Re: Re: Fw: [PAYCO] Economic crisis in South Africa
Please send me your Tel. number. On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 8:12 PM, vusie vu...@telkomsa.net wrote: M'Afrika M'Afrika Vilakazi will be on SAfm tomorrow, please tune in between 09H00 - 10H00 Izwe lethu Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Original Message Subject: Re: Fw: [PAYCO] Economic crisis in South Africa From: Prof. Herbert Vilakazi vilak...@icon.co.za To: vu...@telkomsa.net,productiongem...@yahoo.com,ellis.mnya...@inl.co.za, zola...@gmail.com,zo...@vodamail.co.za,lethiw...@aol.com, bhekumu...@dac.gov.za,joyce.sukum...@dac.gov.za CC: gloria_zw...@yahoo.com,bin...@hotmail.com I shall be on SAfm tomorrow (15/01/2013), 9am-10am, discussing the economic crisis in the country. Vilakazi -- *From: *vu...@telkomsa.net *Sent:*2013-01-13 11:17:39 *To: *vilak...@icon.co.za;productiongem...@yahoo.com *Cc: * *Subject:* Fw: [PAYCO] Economic crisis in South Africa Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- *From: * Sbusiso Xaba ** ** *Sender: * payco@googlegroups.com *Date: *Sun, 13 Jan 2013 10:45:30 +0200 *To: * *ReplyTo: * payco@googlegroups.com *Subject: *Re: [PAYCO] Economic crisis in South Africa Dear Africanists Prof. Vilakazi argues the point of mono-casual path very convincingly. Agricultural revolution revolution being first in initiating a new chain reaction. I like the explanation of modern economics vs. serious economics. Serious economics and economic history being scientific compare to capitalist dogma of the so-called modern economics. I must admit that my conviction (almost dogmatic acceptance) of Co-ops being a optimal model for future socialist enterprise development have shaken a bit by this paper. Prof showed well that Coops in our nation's reinforces capitalist foundation. There is two element that bothers me on rural development, which I acknowledge were not focus of this paper. The first element being that of traditional leadership and traditional authority structures. In building a new society, the Africanist Socialist Democratic society from ashes of feudal society and capitalist (colonial) is the a place for the leadership style? How does Agricultural revolution that is socialist in content deals with rural governance? This is question important because, all serious anti-imperialist struggle are based in rural communities (Zimbabwe - Zanu PF rejected in cities, Cuba - Rebels ideological transformation (growth) on Sierra Meastra experience etc.). When we embark of revolutionary rural development, are we going to sustain these structures that have been surpassed by human development. Are we going to regress to what I view as feudalism? How to we incorporate Nkrumah's criticism of African Socialism as request of going back to communalism to our rural development as part dialectical materialism modelling? Second element is that Professor did not acknowledge the new era of knowledge economy (knowledge revolution). Does knowledge economy exit or just modern economics fallacy? Does it affect the relationship between the people and means of production? Is solution that our party is considering consider post-industrial revolution age (if there is such)? The technology development and technology capability reinforced the argument of rural revolution or back to countryside. Back to Countryside phenomenon is not society regressing. Regards, Sbusiso Xaba On 12 January 2013 19:25, vusie vu...@telkomsa.net wrote: Please find attached paper by Prof Vilakazi Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 Original Message Subject: Re: Re: Commemorating the life of the late Joe Mkhwanazi From: Prof. Herbert Vilakazi vilak...@icon.co.za To: vu...@telkomsa.net CC: MaAfrika Please forward the enclosed paper to Sipho Shabalala as well as to other people wanting a way-forward. Vilakazi * * -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Ezrom Serame Mokgakala -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
Re: [PAYCO] The Late MmAfrika Joe Moabi
Please forward my Family's condolences to the Moabi Family. I always had Joe in high regard. May his soul rest in peace. On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 2:32 AM, Xola tyamza...@yahoo.com wrote: Cde Joe Moabi's, former member of the PAC Central Committee Secretary for Finance in Tanzania, memorial service will be held @ Holy Family Catholic Church in Spruitview on Wed 14th September starting @15:00 and will be laid to rest on Saturday 17th September and the service will be at the same Church from 8:30 - 11:00 am. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Ezrom Serame Mokgakala -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
Re: [PAYCO] Concern
Son of Afrika I salute you. I was surprised when Mayihlome refused to
publish my contribution to the debate about What South Africa Needs
because it was too anti-cpitalist. Please read it yourself as I have
attached it here and would like to know your opinion. Izwe Llethu Son
of Africa!!
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 5:50 AM, Mzu Cabanga mcaba...@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings noblesons and daughters of the land,
Ma Afrika I know I am a nobody in the movement to be asking such questions
but I will ask them anyway.
Do we have a procedure where we monitor what members of the PAC of AZANIA
say or do outside of the movement which compromises the position of the
organisation let alone if the member hails himself as a Pan Afrikanist and a
former member of the APLA.
It leaves a stain on Pan Afrikanism when such veterans go and say GEAR is
the way and Afrikans should be patient.
I mean it then leaves people wondering What is the position of the PAC on
Capitalism, GEAR and all these macro-economic policies.
I do not understand but it seems some issues are not discussed on this
platform which I assume was created for such debates.
What does the PAC of AZANIA do if such things occur?
An example maAfrika with all due respect (if he deserves it) to the veteran
{Cunningham Ngcukana},he was in an electronic debate speaking on behalf of
Mbeki and GEAR infront of people who already think of Pan Afrikanism as a
narrow minded ideology and a joke.
He basically ridiculed Pan Afrikanism in his tone. I do not care if he has
money to support the movement but he is also a disgrace to the movement.
It is poeple like these who are continuously discrediting Pan Afrikanism and
we lose a lot of Afrikans who jump ships because of irresponsible leaders.
I think this kind of behaviour is unacceptable and such people should answer
for this humiliation, if we do not speak about such issues then we are
saying that PAC is no longer relevant and should just die a silent death.
Well to some of us Pan Afrikanism is the only way we can attain true
liberation for Afrikans and we cannot let greedy individuals use it as
ladder to become a white men's dog, use it to scrape the crumbs that the
master sweeps of his table.
Ma-Afrika without discipline, we fail to be Pan Afrikanists.
Izwelethu
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Re: [PAYCO] pictures and article for publication
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Re: [PAYCO]
celebrating hero’s day. Can’t we be pragmatic? Let’s face reality and engage each other, let us dialog on the differences. Some time ago, I refrained from entering the fray between these groupings. I think now I can put my points very clear, let us unite. People ay to us izwe lethu when they greet us, but we say amongst ourselves my enemy when we greet one another. Kind Regards Mduduzi Sibeko 011-724-9298/49 071-101-2595 msib...@randwater.co.za The information contained in this message and or attachments is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any system and destroy any copies. -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com -- Ezrom Serame Mokgakala -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com
Re: [PAYCO] Generosity Through Prosperity
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