Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
I have to say that this initiative Cde Linda, has to be supported and I am sure there are many who support it except those of our members who are beholden and pocket owned. This we must understand, and they will be rescued from the claws of the hyenas in time but we have to move the PAC off the idling state. This particularly has my support given its focus on a radicalisation program of action. If this effort will be categorised as a faction, it is one and the only one I will gladly associate myself with !!! I also think all involved must be ruthless in the intolerance of mediocrity and the ideological nonsense going on in the party, including some statements made in the name of the PAC which are at total variance with the ideological stance of the party. It is the nice nice approach that has made all of us complicit in the assassination of the party. There has to be a certain level of 'madness' in resolving our state especially because the game is not inside but outside of the PAC. The people need leadership. They are confronting the system bare knuckles, and the regime is killing, only these socalled NEC want to wage a suit and tie struggle. Those who wish to defend the current mediocrity due to the 10 shilling support they get from it, we will rescue them as the train moves. The clock has been ticking for sometime now, and I for one commend the effort and urge you and team to up the heat. Those who see leadership as a suit and tie, and as an office and pen struggle, they must continue on that line but should be informed that they represent themselves. They have veered off the PAC historical mandate, only to pursue personal prestige never wanting to uproot the system. We must not seek to administer the system better, we must uproot it through all means legal and non legal. Only these mediocres want to be gentle. Even the regime is operating illegally, killing and destroying our people 's lives. Yes you are right, that this liberal girlish apology line being pursued cannot be in our name. Those who are beholden to 10 shillings can differ with us here and quitely support us in the quiteness of their homes, we will rescue them as we move. We understand their difficulty. Those with wrong sheepish approach to the ruling elite must not do it in our name, they should form an NGO to pursue that. It is not costly to form an NGO. Let the date for the end of November meeting be decided and we shall attend and nothing should stop us from radicalising the party to confront the regime. The pretence that people are against the system must cease, we must now go for the jagular, and if need be water this new page with our blood just as ordinary people are already doing !! As for journalistic question and answer sessions, and a request for further particulars' approach by some here, I will advise that the focus should be on the essence and the key message, a message of a Program of Action aimed at confronting and millitarisation. Izwe Lethu Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Morning Linda Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting where were the current Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former Presidents of that meeting? As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left the organisation and or are operating outside party fold. What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called faction or grouping? Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your correspondence, on what capacity are you writing kind Regards, Mphiri Masoga SACWU PTA Tel : 012 320 6472 Fax : 012 320 2179 Fax2Email: 0862254254 Cell : 0731822656 -Original Message- From: Linda Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Revolutionary greetings, To all PAC members and structures: After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this past Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to correct and radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic liberal path. We resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring solutions to the party 's faction-based and leadership capacity challenges. The meeting widens in scope at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The Saturday meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by former Payco Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading PAC figures. Key resolutions
RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
Cde Masoga I Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi, formed part of the meeting reported by Cde Linda Ndebele, all comrades who attended the meeting on the 15th October 2014 are PAC members in as far as I recalled none of them were expelled nor terminated their PAC membership. However, who attended the meeting is immaterial what is substantive is to arrest the disintegration of the PAC by feuds and self selving individuals pursuing rightist political line. The most basic and straightforward aspect that must be addressed and agreed to is:- 1. Unity of PAC branches and members for the seizure of state political power and establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy; 2. We need a mediation team to facilitate dissolution of parallel structures across the country and organisation of an inclusive national conference of PAC; 3. To form a Programme of Action Team which will undertake to develop a political Programme of Action to advance and establish an Africanist Socialist Democracy; 4. Any person against unity of PAC members must be denounced by PAC Branches and members; Cde Masoga, you either agree with the above four (4) points or not! Please do not play the person by avoiding the ball. The continuing disunity in the PAC is heavely undermining execution of the 1959 Pan Africanist Manifesto and this must be stopped, PAC Must Rise To Lead And To Govern Azaia! Shango lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mphiri Masoga Sent: 27 October 2014 11:59 AM To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Morning Linda Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting where were the current Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former Presidents of that meeting? As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left the organisation and or are operating outside party fold. What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called faction or grouping? Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your correspondence, on what capacity are you writing kind Regards, Mphiri Masoga SACWU PTA Tel : 012 320 6472 Fax : 012 320 2179 Fax2Email: 0862254254 Cell : 0731822656 -Original Message- From: Linda Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Revolutionary greetings, To all PAC members and structures: After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this past Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to correct and radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic liberal path. We resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring solutions to the party 's faction-based and leadership capacity challenges. The meeting widens in scope at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The Saturday meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by former Payco Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading PAC figures. Key resolutions taken include the following: 1.To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2.To form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist Socialist Democracy 3.To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the three feuding factions 4.Call for the convening of an All Inclusive Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a National Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5.To call for the three purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 6. Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and veterans In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members to join us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a radical revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the aggressive resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as the principal means. It is a call not to be missed !! Linda K Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com
RE: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
M'Afrika Percy In as much one wishes to answer your question, the failure to answer is carried within your own question because of the following anormalies that occurred, without being dragged and drawn into internal feuding details, what is confronting us is the forward movement of the PAC. Hence, we posit before all members that it is imminent that PAC branches and members denounce anyone advocating Anti-Unity, secondly we urge all PAC branches and members to unite on the basis of a Programme of Action for the Seizure of State Political Power to Advance and Establish the Africanist Socialist Democracy! Hence we urge and appeal with all PAC Branches and members to organise inclusive regional and provincial conferences as we engage the three (3) feuding NECs to unite on the basis of Programme of Action! Rena Ga Re Nyake Ditshele, Re Nyaka Revolution! Shnago Lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgaudi -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of percy motswaledi Sent: 27 October 2014 03:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mphiri Masoga Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Day MoAfrika Linda its Lion of Azania Here Mr Mphiri Masoga is attacking you in public Platform and with Emmotions i want us to enterogate his Emotions because they may have different meaning and this time i am sure one covers his failures and its a petty that people look at their stomach and forget about the Broather Movement, From me, The Meeting that discuss the revaival of PAC is Relevant that to interogate the status od the Meeting, i have a quetion YOU all, Who is PAc president and what is he doing to build the Party,if he is doing some thing, where is he doing it, that man he is Invisible and we wand Visibility. Now my suggestion is Stop Harassing the Frastrated Africans and Champion real challenges affecting p[eople and Start with Ebola On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 + Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com wrote Good Morning Linda Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting where were the current Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former Presidents of that meeting? As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left the organisation and or are operating outside party fold. What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called faction or grouping? Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your correspondence, on what capacity are you writingkind Regards, Mphiri Masoga SACWU PTA Tel : 012 320 6472 Fax : 012 320 2179 Fax2Email: 0862254254 Cell : 0731822656 -Original Message- From: Linda Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Revolutionary greetings, To all PAC members and structures: After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this past Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to correct and radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic liberal path. We resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring solutions to the party 's faction-based and leadership capacity challenges. The meeting widens in scope at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The Saturday meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by former Payco Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading PAC figures. Key resolutions taken include the following: 1.To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2. To form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist Socialist Democracy 3. To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the three feuding factions 4.Call for the convening of an All Inclusive Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a National Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5.To call for the three purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 6.Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and veterans In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members to join us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a radical revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the aggressive resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as the principal means. It is a call not to be missed !! Linda K Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe
Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
Cde Mphiri, My apologies for responding late. I have been driving for the last 4 hours and could not respond in time to your enquiries. I wrote the communique as the co-convener of the meeting and former President of PAYCO who is really concerned about the state of the party. We are committed party members who want the PAC to re-establish its original mandate, of being a revolutionary socialist movement, that seeks to overturn the current capitalist society and create an Africanist Socialist democracy. We are not outside the party at all. Currently we have 3 feuding NEC's, Letlapa's NEC, Mphethi's NEC and Narious-Mbinda NEC. We don't believe this situation is good for the party hence this intervention. We are party members, if our party is under attack we would not ask anyone's permission to defend it. We have a duty to defend the legacy of PAC pioneers and the future of African people. We are revolutionary Pan Africanist and members of the PAC who have led party structures at different level. We are cadres who believe party members must be rallied and mobilized around a Programme of Action as opposed to personalities and factions. We shall have many engagements with party members through social networks, communique's, visits in different branches, regions, provinces and other national gatherings. We shall be everywhere where PAC is discussed to ensure that the agenda is programme of action, seizure of state power and Unification of Africa not personalities and factional agendas. We want to lead a revolt not to assimilate to the parliamentary nonsense that different factions are fighting over. PAC needs to lead real revolution not tokenism. Hope you will find this in order. Linda Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -Original Message- From: Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 To: payco@googlegroups.compayco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Morning Linda Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting where were the current Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former Presidents of that meeting? As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left the organisation and or are operating outside party fold. What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called faction or grouping? Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your correspondence, on what capacity are you writing kind Regards, Mphiri Masoga SACWU PTA Tel : 012 320 6472 Fax : 012 320 2179 Fax2Email: 0862254254 Cell : 0731822656 -Original Message- From: Linda Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Revolutionary greetings, To all PAC members and structures: After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this past Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to correct and radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic liberal path. We resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring solutions to the party 's faction-based and leadership capacity challenges. The meeting widens in scope at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The Saturday meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by former Payco Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading PAC figures. Key resolutions taken include the following: 1. To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2. To form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist Socialist Democracy 3. To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the three feuding factions 4. Call for the convening of an All Inclusive Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a National Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5. To call for the three purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 6. Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and veterans In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members to join us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a radical revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the aggressive resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as the principal means. It is a call not to be missed !! Linda K Ndebele Sent via my BlackBerry from Vodacom - let your email find you! -- -- Sending your posting to payco
Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:29:22 +0200 Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote M'Afrika Percy In as much one wishes to answer your question, the failure to answer is carried within your own question because of the following anormalies that occurred, without being dragged and drawn into internal feuding details, what is confronting us is the forward movement of the PAC. Hence, we posit before all members that it is imminent that PAC branches and members denounce anyone advocating Anti-Unity, secondly we urge all PAC branches and members to unite on the basis of a Programme of Action for the Seizure of State Political Power to Advance and Establish the Africanist Socialist Democracy! Hence we urge and appeal with all PAC Branches and members to organise inclusive regional and provincial conferences as we engage the three (3) feuding NECs to unite on the basis of Programme of Action! Rena Ga Re Nyake Ditshele, Re Nyaka Revolution! Shnago Lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgaudi -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of percy motswaledi Sent: 27 October 2014 03:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mphiri Masoga Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Day MoAfrika Linda its Lion of Azania Here Mr Mphiri Masoga is attacking you in public Platform and with Emmotions i want us to enterogate his Emotions because they may have different meaning and this time i am sure one covers his failures and its a petty that people look at their stomach and forget about the Broather Movement, From me, The Meeting that discuss the revaival of PAC is Relevant that to interogate the status od the Meeting, i have a quetion YOU all, Who is PAc president and what is he doing to build the Party,if he is doing some thing, where is he doing it, that man he is Invisible and we wand Visibility. Now my suggestion is Stop Harassing the Frastrated Africans and Champion real challenges affecting p[eople and Start with Ebola On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 09:59:02 + Mphiri Masoga mphi...@gmail.com wrote Good Morning Linda Who are the former Presidents who attended the meeting where were the current Presidents and what is the Status of the so called former Presidents of that meeting? As far as I can recall most or many of the so called Former Presidents left the organisation and or are operating outside party fold. What do you call your group former Presidents or another so called faction or grouping? Can you also identify the NEC groupings you mentioned in your correspondence, on what capacity are you writingkind Regards, Mphiri Masoga SACWU PTA Tel : 012 320 6472 Fax : 012 320 2179 Fax2Email: 0862254254 Cell : 0731822656 -Original Message- From: Linda Ndebele kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 08:06:09 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Revolutionary greetings, To all PAC members and structures: After much pain and disappointments caused by the three purported NEC groupings, a meeting was held in Johannesburg over the whole of this past Saturday, 25 October 2014, to consider options available to correct and radicalize the PAC which has of late been on an apologetic liberal path. We resolved on a Final Push to intervene and bring solutions to the party 's faction-based and leadership capacity challenges. The meeting widens in scope at our next meeting scheduled for the end of November 2014. The Saturday meeting was high-powered, decisive and candid, attended by former Payco Presidents, Former PASMA Presidents, as well as leading PAC figures. Key resolutions taken include the following: 1.To denounce all three feuding NEC groups 2. To form ourselves as a Programme of Action Team for an Africanist Socialist Democracy 3. To form a mediation team to engage and pursue the three feuding factions 4.Call for the convening of an All Inclusive Conference (open to all party members) administered by an independent team with an objective to consolidate party unity and to adopt a National Programme of Action for seizure of state political power and establishment of an Africanist Socialist Democracy 5.To call for the three purported NEC’s to report and account in a national Conference 6.Mobilise and Engage party members, branches and veterans In conclusion, we make this call to all our cadres and all PAC members to join us on a path to re-build and re-organise the Party-PAC on a radical revolutionary Program of Action. Our definitive focus is the aggressive resolution of our problems using the Program of Action as the principal means. It is a call
Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme
Comrade Lion, I agree entirely with the essence of your email. You are right to implore us away from trifles; to focus us on the challenge of leading our people to battle. One of the reasons mediocrity has managed to take control of the party, and to divert it from its historical radical line is by beating our advanced and revolutionary cadres into despondency. The strategy of these mediocres is to pile up the pressure of frustration against our competent cadres until only them are left to scavenge on the party, squeezing its soul while using only the name of the party but rejecting all its principles. Once they have beaten all of us into frustration, they run amok with the party, stamping their line of apology and suit and tie modicum as the defining thrust of the party. They then label everyone who dare question why they have turned the PAC into a kind-hearted sweet goat instead of retaining its historical mandate as a war machinery for our people. They label any talk of revolution as ridiculous and call some of us as being 'too much'. Too much for what ? Yes we must be too much and beyond to fight the regime that is killing, stealing and destroying everything. They want us to be civil and reasonable against a regime that is shooting our people and starving a vast majority. That is why they call us too much. This apologists have in fact taken over the party although they represent everything against the party. We have to be forthright and targeted in the assault of this line for it is as good as having the regime running our party. They gate-keep for the regime, stopping us from declaring a war against a regime that is blood thirsty and blood sucking ! We have shared thoughts on the thrust of a program of action, and that has to be pursued with or without them. What has become apparent though is that we cannot assign the execution of this revolutionary bloody program to them bacause they don't believe in it. They believe in administration instead of believing in its collapse through mass action, armed uprising, street fights et cetera. We must lose all manner of tolerance towards this group because it is not PAC whatsoever. It is a negation of the many martyrs who died for us. Only this line is correct, the line of a Program of Action. We have said it over and over again, and since some of them ara incapable of hearing or seeing just like the belligerence of the regime, we must this time ram it into their heads by whatever means necessary. We cannot be delayed to engage the regime. The workers are ready, the students are ready, the poor masses are ready ! Only these socalled leaders of 'ours' are not ready and prefer a gentleman 's talk. Not in our name !!! Izwe Lethu Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: AUBREY NGWATLE angwa...@webmail.co.za Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 19:49:06 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme On Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:29:22 +0200 Nkrumah Raymond Kgagudi nrkgag...@gmail.com wrote M'Afrika Percy In as much one wishes to answer your question, the failure to answer is carried within your own question because of the following anormalies that occurred, without being dragged and drawn into internal feuding details, what is confronting us is the forward movement of the PAC. Hence, we posit before all members that it is imminent that PAC branches and members denounce anyone advocating Anti-Unity, secondly we urge all PAC branches and members to unite on the basis of a Programme of Action for the Seizure of State Political Power to Advance and Establish the Africanist Socialist Democracy! Hence we urge and appeal with all PAC Branches and members to organise inclusive regional and provincial conferences as we engage the three (3) feuding NECs to unite on the basis of Programme of Action! Rena Ga Re Nyake Ditshele, Re Nyaka Revolution! Shnago Lashu Nkrumah Raymond Kgaudi -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:payco@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of percy motswaledi Sent: 27 October 2014 03:09 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; Mphiri Masoga Subject: Re: [PAYCO] Revolutionary Pan Africanist Programme Good Day MoAfrika Linda its Lion of Azania Here Mr Mphiri Masoga is attacking you in public Platform and with Emmotions i want us to enterogate his Emotions because they may have different meaning and this time i am sure one covers his failures and its a petty that people look at their stomach and forget about the Broather Movement, From me, The Meeting that discuss the revaival of PAC is Relevant that to interogate the status od the Meeting, i have a quetion YOU all, Who is PAc president and what is he doing to build the Party,if he is doing some thing, where is he doing it, that man he is Invisible and we wand Visibility. Now my suggestion
