[PD] [announce] Positronic Pure Data Workshop in Berlin
i was trying to post this on pd-announce but no success so 2.service on pd-list pardon for crossposting! *Positronic Pure Data - get automated! *by the Galactic Patrol of Olsen Wolf Roman Häfeli In search of positronic signalprocessing we'll offer a starter course for entities interested in modulating electromechanical elements for their work. The workshop will cover basic devices and technologies of sensors(pressure, distance, light, movement) and actuators(motors, solenoids, switches, relays etc.). Control out of control scenarios will become physical with the help of puredata/arduino and electromechanical devices from the peripherals of usability a.k.a. trash brought by the participants. *Date:* 2pm 10. Sept - 12 Sept *Location:* microresearch / Berlin *Cost:* 25€ / participant (parts and food included) *Subscription:* mailto m_at_1010_dot_co_dot_uk *all details: *http://www.1010.co.uk/org/workshop.html Number of participants limited! http://www.1010.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors]
Hallo, João Pais hat gesagt: // João Pais wrote: anyway, I downloaded a couple files, and saw no reference subatch. I downloaded rj_accum-help.pd and rj_senergy~-help.pd, and they were normal help patches. Which ones did you meant? I was talking about the rj library of abstractions, which you can get here: http://trac.rjdj.me/browser/trunk/rjlib/rj or: svn co http://svn.rjdj.me/scenes/trunk/rjlib/ I'm currenty converting the help files in alphabetical order, so things like a_onset, e_alias or e_bitcrusher are already in the new format. And btw, one thing I would do is to download the rjdj library to study. is there a place where the whole pack of files can be downloaded? For that just grab the RjDj Composer pack: http://trac.rjdj.me/wiki/ComposersPack Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] computer music WAS: Re: Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
On Fri, 2009-09-04 at 12:44 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Sep 4, 2009, at 12:09 PM, glerm soares wrote: 2009/9/4 glerm soares organi...@gmail.com I have yet to see any computer or electronic music show that can hold a candle to the feeling of being packed into a room of people dancing face-to-face with 9 musicians pouring their guts into completely physical instruments. we don't even need sound to prove it: http://www.flickr.com/photos/purecanesugar/3824634806/sizes/l/ cheers ;) glerm That was fun, that was the samba night in the Pelorinho in Salvador after the ISCL event. So for me the question is, how do we get music using computers to be more like that? use netpd (what seems like a cheap ad is rather a prompt to myself to dive into it again. without saying something about the quality of the resulting music, it at least enabled some people quite some times to have the feeling of being part of an expressive exchange with eachother by using music creating tools. i find your question quite intriguing and i think, it's definitely worth trying to 'get music using computers to be more like that'.) roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors]
--- On Sat, 9/5/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors] To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, pd-list@iem.at, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 11:39 PM On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Sat, 9/5/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: I don't know, but if a template doesn't allow to say something complex like «Pierre wrote the reference section, Jean wrote the theoretical background section, Jacques provided the examples» then that template should be just shot dead. You have included commas in your example. But I thought you were arguing that commas will cause problems down the line. If you are making a tag system and are going to search by full tagnames, than each tag has better be a single symbol and each request better not contain commas. But there are things for which you'd search by text content, and people are using commas all over english text, so naturally, if the author field needs to be in plain english, it will need to be searched like plain english is to be searched. I assume your talking about the HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR field, and not AUTHOR. (But maybe there are better names for these.) I'm supposing that a tag system is something in which a tag is atomic (you don't search for substrings of tags when you search by tag) and in which tags are considered more special than the rest of the text, because else why bother calling it a tag system and why bother making it any different from a plain text search. furthermore, i suppose that there is an aim of semantic unambiguïty, that is, there is some kind of standard on tags such that either fm or frequency_modulation is used but not both because all synonymous words for 1 thing are represented by 1 tag. I don't understand your last point, as far as parsing in Pd is concerned. If you have the tag frequency_modulation, how is it that the user can search for fm and get appropriate results? -Jonathan _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors]
On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I assume your talking about the HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR field, and not AUTHOR. (But maybe there are better names for these.) Yes, I confused the two with my example, but let's say that the authorship of one object-class is Johannes wrote the original version, Martin added a TCP transport module or Paquette wrote the whole abstraction, but we'd like to thank the XYZ institute for encumbering it with a patent. There are numerous things that one may want to put in an AUTHOR field in the real world. It's not like a university lab, where you just have to write the name of your advisor in that field and not think twice (except if you are unlucky enough to have several advisors at once). I don't understand your last point, as far as parsing in Pd is concerned. If you have the tag frequency_modulation, how is it that the user can search for fm and get appropriate results? They can't. Why should they? What's a tag? Tell me what's a tag and what's the point of having tags. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors]
--- On Sat, 9/5/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors] To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, pd-list@iem.at, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Date: Saturday, September 5, 2009, 8:59 PM On Fri, 4 Sep 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: But then what to do about multiple help patch authors? I don't know, but if a template doesn't allow to say something complex like «Pierre wrote the reference section, Jean wrote the theoretical background section, Jacques provided the examples» then that template should be just shot dead. You have included commas in your example. But I thought you were arguing that commas will cause problems down the line. -Jonathan _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors]
--- On Sun, 9/6/09, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors] To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, pd-list@iem.at, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 1:34 AM On Sat, 5 Sep 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I assume your talking about the HELP_PATCH_AUTHOR field, and not AUTHOR. (But maybe there are better names for these.) Yes, I confused the two with my example, but let's say that the authorship of one object-class is Johannes wrote the original version, Martin added a TCP transport module or Paquette wrote the whole abstraction, but we'd like to thank the XYZ institute for encumbering it with a patent. There are numerous things that one may want to put in an AUTHOR field in the real world. It's not like a university lab, where you just have to write the name of your advisor in that field and not think twice (except if you are unlucky enough to have several advisors at once). I don't understand your last point, as far as parsing in Pd is concerned. If you have the tag frequency_modulation, how is it that the user can search for fm and get appropriate results? They can't. Why should they? I've been assuming that one of the aims of tags (i.e., keywords) is that there would be a search window in the browser so you can search for relevant help patches/tutorial patches/ etc. Or maybe an actual patch, since Hans has said that the keywords should be parsable in pd. There are already some categories from which simple, standard keywords may be used, but for some terms like frequency modulation there's the aforementioned problem of the space between the words. Given that, frequency_modulation is certainly one solution, and users can get used to using underscores when searching, but why not also include fm and modulation in case the user happens to type that (which would be completely reasonable)? What's a tag? A keyword. Tell me what's a tag and what's the point of having tags. I saw your nick in the irc discussion of the PDDP, didn't you actually take part in some of these decisions? Anyhow, here's a link to the specification: http://puredata.info/dev/pddp/SpecificationForHelpPatchSearching _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [pd REFERENCE] format [was: Re: Pd META: Author/Help Patch Authors]
Jonathan Wilkes wrote: I've been assuming that one of the aims of tags (i.e., keywords) is that there would be a search window in the browser so you can search for relevant help patches/tutorial patches/ etc. Or maybe an actual patch, since Hans has said that the keywords should be parsable in pd. There are already some categories from which simple, standard keywords may be used, but for some terms like frequency modulation there's the aforementioned problem of the space between the words. Given that, frequency_modulation is certainly one solution, and users can get used to using underscores when searching, but why not also include fm and modulation in case the user happens to type that (which would be completely reasonable) As I see it a tag like fm would be associated with synonyms like frequency modulation, frequency_modulation, Frequency Modulation modulation de frequence, DX7 synthesis that could be added to it at any later date, so a search for any of the synonyms would ultimately return whatever was connected to the tag. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Thirty-first meeting of the Pd club of Montréal, QC
apportez vos portables mon telephone? veuillez m'envoyer par courriel vos soumissions soumissions, haha ! strange french out there pero viva el marques de sade, y jess franco i keep talking, you'll never get me ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] computer music WAS: Re: Pd at a livecoding event on the BBC
Chris McCormick wrote: On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 03:40:20PM +0200, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: Chris McCormick wrote: On Fri, Sep 04, 2009 at 02:35:00PM +0200, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: as far as noise is concerned, my favs all use analog equipment : wolf eyes, incapacitants, macronympha, to live and shave in L.A., kk null, ... Pretty sure I saw two kaoss pads on stage when kk null was playing. classification analog/digital is very arbitrary, as all use both, like pan sonic uses a lot of electronics, i don't know why they will still be classified in computer music, maybe the way they use it makes it sound like computer music-? Yeah, totally agree. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx i forgot to mention one band that matters : esplendor geometrico from madrid so yeh all computer music is not to send to the trash but most of it is boring and more than that there is absolutely nothing new btw, i don't like samba, gipsies fanfares, drum bass, autechre and all popular culture, no way, sounds boring before it starts ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] riff machine - Navalha [nvl] object project
nice work glerm! 2009/9/3 glerm soares organi...@gmail.com Hiya, I am sharing and documenting an abstraction that I am working since some months ago, that is based in an old project I had with pd - to do a beatslicer for plunderphonics , a kind of a riff machine... project: http://navalha.devolts.org/en file: http://estudiolivre.org/repo/7378/navalha_1.0.0.tar.gz git repository: $ git clone git://github.com/glerm/navalha This project was inspired mainly by the bsaylor's susloop~ help patches some years ago and started again with a patch found in this forum: http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1953-sample-slicer-user-selectable-slicesdone by hardoff. (thanks a lot for sharing, I hope you like the derivative ideas) I worked mainly in a GUI for an integrated editor and player, a detailed documentation for inspire the beginners and in a [textfile] based preset saving system creating a metadata of riffs, hope all you like it. All the code is easy to browse with a bang called hack-me thanks to all pd community any doubts, please share here... abraço! glerm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.scomposizionisoniche.wordpress.com www.myspace.com/bloodythings ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
