Re: [PD] puredocumentation
I know, the idea is not new. but now is a good time to get it done. I saw that almost everything is already written on http://puredata.org/dev/pddp/pdpedia/ I am not sure how the categorization part could work. and I also don't know how to support multiple languages atm. what I will be working on during the next week(s) is a complete list of all objects (externals and abstractions) with the main fields (name, description, library/author/licence) in a csv fileformat. (plus maybe one junktext field that contains all the comments of the helppatch, so that in a first step we can work on one file, which makes it easy to copy+paste content around.) maybe we should put it in the cvs? then create the wiki base pages from that. marius. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Jean noel montagne from artsensitif, french NGO, submit the idea of pdpedia a while ago which reach the discussion we had during Pd conf about documentation http://pdpedia.dreamhosters.com/index.php?title=Main_Page maybe this can help... on another side, I would like to ask for funds to the french ministry of culture in 2008 to improve in a collaborative way Pd documentation (in french) and high level patches (in Pd), considering the great job that has already been done by Pdmtl team, hans, frank, jérome...and many others, in order to allow as many artists as possible to get into Pd not sure at all about the answer + many thanks to Montreal Pd conv team for this great meeting/event Benjamin - labomedia.net Alexandre Quessy a écrit : Hi Marius, Tom and all ! 2007/8/29, marius schebella [EMAIL PROTECTED]: thanks, atm I don't know how that works. otoh, can we use the index.txt? that seems to contain most of the information. that's a great library! marius. In Pd Montreal Abstractions, it is a patch that parses help file patches (using pd objects and externals) to look for tags (such as Author: ) at the beginning of comments. :) More people are going to contribute to the PdMtl Abstractions in the next few months. The format has changed a bit : the dot (.) now separates the categories and names of abstractions, instead of the file system path itself. a Thomas O Fredericks wrote: We implemented something similar forthe help files in PDMTL abstractions. See the pdmtl.inde.maker.pd in https://devel.goto10.org/listing.php?repname=pdmtlpath=%2Ftrunk%2Ftools%2Frev=0sc=0 https://devel.goto10.org/listing.php?repname=pdmtlpath=%2Ftrunk%2Ftools%2Frev=0sc=0 Tom On 8/29/07, *marius schebella* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi, this is the start for the puredocumentation wiki. for all who didn't follow the discussions during the pdconv, here is the latest: some people agreed on building a media wiki for all documentation beyond the pd help patches. some time ago there was the puredatabase, but that is quite dead now. so the idea is, to reanimate something similar, but with the possibility for everyone to commit to it. maybe not everyone but if 5-10% of users help contributing, then I think the project will be successful. one of the reasons why this should be done, is that very often pd users look for a certain feature or object, but don't know the name exactly and need a good search engine. so... the puredocumentation (in planning state) will cover externals and stable abstractions. (abstractions that are maintained kind of like externals) additionally to the wiki for objects there will be the section for the tutorials, manuals and faq, and hopefully you will be able to type in your search string after How do I: and get the right objects, examples and tutorials. My estimation is, that there are more than 3000 objects atm. so for the beginning the tricky part is to build all the basic object pages from the existing documentation (mainly help patches). here is, what I think should be the content of every object page: *objectname* the string name (for example plus for +) of the object/external *opt other name* = abbreviation, +,.. *helpfilename* (can be different than object name), *description* = short description *libraryinfo* purepd,GEM,cyclone... + author + licence *arguments* *inlets/outlets* *examples* what this object is for... that's where you can be creative! *see also* / similar objects *tags* like audio/dsp, math, MIDI, something like a categorization. I want to use python to extract as much information as possible from the help-patches into one big textfile (csv style) from which we can create the wikipages. I hope to get the developers involved in correcting the cvs-textfile before the basic pages are created). this has to be done per library, and I am still trying to figure out, how to do this in detail. for example some help patches have some
Re: [PD] vbap and matrix external
Quoting Hector Centeno [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Also, I was wondering if anyone has a link to a manual page for the old [matrix] and [matrix~] so I can understand whats going on and see how to replace them with the newer ones. the problem is, that both [matrix~] from iemmatrix and from cyclone are incompatible; so which documentation do you want? the doc for iemmatrix's [mtx_*~] should give you some clues on how the object is used (even in the old incarnation of [matrix~]. basically, the matrix now goes into the 1st inlet instead of the second-last one and it has to be transposed. the old version used a notation of out^ = in^ * A while the new version uses out^ = B * in^ (which implies that B=A') i do not know of anz issues with the [matrix] object nor of any incompatibilities. i do not conisider it deprecated. mfg.asdr IOhannes Thanks! Hector On 8/29/07, Hector Centeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Kevin, Thank you for your response. Does that mean I have to change the patch ( vbapdemo.pd) to substitute the [matrix] and [matrix~] by [mtx_mu] and [mtx_mu~]? Do they work the same or that means I would have to do further changes? Thanks! On 8/28/07, Kevin McCoy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hector, As far as I remember, the correct one to use is [mtx_mul] and [mtx_mul~]; as IOhannes told me, [matrix] etc is deprecated if I remember correctly. The correct ones are from the excellent iemmatrix library. I think the vbap directory is the more recent one which should be Ville Pulkki's work. Have a look at the documentation in there. Hope this helps, Kevin On 8/28/07, Hector Centeno [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm trying to get vbap working using Linux Fedora 7/Planet CCRMA. I'm using the Planet's packages which are version 0.39.2. First I found vbap in two different places: /usr/lib/pd/extra/vbap /usr/lib/pd/extra/ggee What is the difference? So I tried with the vbap directory. When trying to load the demo I struggled with finding matrix and matrix~. There are externals named like this in different directories: /usr/lib/pd/extra/cyclone/matrix~.pd_linux /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/matrix.pd_linux /usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace/matrix~.pd_linux /usr/lib/pd/extra/creb/matrix~.pd_linux Does anyone know which ones are the right ones to use? I managed to get the demo loaded and running using the matrix in flatspace and matrix~ in cyclone but I can't get any audio output. I'm fairly new to PD so some help would be appreciated. Cheers, Hector ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://pocketkm.blogspot.com -- http://pocketkm.blogspot.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- === http://www.hcenteno.net -- === http://www.hcenteno.net This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] inconsistencies in msgfile
hi. Quoting Thomas O Fredericks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also experienced many inconsistencies with msgfile. But I do not think it has to do with spaces. If you add data to a msgfile then send a write /test message, it answers error: msgfile : failed to open /test! this is not an inconsitency. you probaly do not have write-rights in / ?? When you try to read with read /test it answers error: msgfile_read: unable to open test/test! this is not an inconsistency either. msgfile uses pd's search-paths to search for the file. if pd cannot find a file test it will also look for test/test. so if there was a file /test msgfile would just open it. fmga.dsr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] inconsistencies in msgfile
Quoting João Miguel Pais [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I was checking out msgfile (zexy 2.1), and there are some inconsistencies that I can't work out: - the read message doesn't work with paths/files that have spaces in them [that's not an inconsistency, but it's something that should be standard nowadays] i have not checked that now, but i am pretty sure, that it does support files with spaces. however, there is a limitation (that can be worked around) on pd's ability to create a symbol containing spaces. - when opening the attached file with |read ... cr(, msgfile behaves differently in pd vanilla 0.40-2 and pd extended 0.39-2-t5 (the .dll file only exists once, it's the one compiled with pd-extended). In pd extended the file opens, but it disregards the cr command - and the attached file appears condensed in 3 or 4 lines. In pd-vanilla the message unable to lseek appears. are you absolutely sure that the same .dll is used? if so: weird... mfg.adr IOhannes does someone gets the same results as I do? Joao -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 Mob +49 162 6843570 [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5 This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] inconsistencies in msgfile
Quoting João Miguel Pais [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I was checking out msgfile (zexy 2.1), and there are some now that's an old version of zexy, btw... mfga.dsr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] inconsistencies in msgfile
this is not an inconsitency. you probaly do not have write-rights in / ?? Yeah, I actually figured it out after sending the message *my bad* But I did experience some weird stuff once. I will have to found out how to recreate the errors! But for now, I cannot. Sorry for the erroneous bug report! Tom On 8/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi. Quoting Thomas O Fredericks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I also experienced many inconsistencies with msgfile. But I do not think it has to do with spaces. If you add data to a msgfile then send a write /test message, it answers error: msgfile : failed to open /test! this is not an inconsitency. you probaly do not have write-rights in / ?? When you try to read with read /test it answers error: msgfile_read: unable to open test/test! this is not an inconsistency either. msgfile uses pd's search-paths to search for the file. if pd cannot find a file test it will also look for test/test. so if there was a file /test msgfile would just open it. fmga.dsr IOhannes This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- thomas ouellet fredericks, [EMAIL PROTECTED], montreal, canada ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] A basic question re: messages and sequencing
Hi.. I've been working in PD on a project and I have two message boxes with a list of numbers. I want to divulge the common numbers into a message or sequence. How best to do that? My second question is how best to write a sequence with those numbers to a file with time information coming from another list (message) again? thats probably clear as mud - if anyone has time to help I'd appreciate it. Mat ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] 39.3-extended-rc5 - FFT causes audio failure on 1.67 G4
I have the same problem on a G4, 1.25 Powerbook. Achim Hans-Christoph Steiner schrieb: Hmm, that's a strange bug. I can't reproduce this on a Mac/Intel, but I could on another 1.67GHz Mac runing 10.4.10 My guess is that it's another manifestation of that same 1.67 Mac audio bug. It worked fine for me using the latest Pd-0.40.3-extended nightly build: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2007-08-01/Pd-0.40.3-extended-20070801-macosx104-powerpc.dmg .hc On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:24 PM, Ed Richardson wrote: Browser/Audio Examples/I04.noisegate.pd causes a complete failure of audio in Pd-0.39.3-extended-rc5-macosx104-powerpc.dmg. system: mac os 10.4.10 1.67 GHz PowerPC G4 Upon adjusting either the sampler or noise amplitude parameters, there is a fairly loud single pop, upon which all audio ceases on the computer altogether. Audio will only resume once I quit Pd. Neither of the following strategies in any combination improve this situation: 48K instead of 44.1K use of JACK rather than portaudio I believe several other fft-based patches are affected by this. This is not a problem in any of the following: 38.4-extended 39.2-non-extended 40.2-non-extended --- Also, I'm curious what anyone knows about the frequent Pd-related audio card issues with the 1.67 GHz PowerPC G4 Powerbook. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailto:PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Achim Bornhoeft .- Neckarhalde 38, D-72070 Tuebingen -.-. tel/fax +49 (0)7071 942745 -... mobil +49 (0)179 6936930 skype:achim.bornhoeft?call -- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] vbap and matrix external
i do not conisider it deprecated. Ah, sorry about that - I guess I made a mistake there. merci, Kevin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] A basic question re: messages and sequencing
Hi, Not sure about the removal of duplicates, but for your second question take a look at the list-enumerate abstraction. (Located in abstractions/footils/list-abs) Steve On 8/30/07, Mat Wall-Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi.. I've been working in PD on a project and I have two message boxes with a list of numbers. I want to divulge the common numbers into a message or sequence. How best to do that? My second question is how best to write a sequence with those numbers to a file with time information coming from another list (message) again? thats probably clear as mud - if anyone has time to help I'd appreciate it. Mat ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] OSC bundles with time tag
Dear all, I am sending OSC messages from the UNIX app sendOSC to Pd using the Pd object [dumpOSC] -- it worked out of the box, very nice! However, it seems that [dumpOSC] always reacts immediately -- regardless of any time stamp (16 figure hex number according to OSC specs). Is it at all possible that Pd delays the processing of received OSC messages because of some time tag which lies in the future? I planned to let Pd do the actual scheduling, because I figured its timing will be rather reliable... Thank you! Best Torsten -- Torsten Anders Interdisciplinary Centre for Computer Music Research University of Plymouth strasheela.sourceforge.net www.torsten-anders.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OSC bundles with time tag
So, to answer this post as well as H.C.'s previous query on the topic, I had a look at the dumpOSC code and indeed it doesn't handle the timetags. The only related code is the following: /* Print the time tag */ #ifdef DEBUG printf([ %lx%08lx\n, ntohl(*((unsigned long *)(buf+8)) ), ntohl(*((unsigned long *)(buf+12; #endif In which the timetag is so nicely ignored completely. Torsten, I suggest you have a look at the OSC objects in the mrpeach folder, as I think they have better support for timetags among other things. I may play around with creating abstractions using mrpeach objects to replace dumpOSC and sendOSC, as it seems this is about due. Steve On 8/30/07, Torsten Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I am sending OSC messages from the UNIX app sendOSC to Pd using the Pd object [dumpOSC] -- it worked out of the box, very nice! However, it seems that [dumpOSC] always reacts immediately -- regardless of any time stamp (16 figure hex number according to OSC specs). Is it at all possible that Pd delays the processing of received OSC messages because of some time tag which lies in the future? I planned to let Pd do the actual scheduling, because I figured its timing will be rather reliable... Thank you! Best Torsten -- Torsten Anders Interdisciplinary Centre for Computer Music Research University of Plymouth strasheela.sourceforge.net www.torsten-anders.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some images...
2007/8/29, .·:*¨¨*:·.darsha.·:*¨¨*:·. [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yo Marius :) Alex Porres would be the one to talk to concerning a convention in South America...I think there has been some very unofficial discussion about having it there in 2009Right Alex? Hello, +1 in Brazil. glerm ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some images...
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Chris McCormick wrote: Well I guess there will be another Pd conference of some kind in the future, right? You can guess all that you want. It's the same as it was two weeks ago when I was saying the same thing: we don't really know. We're still just making speculations on where it could be in the next few years. London. Barcelona. Roma. São Paulo. Istanbul. New York. Sounds incredible, and yes, it's not very credible at the moment, it's still almost just name-throwing. I tried talking to a few people about this, but that's like 0.1% of the job. There ought to be dossiers about each of the cities so that they can be compared and chosen. Each report should include something about who uses pd in that city, which activities are pd-oriented, how the community is organised, which universities and artist-run centres want to give support to a pd convention, whether the national art council(s) or city art council(s) are interested to back it, other possible local funding, possibility of external funding (e.g. any funding programmes that can be applied to a collaboration between Montréal and/or Graz and the hosts of the 3rd convention). From that point, plans for 3rd, 4th, 5th conventions can be laid out according to forecasts of readiness of each city's community. Montréal took several years to get ready, in terms of key people deciding to get involved and reserve the time to work on it... I remember trying to throw the idea around in 2004. It wasn't quite credible back then... nor during 2005... I mean in terms of having it happen during the following year: once the team is there and ready, it can take about a year of actual work. About 2008, the thing is that since it takes over a whole year to organise something like the Montréal convention, and no-one wanted to discuss a 3rd convention before the 2nd was over, so it'll take at least a few months before the selection of the next city actually happens, and from that point it'll take roughly a year, plus or minus a few months. At the end of that process it'll already be 2009. If you have magic shortcuts that you can take out of your hat, you are more than welcome (and more than encouraged) to share them. Pd Convention is not a franchise, so anyone could actually do something completely on their own and call it Pd Convention 2008, but it'd be a shame if it's not roughly the same size as any of the last two conventions, especially as I know several people who would like to give a hand in making it big enough, no matter where it actually happens. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some images...
here are some more images - sorry for the low quality (blame it on the age of my videocamera): http://hasa-labs.org/PDConv2007/ thanks again for the groovy week! salutis olsen andrew check this: http://hasa-labs.org/PDConv2007/headset.avi On 8/25/07, Alexandre Castonguay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Here are some images of the goings on at the convention. Sorry for the lag (2 days) but things are a little hectic. More pictures are to come and if anyone has links to more pics please send them :-). http://artengine.ca/~catalogue-pd/photos_beewoo/ http://artengine.ca/~catalogue-pd/video_alexandre_porres/ A bientot, Alexandre ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Planet Pluto bleibt! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] inconsistencies in msgfile
On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 12:29 -0400, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Thu, 30 Aug 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have not checked that now, but i am pretty sure, that it does support files with spaces. however, there is a limitation (that can be worked around) on pd's ability to create a symbol containing spaces. It can also be fixed. If you edit the source code of pd, you only have to change two lines to fix the saving of spaces in symbols, but somehow so far it has been easier for everybody to write several hundred mails about the topic instead, and figuring out workarounds, teaching workshop students about not using spaces, and pondering whether it's a bug at all and how to think of it as a feature. sometimes i label [cnv]'s and other gui objects with symbols containing spaces, often just because of cosmetic reasons. however, it needs a lot of work around it, because before saving the patch, you have to send 'label empty' first, otherwise the properties of the gui completely get screwed. and after loading the patch again, you need to set the label again, of course. i didn't know, that it would be such an easy fix in the source of pd. so many people are using pd everyday, that i believe, just this little fix would save a huge amount of man hours every year, so that it is _really_ worth it. just my two cents. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some images...
Hey all, here are my sincere thanks to all the people who made the convention possible. It was a great time, although much too short! I hope to meet again some of you in the next future! http://g.org/pics/pdconv07 all the best, Thomas ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OSC bundles with time tag
Stephen Sinclair wrote: I suggest you have a look at the OSC objects in the mrpeach folder, as I think they have better support for timetags among other things. Yes, look at routeOSC-help and packOSC-help to see how it's done. You'll need a recent version, it's only 6 weeks old... Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OSC bundles with time tag
Dear Steve, thanks for your quick and helpful reply! Unfortunately, using [unpackOSC] -- just using routeOSC-help.pd -- I was not able to delay the effect of OSC messages either. This helpfile patch shows some delay, but that is always negative (something in the order of -3.5e+06 msecs), even if my OSC bundle timestamp is several seconds (up to a minute) in the future. I meanwhile confirmed that it works in SuperCollider, so my OSC bundles/ timestamps are seemingly fine. Does there perhaps exist a problem with the delay output by unpackOSC? Thank you! Best Torsten PS: I am using Pd-0.40.3-extended-20070830 for Intel Mac. On Aug 30, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Stephen Sinclair wrote: So, to answer this post as well as H.C.'s previous query on the topic, I had a look at the dumpOSC code and indeed it doesn't handle the timetags. The only related code is the following: /* Print the time tag */ #ifdef DEBUG printf([ %lx%08lx\n, ntohl(*((unsigned long *)(buf+8)) ), ntohl(*((unsigned long *)(buf+12; #endif In which the timetag is so nicely ignored completely. Torsten, I suggest you have a look at the OSC objects in the mrpeach folder, as I think they have better support for timetags among other things. I may play around with creating abstractions using mrpeach objects to replace dumpOSC and sendOSC, as it seems this is about due. Steve On 8/30/07, Torsten Anders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear all, I am sending OSC messages from the UNIX app sendOSC to Pd using the Pd object [dumpOSC] -- it worked out of the box, very nice! However, it seems that [dumpOSC] always reacts immediately -- regardless of any time stamp (16 figure hex number according to OSC specs). Is it at all possible that Pd delays the processing of received OSC messages because of some time tag which lies in the future? I planned to let Pd do the actual scheduling, because I figured its timing will be rather reliable... Thank you! Best Torsten -- Torsten Anders Interdisciplinary Centre for Computer Music Research University of Plymouth strasheela.sourceforge.net www.torsten-anders.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- Torsten Anders Interdisciplinary Centre for Computer Music Research University of Plymouth http://strasheela.sourceforge.net http://www.torsten-anders.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] next conv in Brasil... meaning business
- Darsha: Alex Porres would be the one to talk to concerning a convention in South America...I think there has been some very unofficial discussion about having it there in 2009Right Alex? - Glerm: Hello, +1 in Brazil. glerm -- Alex: Hi folks, just got in Brasil... I will start talking to people now and will be getting back to you next week... please send me some files in personal email messages concerning the fundings, I am having kinda hard time to keep up with the list. Meet Glerm above, a friend of mine who will gladly be involved with the organization, and has aso influenced me a lot and helped me getting into puredata :) cheers alex Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some images...
On Thu, 2007-08-30 at 23:15 +0200, Thomas Grill wrote: Hey all, here are my sincere thanks to all the people who made the convention possible. It was a great time, although much too short! I hope to meet again some of you in the next future! hello everyone yeah, it was a great week, i enjoyed it a lot. i had (still have) a very good time in montréal. i am very greatful for all the work, that you - darsha, alex, kyd, marc, andrew and many others - spent to make this happen, but it was really worth it. not only the fact, that you did it, also how you did it, was just lovely. although this pd-conv will be unique for sure, i strongly hope, that possible future pd-convs will be in a similar manner. my 2¢ (CAD). thank you. roman ___ Der fr�he Vogel f�ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some images...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/sets/72157601775985607/ here are my images. with thanks to everyone who made the pdconv 07 montréal possible! marius. Thomas Grill wrote: Hey all, here are my sincere thanks to all the people who made the convention possible. It was a great time, although much too short! I hope to meet again some of you in the next future! http://g.org/pics/pdconv07 all the best, Thomas ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] some images...
Hi all, Thomas, Thank you all for your feedback and participation, we had a great time and I miss having so much to see + learn everyday (and night). I think there is a lot of merit in suggestions of using pd (or other open source tools) to facilitate the communications between us. We had some discussions on how to better use existing tools for online communication (documentation, workshops, etc). We can count on a very friendly network of individuals, user groups and centres that could support smaller initiatives. But the combination of performances, exhibitions and talks + all the exchanges that proceed from them make an actual large pd-convention difficult to replace in my view. A couple questions I had relates to timing : how often and what is the best time of the year to hold a convention? Conventions have a motivating effect and foster understanding and cohesion (one hopes). Three years is a long span and every year would be too taxing I believe. It's difficult to accommodate everyone's schedules and we chose the end of August partly because we knew a number of people who teach or study could travel then. It also meant that a lot of the spaces we needed were available (thanks to the centres!). However, it could have been easier to involve students if the semester had started. Finally, other nice recurring events like Piksel, Make Art, the Linux Audio Conference and the ICMC (sorry for the squeeze) etc. are to be worked around. It's all a little premature at this point but what are your thoughts on timing a convention? A bientot, Alexandre Hey all, here are my sincere thanks to all the people who made the convention possible. It was a great time, although much too short! I hope to meet again some of you in the next future! http://g.org/pics/pdconv07 all the best, Thomas ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
