[PAYCO] 42127gon1409s.pdf

2020-02-10 Thread Mphiri Masoga


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[PAYCO] PAYCO NATIONAL CONGRESS GUIDELINES

2017-11-22 Thread eddie mfulwane
Please receive the attached document for your attention.

Izwe Lethu!!

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*Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie
MfulwaneCell: 079 986 0392.*

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[PAYCO] RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS

2017-11-08 Thread mphirim
Good Day M'Afrika Chidi
Have you signed the petition?


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'Pharmaq' <itumelengkgal...@gmail.com>, 'Poppie Ngema' 
<poppie.ng...@sacwu.org.za>, 'K Maunnatlala' <patric...@ncp.co.za>, 'Ncina 
Malapane' <ncinamalap...@gmail.com>, 'Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe' 
<thooedikel...@gmail.com >, 'michael ponko' <michaelpo...@gmail.com>, 'Pat' 
<patrickmashe...@gmail.com>, tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com, 'Isaac Kekana' 
<isaac.kek...@saint-gobain.com>, 'lesetja lebelo' <lesetja...@gmail.com>, 
'Lesiba Lekgoathi' <lesibajlekgoa...@gmail.com>, 'Tumi Modise 2' 
<generalsecret...@sacwu.org.za>, 'SACWU Felix Matome Makgato' 
<felix.makg...@sacwu.org.za>, 'Senmin Jonas Mtiriri' <jonasmtir...@gmail.com>, 
'Kaizer Obakeng Modise' <kaizer.obakeng.mod...@afrox.linde.com>, 'Fikile 
Radebe' <fik...@sacwu.co.za>, 'Nomsa Ndlovu' <sacwunewcas...@telkomsa.net>, 'Mr 
Andrew Sekwakwa' <andrew.patr...@mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za>, 'CCMA Dan 
Baloyi' <daniel_bal...@yahoo.com>, motsandz...@gmail.com, 'Friend Cynthia 
Mohlabane' <cynthia.mohlab...@gmail.com>, 'Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga' 
<mosimat...@gmail.com>, 'Tshepiso CAC' <rasstsh...@gmail.com>, 
rtamm...@webmail.co.za, 'mbuyiswa mpembe' <mpembembuyi...@gmail.com>, 
apap...@yahoo.com, apa...@webmail.co.za, 'Pac Albert Mokoena' 
<mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, pontsobruc...@gmail.com, zimel...@gmail.com, 'Warra 
Tebogo Masoga Kekana' <tebogomas...@webmail.co.za>, elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za, 
'Phillip Sithole' <phil...@mavhuthela.co.za>, 'Simphiwe Nofuma' 
<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, 'Sbusiso Xaba' <s...@gmail.com>, 'Sbusiso Xaba' 
<sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, 'Meltah Mampuru' <mmampuru8...@ovi.com>, 
motsatsimohale...@gmail.com, tumiman...@yahoo.com, ju...@ceppwawu.org.za, 
'Tecnochem Saki Pete' <isaac.pe...@gmail.com>, 'Matsatsi Sibiya' 
<matsatsi.sib...@sacwu.org.za>, 'Vuvus Maria Phele' <lmaria.ph...@gmail.com>, 
'simon marakalala' <marakalalasi...@gmail.com>, ayandabuthele...@gmail.com, 
'Busisiwe Ntimane' <ntimab...@gmail.com>, 'norman' <nor...@uniquedairy.co.za> 
Subject: RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE 
POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS 
Izwelethu It is our duty to protect APLA members and to pressurise the current 
government which inherited the previous oppressed government decisions to chain 
our own freedom fighters. The struggle should continue. Izwelethu Bosole Chidi 
From: mphirim [mailto:mphi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 08 November 2017 10:21 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; Pharmaq; Poppie Ngema; K Maunnatlala; Ncina 
Malapane; Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe; michael ponko; Pat; 
tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com; Isaac Kekana; lesetja lebelo; Lesiba 
Lekgoathi; Tumi Modise 2; nationalorgani...@sacwu.org.za; SACWU Felix Matome 
Makgato; Senmin Jonas Mtiriri; Kaizer Obakeng Modise; Fikile Radebe; Nomsa 
Ndlovu; Mr Andrew Sekwakwa; CCMA Dan Baloyi; motsandz...@gmail.com; Friend 
Cynthia Mohlabane; Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga; Tshepiso CAC; 
rtamm...@webmail.co.za; mbuyiswa mpembe; apap...@yahoo.com; 
apa...@webmail.co.za; Pac Albert Mokoena; pontsobruc...@gmail.com; 
zimel...@gmail.com; Warra Tebogo Masoga Kekana; elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za; 
Phillip Sithole; Simphiwe Nofuma; Sbusiso Xaba; Sbusiso Xaba; Meltah Mampuru; 
motsatsimohale...@gmail.com; tumiman...@yahoo.com; ju...@ceppwawu.org.za; 
Tecnochem Saki Pete; Matsatsi Sibiya; Vuvus Maria Phele; simon marakalala; 
ayandabuthele...@gmail.com; Busisiwe Ntimane; norman
Subject: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA 
FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS Hey,

I just started the petition "South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : 
RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS" and wanted to see if you could 
help by adding your name.

My goal is to reach 100 signatures and I need more support. You can read more 
and sign the petition here:

http://chn.ge/2iFVPZx

Thanks!
Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga

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[PAYCO] RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS

2017-11-08 Thread mphirim
Good Day MoAfrika Modise
Thank you for your reply.
My appeal is that can we please sign the petition so that it is send to South 
African Government.


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(GMT+02:00) To: 'mphirim' <mphi...@gmail.com>, payco@googlegroups.com, 
'Pharmaq' <itumelengkgal...@gmail.com>, 'Poppie Ngema' 
<poppie.ng...@sacwu.org.za>, 'K Maunnatlala' <patric...@ncp.co.za>, 'Ncina 
Malapane' <ncinamalap...@gmail.com>, 'Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe' 
<thooedikel...@gmail.com >, 'michael ponko' <michaelpo...@gmail.com>, 'Pat' 
<patrickmashe...@gmail.com>, tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com, 'Isaac Kekana' 
<isaac.kek...@saint-gobain.com>, 'lesetja lebelo' <lesetja...@gmail.com>, 
'Lesiba Lekgoathi' <lesibajlekgoa...@gmail.com>, 
nationalorgani...@sacwu.org.za, 'SACWU Felix Matome Makgato' 
<felix.makg...@sacwu.org.za>, 'Senmin Jonas Mtiriri' <jonasmtir...@gmail.com>, 
'Kaizer Obakeng Modise' <kaizer.obakeng.mod...@afrox.linde.com>, 'Fikile 
Radebe' <fik...@sacwu.co.za>, 'Nomsa Ndlovu' <sacwunewcas...@telkomsa.net>, 'Mr 
Andrew Sekwakwa' <andrew.patr...@mobileemail.vodafonesa.co.za>, 'CCMA Dan 
Baloyi' <daniel_bal...@yahoo.com>, motsandz...@gmail.com, 'Friend Cynthia 
Mohlabane' <cynthia.mohlab...@gmail.com>, 'Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga' 
<mosimat...@gmail.com>, 'Tshepiso CAC' <rasstsh...@gmail.com>, 
rtamm...@webmail.co.za, 'mbuyiswa mpembe' <mpembembuyi...@gmail.com>, 
apap...@yahoo.com, apa...@webmail.co.za, 'Pac Albert Mokoena' 
<mokoen...@workmail.co.za>, pontsobruc...@gmail.com, zimel...@gmail.com, 'Warra 
Tebogo Masoga Kekana' <tebogomas...@webmail.co.za>, elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za, 
'Phillip Sithole' <phil...@mavhuthela.co.za>, 'Simphiwe Nofuma' 
<paccapeme...@webmail.co.za>, 'Sbusiso Xaba' <s...@gmail.com>, 'Sbusiso Xaba' 
<sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, 'Meltah Mampuru' <mmampuru8...@ovi.com>, 
motsatsimohale...@gmail.com, tumiman...@yahoo.com, ju...@ceppwawu.org.za, 
'Tecnochem Saki Pete' <isaac.pe...@gmail.com>, 'Matsatsi Sibiya' 
<matsatsi.sib...@sacwu.org.za>, 'Vuvus Maria Phele' <lmaria.ph...@gmail.com>, 
'simon marakalala' <marakalalasi...@gmail.com>, ayandabuthele...@gmail.com, 
'Busisiwe Ntimane' <ntimab...@gmail.com>, 'norman' <nor...@uniquedairy.co.za> 
Subject: RE: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE 
POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS 
Dear Mfrika Mphiri, I fully support the initiative in my personal capacity as 
an indigenous African, a Pan Africanist and registered member of the Pan 
Africanist Congress of Azania (PAC). Land Is Economy! Economy Is 
LandIzwe-Lethu! I-Afrika! Tumediso ModiseGeneral SecretarySouth African 
Chemical Workers Union (SACWU)Tel:   011 8386581Fax: 011 832 2424Cel:   
  072 029 9235 or 072 479 0361Email: generalsecret...@sacwu.org.za From: 
mphirim [mailto:mphi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: 08 November 2017 10:21 AM
To: payco@googlegroups.com; Pharmaq; Poppie Ngema; K Maunnatlala; Ncina 
Malapane; Ms Pac Dikeledi Thooe; michael ponko; Pat; 
tinyikopatrickmalung...@gmail.com; Isaac Kekana; lesetja lebelo; Lesiba 
Lekgoathi; Tumi Modise 2; nationalorgani...@sacwu.org.za; SACWU Felix Matome 
Makgato; Senmin Jonas Mtiriri; Kaizer Obakeng Modise; Fikile Radebe; Nomsa 
Ndlovu; Mr Andrew Sekwakwa; CCMA Dan Baloyi; motsandz...@gmail.com; Friend 
Cynthia Mohlabane; Wife Mosima Tlou Masoga; Tshepiso CAC; 
rtamm...@webmail.co.za; mbuyiswa mpembe; apap...@yahoo.com; 
apa...@webmail.co.za; Pac Albert Mokoena; pontsobruc...@gmail.com; 
zimel...@gmail.com; Warra Tebogo Masoga Kekana; elain.mph...@sacwu.org.za; 
Phillip Sithole; Simphiwe Nofuma; Sbusiso Xaba; Sbusiso Xaba; Meltah Mampuru; 
motsatsimohale...@gmail.com; tumiman...@yahoo.com; ju...@ceppwawu.org.za; 
Tecnochem Saki Pete; Matsatsi Sibiya; Vuvus Maria Phele; simon marakalala; 
ayandabuthele...@gmail.com; Busisiwe Ntimane; norman
Subject: South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA 
FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS Hey,

I just started the petition "South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : 
RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS" and wanted to see if you could 
help by adding your name.

My goal is to reach 100 signatures and I need more support. You can read more 
and sign the petition here:

http://chn.ge/2iFVPZx

Thanks!
Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga

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[PAYCO] South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS

2017-11-08 Thread mphirim
Hey,

I just started the petition "South African Government - DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE : 
RELEASE POQO/APLA FORCES LANGUSHING IN SA JAILS" and wanted to see if you could 
help by adding your name.

My goal is to reach 100 signatures and I need more support. You can read more 
and sign the petition here:

http://chn.ge/2iFVPZx

Thanks!
Mphiri Zimbiri Masoga

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[PAYCO] Re: PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS

2017-11-07 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

Our email dated 31 October 2017 refers titled PAC UNITY AND CONCERNS.

Fellow Comrades, we (namely, the Unity Steering Committee and Facilitating
Committee) are still waiting for your confirmation to attend the 11
November Unity Meeting among other issues is to discuss PAC Unity Special
National Conference as per clause 5.5 of PAC Ga-Matlala Tompi Seleke 2000
National Congress.

May you please indicate to us if you are available to attend the 11
November Unity Meeting.

Regards
Nkrumah Kgagudi
On behalf of Unity Steering Committee

On 31 Oct 2017 17:14, "Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi" <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

Izwe Lethu M'Afrika

Attached find an invitation letter to the PAC unity follow-up meeting and
the 16 July Midrand Unity meeting outcomes. AS USC and FC we are ready to
the December PAC Unity Special Conference, hence this meeting of the 11th
November 2017 is a crucial nodal point for the forward movement
and consolidation of the PAC unification.

We will gladly appreciate your reply in advance for purpose of organising
logistics.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah Kgagudi

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[PAYCO] PAC MEDIA RELEASE

2017-10-10 Thread eddie mfulwane
Please receive this for your attention

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[PAYCO] Forge Principled Unity or Perish!

2017-09-05 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe lethu M'Afrika

As matters stands and also noting the recent reactions/responses, September
2017 will be a critical period for the PAC Unity Program. An inclusive
national unity meeting will take place very soon and 3/4 Provincial Unity
Consultative meetings are scheduled. The question is will PAC members
continue to blame Cde Letlapa or Cde Mpethi or Cde Mbinda as "Presidents"
or members and branches will rise above mediocre and salvage the
disntegrating PAC? Hence, we must ask will there be a revolutionary Pan
Afrikanist party called PAC beyond 2019? If yes, what is that which arouses
that confidence and optimism, if the reply will be NO will you take full
blame and accountability as a PAC member for failing to salvage and rebuild
a revolutionary party called PAC or will you apportioned the collapse of
PAC to others?

Shnago lashu
Nkrumah




















On 26 May 2016 at 10:27, eddie mfulwane <rammymfulw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Cde Apa
>
> I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know
> you are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of
> maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse
> PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be
> busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows.
>
> I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non
> existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND
> THEREFORE NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!*
>
> Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of
> Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to
> submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting.
>
> President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with
> IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still
> lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will
> create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to.
>
>
> Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a
> sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like
> you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation.
>
> *Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016
> Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC
> on 03rd August 2016.*
>
>
> Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire <mvak...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Apa Pooe
>> Sec for Information and Publicity
>> Mobile Number: 083 9402 755
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *RE.Mfulwane*
>
>
>
>
> *Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie
> MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634*
>
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[PAYCO] Fwd: COURT RULING - CLARIFICATION AGAINST MOLOTO'S PERPETUITY OF CONFUSION

2017-08-27 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
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From: Gcobani Katiya <ghkat...@gmail.com>
Date: 27 August 2017 at 11:06
Subject: COURT RULING - CLARIFICATION AGAINST MOLOTO'S PERPETUITY OF
CONFUSION
To: lmbi...@parliament.gov.za, Sbusiso Xaba <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>,
Xolile Ngculu <xngc...@yahoo.com>, Eddie Mfulwane <rammymfulw...@gmail.com>,
tina.mol...@sacwu.org.za, Mike Trompies <mtrom...@gmail.com>, Fikiswa
Ntshwanti <fikis...@gmail.com>, Mbulelo Raymond <mrfihl...@gmail.com>,
"Maqhekeni, Joseph (JM)" <joseph.maqhek...@sasol.com>


Fellow africanist. We feel it is necessary to clear the
deliberate perpertuity of confussion that is made by Moloto.
  First, Moloto lost his case with costs to be paid in person.
In person refers to Moloto who has made the urgent application to court.
  Even though in his papers he sited the PAC as an
applicant, the court could easily identify him as the cause of action.
The leadership of the PAC made application to intervene to the
proceedings and was granted. The reason for the leadership having to
consider joining is based on the fact that the name of the PAC had to be
defended. So it is correct to say that the leadership had to defend the
PAC.   Moloto's case was challenged both on merit of the evidence he
produced in court and on law that governs parliamentary processes and
funds. He failed absimally to prove to court that
he is an accounting officer and or a leader of a party to sign a
declaratory order for parliament to release constituency allowances.
Parliament based its defense on common law of ESTOPEL, the Public finance
management act(PFMA) and on parliamentary rules for constituency
allowances. PAC leadership based its argument on
the basis of letters that it wrote to parliament informing them about the
suspension of Moloto. These letters included the letter from Deputy
president and a letter from Secretary for legal affairs.
  The position now as it stands is that Moloto is ESTOPED from continuing
accessing constituency allowances as he is not a party accounting officer
and or a leader. We will see if he can succeed in changelling the law.
 Izwe lethu. G.H. Katiya.
   Acting SG

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[PAYCO] Re: Brother Bankie F. Bankie is no more

2017-08-13 Thread BabaBuntu
*I struggle to accept the departing of our Brother Bankie F. Bankie..*

I have rarely met, learned from and actively interacted with someone as
practical as Elder Bankie F Bankie. His absolutism about Pan-Afrikan
progress, ideological accuracy and revolutionary commitment was not only
reflected in his speech and writing, but in every pore of his life. He was
a huge provocation and upsetment to anyone who adores talking nonsense,
pretending to be an activist and falsely projecting Afrikan progress.

His undying commitment to Afrikan Youth was unquestionable and a HUGE
challenge to "arrogant Pan-Africademics" who like to put youth at the back
and reserve frontseats for themselves only. To Brother Bankie, young
Afrikans belonged in front. Always. Also, his awakened analysis and
positioning himself as a recurring alarm-system for Arab-led enslavement,
anti-Black terrorism and Arabization was important beyond what many lenient
Afrikans could comprehend.
Many experienced his "rough" and non-negotiable stubbornness, but if you
took time to study where that came from, the source was his impatience with
our collective non-progress. Brother Bankie had no time for chatting,
chilling and celebrating. His stance was no-rest, no-sleep, no-fear.

His passing is a HUGE loss to Afrikan Progress. Warrior Bankie was a Ph"DO"
(rather than a PhD) - an ultra-practical Pan-Afrikanist, having
completely internalised the struggle and living an Afrikan urgency day and
night.

On behalf of eBukhosini Solutions in Johannesburg, myself and all entities
I have engaged closely with him through, we want to say RISE IN POWER to
our departed Brother, Elder, Father, Friend and Progressive Force. May his
spirit continue to live through those of us who are still fearless,
faithful and militant in our dedication to Afrikan Freedom.

May his Ancestral Soul visit us relentlessly, trouble us, wake us up,
challenge us, irritate us and PUSH us as hard as necessary - to continue
the work that must be done. By ANY means necessary.

Peaceful Journey, Beloved Brother and Friend.
The struggle does - INDEED - continue.
Your life was not in vain.
We'll take it from here.

Ase'

Baba Buntu
Executive Director
eBukhosini Solutions



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[PAYCO]

2017-07-15 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
Dear Africanists

In the next few weeks, I will be sharing Presidential Report that were
presented to the previous NEC meetings. The aim is get alignment among PAC
structures in our endeavor to implement Mhlanga Resolutions, #Vision2024.

We need PAC structures to discuss politics rather than discussing
personalities.

Revolutionary regards,

Sbusiso Xaba
PAC Deputy President

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[PAYCO] You have received a YouTube video!

2017-06-06 Thread mphirim
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[PAYCO]

2017-04-27 Thread mphirim
Good Evening Ma Afrika
Please share 
NB: Picking Points for Cde Phillip Kgosana's Funeral Around Gauteng

City of Ekurhuleni 
Tembisa (Tembi Mall) Cell: 0765306408
Duduza Taxi Rank (Jacob 0769878110)
Kwa-thema( Sipho 0833361474)
Tsakane Faranani Hall (Goodman 0732141575)
Daveyton Mall (Stanley 0839262213)

Natalspruit hospital(Thabo 0728760926)

City of Johannesburg 
Lakeside Nhlapo Butchery  (Lanarkshire 0642917221)
Orange Farm Rank (Thakasile 0825841876)
Soweto Merafi north station/meadowpoint/Ghandi square (Goitsemang 
0727917722/Mabe 0741831166)
Ivory park (ParkengJeff 0767578149)

City Of Tshwane 
Hammanskral(Masoga 0731822656)
 SOSHA TRANSFER(Ninja 0723013873)
Winterveldt (Lesetja 0824800854)
Atteridgeville (Ngoatjane 0827619690)
Garankuwa And Mamelodi (Lesetja 0824800854)
Tut south campus (Majaz 0712257915)

West Rand 
Sonap Kagiso (Vincent 0766835841/Buti 0734379775)
SEDIBENG REGION
Sharpville Monument( Poppie 0795399259)
Sebokeng (Maggie 0624473833)
Evaton (Malindi 0825077314)

Issued by Tumelo Kgole CEll 0765306408/0618173781
Tshwane Region
Revolutionary greetings  Sons and Daughters of Afrika Busses to the resting 
place of POQO P. A Kgosana tomorrow will be coordinated by the following 
Africanists Soshanguve Ninja Mokhureng Mothapo 0723013873, Winterveld Kubayi 
0762279880, Att/ville Police Station Moshate 0738923345, H/skraal Masoga 
0731822656, TUT Majaz 0712257915, Garankua  Thabo nkwe 0786982646  Mamelodi 
Taukobong 0769647556.
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[PAYCO] Fwd: Tambai Moyo Book

2017-03-16 Thread mphirim




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<mphi...@gmail.com>, Tshepiso CAC <rasstsh...@gmail.com>, Tshepi Tapala CAC 
<tapalatshep...@gmail.com> Subject: Tambai Moyo Book 
Dead Aid: Why Aid Is Not Working and How There Is a Better Way for Africa 
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[PAYCO] “XENOPHOBIA IN SA” - A Brief Attempt to Explain What is Going on in South Afrika at the Moment

2017-02-28 Thread BabaBuntu
towering above us.



I hope this gives a bit of a picture of what is happening to those who are
outside the country.



The struggle continues!



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*Baba Buntu is a Pan-Afrikan activist-scholar and community-teacher hailing
from Anguilla. Went to Azania/SA first in 1993 and repatriated permanently
in 2000 - now living and operating the company eBukhosini Solutions in
Johannesburg.*






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Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message

2017-01-23 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
0749226361

On 20 Jan 2017 07:40, "'tembelani xundu' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress"
<payco@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me
> 0741531525/0731531525
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni <
> sipho.samang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the
> members to remain focus to the cause and when the moment arrive we must be
> in the perfect balance and correct our mistakes.Our first port of call is
> to go to the masses and assume responsibilities which are overlooked by
> those at helm of this tree that is rooted from the african soil.2 we need
> to orbserve our calander.3 inclusive congress
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> M'Afrika Maoka
>
> The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and
> forging principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some
> perceive as PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion.
>
> All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should
> be organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up
> aiming to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist
> manifesto.
>
> All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete
> their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and
> component structures.
>
> All component structures should be operate within their respective
> constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi
> Seleke Congress
>
> Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white
> supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every
> PAC member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the
> crystal political mandates.
>
> 2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this
> objective.
>
> Shango lashu
> Nkrumah Kgagudi
>
> On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka" <richardma...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Kindly receive the attached
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Maoka RN
>
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Re: [PAYCO] Re: Festive Message

2017-01-19 Thread 'tembelani xundu' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Can I get your number Poqo. You can sms it or whatsupp it to me 
0741531525/0731531525
 

On Thursday, January 5, 2017 2:26 PM, sipho mnguni 
<sipho.samang...@gmail.com> wrote:
 

 people will come and go but the PAC will remain.therefore i urge the members 
to remain focus to the cause and when the moment arrive we must be in the 
perfect balance and correct our mistakes.Our first port of call is to go to the 
masses and assume responsibilities which are overlooked by those at helm of 
this tree that is rooted from the african soil.2 we need to orbserve our 
calander.3 inclusive congress 
On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> 
wrote:

M'Afrika Maoka
The path to rebuild the PAC is depended on defactionalising the PAC and forging 
principled unity, this is the only logical path to arrest what some perceive as 
PAC disintegration and thrown into political oblivion. 
All members inclusive interbranch regional and Provincial meetings should be 
organised on regular basis to defactionalise the PAC from the bottom up aiming 
to forge principled unity and implement the 1959 Africanist manifesto.
All public representatives should not be replaced and they should complete 
their terms and encouraged to work with all PAC members and branches and 
component structures. 
All component structures should be operate within their respective 
constitutions and abide by PAC Constitution adaoptedin GaMatlala Tompi Seleke 
Congress 
Moving forward, Unite and Rally the Afrikans masses to overthrow white 
supremacy and capitalism stands as a fundamental daunting task for every PAC 
member to action 24 hours and 7 days. 1959 Afrikanist Manifesto is the crystal 
political mandates.  
2019 PAC must Govern only a united revolutionary PAC can realise this objective.
Shango lashuNkrumah Kgagudi

On 23 Dec 2016 06:25, "Richard Maoka" <richardma...@yahoo.com> wrote:

 
Kindly receive the attached
Kind Regards
Maoka RN

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[PAYCO] Fwd: SABC Digital News just uploaded a video

2017-01-15 Thread mphirim




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YouTube <nore...@youtube.com> Date: 2017/01/15  08:04  (GMT+02:00) To: Mphiri 
Masoga <mphi...@gmail.com> Subject: SABC Digital News just uploaded a video 

SABC Digital News has uploaded Tlokwe Sehume on his cultural masterpiece "The 
Village Square" Tlokwe Sehume has dedicated...

























 
 
   
     
       
     
     
     
   
 




SABC Digital News has uploaded Tlokwe Sehume on his cultural masterpiece "The 
Village Square"
































Tlokwe Sehume on his cultural masterpiece "The Village Square"
























SABC Digital News


















Tlokwe Sehume has dedicated a significant portion of his life researching, 
understanding, practicing, teaching and challenging society's take on 
INDIGINOUS MUSIC. Those who know him always and without a shadow of doubt 
attest to how Sehume takes our culture, tradition and heritage way too 
seriously to take short-cut to popularity or an uninformed following. Best 
among his musical achievements is a project titled Medu-Nakeng which assembled 
a never seen or heard before ensemble that reflected the depth and wealth this 
country possess in ethnic or indiginous music. His latest work is a show called 
The Village Square and it focuses on language and music using among other 
things - praise poetry, indiginous African classical instrument and forgotten 
languages like Xun. The show will be on at the Market Theatre in Newtown, 
Johannesburg between the 19th and the 22nd of this month. 


For more news, visit: http://www.sabc.co.za/news
































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[PAYCO] Fwd: [SelfHelpNews] Fwd: This Week on 'Africa On The Move - 'The Powerful & Rich Take...While U.S. Wars in Africa Intensify''

2017-01-14 Thread mphirim




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- 'The Powerful & Rich Take...While U.S. Wars in Africa Intensify'' 

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Listen to 'This Week on Africa On the Move' as we discussed the following 
topics/events: 'The Powerful & Rich Takes...,'  'U.S. Law Enforcement Agencies 
Terrorized African Women,' 'Elite U.S. Troops In Africa - Why?  - 
'Neo-Colonialism in Africa Today1; and more...Click on link to listen:



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[PAYCO] Re: Fwd: Paper of Zeph Mothopeng

2016-10-28 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
'The history of mankind is the history of liberation of mankind.' Muzwake
Lembede

On 29 Oct 2016 7:11 AM, wrote:

> 'The history of mankind is the history of liberation of mankind.' Muzwake
> Lembede
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "Sbusiso Xaba" <x...@thebusinessarchitecture.com>
> Date: 29 Oct 2016 12:05 AM
> Subject: Fwd: Paper of Zeph Mothopeng
> To: "sbusiso.xaba" <sbusiso.x...@gmail.com>, "Xolani Ngculu" <
> xngc...@yahoo.com>, <letsab...@gmail.com>, <rmalul...@rmattorneyssa.co.za>
> Cc:
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: "MmamoAfrika MoAfrika" <pureafri...@gmail.com>
> Date: 28 Oct 2016 7:35 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Paper of Zeph Mothopng
> To:
> Cc:
>
> Shango Lashu!  Attached hereto kindly find Prof Sipho Shabalala's Speech.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PAYCO] Invitation: MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN (a Pan-Afrikan "initiation" for Brothers)

2016-09-16 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe lethu! Brother Buntu

On 16 Sep 2016 09:13, "BabaBuntu" <bu...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za> wrote:

> *M'Afrika,*
>
> eBukhosini Solutions is inviting all Afrikan Brothers to
>
> *MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN*
>
> *1st October (all day)*
>
> *Johannesburg, Gauteng*
>
>
> See FB link here: https://web.facebook.com/events/1154566634600248/
>
>
>
> MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN: A Day To Remember!
>
>
>
> Saturday 1 October 2016 (all day)
>
> Information: Pitsi Ragophala 074 690 4012, pi...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
>
>
> SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA invites to an all-day session for Afrikan Men
> (18+) on Black Male Self Development, sexuality, reproduction, marriage and
> relationships from a Pan-Afrikan Male perspective. Basically, there are no
> taboos!
>
>
>
> MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN takes place outside in nature, is based on
> Afrikan-Centred views and is for Afrikan Men who seek to understand
> themselves and how to build a powerful relationship with an Afrikan woman
> and stay devoted to the empowerment of Afrikan Families/Communities. The
> session is coordinated by Warrior Men from SHABAKA - MEN OF AFRIKA.
>
>
>
> If you are interested, send your email address, name and age – and you
> will receive a personal invitation with more details. Note that the session
> is informed by Pan-Afrikan cultural philosophy and practice, but not linked
> to any religious or political institution. It is suitable for ALL Black men
> of all age groups, over 18 years, who are open to Pan-Afrikan ideas.
>
>
> Izwe Lethu iAfrika!
>
>
> i...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
> SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA / eBukhosini Solutions
>
> www.ebukhosinisolutions.co.za
>
>
>
> --
> Afrikan Salutations, BABA BUNTU
> Executive Director
> Johannesburg
>
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[PAYCO] Invitation: MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN (a Pan-Afrikan "initiation" for Brothers)

2016-09-16 Thread BabaBuntu
*M'Afrika,*

eBukhosini Solutions is inviting all Afrikan Brothers to

*MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN*

*1st October (all day)*

*Johannesburg, Gauteng*


See FB link here: https://web.facebook.com/events/1154566634600248/



MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN: A Day To Remember!



Saturday 1 October 2016 (all day)

Information: Pitsi Ragophala 074 690 4012, pi...@ebukhosinisolutions.co.za



SHABAKA – MEN OF AFRIKA invites to an all-day session for Afrikan Men (18+)
on Black Male Self Development, sexuality, reproduction, marriage and
relationships from a Pan-Afrikan Male perspective. Basically, there are no
taboos!



MEN ON THE MOUNTAIN takes place outside in nature, is based on
Afrikan-Centred views and is for Afrikan Men who seek to understand
themselves and how to build a powerful relationship with an Afrikan woman
and stay devoted to the empowerment of Afrikan Families/Communities. The
session is coordinated by Warrior Men from SHABAKA - MEN OF AFRIKA.



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[PAYCO] Fwd: PAC Research

2016-09-15 Thread Sbusiso Xaba
This research can be highly usefully to the PAC. May please assist the
researcher.

'The history of mankind is the history of liberation of mankind.' Muzwake
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Date: 15 Sep 2016 2:34 AM
Subject: PAC Research
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Dear sir
>
> my name is Mindy Nxele, I am an honours student doing research in
> politics. I have chosen a topic on the  PAC elections since 1994 until the
> 2016 municipal elections. I would like to ask you to assist me in this
> research by answering some questions. Attached please find a copy of the
> questionnaire.
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> Regards
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Re: [PAYCO] APLA IMBIZO

2016-09-15 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
APLA National Imbizo

The APLA National Imbizo will be held on:

Date: 01 October 2016
Place: Bloemfontein
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you make bookings in Bloemfontein Central, not far from Mimosa Mall.

This is a call to all former APLA forces to come reminisce and where
practical see how best can we help each other going forward.

For more details contact Ntsiki Kungwayo aka Nosipho Gaca @ 082 224 1686
during working hours or send an email to ntsikikungw...@gmail.com

Please share

On 14 Sep 2016 18:54, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Meeting is where issues are discussed and resolved.
>
> The point still stands. There are two PAC NEC structures by default as we
> speak. we cannot deny that. They are product of PAC "conference"  whether
> the status of those conferences is debatable, or not. That is the reason
> parliament through IEC accepted Mphahlele as the PAC President by default.
> Parliament later recognized Mphethi and later Mbinda as PAC President based
> on court rulings. Whether such decisions were right or wrong is another
> issue all together. Courts give structures legality, not legitimate. There
> is difference legality and legitimacy. It is only conferences / congresses
> that give legitimacy to party structures elected constitutionally (in line
> with the PAC Constitution).
>
> The top-down approach is different from the approach I proposed. It works
> outside the PAC Constitution, not in line with the PAC Constitution. My
> proposal is the three structures should be engaged to get their buy-in to
> convene congress jointly. If Mbinda's faction pulls out of the talks but
> all other PAC structures (including its component structures eg, APLAMVA,
> PAYCO and PASMA) agree to  continue with the talks and convening of the PAC
> Special Conference, the conference can continue. Majority rules even in
> political parties. PAC belongs to all PAC members, not to Mbinda faction
> only. PAC cannot be left to the mercy of one individual or one faction /
> group.
>
> On the issue of attending ongoing unity conferences or meetings at
> provincial and regional levels, I cannot attend them. There is no PAM
> decision mandated me to attend such meetings. As a principled, loyal PAM
> member  I can only attend meetings outside of PAM if I am mandated to do so
> by PAM to represent it in those conferences / meetings, not myself.
> Currently, there are PAM members mandated to attend unity talks on behalf
> of PAM, not me. PAM made the decision consciously.
>
> My input in this payco group to unity talks' approaches is personal. It is
> not the official PAM position. it is just an advice to comrades to look at
> a big picture when dealing with the unity talks. I have the right to do so
> especially that I am not in the PAM NEC /PEC/REC/BEC at the moment. I just
> know that PAM has no precondition to unity talks or attendance of unity
> meetings / conferences at the moment.
>
> Izwe Lethu!
>
>
>
>
>
> On 14 September 2016 at 18:01, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Cde Chargein
>>
>> Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments
>> hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court
>> ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC,
>> the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers
>> Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters,
>> elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed.
>>
>> If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an
>> illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional
>> roles.
>>
>> If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach
>> of a Joint Committee then what? This  once again becomes an issue for PAC
>> members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity.
>> Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating
>> Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same
>> unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership
>> faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM
>> delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call.
>>
>> Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and
>> frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity.
>>
>> Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the
>> programme to forge pr

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah

Meeting is where issues are discussed and resolved.

The point still stands. There are two PAC NEC structures by default as we
speak. we cannot deny that. They are product of PAC "conference"  whether
the status of those conferences is debatable, or not. That is the reason
parliament through IEC accepted Mphahlele as the PAC President by default.
Parliament later recognized Mphethi and later Mbinda as PAC President based
on court rulings. Whether such decisions were right or wrong is another
issue all together. Courts give structures legality, not legitimate. There
is difference legality and legitimacy. It is only conferences / congresses
that give legitimacy to party structures elected constitutionally (in line
with the PAC Constitution).

The top-down approach is different from the approach I proposed. It works
outside the PAC Constitution, not in line with the PAC Constitution. My
proposal is the three structures should be engaged to get their buy-in to
convene congress jointly. If Mbinda's faction pulls out of the talks but
all other PAC structures (including its component structures eg, APLAMVA,
PAYCO and PASMA) agree to  continue with the talks and convening of the PAC
Special Conference, the conference can continue. Majority rules even in
political parties. PAC belongs to all PAC members, not to Mbinda faction
only. PAC cannot be left to the mercy of one individual or one faction /
group.

On the issue of attending ongoing unity conferences or meetings at
provincial and regional levels, I cannot attend them. There is no PAM
decision mandated me to attend such meetings. As a principled, loyal PAM
member  I can only attend meetings outside of PAM if I am mandated to do so
by PAM to represent it in those conferences / meetings, not myself.
Currently, there are PAM members mandated to attend unity talks on behalf
of PAM, not me. PAM made the decision consciously.

My input in this payco group to unity talks' approaches is personal. It is
not the official PAM position. it is just an advice to comrades to look at
a big picture when dealing with the unity talks. I have the right to do so
especially that I am not in the PAM NEC /PEC/REC/BEC at the moment. I just
know that PAM has no precondition to unity talks or attendance of unity
meetings / conferences at the moment.

Izwe Lethu!





On 14 September 2016 at 18:01, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Cde Chargein
>
> Best we meet and discuss these approaches, some parts of your arguments
> hold other have their own defects and self contradictory. And, no court
> ruled in favour of Mbinda-Moloto as legitimate national leadership of PAC,
> the same applies to the parallel Letlapa's NEC. The latest judgement refers
> Mbinda-Moloto NEC as a line of communication for or on IEC related matters,
> elections had passed consequently their elections role has lapsed.
>
> If both parallel NECs are illegitimate as per PAC Constitution then an
> illegitimate structure can't be entrusted pursue legitimate constitutional
> roles.
>
> If Mbinda-Moloto NECs and Letlapa's NEC reject a reconciliatory approach
> of a Joint Committee then what? This  once again becomes an issue for PAC
> members to explore sustainable alternative paths to forge principled unity.
> Remember what you are proposing was tried and done by Unity Coordinating
> Committee led by Joe Thloloe, Dinners and other party Veterans the same
> unity process is at suspense as we speak because Mbinda-Moloto leadership
> faction rejected the same unity approach you proposing. While PAM
> delegation and Letlapa's NEC leadership faction accepted the unity call.
>
> Lastly let's not raise leadership factions to be demigods to arrest and
> frustrate the unity of PAC with impunity.
>
> Party Membership must close ranks with party Veterans and pursue the
> programme to forge principled unity of the PAC;, PAM and any leadership
> faction which embraces this call of principled party Unity must also close
> ranks and march ahead.
>
> Shango lashu
>
> Nkrumah
>
> On 14 Sep 2016 17:30, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The problem is: How do you dissolve the two contested PAC NEC structures
>> not in a conference / congress, the highest decision-making bodies of the
>> Party, as per the PAC Constitution? How do you convene the properly
>> constituted PAC National Conference / Congress in line with the PAC
>> Constitution? Which clause (s) in the PAC Constitution will be followed to
>> establish the new structure constitutionally and also have the powers to
>> convene the PAC National Conference or Congress in line with the PAC
>> Constitution? According to the PAC Constitution, it is only the PAC NEC has
>> powers to convene the PAC National Conference / Congress, not other

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
rincipled
>>>>>> unity of
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of
>>>>>> party
>>>>>> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent
>>>>>> programmatic
>>>>>> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements
>>>>>> of the
>>>>>> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the
>>>>>> >> > problem
>>>>>> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a
>>>>>> solution.
>>>>>> >> > These
>>>>>> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems,
>>>>>> which then
>>>>>> >> in
>>>>>> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete
>>>>>> top-level
>>>>>> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model,
>>>>>> by
>>>>>> >> > which
>>>>>> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
>>>>>> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> >> > the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a
>>>>>> decision to
>>>>>> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of
>>>>>> >> > activists,
>>>>>> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a
>>>>>> "bottom-up"
>>>>>> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an
>>>>>> incremental
>>>>>> >> > change
>>>>>> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and
>>>>>> upheld
>>>>>> >> > primarily by members.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized
>>>>>> soon." Two
>>>>>> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if
>>>>>> members
>>>>>> >> per
>>>>>> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an
>>>>>> inclusive
>>>>>> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to
>>>>>> >> > denounce
>>>>>> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> >> catalyse
>>>>>> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the
>>>>>> following
>>>>>> >> > bottom
>>>>>> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa
>>>>>> leaderships to
>>>>>> >> an
>>>>>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank
>>>>>> discussions on
>>>>>> >> the
>>>>>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
>>>>>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg
>>>>>> Region,
>>>>>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around
>>>>>> >> > principles
>>>>>> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce
>>>>>> factionalism
>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies,
>>>>>> meetings,
>>>>>> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have
>>>>>> started
>>>>>> >> > working together and are encouraged t

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Chargein Mabaso
gt;> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an
>>>> >> > unity
>>>> >> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48
>>>> hours)
>>>> >> and
>>>> >> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may
>>>> lack
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly
>>>> >> elitist
>>>> >> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates
>>>> can
>>>> >> > attend the conference .
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the
>>>> >> necessity
>>>> >> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches  and regional
>>>> levels as
>>>> >> > a
>>>> >> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled
>>>> unity of
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of
>>>> party
>>>> >> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent
>>>> programmatic
>>>> >> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of
>>>> the
>>>> >> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the
>>>> >> > problem
>>>> >> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution.
>>>> >> > These
>>>> >> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which
>>>> then
>>>> >> in
>>>> >> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete
>>>> top-level
>>>> >> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by
>>>> >> > which
>>>> >> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
>>>> >> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works
>>>> from
>>>> >> > the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of
>>>> people
>>>> >> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a
>>>> decision to
>>>> >> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of
>>>> >> > activists,
>>>> >> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a
>>>> "bottom-up"
>>>> >> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental
>>>> >> > change
>>>> >> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld
>>>> >> > primarily by members.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in
>>>> one
>>>> >> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon."
>>>> Two
>>>> >> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if
>>>> members
>>>> >> per
>>>> >> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an
>>>> inclusive
>>>> >> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by
>>>> what
>>>> >> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to
>>>> >> > denounce
>>>> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will
>>>> >> catalyse
>>>> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following
>>>> >> > bottom
>>>> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa
>>>> leaderships to
>>>> >> an
>>>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank
>>>> discussions on
>>>> >> the
>>>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
>>>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg
>>>> Region,
>>>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around
>>>> >> > principles
>>>> >> > which defines P

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-14 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa
>>> leaderships to
>>> >> an
>>> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank
>>> discussions on
>>> >> the
>>> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
>>> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region,
>>> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around
>>> >> > principles
>>> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce
>>> factionalism
>>> >> > and
>>> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings,
>>> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started
>>> >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive
>>> >> > branch
>>> >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are
>>> encouraged to
>>> >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC
>>> branch.
>>> >> We
>>> >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild
>>> >> > party
>>> >> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should
>>> >> > propagate
>>> >> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC.
>>> Regular
>>> >> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many
>>> >> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party
>>> >> (re)building
>>> >> > programme.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem
>>> solving.]
>>> >> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity
>>> Consultative
>>> >> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action.
>>> >> What's
>>> >> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged
>>> >> > principled
>>> >> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor
>>> >> progress
>>> >> > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial
>>> >> level
>>> >> > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level.  Finally
>>> >> > organisationally we aim at a set of i
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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
ously resolves to
> >> > denounce
> >> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will
> >> catalyse
> >> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following
> >> > bottom
> >> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships
> to
> >> an
> >> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions
> on
> >> the
> >> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
> >> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region,
> >> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around
> >> > principles
> >> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism
> >> > and
> >> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings,
> >> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started
> >> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive
> >> > branch
> >> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged
> to
> >> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC
> branch.
> >> We
> >> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild
> >> > party
> >> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should
> >> > propagate
> >> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC.  Regular
> >> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many
> >> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party
> >> (re)building
> >> > programme.
> >> >
> >> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.]
> >> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative
> >> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action.
> >> What's
> >> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged
> >> > principled
> >> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor
> >> progress
> >> > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial
> >> level
> >> > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level.  Finally
> >> > organisationally we aim at a set of i
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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
d rallies, meetings,
>> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started
>> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive
>> > branch
>> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to
>> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch.
>> We
>> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild
>> > party
>> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should
>> > propagate
>> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC.  Regular
>> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many
>> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party
>> (re)building
>> > programme.
>> >
>> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.]
>> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative
>> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action.
>> What's
>> > fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged
>> > principled
>> > unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor
>> progress
>> > to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial
>> level
>> > meaning from branch to regional to provincial level.  Finally
>> > organisationally we aim at a set of i
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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Chargein

Point taken, then what's your proposal to defactionalise and forge
principled unity?

Regards
Nkrumah

On 13 Sep 2016 13:34, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Comrade Nkrumah
>
> Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach.
>
> The explanation you gave do not assist
>
>
> On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Cde Chargin
> >
> > I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach,
> >
> > Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity
> > conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours)
> and
> > also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may lack a
> > mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly
> elitist
> > since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can
> > attend the conference .
> >
> > But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the
> necessity
> > to defactionalise and forge unity from branches  and regional levels as a
> > priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity of
> the
> > PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party
> > unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic
> > approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the
> > system are first specified in great detail by members define the problem
> > and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. These
> > elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which then
> in
> > turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level
> > system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by which
> > the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
> > completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from
> > the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people
> > working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to
> > arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of activists,
> > students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up"
> > decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental change
> > approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld
> > primarily by members.
> >
> > Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one
> > province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two
> > rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if members
> per
> > region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive
> > regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what
> > factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to denounce
> > and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will
> catalyse
> > the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following bottom
> > up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships to
> an
> > inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions on
> the
> > state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
> > simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region,
> > members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around principles
> > which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism and
> > boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings,
> > conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started
> > working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive branch
> > meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to
> > return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch.
> We
> > as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild party
> > structures namely branches and regional structures which should propagate
> > revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC.  Regular
> > inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many
> > PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party
> (re)building
> > programme.
> >
> > [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.]
> > The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative
> > Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action.
> What's
> > fundamental is members must ag

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Nkrumah

Sorry, I meant Bottom-up approach.

The explanation you gave do not assist


On 13 September 2016 at 12:07, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Cde Chargin
>
> I expressed and explained bottom-up approach not a top-up approach,
>
> Top-up approach is when members converged for the first time for an unity
> conference hoping to resolve leadership factions in two days (48 hours) and
> also generate a PoA. Those who succeeds to attend a conference may lack a
> mandate thus represent their own individual jackets thus its highly elitist
> since those with financial resources without branches nor mandates can
> attend the conference .
>
> But the bottom-up approach is a members driven process hence the necessity
> to defactionalise and forge unity from branches  and regional levels as a
> priority, thus members take full ownership to drive principled unity of the
> PAC since members generate mandates and define the principles of party
> unity; Bottom up approach is democratic and transparent programmatic
> approach. In a bottom-up approach the individual base elements of the
> system are first specified in great detail by members define the problem
> and formulate necessary interventions which constitutes a solution. These
> elements are then linked together to form larger subsystems, which then in
> turn are linked, sometimes in many levels, until a complete top-level
> system is formed. This strategy often resembles a "seed" model, by which
> the beginnings are small but eventually grow in complexity and
> completeness. A "*bottom-up*" approach to changes one that works from
> the  grassroots (members and branches)—from a large number of people
> working together, through regular interaction they cause a decision to
> arise from their joint involvement. A decision by a number of activists,
> students, or victims of some incident to take action is a "bottom-up"
> decision. A bottom-up approach can be thought of as an incremental change
> approach that represents an emergent process cultivated and upheld
> primarily by members.
>
> Direct (repeat) response you question on "holding two rallies in one
> province and still claim unity in the PAC will be realized soon." Two
> rallies are held as a consequence of parallel structures but if members per
> region example if PAC members in Vaal region do meet at an inclusive
> regional meeting and resolve not to attend rallies organised by what
> factionalised leadership meaning members consciously resolves to denounce
> and boycott factionalised rallies, meetings and any gathering will catalyse
> the collapse of factions. In Vaal and other regions, the following bottom
> up approach can used. We invited both Mbinda and Letlapa leaderships to an
> inclusive annual regional conference in 2015 for a frank discussions on the
> state of the party (effectively we either work with all of them
> simultaneously or none of them) and also in PAC Johannesburg Region,
> members took a resolution to remain pro-PAC and united around principles
> which defines PAC, thus the members resolved to denounce factionalism and
> boycott (not-attend) any (or all) factionalised rallies, meetings,
> conference and events. In Johannesburg Regions, members have started
> working together and are encouraged to organise regular inclusive branch
> meetings and inclusive regional meetings. All members are encouraged to
> return to their respective branches and belong to a unified PAC branch. We
> as PAC members have taken the decisions to forge unity and rebuild party
> structures namely branches and regional structures which should propagate
> revolutionary Pan Africanism, Aims and Objectives of the PAC.  Regular
> inclusive regional meetings are held and we reach out to as many
> PAC (including PAM) members to attend and participate in party (re)building
> programme.
>
> [image: Figure 3. Top-down and bottom-up approach to problem solving.]
> The next stage is coordinate a PAC 3rd Gauteng PAC Unity Consultative
> Meeting, to consider a PAC Gauteng Provincial Unity Plan of Action. What's
> fundamental is members must agree as to what constitute forged principled
> unity and how to achieve it a provincial level, and how to monitor progress
> to defactionalise the PAC and forge principled unity at a provincial level
> meaning from branch to regional to provincial level.  Finally
> organisationally we aim at a set of i

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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
;> >>>
>>> >>> ·Reconstitute regions and operate within the party
>>> constitution
>>> >>> and disciplinary code;
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ·Organise ideological and political workshops on regular
>>> basis
>>> >>> at regional and provincial level;
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ·Initiate and organise mass based community struggles;
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ·Organise regular all inclusive provincial meetings to
>>> >>> consolidate unity with common purpose and consolidate gains made;
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ·Approach the PAC national unity conference from a position
>>> of
>>> >>> unity achieved from the bottom to top, that is branches to regional
>>> then
>>> >>> provincial;
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Avoid attending and convening national conferences coming from your
>>> >>> branches and regions being divided and highly factionalised, instead
>>> >>> approach national unity conference from a position where concrete
>>> steps
>>> >>> and
>>> >>> actions has been taken, gains had been to forge principle unity from
>>> the
>>> >>> branch level moving upward.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If P .A.C. wants to forge ahead, it must adopt and carry out this
>>> >>> principle with firmness and thoroughness. To address and root out
>>> >>> Factionalism which the party basic documents has concluded that
>>> >>> “Factionalism is the enemy of solidarity and unity of action”, the
>>> Party
>>> >>> basic documents also concludes that “to destroy it (factionalism) at
>>> its
>>> >>> roots, maximum self-criticism should be encouraged within the
>>> movement.
>>> >>> A
>>> >>> movement that adopts democratic centralism in its approach to its
>>> >>> organizational problems will know how to deal with the virus of
>>> >>> factionalism”. And that “Where the normal processes of free
>>> discussion
>>> >>> fail
>>> >>> to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron discipline should come
>>> into
>>> >>> play, and factional”.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Shango Lashu
>>> >>>
>>> >>> NKrumah
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso <chargein...@gmail.com
>>> >
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Comrade Nkrumah
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> How are you, Son of the soil?
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would
>>> like
>>> >>>> to
>>> >>>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position
>>> is
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I
>>> am
>>> >>>> not
>>> >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position
>>> on
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other
>>> >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All
>>> >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same
>>> challenge
>>> >>>> of
>>> >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as
>>> enshrined
>>> >>>> in
>>> >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific
>>> >>>> approach.
>>> >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People
>>> want to
>>> >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the
>>> >>>> current
>>> >>>> crisis. Some of politica

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-13 Thread Chargein Mabaso
 the party basic documents has concluded that
>> >>> “Factionalism is the enemy of solidarity and unity of action”, the
>> Party
>> >>> basic documents also concludes that “to destroy it (factionalism) at
>> its
>> >>> roots, maximum self-criticism should be encouraged within the
>> movement.
>> >>> A
>> >>> movement that adopts democratic centralism in its approach to its
>> >>> organizational problems will know how to deal with the virus of
>> >>> factionalism”. And that “Where the normal processes of free discussion
>> >>> fail
>> >>> to curb factional tendencies, then firm iron discipline should come
>> into
>> >>> play, and factional”.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Shango Lashu
>> >>>
>> >>> NKrumah
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 9 September 2016 at 11:13, Chargein Mabaso <chargein...@gmail.com>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Comrade Nkrumah
>> >>>>
>> >>>> How are you, Son of the soil?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I would also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would  like
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position
>> is
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I
>> am
>> >>>> not
>> >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other
>> >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All
>> >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same
>> challenge
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as
>> enshrined
>> >>>> in
>> >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific
>> >>>> approach.
>> >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want
>> to
>> >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the
>> >>>> current
>> >>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have
>> >>>> their
>> >>>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of
>> >>>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum,
>> >>>> APRP,
>> >>>> etc.  PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those
>> wounds,
>> >>>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The
>> >>>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like
>> the
>> >>>> ANC,  let alone in evolutionary ones.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic
>> >>>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from
>> >>>> my
>> >>>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC
>> Basic
>> >>>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the
>> >>>> PAC
>> >>>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis.
>> Take,
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the
>> >>>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code
>> >>>> after
>> >>>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever
>> >>>> disprove
>> >>>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us
>> >>>> as
>> >>>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades
>> start
>> >>>> to
>> >>>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the
>> intentions
>> >>>> of
>> >>>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who
>> openly
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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
ould also appreciate to meet you and other comrade who would  like
> >>>> to
> >>>> share ideas on the unity talks in relation to my input. My position is
> >>>> not
> >>>> cast in stone. I have applied my mind to the task at hand. May be I am
> >>>> not
> >>>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on
> >>>> the
> >>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other
> >>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All
> >>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge
> >>>> of
> >>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as
> enshrined
> >>>> in
> >>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific
> >>>> approach.
> >>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want
> to
> >>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the
> >>>> current
> >>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have
> >>>> their
> >>>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of
> >>>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum,
> >>>> APRP,
> >>>> etc.  PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds,
> >>>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The
> >>>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like
> the
> >>>> ANC,  let alone in evolutionary ones.
> >>>>
> >>>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic
> >>>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from
> >>>> my
> >>>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic
> >>>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the
> >>>> PAC
> >>>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take,
> >>>> for
> >>>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the
> >>>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code
> >>>> after
> >>>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever
> >>>> disprove
> >>>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us
> >>>> as
> >>>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades
> start
> >>>> to
> >>>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions
> >>>> of
> >>>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly
> >>>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they
> >>>> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes
> >>>> me
> >>>> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that
> >>>> is
> >>>> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and
> >>>> Nkrumah
> >>>> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move
> >>>> is
> >>>> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings
> >>>> of
> >>>> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick"
> >>>> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest
> >>>> and
> >>>> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing
> >>>> with
> >>>> their enemies.
> >>>>
> >>>> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I
> am
> >>>> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this
> >>>> stage.
> >>>> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic
> >>>> Documents,
> >>>> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and
> >>>> daughters
> >>>> of the soil.
> >>>>
> >>>> I am available next week from  Monday to Fri

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
 intentions
>>>> of
>>>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly
>>>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they
>>>> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes
>>>> me
>>>> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that
>>>> is
>>>> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and
>>>> Nkrumah
>>>> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move
>>>> is
>>>> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings
>>>> of
>>>> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick"
>>>> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest
>>>> and
>>>> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing
>>>> with
>>>> their enemies.
>>>>
>>>> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am
>>>> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this
>>>> stage.
>>>> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic
>>>> Documents,
>>>> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and
>>>> daughters
>>>> of the soil.
>>>>
>>>> I am available next week from  Monday to Friday. I will be around
>>>> Joburg
>>>> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in
>>>> contact.
>>>>
>>>> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up
>>>> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong.  My instinct and logic say
>>>> the
>>>> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be
>>>> after
>>>> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk
>>>> later,
>>>> comrade.
>>>>
>>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Charge-in Mabaso
>>>> Cell: 071 020 3554
>>>>
>>>>  .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
>>>> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Cde Charge in
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
>>>>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or
>>>>> arising
>>>>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to
>>>>> converge as
>>>>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
>>>>> initiators.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel
>>>>> structures,
>>>>> in some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space
>>>>> to
>>>>> rebuild ftom the bottom.
>>>>>
>>>>> I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper.
>>>>>
>>>>> Shango lashu
>>>>> Nkrumah
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ma-Afrika
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the
>>>>>> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere
>>>>>> hope
>>>>>> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion
>>>>>> in the
>>>>>> right direction.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> .
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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>> informed on the basis of twor approaches. I only based my position on the
>>> scientific approach to Party unity. I also drew lessons from other
>>> revolutions worldwide. The current crisis is not unique to PAC. All
>>> revolutionary parties through the world experienced the same challenge of
>>> factionalism. They addressed their own crises the same way as enshrined in
>>> the PAC Basic Documents. It is the only objective and scientific approach.
>>> Others are subjective and unscientific. That is my stance.
>>>
>>> Lest we forget! There is unfinished business in the PAC. People want to
>>> settle old scores, in one way or another. Let's not trivalise the current
>>> crisis. Some of political and ideological differences in the PAC have their
>>> roots going as far as in exile and in Robben Island in the days of
>>> Casablanca and Morovian groups, Katanga's, Panafro, Sobukwe Forum, APRP,
>>> etc.  PAM, ID and APC are new phenomena. We need to open those wounds,
>>> surgically clean and stitch them so that they heal properly. The
>>> broad-church mentality does not work even in reformist parties like the
>>> ANC,  let alone in evolutionary ones.
>>>
>>> My challenge is: I believe the approach enshrined in the PAC Basic
>>> Documents is the only correct and scientific one. The reason is, from my
>>> experience since I joined PAC, any position in line with the PAC Basic
>>> Documents is always the correct one at the end. Any violation of the PAC
>>> Basic Documents always proved to be wrong in the final analysis. Take, for
>>> example, the suspension of armed struggle by the PAC NWC and the
>>> President's violation of the PAC Constitution and Disciplinary Code after
>>> Qwaqwa Congress. No amount of innovation and creativity will ever disprove
>>> the correctness of the PAC Basic Documents. They are sacrosanct to us as
>>> Pan Africanist just like the Bible is to Christians. Once comrades start to
>>> question their correctness, I always feel suspicious of the intentions of
>>> those Party members. I know there is currently some members who openly
>>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they
>>> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes me
>>> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that is
>>> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and Nkrumah
>>> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move is
>>> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings of
>>> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick"
>>> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest and
>>> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing with
>>> their enemies.
>>>
>>> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am
>>> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this stage.
>>> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents,
>>> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and daughters
>>> of the soil.
>>>
>>> I am available next week from  Monday to Friday. I will be around Joburg
>>> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in
>>> contact.
>>>
>>> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up
>>> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong.  My instinct and logic say the
>>> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be after
>>> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk later,
>>> comrade.
>>>
>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>
>>>
>>> Charge-in Mabaso
>>> Cell: 071 020 3554
>>>
>>>  .
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
>>> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Cde Charge in
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
>>>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising
>>>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as
>>>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
>>>> initiators.
>>>>
>>>> Please note: Not all PA

Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
ly
>> disagree with Sobukwe and Kwame Nkrumah on certain political line they
>> advocated for the Party Their mere mention of such disagreements makes me
>> doubt their intentions and honest. They sound mischievous. To me, that is
>> strange to claim to be following in the footsteps of Sobukwe and Nkrumah
>> and still disagree with the them on their political line. Such a move is
>> like being a proud Christian totally opposed to some of the teachings of
>> Jesus Christ, for example, being opposed to the "turn-the-other-chick"
>> stance advocated by Jesus Christ. It's contradiction in terms. Honest and
>> loyal Christians do not advocate "an-eye-for-an-eye" stance in dealing with
>> their enemies.
>>
>> May be after our meeting I will be convinced otherwise. As of now, I am
>> not. I currently believe there is no need to event the wheel at this stage.
>> The tools of resolving PAC crisis are enshrined in the PAC Basic Documents,
>> no where else. I may be wrong. Please educate me, noble sons and daughters
>> of the soil.
>>
>> I am available next week from  Monday to Friday. I will be around Joburg
>> for the whole week. We can meet at any convenient time. Let's keep in
>> contact.
>>
>> I want to be honest, I am not convince the Top-down and Bottom-up
>> approaches will ever work. I may be wrong.  My instinct and logic say the
>> opposite. Objectively, the two approaches are not workable. May be after
>> our meeting I will see light at the end of the tunnel. Let's talk later,
>> comrade.
>>
>> Izwe Lethu!
>>
>>
>> Charge-in Mabaso
>> Cell: 071 020 3554
>>
>>  .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 September 2016 at 21:17, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
>> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Cde Charge in
>>>
>>> Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
>>> Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising
>>> from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as
>>> long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
>>> initiators.
>>>
>>> Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures,
>>> in some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to
>>> rebuild ftom the bottom.
>>>
>>> I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper.
>>>
>>> Shango lashu
>>> Nkrumah
>>>
>>> On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ma-Afrika
>>>>
>>>> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the
>>>> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope
>>>> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the
>>>> right direction.
>>>>
>>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>>
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[PAYCO] Re: RE:

2016-09-12 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Shocking news! May his soul rest in peace.

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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-09 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
ollapsed, this present a space to
>> rebuild ftom the bottom.
>>
>> I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper.
>>
>> Shango lashu
>> Nkrumah
>>
>> On 8 Sep 2016 13:28, "Chargein Mabaso" <chargein...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Ma-Afrika
>>>
>>> Please find the attached document as my objective contribution to the
>>> debate on unity talks within the Pan Africanist camp. It is my sincere hope
>>> that the contribution will kick-start the derailed talks into motion in the
>>> right direction.
>>>
>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>
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Re: [PAYCO]

2016-09-08 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Cde Charge in

Thanks for the document which I perused, your critique of Top Down and
Bottom Up strategies fails to recognise the solutions presented or arising
from each strategy and also that both strategies are capable to converge as
long as there the two strategies are not executed from an antagonist
initiators.

Please note: Not all PAC Branches and regions have parallel structures, in
some areas parallel structures have collapsed, this present a space to
rebuild ftom the bottom.

I suggest a session to exchange ideas on your paper.

Shango lashu
Nkrumah

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> right direction.
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> Izwe Lethu!
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Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

2016-08-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
MAfrika, Good day.

The current political developments in our country at the moment have open a
new opportunity for Pan Africanists to go back to the drawing board and do
some serious introspection. The current voter apathy, poor PAC/PAM
performance  and the politics of coalitions after the recent local
government elections say a lot to any serious-minded political party still
wishing to continue to exist and survive in the current turbulent political
situation in South Africa. We are entering interesting times in the history
of our country. The developments send a clear message to all of us about
the coming National Elections in 2019. We must do something now or forget
about making impact in 2019. We must position ourselves now to be either
the ruling party, or the official opposition, or  a kingmaker in 2019. It
is our chance as a monolithic united party not factions and breakaway
parties. If we are serious enough, we can make it. If not, serious-minded
Pan Africanists should come together and form one voice like the EFF did.
We cannot waste our precious time with nicetime clowns who are paying
lip-service to unity whilst inwardly opposed to it. Let's give them the
last chance up to the end of September 2016 and kiss and say goodbye
to unity talks.Get me right: A united PAC can be an ideal situation. A
united PAC can become the ruling party in 2019. It is possible. It is no
longer a pie in the sky. If PAC unity is not achievable in our lifetime
because of some political turncoats in our midst, it's bad luck. Mafrika,
we must ask ourselves why voters prefer to vote for everyone else (every
Jack and Jill) but not Pan Africanists. They also vote for independents but
not us, WHY? We must answer that question. Other parties are having
sleepless nights positioning themselves strategically for 2019. Pan
Africanists will from now onward be busy fighting each otherin courts of
law  instead of closing ranks and position themselves to occupy the
existing political vacuum in our country. Many of the people who did not
vote do not associate themselves with the current political stream (ANC, DA
and EFF). They have no political home.In the meantime, we are aloof and
divorced from the masses but not PASMA. PASMA is deeply involved is student
politics. The question is: did PASMA vote in the local elections? Which
party they voted for? Remember: I said some PASMA members belong to other
political parties, not necessary to PAC as many people wish us to believe,
unlike PASO we launched in 1989. Comrades, we cannot expect to be voted
into power if we do not lead the masses in their daily struggles where
 they are fighting for their bread and butter issues in their communities
and workplaces through civic movements, trade unions, youth organisations,
etc. We cannot avoid theses questions for too long if we are serious about
wining power. Did NACTU affiliates vote in these elections? Which party
they voted for? Where is Maqhekeni? I only saw him on TV with ANC ministers
Pravin Gordon. Is he still a PAC member like Sdumo of Cosatu is an ANC
member? Something is wrong somewhere? Where is Narius Moloto as NACTU
Secretary General? Is he still a PAC member? Where is NACTU they lead?
Which party NACTU members voted for? These are the difficult questions we
must ask a conference or bosberaad? All these comrades should account if
they are deployed by the Party in NACTU and PASMA. We cannot call them to
account if they are there for themselves. I talk from experience. We were
instructed by Zeph Mothopeng to launch PASO and we accounted to him and to
PAC leadership accordingly for PASO activities, not to ourselves. We were
at one stage instructed to recruit PASO members to join PAC and APLA, and
we did just that. That is why we adopted the slogan, "PASO By Day, APLA By
Night!" What is wrong with PASMA, PAYCO, and NACTU? Where are they
accounting to, to themselves? Hayi khona Something must be done.
.COSATU, ANCYL, SASCO and SANCO are all accounting to the ANC leadership.
If they cannot acount to our Party, we must disband them and launch new
ones. That is it. We cannot have fellow travelers in politics. .

The truth is: We have all failed the Party in one way or another, even for
not asking ourselves the right questions. .


Mafrika, bourgeois mentality of relying on campaigns just few weeks before
elections does not work. I did not work for the past 22 years. When are we
going to learn it? Are we so dumb to learn from our past mistakes? Let's
wake up from the political stupor. other parties are wide awake except
us..PAC grew overnight after the Status and Positive Action Camapains. It
also grew in strength after the launch of AZANYU and PASO. It did not grow
because of posters, TV shows, etc. Mass action is what counts, not mass
demonstration. The chaos caused by EFF in parliament and land grabs is
paying dividends now. It has opted to play opposition role in the coalition
politics so as to continue creating chaos

Re: [PAYCO] PAC and the Court Ruling

2016-08-16 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
PASMA as a PAC Component structure continues to lead students mass
agitation in regard to fees must fall.

Nkrumah

On 15 August 2016 at 12:55, Mphiri Masoga <mphi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Good Morning MaAfrika
>
> What happened to PASMA AND ARM?
>
> Regards,
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 12:19 PM, Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi <
> nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 10 February 2012 at 11:26, Chargein Mabaso <chargein...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Comrades
>>>
>>> Letlapa lost the court appeal. We have been proved right on the
>>> violation of the PAC. But, who will bell the cat within the PAC, and
>>> how? Let's wait and see. Power struggles and smear campaigns that
>>> always divide the Pan Africanist camp will now show its ugly face
>>> instead of focusing at the mammoth task at hand. Some snubbing has
>>> already started.
>>>
>>> Good luck, noble sons and daughters of Soil. You are now facing a big
>>> test. Only men and women of vision can shoulder this huge
>>> responsibility successfully. We are watching you keenly. Kazi ukuba
>>> izozala nkomoni?
>>>
>>> Izwe Lethu!
>>>
>>> Charge-in Mabaso
>>> Ex- PASO Veteran
>>> 0710203554
>>>
>>> On 2/6/12, mmas...@webmail.co.za <mmas...@webmail.co.za> wrote:
>>> > The outcome of the Court proceedings in the matter pertaining to the
>>> > legality of the Alice Congress was as interesting as has been the many
>>> other
>>> > legal fracas the PAC has had to endure over the years.
>>> >
>>> > Whilst this is continued evidence of the Party leadership s inability
>>> to
>>> > find the key driving anchors, there is another dimension I find
>>> attractive
>>> > for analysis. The dimension of leadership, and a point has to be made
>>> here
>>> > that whilst leadership is the single most important glue for
>>> organisational
>>> > viability, there are many other variables that hold sway to a party s
>>> > direction and success.
>>> >
>>> > And whilst I welcome the Court decision and it must be said well done
>>> to the
>>> > engineers of it, I must admit that I was not an inch surprised of this
>>> > ruling. My preoccupation is on something else I will share later on,
>>> herein.
>>> >
>>> > In less than six months of office it became evident that President
>>> Letlapa
>>> > (perhaps as he then was) had embarked on a no return path to self
>>> > destruction and organisational paralysis. Contrary to what many people
>>> > PERCEIVE it increasingly became clear that there was real incapacity
>>> to take
>>> > decisions including on matters about which we had given a clear
>>> mandate, for
>>> > his benefit some of them. A telling example was his failure to secure
>>> proper
>>> > accomodation for himself when we had, some of us millitantly at the
>>> time,
>>> > resolved that he should sign as signatory and secure himself decent
>>> place.
>>> > He was our President and had our undivided support and loyalty. The
>>> list of
>>> > indecision instances is sizeable.
>>> >
>>> > Perhaps the indecision was a result of leadership inexperience and
>>> would be
>>> > cured with time, so we wanted to convince ourselves.
>>> >
>>> > But then other things happened. In post apartheid SA he presided and
>>> > engineered the break up of the PAC into small insignificant pieces.
>>> This was
>>> > very painful and it still is. Two splinter movements sprang out of the
>>> > party, including his attempt at killing PAYCO by introducing some
>>> league
>>> > concept. I personally have little regard for the two individuals who
>>> led
>>> > these splinter groups as they are just as much opportunists. The issue
>>> is
>>> > that the desire for people to break up Parties is always there but
>>> > leadership prevails. In cases where the split is not avoidable,
>>> > organisational performance must absolve you as some form of
>>> 'mitigation'. In
>>> > this insta

[PAYCO] Re: PAC JOHANNESBURG REGION UNITY AND FOWARD MOVEMENT

2016-08-15 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
Izwe lethu

Reading these e-mails one wonders, in the last 3 years,how far has PAC
moved to resolve internal feuding and forge principled unity?

Nkrumah

On 19 March 2013 at 14:29, Nkrumah Kgagudi <nrkgag...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings, M’Afrika
>
>
>
> This is a summary of the outcomes of PAC Johannesburg regional meeting
> held on the 17th March 2013. PAC members and branches in Johannesburg
> region acknowledged that for long the party has been ravaged by divisions
> and unjustified internal conflicts, and that there has been a disregard of
> the party constitution and principles which should govern our political
> work as members and structures. PAC Johannesburg region members and
> branches resolved not to proceed with the regional congress instead focus
> on forging a principled unity that is based on full adherence to basic
> party principles as outlined in the PAC Ga-Matlala Constitution and
> Disciplinary Code. And members also resolved to disbanded parallel
> structures that were existing namely the Alexandra December 2012 ‘Regional
> Executive Committee’ and the Preparatory Committee formed on the 25th
> November 2012. The regional meeting resolved and encouraged all PAC members
> in Johannesburg to willing and committed to contribute in the
> re-organisation and rebuilding of the PAC to become active and adhere with
> the party constitution and disciplinary code. Members resolved that unity
> of party members is supreme to achieve a functional and focused PAC in
> Johannesburg region.
>
>
>
> On the 17th March 2013 members and branches further resolved:-
>
>
>
> · To embrace unity and to subject all party political work to be
> within the prescripts of PAC Ga-Matlala 2000 Constitution;
>
> · To form an inclusive and unifying Preparatory Committee that
> will coordinate and administer the regional activities towards the regional
> congress and other regional activities, supervised by the National
> Organiser;
>
> · An inclusive and unifying Johannesburg Regional Congress will
> be held on the 19th May 2013;
>
> · The regional congress shall be held as per the prescripts of
> the party constitution;
>
> · In April 2013, there will be a regional general meeting that
> should focus and deliberate on discussion documents that should focus the
> party members on programme, strategy and plan of actions including policy
> documents. Aims at formulating strategies that will aim at giving building
> the required internal organisational capabilities such that the assumes a
> mass based character including visibility of PAC in Johannesburg Region;
>
> · Members resolved that administration and coordination of PAC
> regional affairs should be based at based at Mansion House offices in
> Market Street;
>
> · All branches and members should ensure that they are in good
> standing as per the party constitution;
>
> · Branches and members should ensure they are paid up for the
> financial year starting 1st March 2013 ending 27/28 February 2014;
>
> · Branches should compile and update monthly membership registers
> as per the constitutional requirements;
>
> · If permissible branches should arrange political workshop on
> basic party constitutional matters and organisational matters;
>
> · Members also resolved not to attend the joint PAC-ANC Human
> Rights Day and opted for a PAC Sharpeville – Langa Massacre Commemoration
> which is being organised and will be joint by the New Black Panther Party,
> All African People Revolutionary Party (AAPRP) and ZANU PF. Also it is
> expected that AZAPO, SOPA and other formations and community based
> organisations will join the PAC in the Sharpeville and Langa Massacre
> Commemoration on the 21st March 2013.
>
>
>
> Shango lashu
>
>
>
> Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
>
>
>
>
>

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[PAYCO] Re: The Letter From the IEC- PAC - None Participation? IS this the end or beginning?

2016-06-21 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
 dies.*
> * All your personal squabbles aside Call Political M*ediation  *WITH NO
> FAVOUR BUT FOR THE PAC.*
>
> *I remain one who see an opportunity in every calamity besetting PAC. I am
> the generation of the African Warriors who continues to fight with their
> spirits though their bodies are buried in the deep sees and underground.*
> *I salute your teachings. *
>
>

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[PAYCO] re: Yeah - it's monkey business!!!

2016-06-15 Thread 'Sebenzile Mlaza' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Greetings comrades,


> Penny Sparrow says she's been misunderstood, she's not a racist.
> "In white culture MONKEY is a term of "endearment."" POPPYCOCK!!!
> But hey, who can blame her when we have our own undermining our intelligence.
> We are likened to monkeys, the 
> SABC's ban of demonstrations where property is destroyed means just exactly 
> that. 
> The "rationale" that "it may inspire people to do the same" is MONKEY SEE, 
> MONKEY DO, right?
> The myopic SABC's chief operating officer, mr Hlaudi and his fellow capuchins 
> ostensibly say we are like the lot in the SABC who do what their real bosses 
> in politics say they must do.
> Hlaudi and all other Homo Erectus who agree with him are quintessential 
> monkeys who take directives or rather should I say orders from his fellow 
> captured super monkeys in government!!!
> We are fed daily sadistic killings and vixens in Soap Operas hopping from one 
> relationship to another, it's only monkeys who won't see the anomaly in a 
> decision made by their own.
> 
> It's so weird that the same prudent public broadcaster has last Friday or 
> Saturday on a comedy show flighted an egregiously prurient dialogue I've ever 
> heard in history, that the nonsense they flighted is so hilarious but even 
> scary that you would have cachinnated in amazement that a public broadcaster 
> would have flighted such crap and expect us the viewers or rather should I 
> say monkeys to pay TV licenses for. Well, in my opinion, it is of no material 
> relevancej that this was after 9pm. This was supposedly a tribute to Kenny 
> Kunene comedy show. 

Have a great evening!!! Izwe lethu!!!

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Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda

2016-05-27 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades, in your responses learn to mark the ball, not the man. To
answer you, it is enough to remind you few things. Those who are not
new in the Pzn Africanist fold know what happened in the past after
the suspension of PAC Constitution by PAC President letlapa Mphahlele
through the advice of those who claim to be clean now, especially
Narius Moloto. Whoever has forgetten that part of our history is
either having short memory or deliberately pretending to have
forgetten like any typical hypocrite. If PAM is not PAC, why PAC
participated in the funeral of President Clarence Makwetu who was a
member of PAM and claimed him as its member too? Was it just for
political scoring on the party of PAC members? I don't believe so? It
is because they know PAM is PAC at it was the case in 1989 up to the
unbanning of PAC. At that time, PAC could not operate freely inside
the country. We could not carry PAC card and organise publicly. We
were instructed by PAC President Zephania Mothopeng to launch PAM.
Zeph was the only person allowed at that time to be a member of banned
PAC and carry its card public. Same is true me. Whoever says I am not
a PAC as I was before PAC unbanning is not in his sober mind. Let me
remind you again. When we were expelled from PAC and PAC was crippled
politically by people Narius Moloto and Co possible including you, we
relaunched PAM and adopted PAC Basic Documents (Pan Africanist
Manifesto & Constitution) without amending them except replacing PAC
name with PAM. How can then any person in his normal senses claim PAM
is not PAC? It's madness. QWHAT PAC different from other political
parties? It's not the name PAC. It is the 1959 Basic Documents. Don't
you know that simple logic? What you are saying is like teling us that
Letlapa Mphahlele, Apa Pooe, Makwtu, Mlambo, Sobukwe, etc are not PAC
members. Only sick people can repeat the same tired trick to justify
their mischievious acts.  Albert Eistein, the great Scientist, rightly
said, insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expect
different results. Comrades are doing just that to destroy PAC
PERMANENTLY.  Izwe Lethu!

On 27/05/2016, d...@pac.org.za <d...@pac.org.za> wrote:
>
> Are you back in the party Cde Mcharge? the last time I check you were a
> senior official in PAM.PAM is an independent formation, it is certainly
> not PAC. Why this quite return when you made noise about leaving the party
> of Sobukwe? Announce your intentions to return Cde Mcharge, before you
> take center stage.
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2016 11:25 am, Chargein Mabaso wrote:
>> Mbinda-Moloto faction can say whatever about Party unity (Bottom up or
>> Top down), it doesn't matter. Its actions say the opposite to Party
>> unity. Their faction is totally anti-Party unity. Its philosophical
>> arguments can fool us no more. We can read between the lines and see
>> clearly its sinister motives sugarcoated in legal jargons. The faction
>> tries to parade itself as a better devil. On the contrary, it is more
>> divisive and dangerous than all.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 26/05/2016, Mohlomphegi Mphahlele <mphah...@eskom.co.za> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Comrade Chargein for being open and frank about Eddie
>>> utterances and his current position in our party fiasco. Hope he take
>>> that like a true Pan Africanist soldier. I always tell comrades that you
>>> cannot pretend to be clean coming out of a mud game. We are all soiled
>>> in one way or another and cannot claim legitimacy or purity in the mess
>>> that our party is in. The other danger that our young comrades are doing
>>> is to allow to be bought by lousy stipends. Inde lendlela yomzabalazo!
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Chargein Mabaso [mailto:chargein...@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 2:27 PM
>>> To: payco@googlegroups.com
>>> Cc: vakele mkandawire; Maciej Radzio; Johnson Mlambo; Xola Tyamzashe;
>>> tumimod...@hotmail.co.za; p...@vodamail.co.za; phumzilenomnga;
>>> po...@yahoo.com; PAC Mogale city PAC; PAC TSHWANE;
>>> pacaza...@webmail.co.za; pasmapresid...@gmail.com; pac.nc...@gmail.com;
>>> patrick.khum...@ekurhuleni.gov.za; Sbusiso Xaba; sndamane; Lehlogonolo
>>> Digashu; David Dube; frambo...@gmail.com; sandla goqwana; Tebogo
>>> Masipa;
>>> Solly Hlubi; bra junior; Keith Moyce; Lucas Mmola; Zola Nyamela; Leago
>>> Moselakgomo; m...@pac.org.za; Kidi Bolelwang; Sipho Owen;
>>> celenjabulo...@gmail.com; bc...@netactive.co.za; nyalu...@live.co.za;
>>> nnyq...@gmail.com; nombule...@webmail.com; nol...@nactu.org.za; Pinkie
>>> Monyane; Moshe Mahlomola; msiro; mop...@pac.org.za;
>>> mafub...@hotmail.com; Mphiri Masoga; mnd...@yahoo.com; Malinge Pla

Re: [PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda

2016-05-26 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrade Eddie.

Please nind your language when you talk to another comrades-in-arms.
There is neither absolute honest and absolute truth in what is
happening in the Pan Africanist fold. Your deeds do not serve PAC
interest but those of your faction and enenies, consciously or
uncomsciously. We are busy talking about PAC unity and you guys are
busy engaged in personal and factional agendas. Don't pretend as if
you do not know PAC political dynamics is at the moment. Your NEC is
also a NEC for a particular faction too. It is not better than other
PAC factions. Currently, your faction (Mbinda-Moloto faction) is
canerous, reactionary and countrrevolution. It is counterrevolutionary
and reactionary for any member to be a stumblig block (opposed /
obstacle) to Party unity. Genuine loyal PAC leaders ought run the
Party through properly constituted PAC conferences and congresses as
stipulated by the PAC Constitution, not through neocolonial courts and
factional conferences and congresses. What you are doing is tantamount
to working for our enemies, consciously or unconsciously. If the PAC
unity fails because of you, comrades, be rest assured, history will
judge you harshly, both individually and collectively. It will be
unkind to you as it did to other  wrong elemnts in the Party
throughout the political life of PAC. Continue messing the Party at
your risk and peril! Remember the Oath of Allegation you took. It
still applies. History will be judge unkindly. Narius Moloto has no
clean hands as you think. He played a major in the destruction of PAC
to where it is today. He cannot pretend otherwise. Once beaten twice
shy. Guys, you can run but you cannot hide. You can't fool us again.
We are watching your deeds with keen interest! Continue, comrades,
messing the PAC. We will be observers (Qubani sizakubamb'ikhuba!)

Izwe Lethu!

On 26/05/2016, eddie mfulwane <rammymfulw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Cde Apa
>
> I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know you
> are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of
> maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse
> PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be
> busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows.
>
> I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non
> existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND THEREFORE
> NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!*
>
> Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of
> Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to
> submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting.
>
> President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with
> IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still
> lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will
> create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to.
>
>
> Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a
> sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like
> you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation.
>
> *Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016
> Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC
> on 03rd August 2016.*
>
>
> Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda
>
> On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire <mvak...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Apa Pooe
>> Sec for Information and Publicity
>> Mobile Number: 083 9402 755
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> *RE.Mfulwane*
>
>
>
>
> *Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie
> MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634*
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[PAYCO] Re: Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda

2016-05-26 Thread eddie mfulwane
Cde Apa

I'm extremely disturbed with you sending me these rubbish to me. I know you
are normal and a man of your age is expected to have some level of
maturity. Continuing with this non existing dream that you are PAC or worse
PAC leadership comes to me as a concern that old men who are suppose to be
busy with family responsibilities are busy chasing shadows.

I hope its for the last time you include my email in these foolish non
existing dream. *GET IT INTO YOUR HEAD'S...YOU HAVE LOST AND THEREFORE
NO LONGER PAC LEADERSHIP!!*

Seating here looking at what you call an agenda, I see you talking of
Elections and IEC related matters and I wonder where are you going to
submit the names, or anything you resolve on in this joke of a meeting.

President Luthando Mbinda and other leaders of other parties are busy with
IEC processes ...setting timetables and guidelines and you guys are still
lying to each other, that there is some little hope somewhere that you will
create some confusion and submit whatever you intend to.


Never again should you confuse me for being part of your dream I'm a
sober PAC member who knows who and what PAC is and that is nothing like
you. Get a life or be bold enough to go start your own little organisation.

*Oooh as a South African citizen you are welcome to join the PAC LGE 2016
Manifesto Launch on the 28th May 2016 at Attrigeville @ 10H00 and VOTE PAC
on 03rd August 2016.*


Yours in PAC behind the leadership of President Luthando Mbinda

On Thu, May 26, 2016 at 4:20 AM, vakele mkandawire <mvak...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Kindly find attached Notice of Extended NEC Meeting and Agenda.
>
> Regards,
> Apa Pooe
> Sec for Information and Publicity
> Mobile Number: 083 9402 755
>
>


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*Pan-Africanist Youth Congress Office Of the Secretary Generalcde Eddie
MfulwaneCell: 084 376 6634*

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[PAYCO] Emailing: 3-johnson-mlambo

2016-04-16 Thread Mduduzi Sibeko



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2016-04-01 Thread Mduduzi Sibeko
[Description: Secretary-General Meets with President of Pan Africanist Congress]


Cde Makwethu at the United Nations 1991


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[PAYCO] Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng (1913 - 1990)

2016-03-31 Thread vu...@telkomsa.net

This paper is a contribution towards:

1. Zeph House in Orlando West to be visited by PAC members the youth and Adults.
2. Political Rallies also to be organized around Zephs political life and 
struggle.

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This paper is a contribution towards:
1. Zeph House in Orlando West to be visited by PAC members the youth and Adults.
2. Political Rallies also to be organized around Zephs political life and 
struggle.

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Subject: Re: Zephania Lekoame Mothopeng (1913 – 1990) entire adult life 
dedicated to Political, Economic and Social Emancipation of Indigenous Africans 
in Azania (South Africa)

This paper is a contribution towards:
1. Zeph House in Orlando West to be visited by PAC members the youth and 
Adults.2. Political Rallies also to be organized around Zephs political life 
and struggle.

Regards
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2016-03-25 Thread Mduduzi Sibeko
Cde Seroke/ Hlongwane/ Nkrumah

The 1976 June 16 is underway. Two figures that come to my mind are Uncle Zeph 
and Tsietsi Mashinini.
Why are these two heroes become unsung.  Is it because of a clear blue water 
between them and those
That are owning factors of publicity today. Please expand on the roles played 
by these comrades


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[PAYCO] Whatever side a tossed coin lands blacks lose; heads they lose, tails they lose too!!!

2016-02-26 Thread 'Sebenzile Mlaza' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Revolutionary greetings to all,
>  
> He who has ruminated on Fanon's "Black skins, White masks" will, with no iota 
> of dubiety, not be taken aback by the recent feats at 'varsities when Blacks 
> only were arrested by a predominantly black riot squad during a fracas 
> between them and white pupils. We are told by the older generation that 
> during the 1976 riots or rather should I say uprisings, most fatalities were 
> meted out by black cops. Students arrested thereafter would attest the 
> brutish torture was by black cops, even not on the behest of white ones - 
> chickens that eat their own eggs and wonder why they're an endangered 
> species. Frantz Fanon called it: "The communication of guilt" only when 
> atrocities are sanctioned to a junior by his superior. But at any rate my 
> favourite book by Frantz Fanon is Wretched of the Earth, chapter two Pitfalls 
> of National Consciousness, please raise your hand if I’ve erred  because I no 
> longer have a copy of this book as some thugs (what some Marxist-Leninist 
> call lumpen proletariat) broke into my house and stole most of the little I 
> use to have, but that’s neither here nor there.
>  
> What is here is, at Bloemfontein the pressure was concentrated on black 
> people despite the show of a predominantly white rage on a TV footage, no 
> arrests were effected, poppycock!!! Peruse the Marikana massacre clip and 
> observe the machine-gun slingers, for your information some video clips in 
> the Marikana massacre were immediately expunged for public access just a few 
> hours after it happened, I still regret why I never recorded it. The action 
> by black cops typify the depth of inferiority complex entrenched by the “now 
> supposedly defunct” apartheid system.
>  
> Not so long,  just last week on the 19th February 2016 Fikile Mbalula and his 
> usually intellectual inebriated friends in the ANC the likes of Nomvula 
> Mokonyane led their myopic march against racism to the union buildings. I 
> personally think Africans in the ANC are making a spectacle of themselves and 
> the entire African public in this country. Being bullied by a small racist 
> minority must not be equated with humiliation faced by African-Americans in 
> the US, the adverse is true. Been under colonial rule for more than 300 years 
> and apartheid a further 82 or so years shouldn’t be a factor to stretch our 
> patience, the ANC-led government must show racists who rule the roost, no 
> manga-manga business we’ve tolerated racism for far too long.
> When one of my friends said if he had his way he’d emigrate, I now see he 
> wouldn't be running away but avoiding to be amongst clowns!!!
>  
> Whatever side a tossed coin lands blacks lose; heads they lose, tails they 
> lose too!!!
>  
> Hayi unzima lomthwalo bo!!!
>  
> Izwe Lethu!!

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[PAYCO] President Zuma “Isilised” Mangaliso Sobukwe from the list of scholars and leaders that went through Fort Hare University

2016-01-10 Thread vu...@telkomsa.net

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[PAYCO] PAc New Year 2016 Statement

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[PAYCO] TRIBUTE TO DR. LAURETTA NOZIWE NGCOBO!!!

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[PAYCO] BENNIE BUNSEE (1935 – 2015): TRIBUTE TO A SOBUKWE-BIKO WARRIOR!!!

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[PAYCO] Fwd: Touching True life story

2015-10-30 Thread Thomo Nkgadima
 Polokwane hospital for
medical treatment they tell us to go back home as they have no medication.
Worried mother said" They are failing to provide proper treatment to my
desperate son."
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Belinda from an impoverished family added although
she has a national diploma in human resources management from Tshwane
University of technology(TUT) , she is unemployed.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > " I have two children to take care and I only survive
on social grant I get monthly" She concluded.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > A tearful mom says the worst pain is when people call them
witches.
> > > > > > > > "I don't know why this is happening to me. All i know is
that i won't allow people to call us names", She said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Mbulelo is an intelligent young boy of great promise
who knows all the actors of his favourite local soapie Skeem Saam.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > She says there is hope to get help. " I seen and  have
heard it all" She said.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Her main focus is now to protect her son from the insults
and raise funds to afford pay for the medical cost of his beloved son.
> > > > > > > > "The government is failing to provide medication to my son
and i wish they can educate my community about certain human disorders so
that my son can live without shame of being teased or a mockery to other
kids. This is unacceptable behaviour, it hurts me as a mother to little
Mbulelo. "This is how God created my son in his image and in my eyes he is
bright,  bold and beautiful. It is indeed a gift from God".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >A SON' S MISERY
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He even askew when he writes his name and his situation
limit his freedom to run around or play with other kids.
> > > > > > > > > >He is not afraid of being being rejected and teased
everyday after school he watches with envy to play with his friends.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > His mother is afraid that he may hurt himself again.
> > > > > > > > "He was born like this and will not die like this if good
Samaritans can lend a helping hand to pay for his medication.
> > > > > > > > > > Limpopo department of Health spokesman Casper Zwane
said : " It is difficult for us to know every patient 's problems".
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > He encouraged the family to report their matter to
their offices. "If there is a complaint the family must report it to us,
our office doors are open at all times.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The family is urging good Samaritans to help pay for
little Mbulelo's  medical costs.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thomo
> > > > > > > > > > > > 0726056834 or 0728296913

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[PAYCO] Honouring the life and legacy of the late comrade Bennie Bunsee

2015-10-28 Thread Pule Maqekoane
FAMILY, FRIENDS, COLLEAGUES, AND COMRADES

*BENNIE BUNSEE – A LIFE REMEMBERED*

Saddened by our collective loss, I am willing, with your blessing and
support, to continue in his honour, the tradition of sharing and
interaction in the newsgroup “Wake Up and Smell the Coffee.” Through this
initiative Bennie brought together revolutionaries with diverse thoughts.
Unless the idea to continue the initiative has already been set in motion
by others; given first the blessing of Bennie’s immediate family, I have
other ideas as well which, I believe, will place in perspective the
contribution of our friend and comrade in our continuing struggle for true
emancipation.



*INTRODUCTION:*



My name is Pule Maqekoane. I am a long-time admirer and reader of *IKWEZI,*
the publication which, under Bennie Bunsee has served to enlighten so many
of us, on a range of topics. I first met Bennie late in 1985 when our exile
paths converged outside the borders of Azania.

Bennie lived in the United Kingdom, while I was based in the Hanseatic City
of Hamburg, West Germany.

I considered Comrade Bennie Bunsee, as the most appropriate revolutionary
of our time, and nominated him to deliver the keynote address of the
campaign in support of independent Black Trade Unions in occupied Azania.
Comrade Bennie Bunsee, following this address, left an indelible memory in
the hearts of the German internationalist audience.

Please share your thoughts with me, and, if you will, your blessing, to
keep the group together, and the memory of Bennie Bunsee alive.



Yours in struggle






*Wake Up and Smell the Coffee*

*Bennie Bunsee Initiative*


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[PAYCO] Tombstone or the Tiger

2015-09-22 Thread 'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Good day Cdes 
I'd love to get feedback on the Jafta Kgalabi Masemola's tombstone unveiling. I 
saw some well-captured photographs on Facebook. It looked well-organized and I 
noticed quite a lot of familiar faces of yesteryear in the scenery.

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Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-21 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades,

President Mugabe was sabotage by his own party to expose him or even
to send a clear signal to those who don't want him to step down within
Zanu Pf for their own good reasons. That is clear not to my mind.
Let's wait and see the next signal.

On the point of eloquent leaders, i have a different view. Most of
eloquent leaders do not go beyond eloquence nowadays. Most of them are
spineless. They cannot stand alone on principle. Unprincipled leaders
cannot make in a party. Many of them find it difficult to lead the
Party and give up easily. They can be crowd pullers outside the party
but leading the party does not end there. Take the example of Mandela
and Mbeki. When Mbeki took over, we doubted him if he will reach
Mandela's crow pulling capability. My own assessment is Mbeki was a
stronger leaders even more than Mandela as far as leading the ANC. He
could handle ANC dynamics better than Mandela but he was not eloquent
or charismatic like Mandela. Moreso, I worked in the past with highly
chariSmatic and eloquence PASO and AZANYU leaders. Many of them found
it difficulty to lead an organisation. Leading is a another ball game
altogether. That is why many parties employ eloquent speakers as
spokespersons, ot President of the Party. A good leader must excell in
uniting and leading the party properly into the theatre of struggle.
He / she must master how to exercise his /her powers effective and
efficiently as a leader without abusing them.  He must a true
democratic centralist who knows the limits of democratic centralism.
He must neither be a dictator nor spineless democrat. Furthermore, he
must not try to imitate another leader's style of leadership. He /she
must himself / herself. There a few such people in any party. At the
same, he must be part of a revolutionary collective, not a faction.

On 9/21/15, Sebenzile Mlaza <sebenzi...@raf.co.za> wrote:
>
>
> Revolutionary greetings all,
>
>
> Reading an already delivered speech by president Mugabe is definitely not a
> transgression, but remember State of the Nation addresses are simply not
> delivered off the cuff, right? Imbedded in them are hopes and inspirations
> of the Nation; they encampus the country's vision thus making the incident
> not trivial. Some leaders even memorize them so to appear to be orators ala
> Cicero, that's what many of them do; I suspect Obama does the same, despite
> being not indictable to read a wrong speech but this faux pas can't be
> regarded as a piccadillo for reasons aforementioned.
>
>
>
> Having said that, perhaps a phraseologically self short-charging was used by
> saying: "He must call it quits." These words were used with the knowledge
> that ZANU isn't just a one man show, president Mugabe certainly has fidus
> Achates in his party some whom he was in the trenches with he can pass the
> baton to. If he feels he could still run the relay without handing over the
> baton to a new energized sprinter, it then smacks of scepticism for his own
> comrades so mishaps like reading anachronistic speeches will continue. Where
> he mentally agile, as he is known to be, he was supposed to rehash the
> speech triggered by an engram, no one would have noticed and we wouldn't be
> having this debate today.
>
>
>
> It will be naive to think that he isn't been taken advantage of because of
> his age. By whom it may be asked? Not by the Imperialist West, certainly not
> by compradors in the MDC but by his own comrades in ZANU because such
> speeches are not simply put on a lectern for a reader, even eloquent
> preachers visit the Bible in the absence of congregants and pretend the next
> day to be au fait with the gospel when delivering a homily.
>
>
>
> Fears that if he steps down there shall be political upheaval in Zimbabwe
> and that may spill over to South Africa. Then this is like a deferment of
> the inevitable because president Mugabe is not immortal. As we speak a
> countless number of our Zimbabwe brothers and sisters are in South Africa
> some whom white settlers take advantage of because of their illegal status.
>
> It's time president Mugabe handed the baton to a trusted comrade who would
> run the mile not because of him having read a previously delivered speech
> but of his dotage seen by us ‘his admirers’ and I repeat ‘HIS ADMIRERS.’
>
>
>
> From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com]
> Sent: 21 September 2015 08:14 AM
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
>
> Dear Comrades
>
> There are two ways to look at this. Oratory goes a long way in drawing mass
> appeal. All organizations that have succeeded had the oratory being integral
> to their success. People used to walk long distances to listen to their
> leaders speak with pep and zest, now they

RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-20 Thread Hulisani
Comrade Linda, any ideas on who should succeed Oldman RG Mugabe and his peers 
in ZANU- PF leadership? I think though ZANU-PF is keenly aware of the 
succession matter and is probably fairly prepared for the inevitable departure 
of Mugabe and his peers. 

 
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> From: kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za
> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 17:48:02 +
> 
> I think our love for the old man to a certain extent blind us to reality. 
> That Mugabe is old is an undeniable fact? That he's now susceptible to things 
> that happens to older people such as tripping on stairways, falling in the 
> bathroom, getting ill often and ofcourse reading a wrong speech without 
> realizing. Oflate the oldman has been committing serious mistakes that 
> embarrasses all of us, example was when he made statements loaded with tribal 
> hatred recently. 
> 
> Ofcourse the persons in the Presidents Office responsible for speech writing 
> and Head of the President's office must be taken to task for this blunder. 
> Having said that, the President cannot be absolved from this blunder, he 
> should have realized whilst reading the speech that he had once read it. If 
> the President reads his speeches with comprehension he could have realised on 
> the first 2 paragraphs of the speech except if he couldn't recall because of 
> age.
> 
> I remain convinced comrades that succession has never been this urgent. When 
> our leader Fidel Castro was being overtaken by age he voluntarily handed the 
> baton. The Oldman RG Mugabe must hand the baton. 
> 
> Izwe lethu!
> Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: Chargein Mabaso <chargein...@gmail.com>
> Sender: payco@googlegroups.com
> Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2015 18:55:46 
> To: <payco@googlegroups.com>
> Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
> 
> Comrades,
> 
> Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President
> Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public
> media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being
> drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. .
> 
> Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can
> read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by
> his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the
> speech writer who is paid to do that?  I also have the same question.
> Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, security
> and intelligent structures who are paid to protect the image
> (reputation) of the President and that of Zimbabwe as country when
> this fiasco happened? The President is the face of the country. That
> is why enemies of any couuntry target the President as their enemey
> number one. Look at the tight security of President Obama wherever he
> goes. Look at the noise in many papers about  wrong sign language
> interpreter (psychopath) who stood next to President Obama during
> Mandela!s Memorial service.  Any threat against President Obama's life
> and image is a direct threat to America as a country, not just to
> Obama as an individual. What happened to President Mugabe was a clear
> sabotage from within his own camp.  Embarassing the President of a
> country is a punishable offence, if not high treason, for anyone who
> did it, consciously or unconsciously. The whole saga did come as a
> surprise after Mujuru crisis in Zimbabwe, if we know her influence and
> that of her husband in the military, security and intelligence
> structures in Zimbabwe.. I guess so. The whole issue seems to be an
> inside job to deepen the crisis in Zimbabwe and check the reaction of
> the Mugabe:s inner circle. Recently, it was reported on papers that
> few days after Mnangagwa was elected as Vice President at the expense
> of Joyce Muju head, poison was found in his office afer his secretary
> collapdsed and rushed to hospital due to inhalation of the poisonous
> gases (attempted assassination of the second in command). That was
> very serious. Once beaten twice shy. What will be the third move after
> this one? My guess is as good as yours.
> 
> On 9/19/15, Hulisani <mmbar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Evening comrades, I wouldn't want to necessary venture into either side of
> > the debate regarding whether or not Mugabe should leave as a matter of
> > urgency. I think the speech incident is being blown out of proportion in so
> > far as Mugabe is being blamed for the oversight. My understanding is that
> > Mugabe has a communication team that assist him with these issues who must
> > make sure th

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-20 Thread Chargein Mabaso
Comrades,

Let's be serious. This is a serious matter just like when President
Boris Yeltsin of Russia tripped and staggered infront of the public
media making mockery of himself. He was redicule and dubbed as being
drunk on an important occassion and called to resign. .

Ma-Afrika, there is no way that the State President of a country can
read a wrong speech in a public platform by accident or omission by
his personal aids. How can that happen in any country? Where was the
speech writer who is paid to do that?  I also have the same question.
Where were the communications department, VIP proetection, security
and intelligent structures who are paid to protect the image
(reputation) of the President and that of Zimbabwe as country when
this fiasco happened? The President is the face of the country. That
is why enemies of any couuntry target the President as their enemey
number one. Look at the tight security of President Obama wherever he
goes. Look at the noise in many papers about  wrong sign language
interpreter (psychopath) who stood next to President Obama during
Mandela!s Memorial service.  Any threat against President Obama's life
and image is a direct threat to America as a country, not just to
Obama as an individual. What happened to President Mugabe was a clear
sabotage from within his own camp.  Embarassing the President of a
country is a punishable offence, if not high treason, for anyone who
did it, consciously or unconsciously. The whole saga did come as a
surprise after Mujuru crisis in Zimbabwe, if we know her influence and
that of her husband in the military, security and intelligence
structures in Zimbabwe.. I guess so. The whole issue seems to be an
inside job to deepen the crisis in Zimbabwe and check the reaction of
the Mugabe:s inner circle. Recently, it was reported on papers that
few days after Mnangagwa was elected as Vice President at the expense
of Joyce Muju head, poison was found in his office afer his secretary
collapdsed and rushed to hospital due to inhalation of the poisonous
gases (attempted assassination of the second in command). That was
very serious. Once beaten twice shy. What will be the third move after
this one? My guess is as good as yours.

On 9/19/15, Hulisani <mmbar...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Evening comrades, I wouldn't want to necessary venture into either side of
> the debate regarding whether or not Mugabe should leave as a matter of
> urgency. I think the speech incident is being blown out of proportion in so
> far as Mugabe is being blamed for the oversight. My understanding is that
> Mugabe has a communication team that assist him with these issues who must
> make sure the president has the right speech for the right occasion, whether
> or not he personally wrote the speech himself. So how it ought to work is
> that someone will type the speech, print it, place it on the pulpit before
> Mugabe ascends to the podium. This despite whether or not the president has
> kept a copy for himself. In my view, if anyone must go with immediate
> effect, it is definitely the speech writer or the head of his communication
> for being casual and not taking their salaried jobs seriously. Even then I
> would say firing who ever is responsible for this will amount to some kind
> of heavy handedness. Overall I think the issue of reading the wrong speech
> is for all intents and purposes trivial. I'm sure for any president, this
> would be the least oversight, which would not warrant calls for a leader to
> step down. I am not sure if age has anything to do with it. Even if it has,
> in the bigger scheme of things (I insist reading a wrong speech is a minor
> oversight, it is not even a transgression), does the reading of the speech
> outweighs all other political considerations for retaining the leader? I
> think not, instead my view is that the media has made sure to sensationalize
> this issue as they always do.
>
>
>> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:13:28 +0200
>> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
>> From: chargein...@gmail.com
>> To: payco@googlegroups.com
>>
>> It is not as easy as like that for him, comrade. If Mugabe goes, there
>> will be political upheaval in Zimbabwe. It will mean regime change.
>> His Inner Circle will have to go too. That will be costly. It is the
>> one forcing him to remain in power. It's a political marriage unti
>> death. .even if he wants to go but they are definitely telling not to
>> abandone them. They want Mugabe to rule until his last day on earth so
>> that they can turn him into a deity like Mandela, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung
>> to continue ruling and scare political rivals opposing them as
>> disrespecting Mugabe's last will and vision. This is exactly what is
>> going in PAC. Letlapa Mphahlele may be forced to remain PAC President
>> ev

RE: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-19 Thread Hulisani
Evening comrades, I wouldn't want to necessary venture into either side of the 
debate regarding whether or not Mugabe should leave as a matter of urgency. I 
think the speech incident is being blown out of proportion in so far as Mugabe 
is being blamed for the oversight. My understanding is that Mugabe has a 
communication team that assist him with these issues who must make sure the 
president has the right speech for the right occasion, whether or not he 
personally wrote the speech himself. So how it ought to work is that someone 
will type the speech, print it, place it on the pulpit before Mugabe ascends to 
the podium. This despite whether or not the president has kept a copy for 
himself. In my view, if anyone must go with immediate effect, it is definitely 
the speech writer or the head of his communication for being casual and not 
taking their salaried jobs seriously. Even then I would say firing who ever is 
responsible for this will amount to some kind of heavy handedness. Overall I 
think the issue of reading the wrong speech is for all intents and purposes 
trivial. I'm sure for any president, this would be the least oversight, which 
would not warrant calls for a leader to step down. I am not sure if age has 
anything to do with it. Even if it has, in the bigger scheme of things (I 
insist reading a wrong speech is a minor oversight, it is not even a 
transgression), does the reading of the speech outweighs all other political 
considerations for retaining the leader? I think not, instead my view is that 
the media has made sure to sensationalize this issue as they always do. 

 
> Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2015 11:13:28 +0200
> Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.
> From: chargein...@gmail.com
> To: payco@googlegroups.com
> 
> It is not as easy as like that for him, comrade. If Mugabe goes, there
> will be political upheaval in Zimbabwe. It will mean regime change.
> His Inner Circle will have to go too. That will be costly. It is the
> one forcing him to remain in power. It's a political marriage unti
> death. .even if he wants to go but they are definitely telling not to
> abandone them. They want Mugabe to rule until his last day on earth so
> that they can turn him into a deity like Mandela, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung
> to continue ruling and scare political rivals opposing them as
> disrespecting Mugabe's last will and vision. This is exactly what is
> going in PAC. Letlapa Mphahlele may be forced to remain PAC President
> even when the writing is on the wall for him. He will only voluntarily
> step down when his Inner Circle in his faction see it it fit. They
> know his downfall is also theirs. There will be regime change in the
> PAC too. Bangamafanankosi lamadoda! That's it. He cannot abandfone
> them at this stage. Not NOW! Thami Plaatjies did that. His reputation
> went to zero. His is now a declared traitor to his comrades-in-arms.
> Letlapa does not want to be in the same boat. It's about reputation,
> nothing more.
> 
> Understand Mugabe's dilemma comrade. Those who want him to go are
> vying for his inner circle and Zanu- his lehacy too. Remember: When
> you fire the CEO, you must also fire his inner circle too. You saw
> what happened Egyptian President Mubarak and his inner circle after he
> stepped down. They were under severe attack. Hence, the overthrow of
> the democratically elected President Morsi. Mubarak's regime made
> wrong calculation. Mugabe learned a lesson from President Mubara and
> Gaddafi. He doesn want the same to happen to him. I am sure President
> Zuma has similar fears. His enemies will call for his arrest for his
> role in Matabeleland crisis. Another problem is when Mugabe steps
> down, it will be chaos in Zim. Mugabe is a uniting figure for both
> Zanu and Zimbabwean people. If I was a Zanu member, I will oppose the
> move to force Mugabe to retire without a clear successor.
> Unforetunately, such a successor will not be Mugabe 2 You saw what
> happened to PAC when we said Makwetu must go without succession plan
> in place. It was and is still chaos in PAC till today. We all created
> the PAC chaos unaware and unconsciously. That is why we must all bear
> the consequences now.  It's our mess. We are to blame. PAC went from
> bad to worsE. Same will happen in Zimbabwe. If he dies in power,
> Zimbabweans can handle the transition with care and with the sensitive
> it deserves unlike if he resigns. Resigning will work in the interest
> of the enemies of Zimbabwe. Unfortunate, Zanu is losing good cadres
> like Joyce Mujuru in the meantime. Careerists, opportunists and agents
> are definitely exploitinbg the situation in Zimbabwe for their own
> hidden agendas. The true is, whether we like it or not,  the chaos in
> Zim will spill over to South Africa with positive and negative result

Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-18 Thread Linda Ndebele
It was indeed the most embarrassing moment. Succession has never been this 
urgent. The Old Man has played his part, let him hand over the baton.
Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you!

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Revolutionary greetings to all,

President Robert Mugabe delivered a State of the Nation Speech he had 
previously delivered.
It's time our good president calls it quits, this is a sign of senility.

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[PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-18 Thread Sebenzile Mlaza


Revolutionary greetings to all,

President Robert Mugabe delivered a State of the Nation Speech he had 
previously delivered.
It's time our good president calls it quits, this is a sign of senility.

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Re: [PAYCO] Time to call it quits for my Pres.

2015-09-18 Thread Chargein Mabaso
It is not as easy as like that for him, comrade. If Mugabe goes, there
will be political upheaval in Zimbabwe. It will mean regime change.
His Inner Circle will have to go too. That will be costly. It is the
one forcing him to remain in power. It's a political marriage unti
death. .even if he wants to go but they are definitely telling not to
abandone them. They want Mugabe to rule until his last day on earth so
that they can turn him into a deity like Mandela, Lenin, Mao Tse Tung
to continue ruling and scare political rivals opposing them as
disrespecting Mugabe's last will and vision. This is exactly what is
going in PAC. Letlapa Mphahlele may be forced to remain PAC President
even when the writing is on the wall for him. He will only voluntarily
step down when his Inner Circle in his faction see it it fit. They
know his downfall is also theirs. There will be regime change in the
PAC too. Bangamafanankosi lamadoda! That's it. He cannot abandfone
them at this stage. Not NOW! Thami Plaatjies did that. His reputation
went to zero. His is now a declared traitor to his comrades-in-arms.
Letlapa does not want to be in the same boat. It's about reputation,
nothing more.

Understand Mugabe's dilemma comrade. Those who want him to go are
vying for his inner circle and Zanu- his lehacy too. Remember: When
you fire the CEO, you must also fire his inner circle too. You saw
what happened Egyptian President Mubarak and his inner circle after he
stepped down. They were under severe attack. Hence, the overthrow of
the democratically elected President Morsi. Mubarak's regime made
wrong calculation. Mugabe learned a lesson from President Mubara and
Gaddafi. He doesn want the same to happen to him. I am sure President
Zuma has similar fears. His enemies will call for his arrest for his
role in Matabeleland crisis. Another problem is when Mugabe steps
down, it will be chaos in Zim. Mugabe is a uniting figure for both
Zanu and Zimbabwean people. If I was a Zanu member, I will oppose the
move to force Mugabe to retire without a clear successor.
Unforetunately, such a successor will not be Mugabe 2 You saw what
happened to PAC when we said Makwetu must go without succession plan
in place. It was and is still chaos in PAC till today. We all created
the PAC chaos unaware and unconsciously. That is why we must all bear
the consequences now.  It's our mess. We are to blame. PAC went from
bad to worsE. Same will happen in Zimbabwe. If he dies in power,
Zimbabweans can handle the transition with care and with the sensitive
it deserves unlike if he resigns. Resigning will work in the interest
of the enemies of Zimbabwe. Unfortunate, Zanu is losing good cadres
like Joyce Mujuru in the meantime. Careerists, opportunists and agents
are definitely exploitinbg the situation in Zimbabwe for their own
hidden agendas. The true is, whether we like it or not,  the chaos in
Zim will spill over to South Africa with positive and negative results
depending on the balance of forces in our country. It's a great
challenge, indeed.

On 9/18/15, Sebenzile Mlaza <sebenzi...@raf.co.za> wrote:
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> Revolutionary greetings to all,
>
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> previously delivered.
> It's time our good president calls it quits, this is a sign of senility.
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[PAYCO] We know who we are

2015-09-15 Thread Sebenzile Mlaza


Greetings once again Cde Mawethu,



This debate feels like we are having a discussion over a tape recorder as there 
is no "direct" engagement. I penned "Sarcastic anthropology" without an iota of 
doubt knowing how this conversation is going to end. It has happened before 
when a black man's thinking capacity was equated with the length of his hair.



Hypothetically speaking, say there's no dissenting voices, it's generally 
agreed that white people sprung from a black man's loins, which is a biological 
fact, who in turn "supposedly" descended from species like Homo Naledi, will 
that make it correct? No! For centuries such debates have been conceptualised 
and decided upon by a certain section of the human race shoving off other 
members of the same race to the rafters because of their hue. If by objecting 
that other nationalities should lead a conversion about blacks sounds divisive, 
by letting them is ostensibly an acceptance of (sub)humanity. A number of 
discoveries have been unearthed in the past. Fossils were named after their 
discoverer(s), lake(s) or site(s) or countries where they were discovered. This 
would occur after reconstruction. Here are a few: Australopithacus; 
Paranthropus; Heildelgensis; Homo ergaster; Homo habilis; Sinanthropus aka 
Peking man, Pithecantropus, Java man etc.



But the appellation bestowed to this small-brained species is subliminally 
suggestive of a specific section of the human race. I doubt there was a Naledi, 
which means star in Sesotho, amongst its discoverers, a stratagem they will try 
to employ in order to wriggle themselves out of this racist poppycock. Africans 
aught to brace themselves for some "experts" from "Non-Black" communities 
gaining gratuitous airtime on some various inebriated media platforms to 
propagate this "magnificent" discovery. Their argument, as it has already 
started, will be based on science versus religion - evolutionists and 
creationists. There'll be citing(s) of Darwinism and quoting(s) of the Bible. 
Us who oppose the Caucasian Adam and Eve of the Bible will find ourselves 
tacitly accepting that we evolved from baboons. Sounds like a catch 22 
situation, right???



It is only if we let business men-cum-politicians pose for photographs agreeing 
to this charade. On this the likes of Ramaphosa's voices are ultracrepidarian 
and should not carry any weight, we know who we are!!!


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[PAYCO] Sarcastic Anthropology.

2015-09-14 Thread 'Sebenzile Mlaza' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
> Revolutionary greetings to all,

>  Ramaphosa aka "Mr. R20 million Buffalo"and his white anthropologist 
> "friends" have implicitly ratified the Herrenvolks paralogism that man 
> evolved from baboons, in this case - a black man since this small-brained 
> species was discovered in Africa (according its cranial brain cavity.) It 
> took them almost 2 years to reveal this nonsense of disintegrated bones.
> Anthropology which is based on probabilities and peradventures is 
> pseudo-anthropology.
> Because that species is thought to have performed rituals for its dead it 
> doesn't qualify its sagacity.
> Example, go to sleep leaving a dead cricket on the floor, the next morning 
> you won't find it.
> At night its kind would come and fetch it, if not disturbed by any movement.
> Who knows what they're going to do with the dead "body?"
> My guess is they're going to bury it and perform the orthoptera ritual unique 
> to its kind.
> By the by, female crickets don't chirp, only male ones do and male mosquitoes 
> don't bite, they feed on nectar, only female ones suckle blood.
> Dr. Mathole Motshekga for once wore his pants and deviated from this rubbish 
> regardless of what his deputy president et al thought.

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Re: [PAYCO] Sarcastic Anthropology.

2015-09-14 Thread 'Sebenzile Mlaza' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
Evening Cde Mawethu,

Judging by the brain size of so-called Homo Naledi (this newly discovered 
allege distant relative of ours), it is quite obvious that Homo sapiens (us) 
are not directly descended from that species. Read this cognitively, some 
racist academics simply want to infer one conclusion that Africans descended 
this species - Homo Naledi. It is implausible that any branch of the human 
species direct descendants of the Homo Sapiens might have evolved from this 
species.  That is pure hogwash, period!!!

This is like sending a boy to do a man's job, cheap publicity for SA. Ramaphosa 
"Buffalo" knows nothing.
Were professor Tobias alive he would have dismissed this impropriety.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On 14 Sep 2015, at 4:34 PM, 'Mawethu Sidzamba' via Pan Africanist Youth 
> Congress <payco@googlegroups.com> wrote:
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> Dear Cde Sebenzile
> 
> I pretty much comprehend the valor contained in your argument. However for me 
> whether this discovery be valid or not it does perhaps bring us closer to the 
> realization of two things, firstly that Africans are the 
> longest/oldest-surviving human species in the world. Secondly it is also in 
> keeping with what Sobukwe said when heightening the single source of mankind. 
> In his speeches and explication of the largely misconstrued "one race the 
> human race", it is captured that "all Scientists agree that all men can trace 
> their ancestry to the first homo sapiens". In essence instead of this being 
> used to denigrate the Africans it can be used to prove the opposite logic 
> that will locate all racialists in their place.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, September 14, 2015 2:44 PM, 'Sebenzile Mlaza' via Pan Africanist 
> Youth Congress <payco@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> > Revolutionary greetings to all,
> 
> >  Ramaphosa aka "Mr. R20 million Buffalo"and his white anthropologist 
> > "friends" have implicitly ratified the Herrenvolks paralogism that man 
> > evolved from baboons, in this case - a black man since this small-brained 
> > species was discovered in Africa (according its cranial brain cavity.) It 
> > took them almost 2 years to reveal this nonsense of disintegrated bones.
> > Anthropology which is based on probabilities and peradventures is 
> > pseudo-anthropology.
> > Because that species is thought to have performed rituals for its dead it 
> > doesn't qualify its sagacity.
> > Example, go to sleep leaving a dead cricket on the floor, the next morning 
> > you won't find it.
> > At night its kind would come and fetch it, if not disturbed by any movement.
> > Who knows what they're going to do with the dead "body?"
> > My guess is they're going to bury it and perform the orthoptera ritual 
> > unique to its kind.
> > By the by, female crickets don't chirp, only male ones do and male 
> > mosquitoes don't bite, they feed on nectar, only female ones suckle blood.
> > Dr. Mathole Motshekga for once wore his pants and deviated from this 
> > rubbish regardless of what his deputy president et al thought.
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[PAYCO] EMAIL ACCOUNT HACKED mphi...@gmail.com

2015-08-05 Thread Mphiri Masoga
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Be advised that my email account has been hacked and the illegal activities are 
taking place, please do not give your Account Details, once you receive it 
please delete immediately. 

The message was send to all my contacts and read as follows:  

Hello, please follow here and download the payment release documents I sent to 
you using Tripod Docs, also confirm your Bank account information so that we 
can proceed immediately on the down payment. I eagerly await your speedy 
response.


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[PAYCO] Fwd: Corruption in South Africa Is A Major Obstacle and Has Reached A Tipping Point

2015-07-23 Thread Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi
. The challenges are enormous, but
the opportunity is there. This has been made possible, conversely, by the
greed and machinations of Capital itself -- as the bosses seek to reduce
American workers' pay, increase their hours, and slash their benefits, they
have themselves created a revolutionary situation.

Management is very aware of this situation, however -- which is why there
has been a proliferation of empowerment sessions and team-building
initiatives in companies, where they seek to buy off the workers they still
retain with union-style benefits without the unions. In other words, the
appearance of empowerment, versus actual workplace empowerment. This
masterful PR effort by management reveals the extent to which they'll go to
see unionism finally destroyed. Companies want workers to think they're on
the same team as their bosses, the way business unions believe. But it's a
lie, and always will be.

No amount of bogus empowerment conferences can change the static
environment in which workers operate -- where all initiative comes from
above, and where their pay continues to stagnate, and they are forced to
work longer hours in increasingly precarious jobs. Fear is what binds the
non-union workplace, just as solidarity is what holds together the union
shop.

Will this continue indefinitely? I don't believe it will. It can't, because
working people are being screwed right and left by management, no matter
how many happy faces they try to put on their schemes. It simply isn't part
of human nature to take it on the chin so many times without wanting to
take a few swings yourself. Big Business has had it coming for a long time
-- with the State behind them, they've grown arrogant with power, and think
they can grind people into the ground with impunity. This can't go on
forever.

The challenge for the revolutionary unionist is to adapt to these new
conditions and bring real improvements in the lives of workers. One thing
that killed revolutionary unionism in the past was the inability of such
unions to consistently bring real benefits to working people -- something
business unions could do in the form of contracts and pay increases. The
new revolutionary union will have to keep a focus on meat and potatoes
issues at the same time it focuses on actual radical unionizing efforts.

Business unionism is dead; it just doesn't know it yet. It will keep losing
as we move through this transitional period of the globalization of
Capital. Does this mean there's no hope for working folks? Not at all -- it
only means there is no middle ground between Labor and Capital -- a
position mistakenly occupied by the business unionists. It will mean that
the revolutionary union, so long considered a fossil of a bygone age, will
become the only possible avenue left for working people who want a real say
in what goes on in the workplace

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[PAYCO] Fw: African tweeted: Not many countries {Globally} can touch South Africa with hosting big events @DIRCO_ZA @ClaysonMonyela @Brand_SA @AUSummit

2015-06-10 Thread Mphiri Masoga

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Subject: African tweeted: Not many countries {Globally} can touch South
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[PAYCO] Facebook newsfeed post by: Kgole Mokone Tumelo

2015-06-10 Thread Mphiri Masoga
Kgole Mokone Tumelo wrote:

Revolutionary greetings
 PAC takes this opportunity to invite all party structures and the community 
members at large to the June 16 commemoration rally which will be held at:
 Venue: Constitutional Hill (Braamfontein, Johannesburg)
 Time: 10h00 am
 Date: 16 June 2015
Transport Information
From Vaal (Sharpville monument and Sebokeng) to Constitutional Hill
Contact Person: Brian 0719121650

From Tembisa (Mashego's Office, Bp garage in zwazi-in) via Daveyton (Daveyton 
Mall and Etwatwa) to constitutional Hill
Contact Person: Chidi 0826103803

From Springs Kwa-thema (civic centre, duduza rank and tsakane) to 
Constitutional Hill
Contact Person:Oupa Silas Oupa Ditle 0833592413 and Khumalo 
0715582181/0788742572
From Tshwane to Constitutional Hill
Contact people: Mphiri Masoga: 0731822656 and Mokoena 0725492145
From Mpumalanga (Siyabuswa) to Constitutional Hill
Contact Person: Maoka 0720205127
 Your attendance will be highly appreciated.
Izwe-lethu
kind Regards, 

Mphiri Masoga 
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[PAYCO] [New post] OPERATION ALIAS STILSTAND THUNDERSTORM CRIPPLED THE PEOPLES PARTY!!!

2015-06-06 Thread Hulisani
  












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[PAYCO] FW: List of BANKS OWNED by the ROTHSCHILD FAMILY

2015-06-04 Thread Hulisani
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Namibia: Bank of Namibia

Nepal: Central Bank of Nepal

Netherlands: Netherlands Bank

Netherlands Antilles: Bank of the Netherlands Antilles

New Zealand: Reserve Bank of New Zealand

Nicaragua: Central Bank of Nicaragua

Niger: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)

Nigeria: Central Bank of Nigeria

Norway: Central Bank of Norway

Oman: Central Bank of Oman

Pakistan: State Bank of Pakistan

Papua New Guinea: Bank of Papua New Guinea

Paraguay: Central Bank of Paraguay

Peru: Central Reserve Bank of Peru

Philip Pines: Bangko Sentral ng Pilipinas

Poland: National Bank of Poland

Portugal: Bank of Portugal

Qatar: Qatar Central Bank

Romania: National Bank of Romania

Rwanda: National Bank of Rwanda

San Marino: Central Bank of the Republic of San Marino

Samoa: Central Bank of Samoa

Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency

Senegal: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)

Serbia: National Bank of Serbia

Seychelles: Central Bank of Seychelles

Sierra Leone: Bank of Sierra Leone

Singapore: Monetary Authority of Singapore

Slovakia: National Bank of Slovakia

Slovenia: Bank of Slovenia

Solomon Islands: Central Bank of Solomon Islands

South Africa: South African Reserve Bank

Spain: Bank of Spain

Sri Lanka: Central Bank of Sri Lanka

Sudan: Bank of Sudan

Surinam: Central Bank of Suriname

Swaziland: The Central Bank of Swaziland

Sweden: Sveriges Riksbank

Switzerland: Swiss National Bank

Tajikistan: National Bank of Tajikistan

Tanzania: Bank of Tanzania

Thailand: Bank of Thailand

Togo: Central Bank of West African States (BCEAO)

Tonga: National Reserve Bank of Tonga

Trinidad and Tobago: Central Bank of Trinidad and Tobago

Tunisia: Central Bank of Tunisia

Turkey: Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey

Uganda: Bank of Uganda

Ukraine: National Bank of Ukraine

United Arab Emirates: Central Bank of United Arab Emirates

United Kingdom: Bank of England (Mother Central Bank)

United States: Federal Reserve, Federal Reserve Bank of New York

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[PAYCO] Fw: Now target FIFA on Twitter

2015-05-28 Thread Mphiri Masoga

kind Regards, 

Mphiri Masoga 
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From: The Walk Free Team t...@walkfree.org
Date: Thu, 28 May 2015 16:57:10 
To: mphi...@gmail.com
Subject: Now target FIFA on Twitter

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http://www.e-activist.com/ea-campaign/action.retrievefile.do?ea.client.id=1786amp;ea_filename=hsi-email-logo-2013.jpg
 

Dear Mphiri,

 Thank you for calling on FIFA to tackle the modern slavery that is fuelling 
the Qatar 2022 World Cup. 

In the next few hours, we have an important window of opportunity to really 
keep the pressure up on FIFA before the organisation elects its President. 

Sepp Blatter is hoping to hold on for another term but Prince Ali bin 
al-Hussein from Jordan is challenging his leadership. We think the next FIFA 
president should be someone who will prioritise ending slavery on World Cup 
construction sites -- and we think you'll agree.

Can you take a moment to send a message to the FIFA Congress on Twitter asking 
them to use their vote wisely to help end slavery on World Cup construction 
sites in Qatar? 
http://www.ituc-csi.org/?page=tweetyamp;id_camp=586amp;lang=en 

Thank you for all that you do,

The Walk Free team

P.S. If you’re not on Twitter, please forward the message below:

Hi, 

Right now FIFA is under intense scrutiny -- several officials have just been 
arrested on corruption charges and the football body is about to elect its new 
President. This could be our chance to get the organisation to take ending 
slavery on Qatar World Cup construction sites seriously. 

Please join me in sending a message demanding action: 
http://www.walkfree.org/?post_type=campaignamp;p=1032amp;utm_source=tafamp;utm_medium=emailamp;utm_campaign=fifa

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[PAYCO] Power FM: Freedom Stalwart Series - Cde. Jaki Seroke

2015-05-03 Thread Hulisani






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[PAYCO] Pan-African Alliance » Nation Building: A Historical Context

2015-04-25 Thread Mphiri Masoga

http://www.panafricanalliance.com/nation-building/?utm_source=ReviveOldPostutm_medium=socialutm_campaign=ReviveOldPost

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[PAYCO] Fw: list of co-ordinators

2015-04-22 Thread Mphiri Masoga

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Mphiri Masoga 
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-Original Message-
From: Admin @ Pac ad...@pac.org.za
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:15:41 
To: mphi...@gmail.com
Subject: FW: list of co-ordinators 

 

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[PAYCO] PAC's Mark Shinners taught president Zuma English

2015-04-22 Thread 'Sebenzile Mlaza' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress


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 This man taught Zuma English
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 Vicky Somniso-Abraham
 image001.jpg
 Former Robben Island political prisoner Mark Shinners speaks to The Citizen 
 in Tshwane, 17 April 2015. Picture: Refilwe Modise
 Meet Mark Shinners, a former political prisoner who taught President Jacob 
 Zuma junior certificate (JC) English while they were incarcerated on Robben 
 Island.
 Shinners, 71, prisoner number 493/63 on Robben Island, is among the 
 ex-political prisoners who built the late president Nelson Mandela’s prison 
 cell prior to his arrival on the island.
 He revealed to The Citizen President Zuma and the late minister of safety and 
 security Steve Tshwete were in his English class.
 Shinners, a member of the Pan African Congress (PAC) and Zuma, a member of 
 Umkhonto We Sizwe – although they were members of different political 
 organisations and lived in different regions – were sent to Robben Island for 
 conspiring to overthrow the apartheid government.
 They were both sentenced to 10 years’ imprisonment.
 Shinners said a large number of PAC members and a few from the ANC arrived on 
 Robben Island early in 1963. Zuma arrived later that year. He and Shinners 
 were locked up in Cell B3. Although Cell 1 was a designated study cell, the 
 underground studies took place in Cell B3.
 Shinners described the young Zuma as a well-disciplined and loyal freedom 
 fighter.
 He said despite the age difference, Zuma was more than willing to be taught.
 “He showed maturity and discipline while he was in prison. On the island, you 
 are trained to listen and listen carefully – and I can still see those 
 elements in him. Zuma does not panic when faced by difficult circumstances. 
 Even on Robben Island, when the boers came down hard on us, we remained calm 
 and laughed about it,” he chuckled.
 Although there were qualified teachers – such as Jeff Masemola who served 
 life imprisonment on the island – those who served shorter sentences were 
 released earlier.
 Therefore, Shinners and others had to teach their fellow prisoners.
 Shinners had a junior certificate and taught Zuma, Tshwete and others 
 “construction of sentences, sentence and clause analysis and syntax”.
 “Zuma was very diligent, always neat and making sure he performed his tasks 
 and submitted his assignments on time,”  he recalled.
 “People underestimate him. He may not be certificated but clearly the man is 
 highly intelligent. He said he was a herdboy before he went to prison – and 
 look at where he is now.
 “He is a self-taught man, very cautious and very structured – unlike Higher 
 Education Minister Blade Nzimande. That’s what makes me feel ‘that’s my 
 student’ every time he addresses the audience, because we know where he 
 learnt that.
 “People may say he is struggling but we, who know where he comes from, 
 understand.”
 Shinners said Zuma was barely literate when he arrivedj in prison but “when 
 he left prison he had a complete different personality; he was quite 
 confident of himself”.
 vi...@citizen.co.za
  
 Source: http://citizen.co.za/367492/this-man-taught-zuma-english/
  

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Re: [PAYCO] WHAT WENT WRONG WITH AZANIA (SA) BURNING by Bulayo News on-line

2015-04-21 Thread Tom Oreje
Masoga,

Brother, the rest of africa is reacting!  

Will south Africa be comfortable again in isolation?

Right now, none of South African citizens can dare say, in a foreign country, 
that they are south African, the pride is gone and violence is knocking at your 
door. 

And all these because of a 'king'? I pity you. 

Cheers.

  Original Message  
From: Mphiri Masoga
Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:26 PM
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Subject: [PAYCO] WHAT WENT WRONG WITH AZANIA (SA) BURNING by Bulayo News on-line


What went wrong with SA independence to turn their anger and hate on foreigners?
by Nomazulu Thata
18 April 2015 | 1887 Views
What went wrong with South African independence to turn their anger and hate on 
foreigners? Naomi Klein chronologies some facets of a stolen revolution: Shock 
doctrine

Reconciliation means that those who have been on the underside of history must 
see that there is a qualitative difference between repression and freedom.  And 
for them, freedom translates into having a supply of clean water, having a good 
job, to be able to send your children to school and to have accessible health 
care. I mean, what's the point of having made this transition if the quality of 
life of these people is not enhanced and improved? If not, the vote is 
useless.  These are the words of Archbishop Tutu verbatim, Chair of South 
Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, 2001. Taken from the book: Shock 
doctrine by Naomi Klein.

Naomi Klein, the writer of Shock Doctrine follows the economic and political 
developments that took place in South Africa following the release of Nelson 
Mandela from prison in 1990. Her analysis on SA could give us some clue as to 
what happened to the revolution in SA? Who benefited from the independence, why 
do people feel betrayed, do they know they got betrayed?  Now it seems the 
betrayal, the hate and anger are openly, is nakedly vomited on the foreigners. 
They are to blame! They must leave South Africa or else they will be killed!

When Mandela was released from prison in 1990, February the 12th, he came to a 
world that had changed from what it was in 1963 before he went to prison. He 
arrived to a new generational South Africa, New Africa and a new world order. 
The socialist revolutionary movements the whole world had ceased to exist. The 
Berlin Wall had fallen and as a result the cold war over. Che Guevara had died 
long back, President Salvado Allende of Chile died in a coup in 1973, President 
Samora Machel of Mozambique died of a plane crash in October 1986. The 
repression at Tiananmen Square was crushed and communism in China collapsed, 
says Naomi in her Shock Doctrine. But what Mandela still had firm in his mind 
when he left the prison door of Robin Island, was power of the Freedom Charter, 
policies that he had worked on with other ANC stalwarts before he went to 
prison and the document spread like fire to almost all peoples of South Africa, 
everyone in the revolution was convinced that it was a document to free the 
people of South Africa from political and economic oppression. ANC policies had 
its roots, its values its principles enshrined in the Freedom Charter, a live 
and timeless document adopted in 1955. The objectives of this noble document 
were, 

 - Landless people and dispossessed people should be given land
 - Workers should be given livable wages and shorter working hours
 - There should be free and compulsory education for all 
 - Right to freedom of movement irrespective of color race, creed and 
nationality
 - Share the country's wealth of land, gold and diamonds
 - Banks mineral wealth monopoly of industries shall be controlled to assist 
the wellbeing of the people

Before South Africa's democratic independence in 1994, South Africa had an 
economic system that perpetuated racism, and it implemented economic returns 
that were only to be enjoyed by the few white elite. The cheap labor they got 
forcefully from the black population nurtured the economy and it boosted, 
making South Africa the largest economy in the African continent. White people 
were paid ten times more than blacks doing the same job description. According 
to Naomi Klein, South Africa was a country with California living standards for 
the whites and Congo living standards for the black people. Mandela's release 
from prison could have sparked an economic collapse and civil war at the same 
time. He had to balance those forces never to be out of hand and explode into 
total civil war and chaos. The National Party of F. W. De Klerk provoked this 
scenario to prove that blacks were not capable of governing such a huge economy 
like South Africa. It was a two lane negotiation process; political and 
economical. Mandela and Ramaphosa, together with his ANC team had to negotiate 
the political independence from the hands of the few whites to the majority of 
South Africans

RE: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC MARCHES COUNTRYWIDE FOR RELEASE OF ITS APLA COMRADES

2015-04-21 Thread July
Noted 

-Original Message-
From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com
Sent: ‎2015-‎04-‎20 04:01 PM
To: payco@googlegroups.com payco@googlegroups.com
Subject: [PAYCO] Fwd: PAC MARCHES COUNTRYWIDE FOR RELEASE OF ITS APLA COMRADES



Regards, 


electronically signed 


Mphiri Masoga 
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Revolutionary Greetings , 
 
 
 
Please receive the attached letter and  circulate it to other members who want 
to attend the march on the 24th April 2015.
 
 
 
 
 
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Fax : 086 527 0380
Email : ad...@pac.org.za
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[PAYCO] UNCONDITIONAL RELEASE OF PAC/APLA POLITICAL PRISONERS - ALL SYSTEMS GONE FRIDAY 24th APRIL 2014

2015-04-19 Thread Mphiri Masoga

Gauteng Protest Action - March to Tshwane: Open invitation to Civil Society, 
Trade Unions, Churches, Individuals, all Socialist Formations Students and 
Progressive Political Formations to heed a call by the Pan Africanist Congress 
of Azania calling on the ANC Government to release All 103 PAC/APLA Political 
Prisoners who were sentenced by National Party Apartheid Government to Death 
and Life sentences and so on to be Unconditionally Released including those who 
were Paroled  to be Free indeed not Partially, conditions set on them be 
removed. Secondly the March will be on Xenophobia that shame our Continent by 
South Africans and add our Voice and demand that Xenophobia be declared State 
of Emergency Military Forces be deployed in all Areas where Attacks take place. 

Intelligence be deployed to detect any attacks that may occur in future and 
Fold them. Interrogate those involved and point at their accomplices.

 Please Join the March 24th April 2015, Marchers are expected to converge at 
Marabastad Old Putco Depot from 08:00 , the March officially depart 10:00 sharp 
to Union Buildings and move to Department of Justice and Constitutional 
Development to hand over Memorandum and give them 7 Days to Respond and begin 
with the process of Releasing PAC/APLA Cadres and uplift Conditions to those on 
Parole. 

Please SUPPORT SUPPORT and circulate to all your contacts via Facebook, emails, 
sms, Twitter, by word of Mouth,BBM, etc

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[PAYCO] The king's myopic comments ignited violence

2015-04-16 Thread Sebenzile Mlaza


Revolutionary greetings to all,



King Zwelithini may be pardoned for reasons known to us but the same cannot be 
said about the coterie of revolutionary quacks of his fellow charterists 
friends in the upper echelons of the KwaZulu-Natal legislature and elsewhere in 
the country that surround him. I heard exactly what the king said pertaining 
foreigners. He may deny it now that things are gone out of hand in 
KwaZulu-Natal and in some parts of Johannesburg and surrounding areas, his 
comments were clearly xenophobic.



No amount of irresponsible and blinkered spin-doctoring will change that. He 
was not quoted out of context in any way. No matter how anybody may have read 
his statement, it was antagonistic and flame near a keg of myopic thoughts. 
Senior government officials were present in that gathering when he blurted 
them. The least they did was to laugh after every xenophobic utterances he made.



That's why in pre-historic Afrika, Nigeria in particular, kingship was not 
based on primogeniture or ultimogeniture, it was voted for  to be rotational 
and based on sagacity.
Were I the law I'd lock him up for inciting violence to prove nobody is above 
the law!!!

Attached herein also find the exact link of what the king said: 
http://www.timeslive.co.za/local/2015/04/16/listen-to-exactly-what-king-goodwill-zwelithini-said-about-foreigners


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[PAYCO] Tweet from @sekiti1968

2015-03-29 Thread Mphiri Masoga
PAC/APLA CADRES LANGUISHING IN JAIL 
@sekiti1968: Dont they deserve to be 
released?http://justice.gov.za/trc/hrvtrans/s…


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[PAYCO] 21 March 2015

2015-03-18 Thread 'Xola George Tyamzashe' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
  

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[PAYCO] Tweet from @PapuanPrisoners

2015-03-13 Thread Mphiri Masoga
@PapuanPrisoners: RT to stop police/military brutality in #Papua. 
#AllLivesMatter #Stand4HumanRights http://pic.twitter.com/SvIA1ZJowI


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[PAYCO] Tweet from @SABCNewsOnline

2015-03-09 Thread Mphiri Masoga
@SABCNewsOnline: Video | Litigation in the public health sector - has reached 
crisis proportions: Motsoaledi http://ift.tt/1BZfpoy


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[PAYCO] Tweet from @IamMzilikazi

2015-03-08 Thread Mphiri Masoga
@IamMzilikazi: “One who wants to create a future must not forget the past.” ~ 
Muziwakhe Limbede


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[PAYCO] Tweet from @IamMzilikazi

2015-03-08 Thread Mphiri Masoga
@IamMzilikazi: “Our children may learn about the heroes of the past. Our task 
is to make ourselves the architects of the future.” ~ Jomo Kenyatta


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[PAYCO] Tweet from @IamMzilikazi

2015-03-08 Thread Mphiri Masoga
@IamMzilikazi: Africa will write its own history, and it will be, to the north 
and to the south of the Sahara, a history of glory and dignity.” ~ Lumumba


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[PAYCO] : Gogo making a difference to the needy kids!

2015-03-05 Thread Thomo Nkgadima
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She started teaching learners with thorn clothes sewing and giving food
parcels to the needy kids of Nwa  Vangani Primary school in Mamelodi
outside Pretoria.
Gogo Virginia Nkomo(64), a mother of two children. Now uses her pension
grand money to make a difference to the lives of the less fortunate.
She was touched one of the good days when she saw young kids wearing
mutilated and thorn clothes. She did not sleep a peaceful sleep that night
until she decided to do something that will make a difference. Since then
she soldiered on and never turned back!
She learned the skill from her mother some years ago.
For the past eight years Gogo Nkomo teach learners of grade R to grade 7 on
Monday morning and Fridays for about an hour without any reward. She also
spend her time preaching the word of God to kids at the school.She is a
spiritual leader an Evangelist.
She is also spending her pension grand to buy sewing material and food
parcel to feed the poor kids.
She said:  I am happy that they will be able to clothe themselves in
future  using the skill I impart on them.
According to the school principal Rodney Nkwinika learners would not bother
to buy new clothes unnecessary as they are empowered with sewing skills to
make their own clothes and  fix those of my siblings.
He said : It will make sense that our learners cannot focus in the
classroom with empty stomach.
 About the outstanding contribution Gogo Nkomo make to his school the
principal explained : We believe she is also God send, she contribute to
the well-being of our learners providing them clothes and food parcels. She
is also giving spiritual guidance and moral support during our morning
assembly.
The school was established in 1973 after the Zulu and Tsonga speaking
people fought for the establishment of the school. it is a Tsonga name
meaning Fighting!
Now the school is having 490 kids and 16 staff members.
Dakalo Sello(9) grade 9 learner said :  I am excited, I could sew my own
clothes this days and mend old ones.
Gogo she is known by many in Mamelodi as Mma Nkomo for her charity work
including community spiritual work as a lay woman preacher.

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[PAYCO] TRIBUTE TO THE LATE ISAAC SAKI MAFATSHE FROM DEPUTY CHIEF JUSTICE DIKGANG MOSENEKE

2015-03-05 Thread 'Xola George Tyamzashe' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress
TO: THE FAMILY OF CDE ISAAC MAFATSHE , OTHER MOURNERS AND COMPATRIOTS 
I write this tribute to Comrade Isaac “Sakkie” Mafatshe with a heavy heart. I 
gathered on Tuesday afternoon that UmAfrika Sakkie had left us after a period 
of brief illness. The reality of his departure dawned on me when I visited his 
home yesterday to pay homage to the family. He has indeed passed on. I grew up 
with Sakkie in Atteridgeville. We are of the same generation. He was only two 
years older than me. Whilst at secondary school we gained political 
consciousness together. His intellect surprised me. In the early 1960’s at the 
ages 13 and 14 he had started reading The Africanist a mouth piece of the Pan 
Africanist Congress and New Age a mouthpiece of the African National Congress. 
He talked about the Chinese revolution and about Cde. Maotse Dong. Together we 
attended political ideology classes at Cde Ike Mafole’s home in Maraba Street 
and Cde Jafta Masemola’s residence in Tlale Street. We were together arrested 
by security police in the dawn of Sharpeville Day, 21 March 1963 for activities 
of the Pan Africanist Congress. We were tried together with 14 other activists 
in the Synagogue and he picked up 10 years imprisonment as myself and UmAfrika 
Mark Shinners. As it is well known, in the same trial. Uncle Jeff Masemola and 
John Nkosi were sentenced to life imprisonment.
On Robben Island, Cde Sakkie continued to amaze with his gift to debate 
difficult ideological issues of our struggle. He then cared little for formal 
education but chose deep self-education by reading progressive writing 
particularly on revolution and how to establish a just and equal society. He 
carried imprisonment with fortitude whilst his conviction as an Africanist 
became even deeper. Se se sa feleng sa hlola! Ten years on Robben Island came 
to an end. On his return, Sakkie’s family had left Atteridgeville for Mabopane. 
He chose to advance the struggle in exile where he assumed a leadership role 
immediately on arrival in Tanzania.
UmAfrika Mafatshe was a revolutionary of a high order. His tenacity and the 
will to destroy apartheid and colonial oppression was amazing. His bravery knew 
no limits. As we all know, the PAC infiltrated him back into the country in the 
late 1970’s to re-awaken underground structures of the PAC within the country. 
That was a very risky assignment. He carried it out and left the country before 
he was napped by the security forces.
He was a remarkable Azanain whose contribution to our long and arduous struggle 
we must celebrate and must not be in vain.
Robala ka Kagiso , Mafatshe.
Dikgang Moseneke

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