Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Edward Crabbe
We currently appear to be involved in some sort of pre-fiat working group process debate. Unfortunately, I think you're injecting a particularly onerous and unnecessary sort of wg bureaucracy here, and for no discernible reason. At this point, given the lack of any substantive technical

[Pce] 答复: 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Fatai Zhang
I am surprised by your tone. I am touching the tech points and trying to clarity why PCE cannot *determine* those parameters. You can correct me if I am wrong from the tech perspective. If you still use this kind of tone, sorry, I will ignore your response. Best Regards Fatai 发件人: Edward

Re: [Pce] 答复: 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Edward Crabbe
I'm surprised by your surprise. ^_^ Seriously though, I don't mean to offend you: I want to have a productive discussion here. Most of the conversation in this thread thus far is about either language, or whether the functionality is within the scope of the charter. I believe one of our

Re: [Pce] Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Jan Medved (jmedved)
Fatai, On Nov 11, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: Hi Jan, You said: =By requesting a path computation from a PCE, the PCC gives the PCE authority to determine the ERO, LSP Bandwidth, protection, LSP setup and hold priorities, etc. The PCE is the entity that determines these parameters -

[Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Fatai Zhang
Hi Jan, [RFC5440] says: If the requested bandwidth is equal to 0, the BANDWIDTH object is optional. Conversely, if the requested bandwidth is not equal to 0, the PCReq message MUST contain a BANDWIDTH object. I don’t think this means that PCE can set the bandwdith. All the paratermetes

Re: [Pce] 答复: Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Edward Crabbe
In addition, I would like to remind that **set** != **delegation**, maybe we stray a little from the point, J Please clearly explain your perception of the difference. ** ** ** ** ** ** Best Regards ** ** Fatai ** ** *发件人:* Jan Medved (jmedved)

Re: [Pce] Questions about stateful PCE, relation to WG charter and opinion about stateful PCE

2012-11-11 Thread Jan Medved (jmedved)
Fatai, On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:12 PM, Fatai Zhang wrote: Hi Jan, [RFC5440] says: If the requested bandwidth is equal to 0, the BANDWIDTH object is optional. Conversely, if the requested bandwidth is not equal to 0, the PCReq message MUST contain a BANDWIDTH object. I don’t think this means