Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
by the way, there's already an active request at https://github.com/pure-data/pure-data/issues/1567 Christof, do you think you try a PR for this? Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 17:27, Jakob Skouborg < syntaxerro...@hotmail.com> escreveu: > Ahh, okay, thanks :) > > > On 17 Jan 2023, at 21.14,

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
Ahh, okay, thanks :) > On 17 Jan 2023, at 21.14, Christof Ressi wrote: > > On 17.01.2023 21:06, Jakob Skouborg wrote: > >> Do you for example know if there is a block of delay added to catch~ or >> tabsend~, like Miller mentioned there would be if the symbol naming feature >> was added to

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Dan Wilcox
I was thinking the same. Also, if the concern is "too many dsp objects", put them in sub patches / abstractions and use [switch~] to turn them off. This is what I do in our spatialization server patches at work where there are 4 levels of channel routing between 64 objects on each level. For

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Christof Ressi
On 17.01.2023 21:06, Jakob Skouborg wrote: Do you for example know if there is a block of delay added to catch~ or tabsend~, like Miller mentioned there would be if the symbol naming feature was added to send~? There would be no extra block of delay for [send~]. I suspect Miller was really

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
Thanks, will look into it ;) > On 17 Jan 2023, at 21.08, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: > > the information about delay and keeping things in sync is in the [pd > execution order] suboatch in the help files > > Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 17:07, Jakob Skouborg >

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
the information about delay and keeping things in sync is in the [pd execution order] suboatch in the help files Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 17:07, Jakob Skouborg < syntaxerro...@hotmail.com> escreveu: > Yes, I checked help patches, I saw that they are kind of opposite, the > send~ and the

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
Yes, I checked help patches, I saw that they are kind of opposite, the send~ and the catch~. I was just wondering if there were any differences “under the hood”? Do you for example know if there is a block of delay added to catch~ or tabsend~, like Miller mentioned there would be if the symbol

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
Thanks, will check out the tabsend~ and tabreceive~ too. I’ve used them in other cases, mostly with tables, never thought about using them for this kind of patching. Best wishes, Jakob > On 17 Jan 2023, at 20.57, Christof Ressi wrote: > > Eh, [throw~] is many-to-one, not one-to-many... > >

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
you can avoid with 'order of execution', check info on the help patches Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 16:57, Jakob Skouborg < syntaxerro...@hotmail.com> escreveu: > I’ve never used catch~ or throw~before. Tried it and it works :) > > Just out of curiosity, what's the difference between

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Christof Ressi
Beside that you can have several throw~ with same name and only one send~ with a specific name? That's the main point. You can have several [catch~] objects summing into the same [throw~] object. Conversely, you can have many [receive~] objects reading from the same [send~]. So in a way they do

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 16:57, Christof Ressi escreveu: > it is generally not good if a parameter can *only* be set via creation > arguments. > Agreed! And I hope we can update [send~] to also allow it. ___ Pd-dev mailing list

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Christof Ressi
Eh, [throw~] is many-to-one, not one-to-many... Again, it is generally not good if a parameter can *only* be set via creation arguments. BTW, my personal workaround is to use [tabsend~] and [tabreceive~]. They basically work the same way as [send~] and [receive~], but both objects are

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
I’ve never used catch~ or throw~before. Tried it and it works :) Just out of curiosity, what's the difference between send~/receive~ and throw~/catch~? Beside that you can have several throw~ with same name and only one send~ with a specific name? Is there a block of delay added to throw~,

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
so, [throw~] can set the destination, why not use it? Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 16:44, Christof Ressi escreveu: > I see, I wonder why exactly you need this, like a specific use case. > > One concrete example: you have a modular system where the output of an > abstraction may be used by

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
When you specify the use case we can think of alternative solutions than the one you're asking, that's why I ask. I also ask to get convinced I'd need to add it to my library for you with M1 support, you know? Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 16:37, Jakob Skouborg < syntaxerro...@hotmail.com>

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Christof Ressi
 I see, I wonder why exactly you need this, like a specific use case. One concrete example: you have a modular system where the output of an abstraction may be used by other abstractions, but they do not know anything about each other. For this you might want to use a [send~] and [receive~]

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
Why exactly I need it? It’s not only for me but for everyone. I just think it would be great if all those style of objects had the same feature. Send~, receive~, send and receive, they are all related and I think it would be nice with same features. That was why I mention the receive version

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 16:07, Jakob Skouborg < syntaxerro...@hotmail.com> escreveu: > I will check the ELSE options, thanks, all though it is the sender that > doesn’t offer option to change name. > > For adding it to Vanilla version, Miller gave an answer, which indicated > there is not

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
I don’t mind using older externals, but just trying to future proof my patches. I am not expecting ext13 to be updated to run on natively an M1 processor. I just need to be able to change the send~ name. I will check the ELSE options, thanks, all though it is the sender that doesn’t offer

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 15:55, Jakob Skouborg < syntaxerro...@hotmail.com> escreveu: > Been using the ext13 send~/receive~ for a routing system for an updated > version of a PD DX7 clone, rebuild using the clone object. Oh, so you've been using something else then... why do you need

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Em ter., 17 de jan. de 2023 às 12:28, Jakob Skouborg < syntaxerro...@hotmail.com> escreveu: > So was just wondering if there is a specific reason why not all of them > offers the option to change name with a symbol? > Yes, and what exactly do you need? > I have been using the externals ext13,

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
Hey :) Ahh, I see, there might be some issues there. I am not that code savy, so can’t really make any suggestions. Been using the ext13 send~/receive~ for a routing system for an updated version of a PD DX7 clone, rebuild using the clone object. I am trying to keep everything as vanilla as

Re: [PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Miller Puckette via Pd-dev
I can't think how to implement this without adding one-block delays (either compatibly with existing behavior but mysterious, or else just a blanket, incompatible one-block delay to everything. I don't think either situation would be any good. I'd be open to adding a "delayadd~" object to add a

[PD-dev] Send~ and receive does not allow you to change name with a symbol!

2023-01-17 Thread Jakob Skouborg
Hello :) I was just wondering about a thing with the send and receive objects in PD, both the audio rate objects and the non audio rate objects. These 2 objects allows you to set the name with a symbol: Receive~ Send These 2 objects does not allow you to set the name with a symbol: Send~