Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[Chargein Mabaso]

MAfrika, Good day.

The current political developments in our country at the moment have open a
new opportunity for Pan Africanists to go back to the drawing board and do
some serious introspection. The current voter apathy, poor PAC/PAM
performance  and the politics of coalitions after the recent local
government elections say a lot to any serious-minded political party still
wishing to continue to exist and survive in the current turbulent political
situation in South Africa. We are entering interesting times in the history
of our country. The developments send a clear message to all of us about
the coming National Elections in 2019. We must do something now or forget
about making impact in 2019. We must position ourselves now to be either
the ruling party, or the official opposition, or  a kingmaker in 2019. It
is our chance as a monolithic united party not factions and breakaway
parties. If we are serious enough, we can make it. If not, serious-minded
Pan Africanists should come together and form one voice like the EFF did.
We cannot waste our precious time with nicetime clowns who are paying
lip-service to unity whilst inwardly opposed to it. Let's give them the
last chance up to the end of September 2016 and kiss and say goodbye
to unity talks.Get me right: A united PAC can be an ideal situation. A
united PAC can become the ruling party in 2019. It is possible. It is no
longer a pie in the sky. If PAC unity is not achievable in our lifetime
because of some political turncoats in our midst, it's bad luck. Mafrika,
we must ask ourselves why voters prefer to vote for everyone else (every
Jack and Jill) but not Pan Africanists. They also vote for independents but
not us, WHY? We must answer that question. Other parties are having
sleepless nights positioning themselves strategically for 2019. Pan
Africanists will from now onward be busy fighting each otherin courts of
law  instead of closing ranks and position themselves to occupy the
existing political vacuum in our country. Many of the people who did not
vote do not associate themselves with the current political stream (ANC, DA
and EFF). They have no political home.In the meantime, we are aloof and
divorced from the masses but not PASMA. PASMA is deeply involved is student
politics. The question is: did PASMA vote in the local elections? Which
party they voted for? Remember: I said some PASMA members belong to other
political parties, not necessary to PAC as many people wish us to believe,
unlike PASO we launched in 1989. Comrades, we cannot expect to be voted
into power if we do not lead the masses in their daily struggles where
 they are fighting for their bread and butter issues in their communities
and workplaces through civic movements, trade unions, youth organisations,
etc. We cannot avoid theses questions for too long if we are serious about
wining power. Did NACTU affiliates vote in these elections? Which party
they voted for? Where is Maqhekeni? I only saw him on TV with ANC ministers
Pravin Gordon. Is he still a PAC member like Sdumo of Cosatu is an ANC
member? Something is wrong somewhere? Where is Narius Moloto as NACTU
Secretary General? Is he still a PAC member? Where is NACTU they lead?
Which party NACTU members voted for? These are the difficult questions we
must ask a conference or bosberaad? All these comrades should account if
they are deployed by the Party in NACTU and PASMA. We cannot call them to
account if they are there for themselves. I talk from experience. We were
instructed by Zeph Mothopeng to launch PASO and we accounted to him and to
PAC leadership accordingly for PASO activities, not to ourselves. We were
at one stage instructed to recruit PASO members to join PAC and APLA, and
we did just that. That is why we adopted the slogan, "PASO By Day, APLA By
Night!" What is wrong with PASMA, PAYCO, and NACTU? Where are they
accounting to, to themselves? Hayi khona Something must be done.
.COSATU, ANCYL, SASCO and SANCO are all accounting to the ANC leadership.
If they cannot acount to our Party, we must disband them and launch new
ones. That is it. We cannot have fellow travelers in politics. .

The truth is: We have all failed the Party in one way or another, even for
not asking ourselves the right questions. .


Mafrika, bourgeois mentality of relying on campaigns just few weeks before
elections does not work. I did not work for the past 22 years. When are we
going to learn it? Are we so dumb to learn from our past mistakes? Let's
wake up from the political stupor. other parties are wide awake except
us..PAC grew overnight after the Status and Positive Action Camapains. It
also grew in strength after the launch of AZANYU and PASO. It did not grow
because of posters, TV shows, etc. Mass action is what counts, not mass
demonstration. The chaos caused by EFF in parliament and land grabs is
paying dividends now. It has opted to play opposition role in the coalition
politics so as to continue creating chaos and havoc in 

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi]

PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass
agitation in regard to fees must fall.

Nkrumah

On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga  wrote:

> Good Morning MaAfrika
>
> What happened to PASMA AND ARM?
>
> Regards,
>
> *electronically send no signed - authentic *
>
> Mphiri Masoga
> SACWU
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> C 073 182 2656
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Comrades
>>>
>>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the
>>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and
>>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that
>>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face
>>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has
>>> already started.
>>>
>>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big
>>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge
>>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba
>>> izozala nkomoni?
>>>
>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>
>>> Charge-in Mabaso
>>> Ex- PASO Veteran
>>> 0710203554
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za  wrote:
>>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the
>>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many
>>> other
>>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years.
>>> >
>>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability
>>> to
>>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find
>>> attractive
>>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made
>>> here
>>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for
>>> organisational
>>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s
>>> > direction and success.
>>> >
>>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done
>>> to the
>>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this
>>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on,
>>> herein.
>>> >
>>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President
>>> Letlapa
>>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self
>>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people
>>> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity
>>> to take
>>> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear
>>> mandate, for
>>> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure
>>> proper
>>> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the
>>> time,
>>> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent
>>> place.
>>> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The
>>> list of
>>> > indecision instances is sizeable.
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and
>>> would be
>>> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves.
>>> >
>>> > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and
>>> > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces.
>>> This was
>>> > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the
>>> > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some
>>> league
>>> > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who
>>> led
>>> > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue
>>> is
>>> > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but
>>> > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable,
>>> > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of
>>> 'mitigation'. In
>>> > this instance the party is on a desperate downslide appealing to
>>> mainly the
>>> > few councillor segments most of whom are driven by survivalist
>>> interests.
>>> >
>>> > So having seen all of these, the outcome was always on the cards.
>>> >
>>> > My real issue is what then, and I think we must tread slowly,
>>> carefully and
>>> > robustly drawing from our past experiences.
>>> >
>>> > There is no doubt as there never was, that the Alice concoction was ill
>>> > advised and fatal for the Party. Whatever we do on the leadership
>>> question,
>>> > we must place cadres in charge only once we know fully well what they
>>> stand
>>> > for and what their character make is. It is this aspect we should
>>> engage
>>> > each other accross.
>>> >
>>> > Izwe Lethu iAfrika !
>>> >
>>> > Matome Mashao
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my BlackBerry®
>>> >
>>> > -Original Message-
>>> > From: Tommy ka-Ntando 
>>> > Sender: 

RE: [PAYCO] PAC Solution post court ruling on the 7th Aug 12 - who will win ??

[Nkrumah Kgagudi]

 within the
branches of the PAC including component structures. With or without a high
court ruling, the solution remains within active participation in structures
of the PAC, three years it is nothing , Qwaqwa Congress came and it is gone.
The damage done could have been rectified three years back but because we
have completely lost sense of focus and most comrades have become
ego-centred and subjective, three years became six if nor seven years and
the likelihood for it to be another nine year until 2015 is very high. Such
an additional misfortune like Fort Hare constitutional amendments can repeat
itself again at any coming conference! 

Time demands upon seriously minded comrades to make  sure that PAC should
become outward orientated in its focus and approach, the amount of public
protests keep increasing annually the PAC in the country are looking for an
alternative. Many activists are desperately seeking for a political
formation that can become a reliable vehicle to fight for change and social
transformation, by being active in branches, regions and provincial
structures we can give PAC a revolutionary image it deserve and we believe
it should have in the meantime, and any form of a counter-revolutionary
leadership can be acted upon including removed starting from the upcoming
annual national conferences (2012, or 2013 or 2014) before the 2015 National
Congress. 

Shango lasho!
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
074 922 6361

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mavela Mavela
Sent: 03 August 2012 07:16 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC Solution post court ruling on the 7th Aug 12 - who
will win ??

Greetings Sons and Daughters

Your point is noted with serious concern.

Yes, the court ruling won't actually resolve our problem. We need to unify
both camps and convene a urgent conference to strengthen our positions for
the battles ahead of us.

If Letlapa and his cronies win, we will have to fight him like Aids on its
victim (we have to fight him within his system); and if win we, we have to
try to unify both camps, consolidated gains both camps have and to
galvanized the state of our branches which might have affected by this
confused confusion.

I am for United PAC and I will always Serve, Suffer and Sacrifice for the
Total Liberation of our masses and I will always put PAC first before
individuals.

Izwe Lethu.

Regards
Mavela Agitator


On 8/2/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote:
 I had the privilege of attending court proceedings in the matter of 
 'PAC vs PAC' on the 1st August 2012, in Cape Town while on private 
 business that side of our land. And while sitting there listening to 
 arguments by both sides and the intervening remarks by the Judge I 
 appreciated once more the gravity of our problems, and what in fact is at
stake.

 One question that sprung to mind was who exactly stands to win from 
 the contest. And I asked myself this question having been party to 
 those of our members who resolved that this is ONE of the mechanisms 
 to restore organisational normalcy. In this self probe I came to the 
 conclusion that to start with, the court battle was in fact a battle 
 between PAC members, students, youths, and veterans alike. It was in fact
PAC on PAC violence.
 For the purpose of this write up I will not dwell on who the 
 perpetrator or seed planter of these contests is. I limit my 
 engagement to the point or enquiry pointed out above.

 There was also a positive message to this. It was evident that both 
 sides contest for the protection of the party, whether one concurs or 
 not will always be a matter for analysis and hind-sights. Limiting 
 myself to professions and averments proffered from both sides, the 
 contest is about how best and in what way shall we advance the growth 
 and stability of the party. Viewed from this perspective this is a 
 small but important angle to this case.

 Let's us deal with one more issue: who exactly stands to win from this 
 case ? We must remember that possible outcomes are either the 
 nullification of the Butterworth congress and thus a restart proper of 
 the conference exercise OR confirmation of the Butterworth congress 
 and thus the maintenance of what took place there.

 Should the court rule that the Butterworth congress occured outside 
 the party constitution, a position I hold, then the Qwaqwa NEC must 
 resume work under President Letlapa. The truth is that in between the 
 decree and now so much has happened. And so much has happened that in 
 reality that NEC will ordinarily not be able to work together. In its 
 attempt to work together it may cause more damage to the already 
 wounded organisation. Hypothetically and perhaps legally this will be 
 the implication. I do not trust the ability of the collective to 
 function in the midst of so much that has happened unless such a 
 decision has been the outcome of conference

RE: [PAYCO] PAC Solution post court ruling on the 7th Aug 12 - who will win ??

[Nkrumah Kgagudi]

 expelled after around 2006/7 but they are
keen to return, it is understandable. 

We must swallow our pride and accept (and condemn) the bitter reality that
we were all part of the prevalent ideo-political amorphous state of the PAC.
Constructively, we must undertake the task to rebuild and position the PAC,
forming part (and belonging to branches) and working within the branches,
regions and provincial structures of the PAC including component structures.
With or without a high court ruling irrespective of which way it goes, the
solution remains a political one which is an active participation in
structures of the PAC, from 2012 three years is nothing , Qwaqwa Congress
held in 2006/7 came and it is gone. The damage done could have been
rectified three years back but because we have completely lost our sober
state and senses we also lost focus and some if not most comrades have
become ego-centred and subjective. Many have suffered and sacrificed for
this party, so we should not claimed to have suffered more than others.
Three years after Qwaqwa congress became six if nor seven years and the
likelihood for it to be repeated to become nine year until 2015 is very
high. Such an additional misfortune like Fort Hare constitutional amendments
can repeat itself again at any coming conference! 

Time demands upon seriously minded comrades to make  sure that the PAC
should emerge (rise) and become outward orientated in its political and
organisational focus and approach, the amount of public protests keep
increasing annually the people and activists in the country are looking for
a political alternative. Many activists are desperately seeking for a
political formation that can become a reliable and trustworthy vehicle to
fight for political change and social transformation, by being active in
branches, regions and provincial structures we can give PAC a revolutionary
image it deserves and we believe it should have, in the meantime; And any
form of a counter-revolutionary leadership can be acted uponby well
mobilised and coordinated structures this includes removing a leader deemed
to be a liability starting from the upcoming annual national conferences
(2012, or 2013 or 2014) before the 2015 National Congress. 

Shango lasho!
Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi 
074 922 6361

-Original Message-
From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Mavela Mavela
Sent: 03 August 2012 07:16 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [PAYCO] PAC Solution post court ruling on the 7th Aug 12 - who
will win ??

Greetings Sons and Daughters

Your point is noted with serious concern.

Yes, the court ruling won't actually resolve our problem. We need to unify
both camps and convene a urgent conference to strengthen our positions for
the battles ahead of us.

If Letlapa and his cronies win, we will have to fight him like Aids on its
victim (we have to fight him within his system); and if win we, we have to
try to unify both camps, consolidated gains both camps have and to
galvanized the state of our branches which might have affected by this
confused confusion.

I am for United PAC and I will always Serve, Suffer and Sacrifice for the
Total Liberation of our masses and I will always put PAC first before
individuals.

Izwe Lethu.

Regards
Mavela Agitator


On 8/2/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote:
 I had the privilege of attending court proceedings in the matter of 
 'PAC vs PAC' on the 1st August 2012, in Cape Town while on private 
 business that side of our land. And while sitting there listening to 
 arguments by both sides and the intervening remarks by the Judge I 
 appreciated once more the gravity of our problems, and what in fact is at
stake.

 One question that sprung to mind was who exactly stands to win from 
 the contest. And I asked myself this question having been party to 
 those of our members who resolved that this is ONE of the mechanisms 
 to restore organisational normalcy. In this self probe I came to the 
 conclusion that to start with, the court battle was in fact a battle 
 between PAC members, students, youths, and veterans alike. It was in fact
PAC on PAC violence.
 For the purpose of this write up I will not dwell on who the 
 perpetrator or seed planter of these contests is. I limit my 
 engagement to the point or enquiry pointed out above.

 There was also a positive message to this. It was evident that both 
 sides contest for the protection of the party, whether one concurs or 
 not will always be a matter for analysis and hind-sights. Limiting 
 myself to professions and averments proffered from both sides, the 
 contest is about how best and in what way shall we advance the growth 
 and stability of the party. Viewed from this perspective this is a 
 small but important angle to this case.

 Let's us deal with one more issue: who exactly stands to win from this 
 case ? We must remember that possible outcomes are either the 
 nullification

Re: [PAYCO] PAC Solution post court ruling on the 7th Aug 12 - who will win ??

[Mavela Mavela]

Greetings Sons and Daughters

Your point is noted with serious concern.

Yes, the court ruling won't actually resolve our problem. We need to
unify both camps and convene a urgent conference to strengthen our
positions for the battles ahead of us.

If Letlapa and his cronies win, we will have to fight him like Aids on
its victim (we have to fight him within his system); and if win we, we
have to try to unify both camps, consolidated gains both camps have
and to galvanized the state of our branches which might have affected
by this confused confusion.

I am for United PAC and I will always Serve, Suffer and Sacrifice for
the Total Liberation of our masses and I will always put PAC first
before individuals.

Izwe Lethu.

Regards
Mavela Agitator


On 8/2/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote:
 I had the privilege of attending court proceedings in the matter of 'PAC vs
 PAC' on the 1st August 2012, in Cape Town while on private business that
 side of our land. And while sitting there listening to arguments by both
 sides and the intervening remarks by the Judge I appreciated once more the
 gravity of our problems, and what in fact is at stake.

 One question that sprung to mind was who exactly stands to win from the
 contest. And I asked myself this question having been party to those of our
 members who resolved that this is ONE of the mechanisms to restore
 organisational normalcy. In this self probe I came to the conclusion that to
 start with, the court battle was in fact a battle between PAC members,
 students, youths, and veterans alike. It was in fact PAC on PAC violence.
 For the purpose of this write up I will not dwell on who the perpetrator or
 seed planter of these contests is. I limit my engagement to the point or
 enquiry pointed out above.

 There was also a positive message to this. It was evident that both sides
 contest for the protection of the party, whether one concurs or not will
 always be a matter for analysis and hind-sights. Limiting myself to
 professions and averments proffered from both sides, the contest is about
 how best and in what way shall we advance the growth and stability of the
 party. Viewed from this perspective this is a small but important angle to
 this case.

 Let's us deal with one more issue: who exactly stands to win from this case
 ? We must remember that possible outcomes are either the nullification of
 the Butterworth congress and thus a restart proper of the conference
 exercise OR confirmation of the Butterworth congress and thus the
 maintenance of what took place there.

 Should the court rule that the Butterworth congress occured outside the
 party constitution, a position I hold, then the Qwaqwa NEC must resume work
 under President Letlapa. The truth is that in between the decree and now so
 much has happened. And so much has happened that in reality that NEC will
 ordinarily not be able to work together. In its attempt to work together it
 may cause more damage to the already wounded organisation. Hypothetically
 and perhaps legally this will be the implication. I do not trust the ability
 of the collective to function in the midst of so much that has happened
 unless such a decision has been the outcome of conference by all of us
 members of this party.

 On the other hand let us assume that the court rules that the Butterworth
 congress and all its creation stands. Should this be the case, the pain of
 those who had been opposed and somewhat ostracised from when the decree was
 passed will linger on. I must pause to emphasise this point. These members
 are of significant presence both numerically and by their profile, thus able
 to make it difficult for the party to operate. I opine strongly that we do
 not fall into the dismissive tendency to think that they do not matter. They
 matter and actually matter a lot, for all their lives and some spent their
 youth time in gaol and in the trenches. I urge against simplicity and call
 for deepness of thought. So this also won't be a winner.

 Now I ask again, who exactly stands to win from this ? It is important to
 clarify that none of us ever saw the court option as THE solution, it was
 always part of the solution package. And in fact the need for conference has
 always been principal. Hence I honour the decision of those who directly led
 the court challenge not to stop the congress because that as we had said
 could have offered an opportunity for a conference, not the elect me elect
 me elect me stuff that went on there.
 So back to the question: who exactly wins??

 It is apparent that it is only personal feelings and egos that stand to win.
 The party either way loses and turns poorer.

 And very briefly, any those who suggest that a court option is wrong are
 hugely mistaken and truly mischievous. It is mischief because they offered
 no option to resolve the quaqmire. The court action was never about the
 annihilation of the PAC. To howl around this point without interrogating 

[PAYCO] PAC Solution post court ruling on the 7th Aug 12 - who will win ??

[mmashao]

I had the privilege of attending court proceedings in the matter of 'PAC vs 
PAC' on the 1st August 2012, in Cape Town while on private business that side 
of our land. And while sitting there listening to arguments by both sides and 
the intervening remarks by the Judge I appreciated once more the gravity of our 
problems, and what in fact is at stake.

One question that sprung to mind was who exactly stands to win from the 
contest. And I asked myself this question having been party to those of our 
members who resolved that this is ONE of the mechanisms to restore 
organisational normalcy. In this self probe I came to the conclusion that to 
start with, the court battle was in fact a battle between PAC members, 
students, youths, and veterans alike. It was in fact PAC on PAC violence. For 
the purpose of this write up I will not dwell on who the perpetrator or seed 
planter of these contests is. I limit my engagement to the point or enquiry 
pointed out above. 

There was also a positive message to this. It was evident that both sides 
contest for the protection of the party, whether one concurs or not will always 
be a matter for analysis and hind-sights. Limiting myself to professions and 
averments proffered from both sides, the contest is about how best and in what 
way shall we advance the growth and stability of the party. Viewed from this 
perspective this is a small but important angle to this case.

Let's us deal with one more issue: who exactly stands to win from this case ? 
We must remember that possible outcomes are either the nullification of the 
Butterworth congress and thus a restart proper of the conference exercise OR 
confirmation of the Butterworth congress and thus the maintenance of what took 
place there.

Should the court rule that the Butterworth congress occured outside the party 
constitution, a position I hold, then the Qwaqwa NEC must resume work under 
President Letlapa. The truth is that in between the decree and now so much has 
happened. And so much has happened that in reality that NEC will ordinarily not 
be able to work together. In its attempt to work together it may cause more 
damage to the already wounded organisation. Hypothetically and perhaps legally 
this will be the implication. I do not trust the ability of the collective to 
function in the midst of so much that has happened unless such a decision has 
been the outcome of conference by all of us members of this party.

On the other hand let us assume that the court rules that the Butterworth 
congress and all its creation stands. Should this be the case, the pain of 
those who had been opposed and somewhat ostracised from when the decree was 
passed will linger on. I must pause to emphasise this point. These members are 
of significant presence both numerically and by their profile, thus able to 
make it difficult for the party to operate. I opine strongly that we do not 
fall into the dismissive tendency to think that they do not matter. They matter 
and actually matter a lot, for all their lives and some spent their youth time 
in gaol and in the trenches. I urge against simplicity and call for deepness of 
thought. So this also won't be a winner.

Now I ask again, who exactly stands to win from this ? It is important to 
clarify that none of us ever saw the court option as THE solution, it was 
always part of the solution package. And in fact the need for conference has 
always been principal. Hence I honour the decision of those who directly led 
the court challenge not to stop the congress because that as we had said could 
have offered an opportunity for a conference, not the elect me elect me elect 
me stuff that went on there.
So back to the question: who exactly wins??

It is apparent that it is only personal feelings and egos that stand to win. 
The party either way loses and turns poorer.

And very briefly, any those who suggest that a court option is wrong are hugely 
mistaken and truly mischievous. It is mischief because they offered no option 
to resolve the quaqmire. The court action was never about the annihilation of 
the PAC. To howl around this point without interrogating the content will be 
sad. The option to go for the elect me only legitimised the forum and this was 
the argument before and by the Judge in Cape Town. Anyway enough said on this 
zig zag behaiour by some amongst us. We must just bear in mind too that the 
court will make a ruling based on presentations and not necessarily on what is 
right.

In whatever form that we deem appropriate there is an urgent need for 
conference and I hope that those that have the defacto authority to do so shall 
seize the moment. We must go to this conference and deal with issues that 
continually call on us: define our revolutionary framework and direction in 
present day epoch, and set out a program of action including interrogation on 
who are the best cadres from all socalled sides to lead it on OUR behalf. That 
is why the call for 

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[Chargein Mabaso]

Comrades

Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the
violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and
how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that
always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face
instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has
already started.

Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big
test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge
responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba
izozala nkomoni?

Izwe Lethu!

Charge-in Mabaso
Ex- PASO Veteran
0710203554

On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za mmas...@webmail.co.za wrote:
 The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the
 legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many other
 legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years.

 Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability to
 find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find attractive
 for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made here
 that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for organisational
 viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s
 direction and success.

 And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done to the
 engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this
 ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on, herein.

 In less than six months of office it became evident that President Letlapa
 (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self
 destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people
 PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity to take
 decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear mandate, for
 his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure proper
 accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the time,
 resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent place.
 He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The list of
 indecision instances is sizeable.

 Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and would be
 cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves.

 But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and
 engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces. This was
 very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the
 party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some league
 concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who led
 these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue is
 that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but
 leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable,
 organisational performance must absolve you as some form of 'mitigation'. In
 this instance the party is on a desperate downslide appealing to mainly the
 few councillor segments most of whom are driven by survivalist interests.

 So having seen all of these, the outcome was always on the cards.

 My real issue is what then, and I think we must tread slowly, carefully and
 robustly drawing from our past experiences.

 There is no doubt as there never was, that the Alice concoction was ill
 advised and fatal for the Party. Whatever we do on the leadership question,
 we must place cadres in charge only once we know fully well what they stand
 for and what their character make is. It is this aspect we should engage
 each other accross.

 Izwe Lethu iAfrika !

 Matome Mashao




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 -Original Message-
 From: Tommy ka-Ntando tommykanta...@yahoo.co.uk
 Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 12:44:41
 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com
 Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [PAYCO] Re: [PAC] Gauteng meeting

 Cde Jabu!
 I want to thank
 you for the initiative you took on an endeavour to coordinate PAC in your
 region. Your affords and action are courageous Noble Son and this party
 needs
 people like you.
 However allow
 me to invite all the Regions of Gauteng (Westrand, Joburg, Tshwane,
 Ekhurhuleni
 and Sedibeng Region) to participate in this important deliberation, dialogue
 and
 engagement which will seek to pave a wayward for us. This will also give us
 time to reflect on the outcomes of the December 2011 Pretoria meeting of
 former
 PAYCO, PASMA, AZANYO, PASO and SRC Leaders.
 We also note
 the tremendous work that Dr Pheko and his team have made in ensuring victory
 in
 this regard. Hence we believe that this situation and challenges that the
 party
 is faced with needs a conceited afford from us and ensure that this matter
 is laid
 to rest and total removal of the current PAC Regime. It is true that for the
 total rectification of the current 

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

[AliH]

Cde Chargin

This is an opportunity for you to dismantle PAM and be part of the 
challenge you have pointed out.




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