Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like python does with import. $ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006,

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-22 Thread marius schebella
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be completely embedded in the patch, like python does with import. $ python Python

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-22 Thread Ico Doornekamp
* On 2008-07-22 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be completely embedded in

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-22 Thread marius schebella
Ico Doornekamp wrote: * On 2008-07-22 marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote : Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: The grand plan is to have no libraries loaded by default. Then the library configuration would be

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-22 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 09:56:58AM -0400, marius schebella wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: $ python Python 2.4.4c0 (#2, Jul 30 2006, 15:43:58) [GCC 4.1.2 20060715 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-9)] on linux2 Type help, copyright, credits or license for more information. sin(0.5) Traceback (most

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-22 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: In Python you can also say: from math import sin sin(0.5) 0.47942553860420301 or even from math import * so for your examples you'd say: from communication.human.writtenlanguage.english.word import * and leave

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-22 Thread Atte André Jensen
Frank Barknecht wrote: Pd-extended obviously has the Python model in mind, while I would prefer a more minimalistic, Lua-like Pd, A really nice thing in python is that it comes with batteries included. You might have to import something from a lib, but it's always there on any platform. For

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-21 Thread Luke Iannini
On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Luke Iannini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luke Iannini wrote: So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm? it makes sense. could

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-21 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 21, 2008, at 6:28 PM, Luke Iannini wrote: On Tue, Jul 8, 2008 at 9:43 PM, Luke Iannini [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luke Iannini wrote: So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Enrique Erne wrote: IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: - remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot write objects with filenames containing special characters. should it work on osx? it never worked for me. i reported it a couple of times and last time i checked the

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-08 Thread Luke Iannini
On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luke Iannini wrote: So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm? it makes sense. could you send me the complete output of the pd-console when loading your

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-07 Thread Enrique Erne
IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: - remove the entire hexloader quirks and just claim that you cannot write objects with filenames containing special characters. should it work on osx? it never worked for me. i reported it a couple of times and last time i checked the bugtracker there was a very old

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-04 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Luke Iannini wrote: So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it is the culprit. Can anyone confirm? it makes sense. could you send me the complete output of the pd-console when loading your patch with -verbose. (might get big; so zip it and send it to me privately; or

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-04 Thread Matthew Logan
I removed the hexloader from my startup, and the time to load for my main patch dropped down from 5 1/2 min to 1 min. Wonderful. On Fri, Jul 4, 2008 at 1:37 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luke Iannini wrote: So, sorry to pick on the hexloader some more : ) but it seems it

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-03 Thread Luke Iannini
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 6:19 PM, hard off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!! Alright, so I narrowed the big jump in loadtimes to between May 18th (about the same as Vanilla) and May 22nd (between 3-4x slower). The 18th is when the hexloader was

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-07-03 Thread hard off
i found my problem, which was that pd was going nuts trying to find sssad. once i sorted that out, the loading of my patches didn't take so long. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-30 Thread Matthew Logan
I think someone brought this up in another thread. I had the same problem and it seems that abstractions with the same name as their folder don't load. All you have to do is change the folder name, or the patch. I think the folder is better to change, as you only have to change the path to the

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Please submit a bug report. I haven't been able to reproduce the slowness on Ubuntu or Mac OS X. .hc On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:19 AM, hard off wrote: 10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!! also, a minor bug: when i first opened the application, i couldn't access the

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Oops, and include an example patch. .hc On Jun 29, 2008, at 3:19 AM, hard off wrote: 10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!! also, a minor bug: when i first opened the application, i couldn't access the preferences without opening an untitled patch first. and

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-29 Thread hard off
hans, i have found the source of my problem. sorry for not adding this to the bug-tracker, as i don't check that, but i do check this mailing list often. for some totally weird reason, this version of extended won't let me load sssad.pd i added the path to the sssad folder, and that's no

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-29 Thread hard off
by the way, if i just type gibberish into an object box (eq. [brrgghh] ) then pd only takes about a second to see that as unidentified object and gives me dotted red lines around the object box. i have no idea why sssad would be acting this way. ___

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-29 Thread hard off
arrghh. sorry for so many mails. one more thing: i did remove my old preference files, so i don't think that's part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-28 Thread hard off
10 minutes to load a patch that used to take 10-15 seconds!! also, a minor bug: when i first opened the application, i couldn't access the preferences without opening an untitled patch first. and then, when i added my abstractions directory to the paths, pd froze. i did a 'force quit', and

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-27 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Something is loading pyext. Try deleting your preferences file. It is ~/Library/Preferences/org.puredata.pd.plist .hc On Fri, 27 Jun 2008, bbarros wrote: Hi Hans, I didn't open any patch, just PD itself. cheers, Bernardo 2008/6/27 Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Looks

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jun 23, 2008, at 5:58 AM, Max Neupert wrote: Hans, thank you for doing that. I have some remarks though: Am 2008-06-23 um 06:58 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: - default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc. Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd i still think it

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-23 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I see now. My guess is that this issue is related to the very large search path caused by having the hexloader and all of the libraries loaded by default. Could you guys try a couple things: - take hexloader out of the start up libs and try opening - take all of the libs out of the

[PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-22 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
For this release, there has been a lot of work in making the GUI and user experience much more fluid and easy. There is a new visual look that was designed to make patches more readable. Additionally, lots of things have been tweaked to make Pd behave more like a normal app. There has

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-22 Thread Luke Iannini
Hurrah, great work Hans... Pd is starting to feel quite native on the Mac. The app-generator is fantastic. I've got quite a few patches designed for just such a thing. - the GUI runs slower on some older Macs It's definitely not just older Macs! I've got a two month old Mac Pro 2.8x8 that

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-22 Thread Matthew Logan
So it's not just XP then. It makes it hard to even build a patch, because I'm afraid of using GOP. Start-up of the program itself is no issue. The slow-down occurs whenever I open my main working patch. It took about 30-45 sec before (last released pd-extended package). Now it takes 5 1/2

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.40.3-extended-rc2 released

2008-06-22 Thread Max Neupert
Hans, thank you for doing that. I have some remarks though: Am 2008-06-23 um 06:58 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: - default locations for user-installed externals, helpfiles, etc. Mac OS X: /Library/Pd and ~/Library/Pd i still think it should rather be /Library/Application Support/Pd -