Re: [PD-dev] Re: [PD] building HID from the CVS, errors

2006-08-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Aug 9, 2006, at 4:57 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: But yet again, it seems to me a massive waste of time to build Yet Another Build System. How about instead making the existing one better? I agree with that, and I

Re: [PD-dev] easy way to download the whole shebang

2006-08-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just thought of a side benefit of the auto-build system. You can now easily download a snapshot of the complete source for MAIN, pd- devel, and pd-extended: rsync -av rsync://128.238.56.50/distros/pd-devel/ pd-devel/ rsync -av rsync

[PD-dev] compilation errors on new pd/src/ checkin

2006-08-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
For some reasons, s_audio_jack.c can't find some headers now: s_audio_jack.c:9:18: m_pd.h: No such file or directory s_audio_jack.c:10:21: s_stuff.h: No such file or directory The nightly build script now uploads the compile transcript too:

Re: [PD-dev] easy way to download the whole shebang

2006-08-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
:16AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: SourceForge also has Subversion we can use. I think we all agreed in the past that the SourceForge repository would be the best one for now. why is the Sourceforge repository best? they have by far the worst uptime record among the leading

[PD-dev] FYI: gcc 4.1 in auto-build

2006-08-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Just an FYI: I set up the Debian/etch (testing) box to use gcc 4.1. Both pd-MAIN and Pd-extended are compiling fine with gcc 4.1. It would be nice to try some of the auto-vectorization features. Has anyone messed with them at all? .hc ___

[PD-dev] autobuild emails, once again

2006-09-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
We briefly discussed this, I'd like to make a proposition. I think we should have the auto-build emails be sent to pd-cvs. I can make them all come from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any objections? .hc The arc of history

Re: [PD-dev] Refactoring Pure Data

2006-09-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I support this idea, but I have to say the biggest challenge will be social, not technical.   I think in order for it to succeed, you will have to submit things in small, incremental patches.  I think that it would be best to work on the MAIN branch in CVS, i.e. Miller's branch.  But you should

Re: [PD-dev] GameCube gamepad

2006-09-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
in pd a couple of years ago. First I tried with the (deprecated?) [linuxjoystick] and today with [hid]. [linuxjoystick] reports this: [linuxjoystick] $Revision: 1.6 $, written by Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Configuring Austgame GameCube to USB convertor on /dev/input/event2

Re: [PD-dev] [once] default closed...

2006-09-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 11, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I was thinking that it would be nice to have [once] accept a single argument which would set the initial state of the object, just like [spigot]. But this means

Re: [PD-dev] [once] default closed...

2006-09-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
the once.pd and check what is controlling the flow of data. Low and behold, its [spigot]. .hc On Sep 13, 2006, at 12:31 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I actually think that default closed would be more consistent behavior, especially if [once] uses

Re: pd-extended minimum needs Re: [PD-dev] Re: [GEM-dev] pdextended autobuild august 10th 2006

2006-09-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
with your straightforward make files - i can help you with the few relevant preprocessor symbols - you are not going to include flext and flext-based externals at all in the pd-extended system all the best, Thomas Am 11.08.2006 um 02:51 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: On Aug 10, 2006, at 7

Re: [PD-dev] [initbang]: any use?

2006-09-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I just realized that this is going to be quite useful. I tried in the past to make a Pd object with a dynamic number of inlets, and started to make some crazy system where I would start out with 20 outlets, then delete all but the number that were needed. I'll try it with [initbang]

[PD-dev] how does a loader get loaded?

2006-09-24 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Weee a tongue twister! So I am working on making a loader for libdirs. I get sys_register_loader(), which submits a pointer to classloader() (or whatever). But what makes Pd load that loader first? For example, something needs to load clr.dll, so that is calls sys_register_loader() to

[PD-dev] missing file from pd-MAIN and fftw version

2006-09-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I am trying to compile the HEAD of MAIN with --enable-fftw, and I found that the CVS is missing a file: d_fft_fftw.c Also, I was wondering why pd 0.40 uses fftw 2 rather than 3. fftw3 sounds like it would be much quicker since it uses sse/altivec. .hc

Re: [PD-dev] missing file from pd-MAIN and fftw version

2006-09-25 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
like the way it was done in devel (with lots of fftw-specific stuff in d_fft.c). cheers Miller On Mon, Sep 25, 2006 at 10:22:48PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I am trying to compile the HEAD of MAIN with --enable-fftw, and I found that the CVS is missing a file: d_fft_fftw.c Also, I

Re: [PD-dev] missing file from pd-MAIN and fftw version

2006-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I should add, the next key step is to remove as many classes as possible from the root namespace (i.e. compiled into Pd). For many, it would be trivial to do, just compile them as individual objects in a libdir. I've already done this for x_list.c, x_net.c, and a couple others. Things

Re: [PD-dev] missing file from pd-MAIN and fftw version

2006-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Using loading order will have similar problems whether you use the first loaded or the last loaded. And changing the order of precedence will have lots of unintended consequences. Modern programming languages use namespaces (C++, Python, Java, SmallTalk, etc). Namespaces are a much

Re: [PD-dev] corelibs, build system

2006-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
IOhannes, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! ASK BEFORE YOU MESS WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S STUFF!!! This is one of the most basic and fundamental rules of working together, and you are violating this rule again and again, though we ask you not to! That is why we have this list.

Re: [PD-dev] missing file from pd-MAIN and fftw version

2006-09-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:21 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I should add, the next key step is to remove as many classes as possible from the root namespace (i.e. compiled into Pd). IMO this step should wait until we have

Re: [PD-dev] corelibs, build system

2006-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 27, 2006, at 4:27 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: a lot of time setting up. I really don't want to have to use ACLs in CVS, but you are leaving me no other choice. why don't you want to use ACLs if you want ACLs? Because I thought I could trust the Pd

Re: [PD-dev] missing file from pd-MAIN and fftw version

2006-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 26, 2006, at 5:46 PM, Tim Blechmann wrote: On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 23:21 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: I should add, the next key step is to remove as many classes as possible from the root namespace (i.e. compiled into Pd). IMO this step should wait until we have the equivalent to

Re: [PD-dev] missing file in CVS: d_fft_mayer.c and problems building pd.app under osx (mac intel)

2006-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 27, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Kilian Koepsell wrote: hi, what is the recommended way to build pd.app under osx for mac intel? i was happy to see that the binary on miller puckette's web site (http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html) for the experimental version 0.40-0.test.08 runs just

Re: [PD-dev] missing file from pd-MAIN and fftw version

2006-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 27, 2006, at 3:53 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 27 Sep 2006, Frank Barknecht wrote: But, yes: This would be worse, if you wouldn't even know, which [+ ] object is used, depending on which namespace is active. The

Re: [PD-dev] [once] default closed...

2006-09-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 16, 2006, at 6:38 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Arg... another example of the limitations of email, its so hard to communicate anything where nuance is essential. This discussion would take 10 minutes in person

Re: [PD-dev] pd cvs list policy

2006-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Sep 28, 2006, at 7:02 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Tim Blechmann wrote: hi hans, hi rest, would it be possible to forward the pd extended autobuild notification mails to another list than pd-cvs? - i'm interested in the commit messages, not in the autobuild error messages - it's not

[PD-dev] branch for 0.39.2 Pd-extended release

2006-09-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I want to make a branch for the 0.39.2 release so that people can do whatever they need to in CVS and they won't mess up the final release tweaks. I haven't done a branch before, so I am looking for advice. Basically, I want to get as much heavy work into CVS now, then make a branch for

Re: [PD-dev] scripts/nightly-build.sh

2006-10-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 3, 2006, at 7:42 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: excerpt from scripts/nightly-build.sh snip # GNU/Linux if [ ${UNAME} == Darwin ]; then cd packages/linux_make fi /snip it would be nice if such magic would be documented ;-) Here's a quick rundown:

[PD-dev] Apple doc on building Universal binaries with ./configure

2006-10-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
This is a quick howto on how to build Mac OS X Universal binaries with autoconf-based build systems: http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Porting/Conceptual/ PortingUnix/compiling/chapter_4_section_3.html .hc

Re: [PD-dev] corelibs, build system

2006-10-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 4, 2006, at 4:30 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: did not ask at all. d_mayer_fft.c is the name of the file in 0.39.2. You have broken compilation for Pd-extended. because corelibs IS broken, even without my changes (which tried to fix what was going

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Patches-1094912 ] message-based access to the audio api

2006-10-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 18, 2006, at 1:28 AM, carmen wrote: On Wed Oct 18, 2006 at 01:12:52AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Well, that one was submitted almost two years ago, Miller responded over a year ago, and no one ever followed up on his comment. So that sounds to me like its abandoned

[PD-dev] Re: zexy build error on Windows XP/MinGW

2006-10-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:46 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: gcc -DPD -O3 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -mcpu=i586 - mtune=pentium3 -I/home/pd/auto-build/pd-extended/pd/src -W -ggdb - mms-bitfields -DMSW -DNT -D'O_NONBLOCK=1' -D'srand48(n)=srand ((n

Re: [PD-dev] [ pure-data-Bugs-1371511 ] declaration of `y1' shadows a global declaration

2006-10-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:02 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think its a really bad idea to name functions using names that have existing in standard headers for decades, especially when that header is i do not recall any function in pd with a name y1

[PD-dev] Re: config.h enhancements

2006-10-20 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:57 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: hi Hans Steiner wrote: Just a thought: Miller has started, just barely, to use a config.h generated by ./configure in pd/src. How about adding the stuff that you have in zexyconf.h there? Then every library can benefit. For now,

[PD-dev] Re: zexyconf.h conflicts

2006-10-26 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Oct 19, 2006, at 4:43 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I am getting conflicts just my using your build stuff. Could you remove zexyconf.h from CVS since its dynamically generated? Otherwise this will require manual intervention after automatic builds

Re: [PD] Re: [PD-dev] launching tcl/tk scripts from pd

2006-11-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 5, 2006, at 6:58 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 5 Nov 2006, Federico wrote: Mathieu Bouchard ha scritto: i discovered delays of toxy when dealing with messages that needs to be timing-accurate Do you want to give me a hand making/designing this? yes! (as I said you on IRC)

Re: data structure GUIs and bugs [was: Re: [PD-dev] BUG: namespace prefixes broken in 0.40]

2006-11-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 4, 2006, at 1:38 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: I guess it's subjective but I think some of the GOP datastructure abstractions out there have amazing GUIs that work with vanilla Pd without requiring users to compile/install

Re: [PD-dev] Survey (was Re: opt-in usage statistics 'phone home')

2006-11-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 3, 2006, at 8:20 PM, Chris McCormick wrote: On Fri, Nov 03, 2006 at 10:43:31AM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 2 Nov 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Right now, there have been roughly 17,000 downloads of the last Pd-extended release, according to SourceForge: http

Re: [PD-dev] gdb listening to PD

2006-11-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hmm, never seen that. I just got the pd process. Which platform are you on? .hc On Nov 11, 2006, at 8:04 PM, Conor J Curran wrote: Hi, Tonight I was trying to hook up GDB with PD. When attempting to attach to PD, I was presented with the following options. Could anyone tell me which

Re: [PD-dev] gdb listening to PD

2006-11-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Feel like adding some info as to how to the HOWTO: http://puredata.org/docs/developer/UsingGdbToDebugPdExternals .hc On Nov 14, 2006, at 7:25 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote: several ways to debug pd externals with gdb: - crash the external (with asserts) - declare pending breakpoint, that are

[PD-dev] anyone get [declare -stdpath] to work?

2006-11-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I've been trying to get [declare -stdpath] to work and it just doesn't seem to. First, I had to change a strncpy() to a strncat() (g_canvas, line 1498) to get it to build the path correctly, which is does now. But it doesn't work when I have a folder with objects in it. The objects

[PD-dev] gcc 4.1 and auto-vectorization

2006-11-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Debian/testing now uses gcc 4.1 as its default compiler. I just noticed when doing the apt-get upgrades. Has anyone tried the auto- vectorization stuff? Is it worthwhile with Pd? .hc All information should be

Re: [PD-dev] gcc 4.1 and auto-vectorization

2006-11-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote: On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 16:28 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Debian/testing now uses gcc 4.1 as its default compiler. I just noticed when doing the apt-get upgrades. Has anyone tried the auto- vectorization stuff? Is it worthwhile

Re: [PD-dev] gcc 4.1 and auto-vectorization

2006-11-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 17, 2006, at 5:25 PM, Tim Blechmann wrote: On Fri, 2006-11-17 at 09:10 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Nov 17, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote: On Thu, 2006-11-16 at 16:28 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Debian/testing now uses gcc 4.1 as its default compiler. I

Re: [PD-dev] gcc 4.1 and auto-vectorization

2006-11-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 18, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 18.11.2006 um 22:16 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard: On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I really doubt that the gcc devs put a lot of effort into something that has no effect. Perhaps not for Pd, that may be true

Re: [PD-dev] gcc 4.1 and auto-vectorization

2006-11-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 19, 2006, at 5:13 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 19.11.2006 um 05:00 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: On Nov 18, 2006, at 8:07 PM, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 18.11.2006 um 22:16 schrieb Mathieu Bouchard: On Sat, 18 Nov 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I really doubt that the gcc

Re: [PD-dev] DesireData's ./configure

2006-11-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 22, 2006, at 3:37 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Mathieu Bouchard hat gesagt: // Mathieu Bouchard wrote: * I removed the setuid feature because Pd isn't a proper setuid app, as it doesn't make any checks to prevent the user from abusing the access it gets. I don't see why

[PD-dev] Tcl/Tk 8.4.13 doesn't pop up save prompt

2006-11-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I just built 0.39.2 using ActiveTcl 8.4.13. It runs fine, but I noticed that it is having trouble putting up the save and quit prompts. So basically, I can't close a window once its been editing because its not putting up the prompts. Anyone know what's going on here? Did some part of

[PD-dev] Re: accessing canvas-local path from an external?

2006-11-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Since I figured this out, I thought I'd reply to my own message. Basically, I didn't realize that the canvas variable could have been NULL. That's what was happening. Now I am testing for NULL, and things seem promising. .hc On Nov 20, 2006, at 12:47 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote

Re: [PD-dev] Fwd: PD-cvs Digest, Vol 21, Issue 29

2006-11-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
My the same measure, I find it difficult to track changes when the CVS checkins from the forks are also included. But I am not suggesting they be removed from the list because I am willing to tolerate that if it means more cooperation. .hc On Nov 28, 2006, at 6:31 AM, Thomas Grill

Re: [PD-dev] Fwd: PD-cvs Digest, Vol 21, Issue 29

2006-11-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 28, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb: My the same measure, I find it difficult to track changes when the CVS checkins from the forks are also included. But I am not suggesting they be removed from the list because I am willing to tolerate

Re: [PD-dev] License implications of GPL3

2006-11-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think that the license is complicated indeed, but only because it has to be. The landscape has changed a lot since GPLv2, so in order to preserve software freedoms, the license needs to be that unfortunately. Something they are addressing in v3 that is of direct interest to Pd users

Re: [PD-dev] ChangeLogs

2006-11-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Here's Miller's ChangeLog: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Pd_documentation/x5.htm#s1 You can also generate ChangeLogs from CVS using this handy script: http://www.red-bean.com/cvs2cl/ .hc On Nov 29, 2006, at 1:16 PM, carmen wrote: ive found the file src/ChangeLog on the devel_0_39 branch, which

Re: [PD-dev] Re: PD-cvs Digest, Vol 21, Issue 30

2006-11-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 29, 2006, at 1:26 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Since Matju has stated that desire is a fork, I think it would be most beneficial to all of us, including the desire people, if it used its own repository. Non Sequitur. Do you know

Re: [PD-dev] pool files: UTF-8 encoding

2006-11-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
locales is the library and tool that handles that stuff, IIRC. You'll want to look into the env vars LANG, LC_ALL, etc. I think that's supposed to be system-wide, but with all those grabbag distros based on the Linux kernel, you never know who implemented what and how in their bit.

[PD-dev] audio interruptions from outside events (only with Pd)

2006-12-04 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
We are in the middle of trying to make [hidio] as robust as possible in terms of plugging and unplugging devices. One thing I noticed is that if I have Pd running only a sine wave, then I plug or unplug a USB device, I get an interruption in the sound. If I do the same thing with

Re: [PD-dev] audio interruptions from outside events (only with Pd)

2006-12-04 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 4, 2006, at 9:38 AM, Tim Blechmann wrote: On Mon, 2006-12-04 at 09:30 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: We are in the middle of trying to make [hidio] as robust as possible in terms of plugging and unplugging devices. One thing I noticed is that if I have Pd running only a sine

Re: [PD-dev] audio interruptions from outside events (only with Pd)

2006-12-04 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 04.12.2006 um 15:30 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: We are in the middle of trying to make [hidio] as robust as possible in terms of plugging and unplugging devices. One thing I noticed is that if I have Pd running only a sine wave

HID and threads WAS: [PD-dev] audio interruptions from outside events (only with Pd)

2006-12-04 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 4, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 04.12.2006 um 15:30 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: We are in the middle of trying to make [hidio] as robust as possible in terms of plugging and unplugging devices. One thing I noticed is that if I have Pd running only a sine wave

Re: [PD-dev] Makefile configuration question

2006-12-04 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
You could use the Pd-extended build stuff, then only have to maintain one target for all platforms (GNU/Linux, Mac OS X, and Windows) and you get automatic inclusion into Pd-extended, nightly builds on all these platforms, as well as automatic handling of global CPU optimization flags.

[PD-dev] before branching

2006-12-05 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I am going to make the Pd-0.39.2-extended release branch this week. Any last minute concerns? .hc I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and

[PD-dev] gem2pdp help file naming

2006-12-05 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Anyone mind if I switch the gem2pdp help files to the standard *- help.pd? .hc There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ PD-dev mailing list

Re: [PD-dev] slowing down dsp function inside perform loop

2006-12-05 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
There is no direct correlate, but the DSP pros might be able to offer other solutions. AFAIK, Pd does not have the high and low priority DSP processing. .hc On Dec 5, 2006, at 2:24 PM, Eric Lyon wrote: Greetings, Is there anything in Pd comparable to MaxMSP's defer_low() mechanism?

patch tracker details WAS: [PD-dev] slowing down dsp function inside perform loop

2006-12-05 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
FYI: There is no auto-discard feature on the tracker. The only way to delete items is to manually do it. The Pending status automatically switches the tracker item to Closed, which is definitely not deleted. Everything is still there. This is just a tool to keep the tracker lists

Re: [PD-dev] slowing down dsp function inside perform loop

2006-12-05 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 5, 2006, at 10:13 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Thomas Grill wrote: currently there's no low-priority messaging in Miller's pd version, but there is in the devel branch. It's one of the features that have been there for some time and i'm trying to provide a

Re: [PD-dev] supporting MSVC6

2006-12-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 8, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Thomas Grill wrote: Am 08.12.2006 um 17:33 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: On Dec 8, 2006, at 3:18 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On win32, is there any reason for still supporting MSVC6 instead of switching to MinGW and/or Cygwin? Some people have

Re: [PD-dev] loader: 0.40 or devel_0_39 ?

2006-12-09 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
The loader in 0.40 takes advantage of the canvas-local paths that were introduced in 0.40. Were any changes made to the loader in devel_0_39 after Thomas' code was included by Miller? .hc On Dec 9, 2006, at 10:43 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: I see that the loader code in Miller's 0.40,

[PD-dev] branching doc

2006-12-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I started with the advice from Jonas Bülow and edited it to reflect the version tags used in Pd and made it into a wiki page. Please edit/add as appropriate: http://puredata.org/docs/developer/Branching .hc All

Re: [PD-dev] branch-v0-39-2-extended created

2006-12-11 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 11, 2006, at 11:45 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: FYI: I created a release branch called branch-v0-39-2-extended last night following the instructions here: http://puredata.org/docs/developer/Branching I will be making commits to all sections

Re: [PD-dev] branch-v0-39-2-extended created

2006-12-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 12, 2006, at 6:27 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote: morning folks, On 2006-12-12 10:05:50, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] appears to have written: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 11, 2006, at 11:45 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: i have just (today

Re: [PD-dev] branch-v0-39-2-extended created

2006-12-13 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 13, 2006, at 3:41 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote: morning Hans, morning list, On 2006-12-13 07:04:37, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] appears to have written: If you want to use the Pd-extended build system, its currently just a plain Makefile. No fancy ./configure or automake

[PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
In a first step towards making Pd a micro-language, I propose moving the IEM GUI objects that are embedded in Pd into the extra folder, compiled as individual files. The only changes needed to make this happen is to rename and move the relevant g_*.c files to extra, renaming the setup()

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 7:52 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: As the author of the only modified version of IEMGUI in five years, I say no, we don't need this to happen. It wasn't a question of need. We are all fed ;). Do you have any actual objections? well, i

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 1:54 PM, carmen wrote: If we are going to have full-fledged namespaces, than this is an essential step. Think C without any #includes or Java without any #imports. Only the bare minimum is in the language itself. Everything else is a library. in Python 2.5, Tk is

[PD-dev] 64-bit Tcl/Tk

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Does anyone know anything about the 64-bit support in Tcl/Tk? I was thinking of making 64-bit native G5 and Xeon builds of Pd, once everything is release. That said, does the --enable-threads thing do anything for us? .hc

Re: [PD-dev] strings

2006-12-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Fri, 15 Dec 2006 17:41:03 -0500 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can do a fair amount of string handling with [list2symbol] and things like that. But yes, it leaves a lot to be desired. Bryan Jurish has taken a different approach, which is to use lists of bytes

Re: [PD-dev] 64-bit Tcl/Tk

2006-12-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
externals like osc that needs a fPIC i guess that Pd works ok, i am running linux64 a gentoo system and tcl/tk is working. Em Sex, 2006-12-15 às 17:34 -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner escreveu: Does anyone know anything about the 64-bit support in Tcl/Tk? I was thinking of making 64-bit native G5

Re: [PD-dev] moving iemgui from core to extra

2006-12-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 15, 2006, at 8:02 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 14, 2006, at 3:25 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: It's not like it's impossible to overwrite methods in [objectmaker]. What is [objectmaker]? what's at the end of the receive-symbol

Re: [PD-dev] strings

2006-12-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 16, 2006, at 4:55 AM, Bryan Jurish wrote: morning, On 2006-12-16 01:40:03, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED] appears to have written: On Fri, 15 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: An advantage using the list-of-bytes approach is that because each character can be represented

Re: [PD-dev] 64-bit Tcl/Tk

2006-12-16 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 16, 2006, at 12:18 PM, chris clepper wrote: On 12/16/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -fPIC is on by default on Mac OS X, so that's easy. Having 64-bit floats is quite nice on the interface side because it means you can have large integers in Pd, like timestamps

[PD-dev] pd-MAIN: d_osc.c:39:2: error: #error No byte order defined

2006-12-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
This message is from building pd-MAIN on Mac OS X 10.4/PowerPC: cc -g -O2 -DPD -Wall -W -Wstrict-prototypes -Wno-unused -Wno- parentheses -Wno-switch -DDL_OPEN -DMACOSX -DUNISTD -I/usr/X11R6/ include -I../portaudio/pa_common -I../portaudio/pablio -I../ portmidi/pm_common

[PD-dev] sys_externlist declared in two places

2006-12-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Correct me if I am wrote, but shouldn't sys_externlist be only declared in one .c file? Its declared like this in s_stuff.h: (line 24) extern t_namelist *sys_externlist; Then like this is s_path.c: (line 33) t_namelist *sys_externlist; And a duplicate in s_main.c: (line 48) t_namelist

[PD-dev] first auto-vector test

2006-12-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I made two builds of Pd-0.39-2-extended-test6 on Mac OSX using gcc 4.0.1, with differing CFLAGS. I used the attached patch to measure the CPU usage, I tried to keep the operating circumstances equal, but this is a rough test. But from this, the results look quite promising: These flags

Re: [PD-dev] strings

2006-12-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 16 Dec 2006, Martin Peach wrote: What if strings could be automatically cast to symbols for externals that would rather have symbols, and vice-versa? I have written an external asc2sym that takes lists of bytes and splits them

Re: [PD-dev] strings

2006-12-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 18, 2006, at 1:23 AM, carmen wrote: Automatic type conversion sounds like a really bad idea if the language only partially supports it. Pd is strongly typed is it? it mainly has numbers that occasionally look like symbols, and symbols that more than occasionally look like lists

Re: [PD-dev] sys_externlist declared in two places

2006-12-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 18, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: It's not C that allows it, it's the linker and the concept of separate compilation. It's a feature that comes from assembly language

Re: [PD-dev] strings

2006-12-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: That's aiming low. Why shouldn't there be any automatic casts between the two? Automatic type conversion sounds like a really bad

Re: [PD-dev] strings

2006-12-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 18, 2006, at 12:42 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 17, 2006, at 1:36 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: That's aiming low. Why shouldn't there be any automatic casts between the two? Automatic type conversion sounds like a really bad

Re: [PD-dev] sys_externlist declared in two places

2006-12-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Dec 18, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Mon, 18 Dec 2006, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 18, 2006, at 3:42 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: I think that it doesn't disallow it, and it's because I've just tried it, and I don't even get a warning, with every possible

[PD-dev] 0.40-2 code not in CVS?

2006-12-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
When I get the latest from the stable_0_40 branch, I noticed that the version is still set to 0.40-1 in m_pd.h. Did the version just not get updated or are the 0.40-2 changes not in CVS yet? .hc All information

[PD-dev] timing of a clock_delay(x-x_clock, 0);

2006-12-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
If I issue a clock_delay(x-x_clock, 0), will the registered tick function be executed in the same clock tick, or will it always wait for the next clock tick? Basically, I am looking for a way to schedule something as soon as possible. .hc

[PD-dev] comport clock_delay()

2006-12-28 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I was just looking at how comport was implemented and I noticed that x-x_deltime isn't really used at all. In comport_tick(), this is the delay statement: clock_delay(x-x_clock, 1); So it is pegged to 1ms. I am wondering what is going to be the best delay setting to have the lowest

[PD-dev] show-stopping bug for Windows release

2006-12-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php? func=detailaid=1595028group_id=55736atid=478070 This cyclone bug is still outstanding, its very strange. The object boxes change to message and number boxes. I would really like to have it resolved for the release. Can any windows people shed

Re: [PD-dev] multicast patch to OSCx

2007-01-01 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
arugments for port/host instead of having to send it the connect message, but I thought that kind of change would be out of this patch's scope. Let me know if anyone has comments or criticisms, I'd be happy to make changes and re-submit the patch. Steve On 12/28/06, Hans-Christoph Steiner

Re: [PD-dev] multicast patch to OSCx

2007-01-02 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
-extended? Steve On 1/1/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I committed it without the changes to configure.ac since those broke the Pd-extended build stuff. We'll see tomorrow whether it builds on Windows... .hc On Dec 28, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Stephen Sinclair wrote: Hi, I did

Re: [PD-dev] multicast patch to OSCx

2007-01-02 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
for me get OSCx to compile against the Pd.app bundle. Any chance on making similar configure.ac changes that won't break Pd-extended? Steve On 1/1/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I committed it without the changes to configure.ac since those broke the Pd-extended build

[PD-dev] glob for windows?

2007-01-05 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Does anyone know of a glob implementation in C for Windows? It would be very nice to be able to use file globbing on all platforms, instead of the very limiting Microsoft pattern matching. .hc

[PD-dev] why are the IEM GUI and Pd fonts different sizes?

2007-01-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Does anyone know why the IEM GUI and Pd fonts different sizes? If you set a [cnv] to display text at Courier 10 bold and set the patch font as the same, the [cnv] text will be a different size that the fonts for comments, messages boxes, objects, etc. Not only that, but the difference

Re: [PD-dev] pd-extended build system questions

2007-01-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 7, 2007, at 1:28 PM, Georg Holzmann wrote: (ups sorry - this should be for pd-dev) Hallo Hans+list! I just added PDContainer to the build system and have some questions: o) I have to use g++, otherwise I cannot link the binary - is this okay for the compile farm ? That's fine.

[PD-dev] turn on anti-aliasing for one Tk create

2007-01-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Is it possible to turn on anti-aliasing for one Tk create command? If so, it would be easy to make the patch coords and the circle in the bang anti-aliased, while the boxes remain crisp. .hc Terrorism is not an

[PD-dev] text placement

2007-01-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Can anyone point me to where the text is placed on the canvas in relation to the object and message boxes? It seems to vary depending on platform and I'd like to troubleshoot it. .hc As we enjoy great advantages

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