Hey there
I don't know whether to be proud of these patches or abjectly ashamed, but I
thought you might like a nosey. Two patches I was playing with on my mac...
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On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 23:47 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Plus some weirdness:
[s2l] doesn't create.
[symbol2list] does create, after which:
[s2l] creates (?)
-Jonathan
Is vanilla pd-extended not exhibiting this particular problem? Just
checking before digging into code...
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 04:04 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 23:47 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Plus some weirdness:
[s2l] doesn't create.
[symbol2list] does create, after which:
[s2l] creates (?)
-Jonathan
Is vanilla pd-extended not exhibiting this particular
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In my experience with emulating OOP in Pd I've had moderate success. As a
Java developer by day, I find myself attempting to recreate familiar
patterns within Pd (ie: usually IoC and Flyweight in Pd). Main problems
with recreating OOP in Pd are the following:
1. Everything is global
2.
What exactly would this (#4) look like in Pd?
-Jonathan
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, brandon zeeb zeeb.bran...@gmail.com wrote:
From: brandon zeeb zeeb.bran...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] PD OOP?
To: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 1:51 PM
In my experience with emulating
Many options have been proposed over the years, my favorite thus far is
[thiscanvas]
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2004-12/003430.html
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote:
What exactly would this (#4) look like in Pd?
-Jonathan
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On 2010-12-15 13:51, brandon zeeb wrote:
1. Everything is global
hmm, i'd say the content of a message is as local as can be.
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Well there is [sendcanvas] in iemguts.
I'm not sure how related it is, but I sent Miller an idea (and maybe to this
list) about adding a glist field to [struct] and having a subpatch that is a
kind of template for that field. You could then define that structure as the
template for an array
The point here refers to the common use of $0. This isn't necessarily a bad
thing (and is actually helpful in most cases), but can make certain things a
little more difficult with regards to true OOP.
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:14 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.atwrote:
On 2010-12-15
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
What exactly would this (#4) look like in Pd?
1. Everything is global
4. No concept of this
The use of the $0- prefix for receive-symbols ([r]) and variables ([v]).
It's a hack. I made a similar hack for making OOP in Tcl, but at
On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting
licenses, or was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version
the other license was added?
Well, I found the military
On 2010-12-15 15:38, brandon zeeb wrote:
The point here refers to the common use of $0. This isn't necessarily a bad
thing (and is actually helpful in most cases), but can make certain things a
little more difficult with regards to true OOP.
the point i was trying to make is: people usually
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:
2. No control over abstraction (object) construction order and
lifecycle
What's that ?
3. No introspection (although not required, very helpful, and don't tell me
it's in some external, I don't care!)
Why do you don't care about externals that
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Andrew Faraday wrote:
You might want to have a look at Jamie Bullock's abstraction based
solution(which also went out on this list). Which was quite eloquent, if
a little limiting at first. It's a little way back from the dream of
dropping lines of OO code into pd but
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-15 13:51, brandon zeeb wrote:
1. Everything is global
hmm, i'd say the content of a message is as local as can be.
A patchcord by itself is also pretty local. Think of it as some kind of
function-pointer (or rather,
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Can't reproduce over here. Are you running different libs and are they
precompiled for l2ork?
When failing to reproduce a bug that only someone else has, always try
Valgrind, in case the bug is invisible. It doesn't work all of the time
(there
Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:
2. No control over abstraction (object) construction order and
lifecycle
What's that ?
3. No introspection (although not required, very helpful, and don't
tell me it's in some external, I don't care!)
Why do you don't
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:
Say you compute a raised cosine window and store it in a table, this
table is used within one instance of a granular table reading voice
abstraction, 1-n of these abstractions are created at run time for
polyphony. Now you have N instances of this
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 02:16 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available
To: Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu
Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com,
Sorry, gmail is hacking up the comment log. Comments are inline.
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:
Say you compute a raised cosine window and store it in a table, this
table is used within one instance of a
You're simply hiding the bug:
1. With the Properties dialogue open, go back and click somewhere
on the patch to deselect the iemgui. (Btw-- there are times when
this behavior is convienent, so please don't make the Properties
dialogue force focus.)
2. Click Ok.
3. Still crashes.
No
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I agree on this.. but why you say is it sad? It means Pd is modular like any
sane programming 'environment'... You couldn't do much in a programming
language using it vanilla no? (well apart from assembler maybe)... IMHO
It's sad because many of the
It seems it is not, because it has a copy of
'symbol2list.pd_linux'
renamed to 's2l.pd_linux' in extra/flatspace.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of aliases in externals/build that work
the same way.
Are there any other that exhibit this issue? s2l is missing because
latest svn
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Ok, so I made a list of flatspace objects missing and I keep wondering
if it would not be better to simply do away with all these aliases and
start anew thus encouraging all potential users of pd-l2ork to shed
their redundant aliases in their
Hi all,
I was trying to get a slider ( [hsl] ) to change color gradually as you drag
it to the right.
I'm using the RGB color subpatch from the slider help patch (inside subpatch
'editing')
The strange thing is: when I drag the slider itself, it doesn't follow the
RGB values, but it jumps between
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, tim vets wrote:
Hi all,I was trying to get a slider ( [hsl] ) to change color gradually
as you drag it to the right. I'm using the RGB color subpatch from the
slider help patch (inside subpatch 'editing') The strange thing is: when
I drag the slider itself, it doesn't
2010/12/15 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, tim vets wrote:
Hi all,I was trying to get a slider ( [hsl] ) to change color gradually as
you drag it to the right. I'm using the RGB color subpatch from the slider
help patch (inside subpatch 'editing') The strange thing
Ok, new version is now up that should fix this and other issues in respect to
core pd. I will work on zexy aliases next to offset the loss of flatspace. Now
that I've isolated offending aliases This should be fairly easy.
Cheers!
Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote:
You're simply hiding the
There is still some work to be done before those can be shed because some of
those externals in their original non-aliased format use inconsistent naming
schemes. Namely some of them use abbreviated format like a2l (or whatever its
name is I cannot remember off top of my head) while others use
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
So I guess what I'm saying is that community needs to decide whether to
keep the long or short versions of those objects and convert the ones
that arent accordingly.
Ah, but who is the community, exactly ?
I'm amazed just how much conversation this has caused, and I've only had a
chance to skim-read all the replies that it's gained today so here's a couple
of answers.
* Perhaps it's not really OOP, my idea was, like most web development services,
to have an 'in line' embed of ruby (or another
As for named variables, [rl] and [sl] are local.
-Jonathan
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote:
From: IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] PD OOP?
To: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Wednesday, December 15, 2010, 4:19 PM
On 2010-12-15 15:38, brandon zeeb
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote:
From: Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at, l2ork-...@disis.music.vt.edu, l...@lists.linuxaudio.org,
pik...@piksel.no
Date:
If you look inside the externals/build/src folder you should see
them. (I think they are all from zexy but not absolutely sure.)
Isn't class_addcreator supposed to take care of this?
-Jonathan
--- On Wed, 12/15/10, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote:
From: Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote:
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:
do you, really ?
Why are people getting offended here?
Am I getting offended ? How would you know, anyway ?
Well, you're certainly argumentative :-/
Having to
--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available
To: Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu
Cc: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com, pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 12:17 AM
On
Would you make use of the following if they were included in Pd vanilla?
* symbol2list
* initbang and closebang
* a way to read a text file that's guaranteed to not generate a bad argument
error
-Jonathan
--- On Thu, 12/16/10, brandon zeeb zeeb.bran...@gmail.com wrote:
From: brandon zeeb
Hi Ivica,
This may just be leftovers from a previous install:
When I run pd by typing in '/usr/local/bin/pd-l2ork' it works fine.
When I run it by typing pd-l2ork, I get:
sh: /usr/bin/pd-gui: not found
And it just waits there until I hit ctrl-c.
Any hints?
-Jonathan
Yes, I would, as they fill language gaps :)
While we're at it, toss in the IEM stuff (soundfile_info, iemguts, etc).
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote:
Would you make use of the following if they were included in Pd vanilla?
* symbol2list
* initbang
On Dec 15, 2010, at 2:56 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
It seems it is not, because it has a copy of
'symbol2list.pd_linux'
renamed to 's2l.pd_linux' in extra/flatspace.
Yeah, there's a whole bunch of aliases in externals/build that work
the same way.
Are there any other that exhibit this
On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, brandon zeeb wrote:
Well, you're certainly argumentative :-/
If that's a problem... then it's over.
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On Wed, 15 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
If you look inside the externals/build/src folder you should see
them. (I think they are all from zexy but not absolutely sure.)
Isn't class_addcreator supposed to take care of this?
class_addcreator can only take care of this if it is run. It is
On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 17:56 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
What does exploded mean?
-Jonathan
Within this context I believe it means partitioned into smaller pieces
(one lib becomes many sub-libs).
HTH
Ico
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On Dec 15, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote:
Sounds good to me. I've made it a habit years ago to not use aliases.
Except it is not consistent that way in respect to zexy lib where
a2l is
default object for any2list whereas list2symbol is written out in
full.
It seems to me
I believe he means I split out each objectclass into its own file,
like Java does. That allows us to use namespaces prefixes like zexy/
symbol2list.
.hc
On Dec 15, 2010, at 8:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
What does exploded mean?
-Jonathan
--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Mathieu Bouchard
Ok, I just fixed some things, that build was quite rough. Tomorrow's
should be working better.
.hc
On Dec 14, 2010, at 12:23 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
I took a stab at using the 0.43 nightly build on Lenny. The package
installed ok and here's what I found:
* when I first ran pd, I
AFAIK, a2l can be replaced by the vanilla [list].
Then I agree with your decision to drop aliases altogether.
Perhaps all libs should be looked over for redundant copies and only the
most stable/polished iterations should be left in the final build. Is
there a list of such objects and their
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:23:24AM -0500, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
IMHO, directing your criticism at pd-vanilla alone is extremely
unproductive. You have to accept the fact that doing real work in Pd may
require a lot of externals. It's sad, but it's like that. I wouldn't use
Pd if it
Hi all,
I have been playing with fft lately and was wondering if anyone has some
pointers on how to extract consonants from vowels in human speech. I suspect it
is detection of noisy signal that generally populates a much wider band of
frequencies approaching some sort of filtered white noise
--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote:
From: Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx
Subject: Re: [PD] PD OOP?
To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010, 5:40 AM
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:23:24AM
-0500,
On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:57:08PM -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Thu, 12/16/10, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote:
From: Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx
Subject: Re: [PD] PD OOP?
To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Thursday,
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