[PD] new pd wiki - practical data - includes forum

2007-11-03 Thread hard off
i just set up a new wiki for pd, aimed at providing a simple and easy way for pd users to share their patches / tutorials, etc... so, this should complement the pdpedia quite well. http://practical-data.wikidot.com/ anyone is welcome to become a member and add content. just create an account

Re: [PD] minimize mac

2007-11-03 Thread ilya .d
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 11:58:20AM -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sometimes this happens here on ubuntu too. Quite annoying. Resizing does not always help. What I do then is CTRL+a and SHIFT+arrow-keys to move the contents of the patch. = Slow if

Re: [PD] minimize mac

2007-11-03 Thread errordeveloper
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 09:21:34AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: What do you mean, resizing does not always help? Resizing the window doesn't always cause a scrollbar to appear. Tim that looks like the old wll known bug. it appears after you edit the patch -

Re: [PD] new pd wiki - practical data - includes forum

2007-11-03 Thread Steffen Juul
On 03/11/2007, at 8.02, hard off wrote: i just set up a new wiki for pd, aimed at providing a simple and easy way for pd users to share their patches / tutorials, etc... There is also the http://puredata.info website people can use. For tutorials for instance folks can add to

Re: [PD] minimize mac

2007-11-03 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Hallo, I've mentioned this before... if the issue is worth $15 to you you can grab this : )http://www.atomicbird.com/mondomouse/ (no affiliation) Cheers Luke On 11/3/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 09:21:34AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathieu

Re: [PD] minimize mac

2007-11-03 Thread errordeveloper
On Sat, Nov 03, 2007 at 06:58:12AM -0700, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Hallo, I've mentioned this before... if the issue is worth $15 to you you can grab this : )http://www.atomicbird.com/mondomouse/ (no affiliation) Cheers Luke probably mac users can afford such little things :_) ..

Re: [PD] Files attached and the archive of this mailing list

2007-11-03 Thread errordeveloper
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 06:14:28PM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: you don't need to convert anything, since pd-files already are textfiles, but with the extension '.pd'. roman on windows there may be an EOL problem, so notepad or something won't display it propertly - all will go in one line

Re: [PD] new pd wiki - practical data - includes forum

2007-11-03 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 14:53 +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: On 03/11/2007, at 8.02, hard off wrote: i just set up a new wiki for pd, aimed at providing a simple and easy way for pd users to share their patches / tutorials, etc... There is also the http://puredata.info website people can use.

[PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think there is a lot that could be done to the look and feel of Pd that would make it much more efficient and usable. I think it is crucial to avoid flashiness, one of Pd's strengths is its lack of flashiness (no segmented patch cords! ;) But small things can make a big difference.

Re: [PD] new pd wiki - practical data - includes forum

2007-11-03 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
On 11/3/07, Steffen Juul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/11/2007, at 8.02, hard off wrote: i just set up a new wiki for pd, aimed at providing a simple and easy way for pd users to share their patches / tutorials, etc... There is also the http://puredata.info website people can use. For

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
hi all i like the idea of optimizing pd's appearance, although i think it's only details, that should be improved. personally, i'd prefer boxes like that: http://romanhaefeli.net/ramsch/nu_peedee_stuyl.png because: 1) 1px border looks better. 2px or more looks like drawn with a clumsy pencil 2)

[PD] debugging techniques/tricks for a non-developer?

2007-11-03 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I use PD quite a lot, and it sometimes happens to me that it crashes. Sometimes I have been able to isolate and identify the cause of the crash, in which case either it was a known bug or I reported it, or the crash was triggered by some errors in my patches that I could fix. However,

[PD] [Pd] Graphics Toolkits?

2007-11-03 Thread Chuckk Hubbard
Hello. I am brainstorming about rewriting a Pd patch I wrote as a standalone program, for several reasons. I wrote it very haphazardly the first time, learning to program simultaneously. I've since gained a much greater understanding of C, and a smattering of some other languages. Also, the

[PD] Installing pd-extended in ubuntu on a computer with no internet connection

2007-11-03 Thread David NG McCallum
Hi! Maybe this is more of an ubuntu package question than a Pd question, but... I've got an old iMac running xubuntu at home, except that home has no internet connection. When I tried installing the pd-extended package it went and tried to download the depends, which of course it couldn't,

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread vade
I agree, 1px looks better, and I very much like the versions with the colored patch coords. I think the gray sans border ones are too diffuse, and do not catch your eye fast enough, so you have to work MUCH harder to make out the patch structure. If it is possible to add user preference for

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread João Miguel Pais
it might also be useful to have a very subtle background grid drawn on the canvas at certain intervals to help patch organization. Quartz Composer has this, as does Max 5 (not saying you HAVE to have it, but it might be a nice addition. something important might be the possibility of using

Re: [PD] TkWidget library

2007-11-03 Thread João Miguel Pais
Even tho the screen updates at least evern 16ms, most GUI object do not benefit from that at all. For example, number boxes would be totally fine updating every 100ms or more, unless you like the look of blurry numbers flying by. Sliders and buttons probably would be fine at 50ms also It

Re: [PD] TkWidget library

2007-11-03 Thread vade
for what its worth, Max has a preference that sets the frequency of all screen refreshes of patcher objects. This can be useful to reduce GUI overhead on heavy patches. On Nov 3, 2007, at 5:05 PM, João Miguel Pais wrote: Even tho the screen updates at least evern 16ms, most GUI object do

Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Jamie Bullock
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 14:24 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think there is a lot that could be done to the look and feel of Pd that would make it much more efficient and usable. I think it is crucial to avoid flashiness, one of Pd's strengths is its lack of flashiness (no

Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 3, 2007, at 7:28 PM, Jamie Bullock wrote: On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 14:24 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think there is a lot that could be done to the look and feel of Pd that would make it much more efficient and usable. I think it is crucial to avoid flashiness, one of Pd's

Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread marius schebella
Hi Hans, I saw that you filled the boxes now with grey. actually I do not agree with roman, that this looks better, I think the contrast is smaller and therefore text is less readable for me. I would prefer white object background. marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Nov 3, 2007, at 7:28

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread ilya .d
i think all in pd gui canvas part is just right. there is also DesireData, why wouldn't you use it to have coloured stuff? different stuff is already in the externals (which i personally dont use (almost, apart from a few objects)). you can even have a three-dimensional gui made in GEM, if you

Re: [PD] [-SPAM-] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Sat, 2007-11-03 at 20:08 -0400, marius schebella wrote: Hi Hans, I saw that you filled the boxes now with grey. actually I do not agree with roman, that this looks better, I think the contrast is smaller and therefore text is less readable for me. though it probably slightly minimizes the

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
it might also be useful to have a very subtle background grid drawn on the canvas at certain intervals to help patch organization. Quartz Composer has this, as does Max 5 (not saying you HAVE to have it, but it might be a nice addition. I look at this as the equivalent of properly indented

[PD] little things

2007-11-03 Thread ilya .d
isn't it right, that we should use [i] instead of [f] every time making a counter which won't ever think of something in between 0 and 1 or 2 and 3 ..!! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] Installing pd-extended in ubuntu on a computer with no internet connection

2007-11-03 Thread Kevin McCoy
This is cheating but Debian has a web repository at http://packages.debian.org where you can download packages for different architectures and search, etc. Find out what packages Pd-extended depends on, download the ppc .deb files from the debian server, pop them on a flash drive and drop them on

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 3, 2007, at 8:40 PM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: it might also be useful to have a very subtle background grid drawn on the canvas at certain intervals to help patch organization. Quartz Composer has this, as does Max 5 (not saying you HAVE to have it, but it might be a nice addition. I

Re: [PD] little things

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Doesn't really matter as along as you are doing [+ 1]. [float] is actually the native format for Pd, [int]/[i] involved conversion. .hc On Nov 3, 2007, at 10:18 PM, ilya .d wrote: isn't it right, that we should use [i] instead of [f] every time making a counter which won't ever think

Re: [PD] Installing pd-extended in ubuntu on a computer with no internet connection

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
That's what I would do as well. .hc On Nov 3, 2007, at 10:32 PM, Kevin McCoy wrote: This is cheating but Debian has a web repository at http:// packages.debian.org where you can download packages for different architectures and search, etc. Find out what packages Pd-extended depends on,

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Kevin McCoy
And finally, it pains me that much of this work we're discussing has already been done by Mathieu and Chun : (! I have a dream, where DD and PD and PD-E are one. Oh yes, we are dreaming the same dream - but DesireData isn't there in terms of usability yet. I couldn't use it for anything

Re: [PD] russian pdpedia template ready

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
If this is ready, please post a final version all in one piece. I can't read it, so that way there is less likely to be errors. .hc On Oct 31, 2007, at 2:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 10:08:45PM +0100, danja vasiliev wrote: Hello Ilya, good job ;) i commented on

Re: [PD] Pdpedia Español?

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Any word on a final template? .hc On Oct 26, 2007, at 8:16 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Fri, 26 Oct 2007, Jaime Oliver wrote: Well, 'clase del objeto' doesn't sound all that well, but i don't think any translation will sound right, My mexican roommate Iveth says it's clase de objeto,

Re: [PD] little things

2007-11-03 Thread marius schebella
no, I think every i is automatically reformatted into f when passed to next object. maybe I am wrong... marius. ilya .d wrote: isn't it right, that we should use [i] instead of [f] every time making a counter which won't ever think of something in between 0 and 1 or 2 and 3 ..!!

Re: [PD] Autobuild 20071024 debian testing

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think all the builds get this message, I don't really know what they come from, I think they are from Gem: class_addmethod: 0xb7be5220 consistency check failed: class_addmethod: textoutline_string: bad argument types .hc On Oct 24, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Olivier Heinry wrote: Hi hans,

Re: [PD] Crash in Leopard

2007-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
And the help menu stuff works fine? .hc On Nov 3, 2007, at 2:18 AM, Luke Iannini (pd) wrote: Well, good news - I only had the crash when running an autobuild (pde 0.40.3) from September. I'm using October 26th's now and the crash no longer occurs. Luke On 11/2/07, Hans-Christoph

Re: [PD] Crash in Leopard

2007-11-03 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Well, I can't actually type anything in the new Help Search box (the cursor blinks but no text appears), but the menu entries below all work as they always have. Cheers Luke On 11/3/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the help menu stuff works fine? .hc On Nov 3,

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Chris McCormick
On Sun, Nov 04, 2007 at 01:32:08AM +0100, Roman Haefeli wrote: what would you actually prefer? grey borders and white filled objects? or just status quo? (i want to add: i do not dislike pd's actual appearance at all, but i am interested to see, if it could be improved ) Almost all visual

Re: [PD] changing the look of Pd to be more readable

2007-11-03 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
DesireData has much more substantial and interesting changes than the colors and backgrounds. it is also, unfortunately, not at a fully usable state yet. Since there were 50,000+ downloads of the previous version of Pd-extended ( 0.38.4), I think it's worthwhile to spend a couple days to