Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-17 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
Also, has the problem with [~ ] and similar objects using special characters been fixed in 0.42.5 (IIRC 0.41.4 had issues with these so you had to invoke those objects using hex ascii values). That's an issue with hexloader. If you want to use those names, you need to load

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-17 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
hex loader $Revision: 1.5 $ written by IOhannes m zmölnig, IEM zmoel...@iem.at compiled on Nov 17 2009 at 19:30:48 compiled against Pd version 0.42.5.extended load_object: Symbol 0x3e0x7e_setup not found [~] part of zexy-2.2.3 (compiled: Apr 29 2009) Just to follow-up.

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-17 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
1) if hexloader is buggy/incomplete what will it take to fix it? 2) if you agree with me that in the interim pd-extended is effectively broken what can be done to circumvent this problem to make it usable until hexloader is fixed? I guess I owe everyone an apology. I've recompiled the

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-17 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 17, 2009, at 7:51 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: hex loader $Revision: 1.5 $ written by IOhannes m zmölnig, IEM zmoel...@iem.at compiled on Nov 17 2009 at 19:30:48 compiled against Pd version 0.42.5.extended load_object: Symbol 0x3e0x7e_setup not found [~] part of

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 12, 2009, at 12:18 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: I think its good to get to a point where we don't have to worry much about backwards compatibility. IMHO, the easiest way to do that is embed library and other settings in each patch rather than having libraries loaded by default. The

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Nov 14, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: In Pd-extended 0.41.4 and newer, and with libdirs, the help patches should be found when using namespace prefixes. They are in all the tests I've done. As for loading by default, I personally think no libraries should be loaded by default.

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-15 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
No, that works for me. Which help patch isn't working? In that case it could be because I moved things around not knowing about hexloader and other interesting stuff. Also, has the problem with [~ ] and similar objects using special characters been fixed in 0.42.5 (IIRC 0.41.4 had issues

[PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-12 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
FWIW, I recently listened to a really entertaining presentation of a computer systems security expert and one thing he pointed out that IMHO is currently really bogging Pd development is legacy support. If PD is currently undergoing a complete rewrite of the GUI this may be a good opportunity to

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think its good to get to a point where we don't have to worry much about backwards compatibility. IMHO, the easiest way to do that is embed library and other settings in each patch rather than having libraries loaded by default. The pow~ issue highlights that. You can also already

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-12 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
I think its good to get to a point where we don't have to worry much about backwards compatibility. IMHO, the easiest way to do that is embed library and other settings in each patch rather than having libraries loaded by default. The pow~ issue highlights that. You can also already use

Re: [PD] Getting the best out of the rewrite (was: Re: pow~, etc. in Pd-extended 0.42.5)

2009-11-12 Thread András Murányi
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: I think its good to get to a point where we don't have to worry much about backwards compatibility. IMHO, the easiest way to do that is embed library and other settings in each patch rather than having libraries