[PD] pd-extended on kubuntu/feisty

2007-06-07 Thread Alexandre Castonguay
Hello all, Hans-Christoph, I was trying to compile pd-extended on kubuntu/feisty from the cvs today and stumbled on a few problems : cd /home/alx/pd/pure-data/externals/iem16/src autoconf configure.ac:40: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_CFLAGS If this token and others are

Re: [PD] meet at NIME?

2007-06-07 Thread Spencer Russell
On 6/7/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, you knew something I didn't... ;) It was off for the summer... .hc That's a shame. I got my hopes all up. I'm going to be out of town friday evening through Sunday morning, but hopefully I'll see some of you at the CMC

Re: [PD] Clickable gop data structure

2007-06-07 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 23:05 -0400, Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 11:45:37AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Some other click-detections things require more manual work: The [struct] object has an outlet that will send out messages if a pointer of that type was selected or

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released! OSX issues

2007-06-07 Thread Tim Boykett
It is getting so much easier: working with a bunch of people who do not want to be challenged by operating system weirdness, the PD-extended releases are helping lower the barrier. We are constantly up against the options Max//PD and the PD option is definitely the ugly little sister; she is

Re: [PD] pd-extended on kubuntu/feisty

2007-06-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Well the easiest way to build [hid] would be to do this: cd externals make hid Otherwise, I think zexyconf.h is in CVS, and zexy won't build properly after a make clean, so try a cvs up to get zexyconf.h back. Beyond that I don't really know since IOhannes replaced my Pd- extended build

[PD] ieee1394

2007-06-07 Thread Tim Boykett
Hello PDPers, I have seen that the ieee1394 capture objects in PDP are working. So ow the other way: is there some way to have a ieee1394 output object? chrz, tm ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] ieee1394

2007-06-07 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! I have seen that the ieee1394 capture objects in PDP are working. So ow the other way: is there some way to have a ieee1394 output object? In a few month ... ;) LG Georg ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] ieee1394

2007-06-07 Thread Luigi Rensinghoff
Am 07.06.2007 um 11:06 schrieb Tim Boykett: Hello PDPers, I have seen that the ieee1394 capture objects in PDP are working. So ow the other way: is there some way to have a ieee1394 output object? chrz, tm ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] Click-through edit mode

2007-06-07 Thread Steffen
On 07/06/2007, at 7.47, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Also: control-alt/option seems to work in that capacity as well. and it toggles between 0 and the previous adjusted number in number- boxes. (on os x at least.) Nice find, Luke. ___ PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] Click-through edit mode

2007-06-07 Thread hard off
cheers, never realised that either ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread hard off
get back on that soap box! i wanna throw some tomatoes! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Clickable gop data structure

2007-06-07 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Jamie Bullock hat gesagt: // Jamie Bullock wrote: On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 23:05 -0400, Chris McCormick wrote: I seem to remember a release where this detects just plain old mouse clicks (i.e. no drag or modification) so that you could build your own 'toggle' for example. Am I just

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread Nikola Jeremic
i love this! On 6/7/07, jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 03:40:51PM +0100, timon wrote: Some time ago I was explained the issues of why FTGL libs was not included GEM for the extended OSX release of PD. The answer did not make me any wiser. The conclusion was Compile

Re: [PD] ieee1394

2007-06-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jun 7, 2007, at 5:27 AM, Luigi Rensinghoff wrote: Am 07.06.2007 um 11:06 schrieb Tim Boykett: Hello PDPers, I have seen that the ieee1394 capture objects in PDP are working. So ow the other way: is there some way to have a ieee1394 output object? chrz, tm

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released! OSX issues

2007-06-07 Thread Yves Degoyon
hola, - pdp_i is not documented pdp_i works with pdp_o ( it's point to point video streaming ) and it is documented in : help-pdp_streaming.pd suerte, sevy ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread john saylor
hi On 6/7/07, jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All of the work done (out of love, not money) by the pd community should be applauded. With that said, there is a sense of elitism. how does this perceived elitism affect your ability to make music? to learn about digitial synthesis? is it an

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread Patco
Hello, are there any project where we can see almost all externals in action, at least all externals that doesn't require particular hardware, and that could be run with a 'one clic' or 'one command' pd installation like pd-extended for example ? I mean by this kind of project, a workstation

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
Beautifully written. One addition: The elitist attitude may also have something to do with the inverse relationship between spending time programming and spending time socializing. If all one doing in your days is programming a computer, i.e. telling it what to do, one needn't to utilize the

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread Charles Henry
I'm sure Mr. Spock had to deal with this all the time and I sure as hell know that many people in my undergrad math department did! ~Kyle my turn [steps up on the soap box] Everyone should learn at least calculus and differential equations. Elementary concepts of signal processing (not

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread jared
Hey Andy. I personally don't believe there is any sort of line that separates composer from programmer, or sound designer, except that at the two extremes of the spectrum some programmers can be obsessive about technical methodology and never explore aesthetics, and some composers can be

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Some of my favorites along this line are the pmpd examples. In the Help Browser, check out examples-pmpd. Watch out, they can use a lot of CPU time, so it's best to check on defeat real-time scheduling in the Startup preferences when playing with those. .hc On Jun 7, 2007, at 11:30 AM,

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread jared
One addition: The elitist attitude may also have something to do with the inverse relationship between spending time programming and spending time socializing. If all one doing in your days is programming a computer, i.e. telling it what to do, one needn't to utilize the more mamallian

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread David Powers
Well, by the same token, everyone should: 1. Know how to conduct an orchestra and jazz big band 2. Know how to arrange for orchestra and jazz big band 3. Know how to play piano 4. Know how to play one wind or string instrument 5. Know how to play at least one percussion instrument 6. Understand

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread john saylor
hi On 6/7/07, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think it's just absurd to force all musicians into a model that may only make sense from the software engineering / DSP side of things. I usually am arguing more on the pro-technology side of things, but in this case I think I must

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
jared wrote: Hey Andy. [snip] The force of industry is continually to divide programmers from practicioners, to demark roles like creative sound designer from audio programmer and create neat conservative little pidgeonholes for HR people to fit CVs into. Of course this is nonsense. Any

Re: [PD] switch~ cputime climbing

2007-06-07 Thread Dafydd Hughes
Ha! Thanks, Kyle. Actually, it's mostly based on David Golightly's granular delay, which is a really elegant piece of work, and without which I never would have been able to try this. I ended up rewriting it without the scheduler, and changed some other stuff too. I'm halfway through another,

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread David Powers
On 6/7/07, john saylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi On 6/7/07, David Powers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really think it's just absurd to force all musicians into a model that may only make sense from the software engineering / DSP side of things. I usually am arguing more on the

Re: [PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-07 Thread marius schebella
john saylor wrote: computers use math to do audio [dsp, convolution, ...]. so you need to study math [not really that much for most applications, but it does help]. I don't think that is true. you definitely don't need to study math to make music. you don't need programming skills to use a

Re: [PD] pd-extended on kubuntu/feisty

2007-06-07 Thread Alexandre Castonguay
Hi all, hc, Switching autoconf 1.10 for 1.9 and getting zexyconf.h did the trick, the install went well after that. My Nintendo NES controller (+RetroPad) works with hidio, now I need a rom emulator in pd ;-). Cheers, Alexandre On Thursday 07 June 2007 04:38:42 Hans-Christoph Steiner