[PAYCO] Re: RE:
Shocking news! May his soul rest in peace. On 12/09/2016, Mawabo Sijila wrote: > M-Afrika! > Kungosizi ukuvakalisa ngokushiywa kwethu nguCde Lulamile Mdoda, > ngokugwintwa/okanye ukukhuthuzwa, oonongqayi betalipokisi / oonqawayiphuzwa > (amapolisa) basaphanda, ebekwindlela esingise emsebenzini kutshanje. > > Yanga umphefumlo wakhe ungalala ngoxolo. > > Uhambo lwakho ngesiquphe lusothusile Mzangwa, sisaman’ ukukuthundeza, > singabanye nabanye, ngale naleya ngokwezigaba ebesisajonge ukuba > mawuzifikelele njengomntu, njengabakhuluwa bakho nyana wesizwe. > > Izwe lethu iAfrika! > > Mawabo Sijila > > > "All views or opinions expressed in this electronic message and its > attachments are the view of the sender and do not necessarily reflect the > views and opinions of the Western Cape Government (the WCG). No employee of > the WCG is entitled to conclude a binding contract on behalf of the WCG > unless he/she is an accounting officer of the WCG, or his or her authorised > representative. The information contained in this message and its > attachments may be confidential or privileged and is for the use of the > named recipient only, except where the sender specifically states otherwise. > If you are not the intended recipient you may not copy or deliver this > message to anyone." > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP
The party of Sobukwe has been destroyed... On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 8:06:39 AM UTC+2, Nkrumah wrote: > > Izwe lethu > > > > The statement that “*It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is > within the very same group that sent this email*” by Cde Mvakali is 100% > correct, the contents of the letter are disgusting and amount to total > disgrace. No sane PAC member nor a self- respecting PAC leader can support > nor defend such none-sense of a letter, which amounts to some form of a > smear campaign! > > > > Shango lashu > > Nkrumah > > *From:* Mapula Nkoana [mailto:mapulan...@gmail.com ] > *Sent:* 13 October 2014 08:17 PM > *To:* Nkrumah Kgagudi > *Subject:* Fwd: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > > Date: 13 Oct 2014 6:49 PM > Subject: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP > To: "Admin @ Pac" > > Cc: >, >, < > phillip...@yahoo.com >, >, > >, >, > >, >, < > bulan...@gmail.com >, >, < > rammym...@gmail.com >, >, < > takalani...@gmail.com >, "Cape" >, >, >, "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" >, > >, >, > >, >, >, >, >, >, >, >, >, < > isa...@diplomat-global.com >, > > > Izwe lethu. It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is within > the very same group that sent this email. Why stoop so low to issue such > nonsense in Pac letter from the Pac HQ. Instead of sending conference > minutes and resolutions, minutes of nec meetings that we never have since > jesus died, you have a nerve to further to do this? Haai maan Stop this > foolish acts in the name of the Pac. > > Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! > -- > > *From: *justice mvakali > > > *Date: *Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:10:30 +0200 > > *To: *Admin @ Pac> > > *Cc: *>; >; > >; >; > >; >; > >; >; < > bulan...@gmail.com >; >; < > rammym...@gmail.com >; >; < > takalani...@gmail.com >; Cape >; >; >; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele>; > >; >; > >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; >; < > isa...@diplomat-global.com >; > > > *Subject: *Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP > > > > Mnxa why this letter is not signed. You now using party letter for this > nonsense. You wont destroy this party who ever wrote this kak > > On 13 Oct 2014 5:02 PM, "Admin @ Pac" > > wrote: > > Good day > > > > Please find the attached for your attention. > > > > Regards > > PAC of Azania > > Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11 > > Fax : 086 527 0380 > > Email : ad...@pac.org.za > > Website: www.pac.org.za > > > > *A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM* > > > > > -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] RE: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP
Izwe lethu The statement that “It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is within the very same group that sent this email” by Cde Mvakali is 100% correct, the contents of the letter are disgusting and amount to total disgrace. No sane PAC member nor a self- respecting PAC leader can support nor defend such none-sense of a letter, which amounts to some form of a smear campaign! Shango lashu Nkrumah From: Mapula Nkoana [mailto:mapulankoan...@gmail.com] Sent: 13 October 2014 08:17 PM To: Nkrumah Kgagudi Subject: Fwd: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP -- Forwarded message -- From: Date: 13 Oct 2014 6:49 PM Subject: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP To: "Admin @ Pac" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , "Cape" , , , "Mohlomphegi Mphahlele" , , , , , , , , , , , , , Izwe lethu. It is very clear that the most dangerous anti Pac is within the very same group that sent this email. Why stoop so low to issue such nonsense in Pac letter from the Pac HQ. Instead of sending conference minutes and resolutions, minutes of nec meetings that we never have since jesus died, you have a nerve to further to do this? Haai maan Stop this foolish acts in the name of the Pac. Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! _ From: justice mvakali Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 18:10:30 +0200 To: Admin @ Pac Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Cape; ; ; Mohlomphegi Mphahlele; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Subject: Re: MEETING OF ANTI-PAC GROUP Mnxa why this letter is not signed. You now using party letter for this nonsense. You wont destroy this party who ever wrote this kak On 13 Oct 2014 5:02 PM, "Admin @ Pac" wrote: Good day Please find the attached for your attention. Regards PAC of Azania Tel : 011 331 3415/ 14/ 11 Fax : 086 527 0380 Email : ad...@pac.org.za Website: www.pac.org.za A SHORT SAYING OFTEN CONTAINS MUCH WISDOM -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] Re: RE: RE: Making The PAC more relevant
Comrade Mfundisi There is no research undertaken that creates an impression PAC losses election because of the land issue. Cde Phillip has cut and paste Census 2011 household statistics, and Census 2011 says nothing about PAC. Those are Census 2011 are demographics subject to individual intepretation. Peruse those statistics and cite which section argues that PAC lost elections because of the land issue. The people's immediate demands should constitute the basis for mass mobilisation issues such as E-Toll, the impact of Electricity Tarriffs increase, 34 Marikana massacred mineworkers, the dragged to death taxi driver in Daveyton, rape and sexual abuse of women, petrol price increase the list goes on, PAC has been unable to articulate on these basic issue to create political presence. This points to internal functioning and skewed priorities in the party. One does not refute the fact that PAC as a party aspiring to govern should reflect upon itself and its political methods, surely there are matters of principle, there are strategic and tactical issues affecting the people the should articulate coherently for all social groupings and people of all ages without negating its principles and objectives. The immediate demands of the people should be linked to medium and, longterm objectives of the party. The people can't entrust the country to a party ravaged by division and incapable of function normally, hence one argument is Western Cape province as an example ia highly divided and weak organisationally, therefore logic dictates that before one jumps to elections hype unite the party members and build the party such that it can stand the test of time. Suprising the comrade denies the fact that the party is weak and divided, also malfunctioning, this amount to an anology you gave of a person denying his/her HIV/Aids status. Irrespective as to how good is the message, if the carriers lack organisation, coherence and intergrity the masses will not risk their votes. Shango lashu Mr. Raymond Mashilo Kgagudi Cellphone: 0749226361 Email: nrkgag...@gmail.com On 5 Mar 2013 16:29, "Vincent Mfundisi" wrote: Mphahlele It is a pity that nobody understands the need to build a strong PAC. All of us want to engage in library politics of quoting this or that revolutionary as if we are year one students of political studies at varsity. The PAC is bigger than all this rabblerousing on the internet. In fact it is more sophisticated than the nit-picking contained in some of these arguments that one read about in these smses. To me an intellectual of note is not against political statistics because they are a true reflection of what is happening on the ground. To vilify Phillip for reflecting a reality based on research is a bit worrisome. No amount of revolutionary chorus will make the party win any election. It's only through blood, sweat and tears. People do not eat stale revolutionary ideals but fresh bread brought about by fresh ideas. The same goes to party building. The party needs fresh ideas in order for the African masses to listen to us.Anything less than that is disastrous and can only be likened to an AIDS sufferer who is in denial. Rgds Vincent Mfundisi Sabc News Tel: 011-714 6477 Fax: 011-714 6420 Mobile 082 416 6725 E:mail: mfun... -Original Message- From: Mohlomphegi Mphahlele [mailto:mphah...@eskom.co.za] Sent: Tuesday,... -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Pan Africanist Youth Congress" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[PAYCO] Re: RE: PALF 17th FEBRUARY MEETING AND 10th MARCH POLITICAL WORKSHOP
Mafrika Mfundisi, your concern is noted. We are building a database to ensure that we are inclusive and communicate with all party members on PALF matters. We hope future communque will reach you timely. Mr. Raymond Mashilo Kgagudi Cellphone: 0749226361 Email: nrkgag...@gmail.com On 19 Feb 2013 16:35, "Vincent Mfundisi" wrote: > > > > Nkrumah > > I find it strange that I get a report of a meeting that one knows > nothing about. > Our guys must learn to invite people to meetings and not be good in > giving report back about history. > > That is why we do not progress as an entity, we don't learn from our > past and yet we dream of coming to power one day. > > Rgds > > Vincent Mfundisi > Sabc News > Tel: 011-714 6477 Fax: 011-714 6420 > Mobile 082 416 6725 > E:mail: mfundis...@sabc.co.za/vmfund...@gmail.com > -Original Message- > From: Nkrumah Kgagudi [mailto:nrkgag...@gmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2013 12:20 PM > To: 'Johnson Mlambo'; 'Joe Thloloe'; 'Jaki Seroke'; 'Jerry Vakasha'; > 'Ray Johnson'; 'Julian Mohlala'; 'Kindo Makhanda'; 'Khethamabala > Sithole'; 'Advocate K Sizani'; 'Baliwinile Kwankwa'; 'KK Kekana'; 'Kenny > Bafo'; 'Kgomotso Matsebe'; 'Khensani Teffu'; 'King Lebea'; 'Lucky > Khoza'; 'Malusi Kolie'; 'Phillip Kgosana'; 'Raymond Kgagudi'; 'Tommy > Kantando'; 'wiseman mashego'; kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za; > kutie.thondl...@doves.co.za; kub...@telkomsa.net; 'APLAMVA LIMPOMPO'; > 'Gerald Lerobane'; 'L Lekgwathi'; 'Leaga Lesufi'; 'Lehlohonolo Shale'; > 'Lesomepedi Boshego'; 'Letlapa Mphahlele'; 'Lethola Mofokeng'; 'Lucky > Khoza'; 'Letlapa Mphahlele'; 'Lucky Moeketsi'; 'Lumkile August'; > luyand...@gmail.com; 'Simon Moeketsi'; 'Sello Letjala'; > znd...@hotmail.com; 'Puseletso Zwane'; 'Zamikhaya Gxabe'; 'Zandi > Radebe'; 'Zola Mbi'; 'Zukisa Mxesibe'; 'Zuko Camagu'; 'Zuko Hlulani'; > 'Sbusiso Xaba'; 'Tembelani Xundu'; 'Xola Mketi'; 'Xola Tyamzashe'; > 'Xolani Mabanga'; 'Xolani Makwedini'; 'Xolelwa Njamela'; 'Jerry > Vakasha'; 'Mthuthuzeli Vena'; 'SSS Vilakazi'; 'Samuel Marole'; Vincent > Mfundisi; 'Vusi Mahlangu'; 'Vuyiswa Cekwana'; vumilemof...@yahoo.com; > payco@googlegroups.com; Justice Mvakali; mphah...@eskom.co.za; Andiswa > Mjali; azaania...@gmail.com; APLAMVA Eastern Cape; APLAMVA FREE STATE; > APLAMVA LIMPOMPO; APLAMVA MPUMALANGA; APLAMVA NORTHWEST; APLAMVA WESTERN > CAPE; aplamvanatio...@gmail.com; Mlambo PAC; tob...@yahoo.com; > tyamza...@yahoo.com; Tommy ka-Ntando; Joe Thloloe; Jones Ngoetjana; Jaki > Seroke; Tembelani Xundu; Yolisa (PAWO); umhlab...@gmail.com; Ike Mafole; > Malesela Mogashwa; paccapeme...@webmail.co.za; > phumzilenom...@hotmail.co.za; sbusiso.x...@gmail.com; > samuel.zw...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; sditsh...@ymail.com; Advocate K Sizani; > drmotsokoph...@drmotsokopheko.com; digashuma...@gmail.com; > frazer.sm...@webmail.co.za; Fitzroy Ngcukana; Zamikhaya Gxabe; Gerald > Lerobane; jtrimblefam...@hotmail.com; PASMA Gauteng; > khoi.so...@gmail.com; lehlohonolosh...@yahoo.com; zamaiv...@pac.org.za; > Zamikhaya Gxabe; Xola Mketi; ckoms...@yahoo.com; Vusi Mahlangu; Vincent > Mfundisi; Bantu Nduna; nakaphala.ba...@gmail.com; > ntsiemohl...@gmail.com; ntonith...@gmail.com; Andiswa Mjali; > mazonda2...@yahoo.co.uk; montja...@yahoo.com; mapulanko...@gmail.com > Subject: PALF 17th FEBRUARY MEETING AND 10th MARCH POLITICAL WORKSHOP > > Son and Daughters of Africa > > Pan Africanist Labour Forum meeting went well and the debates were > qualitative emanating from the presentations made on the Origin, Purpose > and > Logic of All Africanist Labour Coordinating Committee (AALCOC) to Pan > Africanist Labour Forum (PALF). The meeting resolved to concretise the > discussions by formulating a concept document explaining the purpose and > logic of PALF, and the relationship of PALF with NACTU, COSATU, FEDUSA > and > CONSAWU, and other trade unions including. PALF is a component structure > of > the PAC as per 4.3.6. > Ideas advanced is that PALF should not be become a trade union nor a > federation however through PALF should influence trade unions and its > members to embrace Pan Africanism and PALF members should be active PAC > members and that as PAC we must swell the ranks of all NACTU Trade > unions > and finally take control of NACTU. > > One evident aspect is an observation that Pan Africanism as the party > ideology is understood differently and at times some explanations are > not > only different and divergent; they are furthermore in conflict or are > contradicting the principles of Pan Africanism, therefore this > realisation > led to a conclusion that party ideology is an area that must be > deliberated > and workshopped, we strongly believe that Pan Africanism is not an > extension > of a nationalist bourgeoisie democratic interests and aspirations nor it > is > an intermediate social theoretical construction representing nationalist > bourgeoisie aspirations. > > At the meeting held on Sunday the 17th February 2013, sharp ideological > debates emerged to an
