Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-29 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Hi, Miller Puckette wrote: > I have this problem too... I'm baffled for the moment but want to figure it > out and fix it :) Great. By the way, I have followed IOhannes' recommendation and posted the issue to the bugtracker (#2978457), including the latest version of the example patch and a descr

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-29 Thread Miller Puckette
I have this problem too... I'm baffled for the moment but want to figure it out and fix it :) Miller On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 10:39:44AM +0100, Florian Hollerweger wrote: > Hi, > > IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > > one thing you you try, is to explicitely set the samplerate at startup: > > try "pd -n

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-29 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Hi, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: > one thing you you try, is to explicitely set the samplerate at startup: > try "pd -nogui -r 44100" I remember this trick having been suggested also for the "no [loadbang]->[;pd dsp 1( under -nogui" problem. As there, it does not work for me in the current situatio

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-29 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
hi On 2010-03-27 17:11, Derek Holzer wrote: > Hey Flo, > > IOhannes accused me of making this up when I posted it a week or so ago > ;-) > Thanks for posting a documented example. Yes it does seem like > voodoo doesn't it? i haven't tried the patch yet, but indeed there seems to be a problem,

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Hi Georg, hi list, Georg Werner wrote: > FYI, your patch works with -nogui and winxp even without the [switch~]. > Pd version 0.41.4-extended-20090509 Thank you so much for this revealing contribution. I can indeed confirm that Windows XP seems to be free from the -nogui audio initialisation prob

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread Georg Werner
Hi, FYI, your patch works with -nogui and winxp even without the [switch~]. Pd version 0.41.4-extended-20090509 Matteo Sisti Sette: > 3) _Every_ single abstraction that contains any dsp objects (or some > "ascendant" of it), always contains a [switch~], which is loadbanged > to off, and later ex

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread hard off
So having a [switch~] would solve all the -nogui initialization troubles? That is valuable to know. Thanks. that was just a guess. we actually got around it by modifying pd code. florian, sorry i can not post the link, because it wasn't me who did the hack.

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Hi, Roman Haefeli wrote: > So having a [switch~] would solve all the -nogui initialization > troubles? That is valuable to know. Thanks. I am afraid I cannot confirm this, as illustrated in the attached example. This is the same patch I posted yesterday, extended by a loadbanged [switch~]. Or am

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Hi, hard off wrote: > however, when run in -nogui mode, the samplerate is set after the > delayline code, and the calculation for the delayline is set with > samplerate = 0 This sounds reasonable - thanks for illuminating this issue! > our hack was just to tweak the pd code to have a hardcoded s

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Sun, 2010-03-28 at 19:06 +0900, hard off wrote: > matteo, by putting a [switch~] in each patch, it could possibly > alleviate the problem, because i assume the [switch~] object forces > samplerate to be recalculated. So having a [switch~] would solve all the -nogui initialization troubles? That

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread hard off
matteo, by putting a [switch~] in each patch, it could possibly alleviate the problem, because i assume the [switch~] object forces samplerate to be recalculated. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-28 Thread hard off
i also ran into this problem. if i can remember correctly, the cause was something along the lines of: the pd samplerate needs to be set before the delayline code is initiated. if pd is run in gui mode, then the gui initialization forces the order correctly. however, when run in -nogui mode, the

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Sat, 2010-03-27 at 17:11 +0100, Derek Holzer wrote: > Hey Flo, > > IOhannes accused me of making this up when I posted it a week or so ago > ;-) Thanks for posting a documented example. Yes it does seem like > voodoo doesn't it? > I also once stumbled across the problem [delread~] not being

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Somebody wrote: >> The way I remember it, anything to do with tables or other allocated >> memory can break with -nogui. [tabwrite~], [tabread~], [delwrite~], >> [delread~], [vd~] etc etc I'm very curious about this issue and quite surprised, since I have been using -nogui for a long time,

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Hi Matt, Matt Barber wrote: > what I was suggesting was that the -nogui might be > interfering with the implementation of the delay lines themselves, not > specifically with [delread~]. I agree, the [delread~] behavior under -nogui seems to be the/a symptom of a cause which is probably located at

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Matt Barber
Right -- what I was suggesting was that the -nogui might be interfering with the implementation of the delay lines themselves, not specifically with [delread~]. Matt On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 2:19 PM, Florian Hollerweger wrote: > Hi Matt, > > Matt Barber wrote: >> Are we sure this is a problem wit

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Matt Barber
Are we sure this is a problem with [delread~]? There's a related bug where if you open a patch which has delays at one sample rate, if you then change the sample rate in the preferences it won't reallocate the delay buffers, so if you increase the sample rate, you're left with shorter delay lines

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Hi Derek, Derek Holzer wrote: > IOhannes accused me of making this up when I posted it a week or so ago > ;-) Gee, I swear I searched the archives first :-] > Yes it does seem like voodoo doesn't it? Since the discovery of the infamous "no [loadbang]->[;pd dsp 1] under -nogui" bug (posted on th

Re: [PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Derek Holzer
Hey Flo, IOhannes accused me of making this up when I posted it a week or so ago ;-) Thanks for posting a documented example. Yes it does seem like voodoo doesn't it? D. On 3/27/10 3:13 PM, Florian Hollerweger wrote: Dear list, When starting Pd with the -nogui flag, [delread~] seems to ign

[PD] Weird [delread~] behavior under -nogui

2010-03-27 Thread Florian Hollerweger
Dear list, When starting Pd with the -nogui flag, [delread~] seems to ignore its float input (specifying the delay time in ms) and instead produce sounds which resemble a [delwrite~]/[delread~] loop at very short (one block of audio?) delay times. Attached is a minimal example. (Attention, this w