Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 30, 2007, at 4:49 PM, Steffen Juul wrote: > > On 29/10/2007, at 21.31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> Miller has some hidden secrets, I am not really sure how he does >> it. I have some tricks as well, they are in packages/darwin_app/ >> Makefile :) > > It's a shame Millers doesn't w

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 30, 2007, at 5:20 PM, Steffen Juul wrote: > > On 29/10/2007, at 16.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> Since you are interested in the GUI, sounds like it would be best >> if you worked on that. For example, a real preferences pane with >> tabs on it would be really nice. I'll happi

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-30 Thread Steffen Juul
On 29/10/2007, at 16.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Since you are interested in the GUI, sounds like it would be best > if you worked on that. For example, a real preferences pane with > tabs on it would be really nice. I'll happily help you make that > happen, if you interested. The

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-30 Thread Steffen Juul
On 29/10/2007, at 21.31, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Miller has some hidden secrets, I am not really sure how he does > it. I have some tricks as well, they are in packages/darwin_app/ > Makefile :) It's a shame Millers doesn't want do share his tricks. I again tried to imitate the darwi

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 29, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Steffen Juul wrote: > > On 29/10/2007, at 16.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> First off, you'll have much better luck with this Tcl/Tk than the >> Apple ones. The included ones are quite old, this is what I just >> upgraded the auto-builds to: >> >> http://

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-29 Thread Steffen Juul
On 29/10/2007, at 14.07, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote: > >> This was the building part. Now the apply patches part. Before i >> blast it all i'd like to know if i could be of any help wrt pd- >> extended? Is the next Pd-extended aimaed at the 0.41 versio

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-29 Thread Steffen Juul
On 29/10/2007, at 16.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > First off, you'll have much better luck with this Tcl/Tk than the > Apple ones. The included ones are quite old, this is what I just > upgraded the auto-builds to: > > http://idmi.poly.edu/pdlab/tcltk/ Not asking where you dug that up

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 29, 2007, at 6:42 AM, Steffen Juul wrote: On 28/10/2007, at 1.35, Steffen Juul wrote: I've been meaning to try that for quite some time. That and then apply some of the patches that i like. We'll see how it goes, when it goes. I had success building pd-0.41-0test06 for Intel Mac O

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-29 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Steffen Juul hat gesagt: // Steffen Juul wrote: > This was the building part. Now the apply patches part. Before i > blast it all i'd like to know if i could be of any help wrt pd- > extended? Is the next Pd-extended aimaed at the 0.41 version of Pd or > the 0.40 version? Are there any

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-29 Thread Steffen Juul
On 28/10/2007, at 1.35, Steffen Juul wrote: > I've been meaning to try that for quite some time. That and then apply > some of the patches that i like. We'll see how it goes, when it goes. I had success building pd-0.41-0test06 for Intel Mac OS X. What I did was: - Made the following symlinks

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, IOhannes m zmoelnig hat gesagt: // IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > the only reasoning behind the .deb is to get the dependencies right. > apart from that, i agree to frank. > > one hack to solve this would be to distribute pd-extended as .tgz and > additionally provide a "pd-extended-deps" pa

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 28, 2007, at 4:53 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> And as an experiment, I made a new autobuild called "pd-main+libs", >> which is Pd straight from the HEAD of MAIN and the rest of Pd- >> extended. None of the p

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-28 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> And as an experiment, I made a new autobuild called "pd-main+libs", >> which is Pd straight from the HEAD of MAIN and the rest of Pd- >> extended. None of the patches are included tho, so

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-28 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > And as an experiment, I made a new autobuild called "pd-main+libs", > which is Pd straight from the HEAD of MAIN and the rest of Pd- > extended. None of the patches are included tho, so it shouldn't be > considered

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
MinGW extra fixes http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detail&aid=1561814&group_id=55736&atid=478072 I thought I would get to making ./configure && make work on MinGW, but I didn't. So this MinGW Makefile should be included (my fault): http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Miller Puckette
Hmm, I had no idea that come of teh HC patches were actually necessary in order to be able to compile Pd extended on OSX or Windows... which patches are they? thanks M > > > > (...) I need to patch Miller's sources in order to make builds > > on Windows and Mac OS X. > > Hmm.. I thought buildi

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Steffen Juul
On 28/10/2007, at 1.28, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > On Oct 27, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > >> Hallo, >> Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: >> >>> Also, I don't switch to Miller's next version till he's done with >>> the >>> bugfix releases.

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 27, 2007, at 12:33 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> The thing that holds back Pd-extended is that very few people help to >> work on a proper release cycle, meaning make a release branch, do >> lots of testing, a

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > The thing that holds back Pd-extended is that very few people help to > work on a proper release cycle, meaning make a release branch, do > lots of testing, and fix the bugs. With more help, this would go > faster.

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 27, 2007, at 3:28 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > >> Now with Pd-0.39.3-extended finally out, I'd like to talk about >> setting the timetable for the next Pd-extended release. > > Would this also be a time to talk

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 27, 2007, at 6:15 AM, Steffen Juul wrote: > On Sat, October 27, 2007 11:52 am, Frank Barknecht wrote: >> (...) there are no autobuilds of just the externals. Making these >> could >> be a first step towards a two-fold pd-extended release. > > I support that idea, especially for it modula

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Steffen Juul
On Sat, October 27, 2007 11:52 am, Frank Barknecht wrote: > (...) there are no autobuilds of just the externals. Making these could > be a first step towards a two-fold pd-extended release. I support that idea, especially for it modular perspective: One could use the "extensions" module either wit

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Georg Holzmann hat gesagt: // Georg Holzmann wrote: > Hm ... does it make sense to skip 0.40 and go directly to 0.41 ? IMO yes, although 0.41 is a moving target. But looking at how long a pd-extended release can take, it's likely that Miller's 0.41 will be released earlier. > But there a

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! > Would this also be a time to talk about possible structural changes to > address some problems of Pd-extended? One problem I see is that the > releases are too old. pd-0.39 is from 2005. Of course one can try > shorter release cycles, but people are only so fast, and we're facing > a two-

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-27 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Now with Pd-0.39.3-extended finally out, I'd like to talk about > setting the timetable for the next Pd-extended release. Would this also be a time to talk about possible structural changes to address some problems o

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Yup, you don't have Bitstream Vera Sans Mono working/installed. It has a distinctive lower L. .hc On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:15 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Here's a new pic demonstrating the issue, by the way (I'll add it to the tracker) The 1px wide canvas is demonstrating where I am clicki

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-23 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Here's a new pic demonstrating the issue, by the way (I'll add it to the tracker) The 1px wide canvas is demonstrating where I am clicking, and the actual cursor is visible to show the result. On 10/23/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sounds good to me! I think my biggest "blo

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 23, 2007, at 7:05 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Sounds good to me! I think my biggest "blocker"-level issues with the extended 0.40.3 builds are the mismatched font-cursor handling in object-boxes with the new fonts, and the inability to use >~/ mtx_*~ and so on (though I believe IOh

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-23 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
> > Sounds good to me! I think my biggest "blocker"-level issues with the > extended 0.40.3 builds are the mismatched font-cursor handling in > object-boxes with the new fonts, and the inability to use >~/mtx_*~ and so > on (though I believe IOhannes may have fixed that recently?). > > > > What mi

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 22, 2007, at 4:45 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Sounds good to me! I think my biggest "blocker"-level issues with the extended 0.40.3 builds are the mismatched font-cursor handling in object-boxes with the new fonts, and the inability to use >~/ mtx_*~ and so on (though I believe IOh

Re: [PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-22 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Sounds good to me! I think my biggest "blocker"-level issues with the extended 0.40.3 builds are the mismatched font-cursor handling in object-boxes with the new fonts, and the inability to use >~/mtx_*~ and so on (though I believe IOhannes may have fixed that recently?). Oh, it would also be cool

[PD-dev] working towards Pd-0.40.3-extended

2007-10-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey all, Now with Pd-0.39.3-extended finally out, I'd like to talk about setting the timetable for the next Pd-extended release. I think it's a good idea to set a code freeze/branch date at the end of the year. Then spend one month on release candidates, and aim to have a final release