[PD] elitism, software and academia (was GEM FTGL Sadness)

2007-06-06 Thread jared
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 03:40:51PM +0100, timon wrote: > Some time ago I was explained the issues of why FTGL libs was not > included GEM for the extended OSX release of PD. The answer did not > make me any wiser. The conclusion was "Compile it yourself". Its a > shame that such a great too

Re: [PD] Click-through edit mode

2007-06-06 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Also: control-alt/option seems to work in that capacity as well. On 6/7/07, Luke Iannini (pd) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey all, > I remember someone asked about a modifier to interact with GUI > elements temporarily without leaving editmode. I hadn't heard of > this, so I checked out pd.tk...

[PD] Click-through edit mode

2007-06-06 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Hey all, I remember someone asked about a modifier to interact with GUI elements temporarily without leaving editmode. I hadn't heard of this, so I checked out pd.tk... the modifier on all platforms is control-shift-click, it seems. Works great on OS X here. Just thought I'd pass this along, sin

Re: [PD] GEM FTGL Sadness

2007-06-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I made a Fink package for FTGL, so you can now "fink install ftgl". If you want to build Gem like it is in Pd-extended, you should use this bear of a ./configure line: cd $(gem_src)/src && ./configure --without-x --without-ImageMagick \ --without-tiff --without-jpeg --without-mpeg --

Re: [PD] meet at NIME?

2007-06-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Actually, you knew something I didn't... ;) It was off for the summer... .hc On Jun 6, 2007, at 12:41 PM, Spencer Russell wrote: > The dorkbot site says that dorkbot is off for the summer. Do you guys > know something I don't? > > -spencer > > On 6/6/07, Alexandre Quessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [PD] GEM FTGL Sadness

2007-06-06 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 03:40:51PM +0100, timon wrote: > Some time ago I was explained the issues of why FTGL libs was not > included GEM for the extended OSX release of PD. The answer did not > make me any wiser. The conclusion was "Compile it yourself". Its a > shame that such a great tool

Re: [PD] Clickable gop data structure

2007-06-06 Thread Chris McCormick
On Tue, Jun 05, 2007 at 11:45:37AM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > Is there some other way to make a clickable element? Chris's s-env > > abstraction seems to detect ctrl-click, but It isn't obvious to me how > > this is achieved... > > Nothing special here: ctrl-click is a standard feature of "

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread hard off
i'm getting a similar problem in a large modular patch that does a LOT of switch~ing cpu usage just gradually climbs. also i just switched from a powerbook running osx, to a toshiba running ubuntu studio, so i doubt it is platform specific. this thread has given me a few ideas for how to debug

[PD] denormals

2007-06-06 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I may be missing something, but... I don't think it should be any surprise that intels and other processors "still" have the denormal problem. AFAIU, a processor may handle denormals in a more or less efficient way, but it will always be quite much slower when handling denormals than when

Re: [PD] binweise delay

2007-06-06 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, ugur guney hat gesagt: // ugur guney wrote: > # I wanna see it, if the patch of which wonderful screenshot is at the top > of this page, http://footils.org/cms/show/60, is in the archive. It is. > But sadly, fft-tut.tgz has only a file "fft-tut" with no extension > in it? Probably that'

Re: [PD] gem+ati

2007-06-06 Thread Nikola Jeremic
thanx 4 the info... looks like i have 2 get nvidia nikola On 6/6/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hallo, Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote: > have you tried to compile yourself the version from cvs? I had the same > problem when I first tried GEM (although wi

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Kyle Klipowicz
No problems here on a G4 PowerBook, but this delay is pretty rad, do you have any more?! ~Kyle On 6/6/07, Dafydd Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi folks > > Okay - I think this is more or less the same patch, with a couple of > minor changes: > > http://sideshowmedia.ca/cputest.zip > > Oddly

Re: [PD] binweise delay

2007-06-06 Thread ugur guney
# I wanna see it, if the patch of which wonderful screenshot is at the top of this page, http://footils.org/cms/show/60, is in the archive. But sadly, fft-tut.tgz has only a file "fft-tut" with no extension in it? -uğur- Did you look at the spectral delay included in that archie here: http://foo

Re: [PD] [ann]: compilation problems

2007-06-06 Thread Patco
hello, I've just compiled ann yet for a k8, it works good if you use FANN < 2.0, I also had to put libfann.so.1 into /usr/include instead of /usr/local/include. Those two points doesn't seem to be in the documentation, and maybe the second one might be fixed with a modification of the makefile

Re: [PD] Pd linking to Openoffice

2007-06-06 Thread Atwood, Robert C
My choice was to give up on Ubuntu and go for Debian, Ubutu gave me a taste of the Debian-style distro, but lacks packages I wanted. (Still have a soft spot for Slackware though) It was not due to a problem like yours however.. When compiling stuff, I usually do as root,thus avoiding any such

Re: [PD] meet at NIME?

2007-06-06 Thread Spencer Russell
The dorkbot site says that dorkbot is off for the summer. Do you guys know something I don't? -spencer On 6/6/07, Alexandre Quessy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HI all ! > I'll be there too, but I will probably not make it for Dorkbot > tonight. Friday would sound better. > > a >

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Dafydd Hughes
Hi folks Okay - I think this is more or less the same patch, with a couple of minor changes: http://sideshowmedia.ca/cputest.zip Oddly, I can't reproduce my original problem, although some fascinating new things have shown up. Perhaps it was a PowerPC issue? (I'm now on a MacBook) Try switchi

Re: [PD] binweise delay

2007-06-06 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, ugur guney hat gesagt: // ugur guney wrote: > # Delaying the analysis will not work, because analysis data is an one block > audio signal. If you delay it not a integer multiple of a block, the > synchronisation of different delayed bin analysis, get lost. > # I made two different versions

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread martin.peach
That looks like the old denormal problem again, where the cpu goes into some kind of exception handling when a floating point value is between zero and the next smallest full-precision float, a number like 0.01. Martin > I'm not positive about this, but I think I've traced the C

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Derek Holzer wrote: > This could almost be the denormal problem again. Is it an Intel > processor on the MacBook? Intels are notorious for poor handling of > denormal numbers, which occur when the mantissa (decimal places) of a > number representing an audio signal becomes too long (such as happ

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Phil Stone
Derek Holzer wrote: > This could almost be the denormal problem again. Is it an Intel > processor on the MacBook? Intels are notorious for poor handling of > denormal numbers, which occur when the mantissa (decimal places) of a > number representing an audio signal becomes too long (such as happ

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Holzer
This could almost be the denormal problem again. Is it an Intel processor on the MacBook? Intels are notorious for poor handling of denormal numbers, which occur when the mantissa (decimal places) of a number representing an audio signal becomes too long (such as happens with reverb tails, etc)

Re: [PD] isn't the GUI supposed to have lower priority than process?

2007-06-06 Thread Damian Stewart
Tim Blechmann wrote: > there are applications which are able to load soundfiles in a > realtime-safe way. see, for example, ableton live -- damian stewart | +44 7854 493 796 | [EMAIL PROTECTED] frey | live art with machines | http://www.frey.co.nz __

[PD] [PD-announce] Human Sequencer @ NIME

2007-06-06 Thread Alexandre Quessy
Hi all, I will be presenting an audio installation done in Pd at NIME. It is called the Human Sequencer. It will be at Eyebeam.org during NIME 2007 in New York ! See http://itp.nyu.edu/nime/2007/installations.php This audio game is an interactive installation for collective musical creation. The

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Phil Stone
Hi Derek, I'm not positive about this, but I think I've traced the CPU-climb to the [moog~] filter. It has an odd behavior that can be broken into three phases: 1) no audio greater than zero amplitude has passed through it yet (since patch load) 2) audio of some amplitude >0 passes through 3)

Re: [PD] gem+ati

2007-06-06 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Cesare Marilungo hat gesagt: // Cesare Marilungo wrote: > have you tried to compile yourself the version from cvs? I had the same > problem when I first tried GEM (although with an NVidia card) and I made > a patch (basically I've just swapped two lines of code) that has been > included

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread dafydd hughes
Oh gosh... I think I can remember what it involved, but I don't think I have the patch anymore. Let me see if I can dig it up. cheers dafydd On 6/6/07, Derek Holzer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ooops! File not found! Dafydd...could you re-post your test patch please? > > http://www.sideshowmedi

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Holzer
Ooops! File not found! Dafydd...could you re-post your test patch please? http://www.sideshowmedia.ca/cputest.zip thx, d. Derek Holzer wrote: > One test patch came up earlier in thread: > > http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-04/049372.html -- derek holzer ::: http://www.umatic

[PD] [Pd-announce] A Hack A Night

2007-06-06 Thread moritz
ello i've made a audio / video loop machine everything with pd and gem. i will perform with my machine at this event: _

Re: [PD] Pd linking to Openoffice

2007-06-06 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, ruth mccracken hat gesagt: // ruth mccracken wrote: > b/ I am still not succeeding with the pd install. Following your > instructions, and performing configure && make in ../pd/src, i received the > message below: > > >>Assembler messages: > Fatal error: can't create ../obj/g_canvas.o:

Re: [PD] gem+ati

2007-06-06 Thread Cesare Marilungo
Georg Holzmann wrote: > Hallo Nikola! > > >> have pd+gem running on my ubuntustudio box with ati9200 radeon. Gem is >> working nice except the fact that it is craching PD every time i try to >> destoy/close the gemwin with "segmentation fault" message. same thing >> was happening on other di

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

2007-06-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey, I think we should actually keep this on the list so people can contribute to the thread. libiconv.2.dylib is included in the Pd.app, I think I found part of the problem. The location of the dependencies in the libquicktime plugins aren't being rewritten to reference the embedded libs

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi Roman, Roman Haefeli wrote: > this is definitely not a general problem of pd. the most > netpd-instruments do switch~ing all the time and i never noticed an > increasing cpu usage over time on my and on many other computers. > you might also provide a little testpatch, that triggers to probl

Re: [PD] Pd linking to Openoffice

2007-06-06 Thread ruth mccracken
HI Frank, Thanks for taking the time to look at this! a/ Some more information that might help: after I uninstalled pd-extended 0.38, I reinstalled the OS (ubuntu feisty 7.04). So the autobuild was installed on a fresh OS. b/ I am still not succeeding with the pd install. Following your ins

Re: [PD] meet at NIME?

2007-06-06 Thread Alexandre Quessy
HI all ! I'll be there too, but I will probably not make it for Dorkbot tonight. Friday would sound better. a 2007/6/5, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > I'll be there basically all day, so I won't be able to miss you. I > am a tall white guy with very short brown hair and pointy s

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 13:27 +0300, Derek Holzer wrote: > Hi Phil, > > just to keep this in people's minds... I have exact same problem > described in these emails with my Particle Chamber granular synthesis > patch. It has 32 "switch~ed" voices. Using one instance seems to be OK, > but two or m

Re: [PD] Pd linking to Openoffice [was: Re: pd-0.38 installation]

2007-06-06 Thread Atwood, Robert C
Just to grasp at straws; I did notice that when I recently istalled OpenOffice via apt-get on my Debian box, it had several dependecies to Jack -- since I had already removed the Debian Jack package in favour of building my own, I had some package-dependency-annoyances to deal with. I've no idea h

Re: [PD] gem+ati

2007-06-06 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo Nikola! > have pd+gem running on my ubuntustudio box with ati9200 radeon. Gem is > working nice except the fact that it is craching PD every time i try to > destoy/close the gemwin with "segmentation fault" message. same thing > was happening on other distros, so i belive it is the probl

[PD] gem+ati

2007-06-06 Thread Nikola Jeremic
hi list have pd+gem running on my ubuntustudio box with ati9200 radeon. Gem is working nice except the fact that it is craching PD every time i try to destoy/close the gemwin with "segmentation fault" message. same thing was happening on other distros, so i belive it is the problem with ati driv

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

2007-06-06 Thread Tim Boykett
On 06/06/2007, at 12:33 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: > On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 12:16 +0200, Tim Boykett wrote: >> . Is it possible that the >> pdp_yqt object is in another library that I should be loading? > > afaik, [pdp_yqt] is part of pidip, not of pdp. Aha! thank you for that, I guessed it might

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

2007-06-06 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 12:16 +0200, Tim Boykett wrote: > . Is it possible that the > pdp_yqt object is in another library that I should be loading? afaik, [pdp_yqt] is part of pidip, not of pdp. roman ___ Telefonate ohn

Re: [PD] switch~ & cputime climbing

2007-06-06 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi Phil, just to keep this in people's minds... I have exact same problem described in these emails with my Particle Chamber granular synthesis patch. It has 32 "switch~ed" voices. Using one instance seems to be OK, but two or more leads to exponentially-growing CPU usage that eventually makes

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc2 released!

2007-06-06 Thread Tim Boykett
I get pdp_yqt ... couldn't create so for some reason (there is no other warning message) the object is not getting loaded. Note that I have to (try to) create a pdp object to get a go at loading pdp objects, otherwise they do not get found automatically. Is it possible that the pdp_yqt object

[PD] Pd linking to Openoffice [was: Re: pd-0.38 installation]

2007-06-06 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > Hmm, 0.38.4 was a long time ago, I don't remember that happening. > But I can say it doesn't happen now: Actually Ruth already is using an autobuild, the subject is misleading. (I rechanged it again.) Strange thing is:

Re: [PD] Clickable gop data structuresync-mailbox>set editor="vim -f +7 -s ~/.vim/mail.scr "

2007-06-06 Thread Luke Iannini (pd)
Hey, Any idea what the equivalent modifier for this is on the mac? It didn't seem to get the usual ctrl>command translation that the rest of Pd did. (ctrl-click on the mac is hardwired as "right click") Should I bug report it? Luke On 6/5/07, Frank Barknecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hallo,

Re: [PD] isn't the GUI supposed to have lower priority than process?

2007-06-06 Thread Roman Haefeli
ciao matteo you are speaking from my hear! this is exactly what i mean (without critizing pd at all). roman On Wed, 2007-06-06 at 01:48 +0200, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: > Frank wrote: > > > Just a note: Many people all over the world are using Pd in live > > performances, which proves that it