Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-04 Thread Jamie Bullock
On 4 Nov 2010, at 09:50, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > On 2010-11-03 15:46, Jamie Bullock wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> This is more of philosophical question than anything else. I'm curious to >> know why [sig~] hasn't been designed out of Pd. Why not have implicit >> control -> signal conversio

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-04 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-11-03 15:46, Jamie Bullock wrote: > > Hi all, > > This is more of philosophical question than anything else. I'm curious to > know why [sig~] hasn't been designed out of Pd. Why not have implicit control > -> signal conversion everywhere it is possible? > > For example why not allow th

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-04 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
On 2010-11-03 23:42, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > Is this because signal inlets of signal objects (except for the > leftmost) don't accept one-element lists? If so I think it'd be > a cheaper workaround putting a [t f] before those inlets. > or upgrade to Pd-0.43, where there is an implicit

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Wed, 11/3/10, Andy Farnell wrote: > From: Andy Farnell > Subject: Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~ > To: pd-list@iem.at > Date: Wednesday, November 3, 2010, 5:14 PM > There are some uses of [sig~] which > are not immediately > obvious but turn out to be desirable. By defi

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Andy Farnell
Ah yes! A joy us vanilla freaks have yet to fully cherish. :) a. On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:42:07 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > They are already explicit-- at least in pd-extended, where the > signal inlets are visually distinct from the control inlets. -- Andy Farnell _

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Andy Farnell
Though on the downside... a [sig~] is more expensive. The good part about implicit conversion is you have to do it once and the object can retain that state. cheers a. On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:20:57 + Jamie Bullock wrote: > > On 3 Nov 2010, at 16:14, Andy Farnell wrote: > > > There are

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Jamie Bullock
On 3 Nov 2010, at 15:21, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > On Wed, 3 Nov 2010, Jamie Bullock wrote: > >> This is more of philosophical question than anything else. > > I think of it as rather pragmatic. What does make a question philosophical > according to you ? I mean that I'm interested in the rea

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Jamie Bullock
On 3 Nov 2010, at 16:14, Andy Farnell wrote: > There are some uses of [sig~] which are not immediately > obvious but turn out to be desirable. By definition it > is useful any place you want a message domain value converted > to a signal, without any further ado. Without it, relying > only on imp

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Andy Farnell
There are some uses of [sig~] which are not immediately obvious but turn out to be desirable. By definition it is useful any place you want a message domain value converted to a signal, without any further ado. Without it, relying only on implicit conversion you might never have access to a signal

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread brandon zeeb
In response to your example below, the result of the addition will be 5~ given that messages [2( and [3( were sent while DSP was off. This is a surprise to me! [sig~] can be helpful when you require a constant value at audio-rate, any example I can conjure seems contrived (as in writing a constan

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Jack
Le mercredi 03 novembre 2010 à 14:46 +, Jamie Bullock a écrit : > Hi all, > > This is more of philosophical question than anything else. I'm curious to > know why [sig~] hasn't been designed out of Pd. Why not have implicit control > -> signal conversion everywhere it is possible? > > For e

Re: [PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Wed, 3 Nov 2010, Jamie Bullock wrote: This is more of philosophical question than anything else. I think of it as rather pragmatic. What does make a question philosophical according to you ? I'm curious to know why [sig~] hasn't been designed out of Pd. But it *has* been designed out.

[PD] Purpose of sig~

2010-11-03 Thread Jamie Bullock
Hi all, This is more of philosophical question than anything else. I'm curious to know why [sig~] hasn't been designed out of Pd. Why not have implicit control -> signal conversion everywhere it is possible? For example why not allow this? |2( |3( | | [+~ ] Jamie -- http://www.jam