Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Chocolate et Coffee

2014-01-13 Thread Pierre Guillot
Hi, I may have been sensitive, I needed 2 days break, sorry. If we focus on the important facts, I received really constructive feedbacks and I've been able to improve the library for the next release. Joao suggestions : - The properties window will have a fixed size. - We can set (in the code)

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Chocolate et Coffee

2014-01-13 Thread i go bananas
i very much doubt miller will include stuff in vanilla that's not backwards compatible. seeing as how these objects don't even work with my (relatively) recent 0.42.5 version, i can't see how they'd pass. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Pierre Guillot guillotpier...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Chocolate et Coffee

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
Well, backwards compatibility can have reasonable limitations and perhaps this is one. On Jan 13, 2014, at 6:18 AM, i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: i very much doubt miller will include stuff in vanilla that's not backwards compatible. seeing as how these objects don't even work with

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve the PD gui development doesn't move fast enough problem in the long term. In this case, Miller would have the core (in libpd) the pd-vanilla wrapper gui formally separated while everyone else can then use the same

Re: [PD] groove machine how to: keep metro and a loop in sync

2014-01-13 Thread Funs Seelen
Hi Filippo, You're welcome. You probably forgot to reply-to-all, but I added pd-list to the conversation. I hope you don't mind, but I do this ... a) to prevent ten people to answer the same question, not knowing that nine others are or have been spending time to do exactly the same, and b) for

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Chocolate et Coffee

2014-01-13 Thread João Pais
is it possible/feasible to add a switch so that "old" objects don't get replaced by the new ones? e.g. by analysing the parameters of the creation objects? if so, and someone delivers the code for this (I don't know how to do it myself), there might be a better chance of these objects making it

Re: [PD] groove machine how to: keep metro and a loop in sync

2014-01-13 Thread Brian Fay
I'm not super-familiar with the guts of Pd's scheduling system, but I think that if one metro object outputs a bang to separate tabplay~ objects, both should start playing at exactly the same time. While using line~ or phasor~ can lead to more robust samplers (allowing you to adjust playback

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 01/13/2014 09:32 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve the PD gui development doesn't move fast enough problem in the long term. In this case, Miller would have the core (in libpd) the pd-vanilla wrapper gui formally

[PD] Check for batch and/or nogui mode from Patch

2014-01-13 Thread Thomas Mayer
Hi, is there a way to get information on whether Pd has been started with -batch or -nogui from inside a patch? I am trying to make unit tests by starting a Pd instance in batch mode from Python, and comparing the output from [stdout] to the desired result, and I want Pd to close itself via [;

Re: [PD] groove machine how to: keep metro and a loop in sync

2014-01-13 Thread Filippo Beck Peccoz
Thank you Funs for pointing the reply-all thing out, sorry! Now sending to the whole list :) I'd be happy to keep tabplay for this since it seems solid and easy to work with, but will have to look deeper into the phasor~ solution, it looks very interesting. Brian, thanks for your suggestions,

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 09:32 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve the PD gui development doesn't move fast enough problem in the long

Re: [PD] Check for batch and/or nogui mode from Patch

2014-01-13 Thread Cyrille Henry
hello, the most simple solution is to add a message at startup : pd -batch -send testquit bang [loadbang] | [message for object( | [object-to-test] | [t b a] | | | [stdout] | | [r testquit] | | | [1 | | [spigot 0] | [; pd quit( cheers c Le 13/01/2014 20:26,

Re: [PD] Check for batch and/or nogui mode from Patch

2014-01-13 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Mon, 2014-01-13 at 20:26 +0100, Thomas Mayer wrote: Hi, is there a way to get information on whether Pd has been started with -batch or -nogui from inside a patch? Though I consider Cyrille's approach the clean way for your specific purpose, there is also a way to check for '-batch'

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 01/13/2014 03:11 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 09:32 AM, Dan Wilcox wrote: As Hans has proposed for years, IMO this is really the only way to perhaps solve

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 03:11 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Sorry, I don't know quite what you're referring to here. The only two

[PD] UDP vs TCP, for OSC networking

2014-01-13 Thread Jonghyun Kim
Hi list, I'm sending data between two computers, in every 10ms. For fast networking, TCP is better result? I don't know which is better. Most tutorials show example of OSC with UDP. Why? Thanks, Jong ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Dan Wilcox
Ah wait, duh. Of course the graph needs to know positioning, that's how it determines execution order or independent blocks of objects right? On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Does the dsp graph rely on positioning? I thought only via connections. I'd

Re: [PD] UDP vs TCP, for OSC networking

2014-01-13 Thread Scott R. Looney
hi, i'm not an expert on PD but my feeling was that TCP does error checking while UDP does not, and that at least is one reason why TCP should be slower than UDP in a typical networking situation. scott On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Jonghyun Kim agitato...@gmail.com wrote: Hi list, I'm

Re: [PD] Check for batch and/or nogui mode from Patch

2014-01-13 Thread Thomas Mayer
Hi, On 13.01.2014 21:20, Cyrille Henry wrote: hello, the most simple solution is to add a message at startup : pd -batch -send testquit bang thanks, that worked liked a charm. Minor correction though: The command line is pd -batch -send testquit bang [loadbang] | [message for object(

Re: [PD] libpd separating gui from core

2014-01-13 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 01/13/2014 05:14 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: On Jan 13, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: On 01/13/2014 03:11 PM, Dan Wilcox wrote: Woops, forgot the reply-all. On Jan 13, 2014, at 2:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com

Re: [PD] UDP vs TCP, for OSC networking

2014-01-13 Thread Ryan Smith
Pretty much. TCP ensures that every packet gets there intact. You have a back and forth between the server of the packet and the client to make sure. UDP just sends the packet where you ask, and doesn't confirm whether it makes it at all. Generally for most OSC use the number of packets you're