Re: [PD] problems with PIR and Firmata

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

Try [debounce] from mapping, it is designed for exactly that  
problem.  You'll just need to set the time high, like 2000 (ms).


Those debug messages are correct, that's just the raw bytes being  
transmitted.


.hc

On Aug 12, 2008, at 11:40 PM, Adityo Pratomo wrote:

hi there everybody, i have a question about the PIR in firmata. I'm  
connecting a PIR sensor to an ardunio board and then programming it  
on Pd using the Firmata firmware. Then, the input from the PIR  
sensor will detect any motion and any voltage output will be used  
to trigger a bang. But i have a problem, i guess the sensor will  
trigger the bang twice, since the output from the sensor change  
twice from a single motion. The question is how can i make the bang  
only react from the first trigger and then ignores the second  
trigger. I've used the delay routed to number "0", but it's useless  
since there's no exact time when the second trigger will occur. Any  
idea everybody.


And when i debug the firmata, for every single detected output, i  
have a message like these


DEBUG: 144
DEBUG: 4
DEBUG: 0
DEBUG: 144
DEBUG: 4
DEBUG: 0
DEBUG: 144
DEBUG: 0
DEBUG: 0
DEBUG: 144
DEBUG: 0
DEBUG: 0

can anybody tell me what these messages means? is my system working  
correctly?


many thanks in advance.

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Re: [PD] extended 0.40.3

[Hans-Christoph Steiner]

It seems to take a while to show up on Ubuntu, I don't know why.  You  
can find it in SVN in :

packages/linux_make

Or it's installed as part of the package, search for pd-extended.png  
or maybe pd.png

.hc

On Aug 13, 2008, at 11:52 AM, olsen wolf wrote:

> just for cosmetic reasons - where do i find the nice Pd-extended icon
> - as at least on ubuntustudio its not in the panel by default...
> thanks&greets
> olsen
>
> On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Phil Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
> wrote:
>> Same here, Hans.  Not a hitch so far.
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>> Phew! ;)  Thanks for testing!
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jul 26, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Ben Carney wrote:
>>>
 I tested my most recent patch on the new RC.

 It looks fantastic and works just as it did. Thanks a bunch, Hans

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Re: [PD] Is anyone using csoundapi~?

[Mike McGonagle]

Peter,

Which CVS are you talking about? CSound? Pure Data? And yes, if you could
let me know when the examples are in the CVS, that would be great. While I
am currently not using MIDI with CSound, I am pretty much leaving that to
Pd, it might be interesting to work with.

Thanks,

Mike


On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Peter Brinkmann <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Hi Mike,
> I use csoundapi~ a bit and it works fine for me.  And yes, there is a more
> recent version; the current version in CVS takes MIDI commands, much like
> the corresponding object for MAX/MSP.  I've prepared a few sample patches
> for the new MIDI functionality.  They aren't in CVS yet, but I can post them
> if you're interested.
> Best,
>Peter
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Mike McGonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I recently started to use the Csoundapi~ external, and was wondering if
>> anyone has been using it, and if there are any troubles you have
>> encountered.
>>
>> I also was wondering (after reading someone's posts) about the priorities
>> under which these things run. I would imagine that with it being an external
>> of PD that it runs in the same address space (maybe?) and that the
>> priorities given to the code would be the same.
>>
>> Is there a better way to us CSound with PD? OSC? Can CSound be run as a
>> server (alla Supercollider)?
>>
>> Also, is there a more recent version of the external? While I haven't
>> experienced any troubles, I am wondering what version of Pure Data that the
>> compiled version that comes with Csound 5.08 was compiled against.
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
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Re: [PD] how to use [tcpserver] in a non-OSC context?

[Martin Peach]

Bryan Jurish wrote:
> moin Martin, moin Roman,
> 
> On 2008-08-13 19:25:20, Martin Peach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> appears
> to have written:
>> Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>> On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 18:45 -0400, Martin Peach wrote: 
 Roman Haefeli wrote:
> hi all
>
> i would like to rewrite the netpd-server patch using [tcpserver], but i
> cannot figure out how to convert 'list of number' messages into ascii
> messages.
>
>> Yes, maybe a [serialize] and [unserialize] would be a good idea.
>> [unserialize] would take a list of integer floats, interpret them as 
>> ascii,  and convert it to a single symbol, and [serialize] would take a 
>> symbol and convert it to a list of integer floats on [0..255]. 
>> Converting floats and lists raises problems though (should a float be 
>> converted to its ascii or binary representation? How to tell if a list 
>> of floats is meant to be decoded as symbols or floats?).
>>
>> I think [moocow/any2string] and [moocow/string2any] already do this,
> 
> yep, that's pretty much exactly what they do, except [string2any]
> outputs a list, rather than a single symbol (...but you can always patch
> it into [list2symbol] from zexy if you need a single symbol).  for
> non-symbol arguments, [any2string] does whatever t_binbuf does (probably
> truncating floats, performing dollar-substitutions, etc...).
> 
>> but
>> I can't tell right now because they don't seem to be in my Pd
>> 0.40.3-extended-20080719, or I'm not looking in the right place.
> 
> looking at the debian-stable and debian-testing debs  from 2008-07-19,
> they ought to live in /usr/lib/pd/extra/moocow/any2string.pd_linux rsp.
> /usr/lib/pd/extra/moocow/any2string.pd_linux.  the only pd-extended
> system on which my externals still don't build in windoof/mingw32,
> because that box is still using a broken version of make.  what system
> are you using, Martin?
> 


Yes I was using WinXP. I also have an Ubuntu machine which does have the 
moocow objects.
I wonder what it is about those objects that makes them difficult to 
compile on Windows...I just looked through any2string.c and it looks 
like an ordinary source file for a pd external, except for the debug 
macro A2SDEBUG and the PACKAGE_VERSION, which should probably be defined 
in a header file, not the makefile.

Martin

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Re: [PD] Is anyone using csoundapi~?

[Peter Brinkmann]

Hi Mike,
I use csoundapi~ a bit and it works fine for me.  And yes, there is a more
recent version; the current version in CVS takes MIDI commands, much like
the corresponding object for MAX/MSP.  I've prepared a few sample patches
for the new MIDI functionality.  They aren't in CVS yet, but I can post them
if you're interested.
Best,
   Peter


On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:44 PM, Mike McGonagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I recently started to use the Csoundapi~ external, and was wondering if
> anyone has been using it, and if there are any troubles you have
> encountered.
>
> I also was wondering (after reading someone's posts) about the priorities
> under which these things run. I would imagine that with it being an external
> of PD that it runs in the same address space (maybe?) and that the
> priorities given to the code would be the same.
>
> Is there a better way to us CSound with PD? OSC? Can CSound be run as a
> server (alla Supercollider)?
>
> Also, is there a more recent version of the external? While I haven't
> experienced any troubles, I am wondering what version of Pure Data that the
> compiled version that comes with Csound 5.08 was compiled against.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
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Re: [PD] how to use [tcpserver] in a non-OSC context?

[Bryan Jurish]

moin Martin, moin Roman,

On 2008-08-13 19:25:20, Martin Peach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> appears
to have written:
> Roman Haefeli wrote:
>> On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 18:45 -0400, Martin Peach wrote: 
>>> Roman Haefeli wrote:
 hi all

 i would like to rewrite the netpd-server patch using [tcpserver], but i
 cannot figure out how to convert 'list of number' messages into ascii
 messages.

> 
> Yes, maybe a [serialize] and [unserialize] would be a good idea.
> [unserialize] would take a list of integer floats, interpret them as 
> ascii,  and convert it to a single symbol, and [serialize] would take a 
> symbol and convert it to a list of integer floats on [0..255]. 
> Converting floats and lists raises problems though (should a float be 
> converted to its ascii or binary representation? How to tell if a list 
> of floats is meant to be decoded as symbols or floats?).
> 
> I think [moocow/any2string] and [moocow/string2any] already do this,

yep, that's pretty much exactly what they do, except [string2any]
outputs a list, rather than a single symbol (...but you can always patch
it into [list2symbol] from zexy if you need a single symbol).  for
non-symbol arguments, [any2string] does whatever t_binbuf does (probably
truncating floats, performing dollar-substitutions, etc...).

> but
> I can't tell right now because they don't seem to be in my Pd
> 0.40.3-extended-20080719, or I'm not looking in the right place.

looking at the debian-stable and debian-testing debs  from 2008-07-19,
they ought to live in /usr/lib/pd/extra/moocow/any2string.pd_linux rsp.
/usr/lib/pd/extra/moocow/any2string.pd_linux.  the only pd-extended
system on which my externals still don't build in windoof/mingw32,
because that box is still using a broken version of make.  what system
are you using, Martin?

There are also (probably old and stale, possibly broken) copies in
/usr/lib/pd/extra/flatspace, which should probably just get deleted
(along with sprinkler).  I assume these come from externals/build/src;
I'll just go ahead and remove them and see if anyone hollers...

marmosets,
Bryan

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Re: [PD] Keyname Object Changed? (Jack)

[Greg Surges]

If anyone is interested,

I've written an external for assembling text-strings, which also allows for
single-character backspace and a preview of the string being assembled.

The source code is on my website:

http://www.uwm.edu/~gssurges/ 

Hope it's useful to someone else,

- Greg

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> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:37:13 +0200
> From: Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [PD] Keyname Object Changed?
> To: "Mike McGonagle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: PD-List data 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hola Mike,
>
> In fact, Greg wanted a method to make something like 'hello world'
> and not 'helloSpaceworld' working in purePd style (I use the purePd
> [list-l2s] abs from 'list-abs' that i forget to join). So i just make
> a small patch to transform the 'Space' to ' ' (from [keyname]) in a
> sentence working with Pd vanilla.
> For the other key like 'Shift_L' or 'Tab', etc. it's possible to add
> them in a [sel] object to make them inactive.
> Or if you work with Pd-entended the [entry] object seems very nice ;)
> I attach this last patch with abstractions (Pure Pd patch, working
> with Pd Vanilla) with new keys.
> ++
>
> Jack
> ?
>
> Le 12 ao?t 08 ? 20:34, Mike McGonagle a ?crit :
>
> > Jack,
> >
> > I tested out your patch, textB.pd, and whenever I hit the 'shift'
> > key, it put "Shift_L" into the list of atoms. I am certain there
> > are other keys that don't correspond exactly from how [keyname]
> > represents them, and how us Humans might want to see them in text.
> >
> > Other keys that do this are "Tab", "Caps_Lock", "BackSpace" (for
> > the delete key), "Left" (left arrow, etc. for the other arrow
> > keys). The Help, Home, End, PageUp, and PageDown keys also insert
> > other text into the list.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 8:57 PM, Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Yes, i had totaly forgotten this method ! Thanx Hans.
> > So here the patch to create sentence with the keyboard using
> > [makefilename %c] (more simple).
> > ++
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 12 ao?t 08 ? 03:32, Hans-Christoph Steiner a ?crit :
> >
> >
> > [keyname] changed to be more cross-platform, and more key commands
> > were added.  Also, "Space" is used as the key symbol since Tcl uses
> > "Space" to represent a space; " " wasn't working on all platforms
> > IIRC ; and,  it is much easier to deal with "Space" than " " in Pd.
> >
> > You could make a patch something like this to get a " ":
> >
> > [keyname]
> >   |
> >   [select Space]
> >   |
> >   [32(
> >   |
> >   [makefilename %c]
> >
> > .hc
> >
> > On Aug 10, 2008, at 3:35 PM, Jack wrote:
> >
> > i make three patches :
> > one to send text mith a message box via OSC : send.pd
> > one to receive text in a message box via OSC : receive.pd
> > one to create a text with keyboard (to write), space (for a space)
> > and return (to send) : text.pd
> > Hope it is what you are looking for.
> > ++
> >
> > Jack
> > 
> >
> > Le 10 ao?t 08 ? 17:25, Greg Surges a ?crit :
> >
> > Sure,
> >
> > I'm working on constructing strings, to allow chat over OSC. So, I
> > want to be able to use " " as a space, instead of getting results
> > like "helloSpaceworld".
> >
> > I've written an external that will do it, but I want to see if
> > there's a pd-vanilla way to do it.
> >
> > Thanks for the reply!
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 10:10 AM, Jack <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hello Greg,
> > To help you, can you tell us what you want to do with " " ?
> > ++
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> > Le 10 ao?t 08 ? 15:37, Greg Surges a ?crit :
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > First, pd-extended 0.40.3 is all-around great. Seems like lots of
> > hard work went into it. So thanks to the people who worked on that.
> >
> > Second, has the vanilla keyname object changed? Specifically, does
> > it now output "Space" instead of " " when the spacebar is used? Is
> > there a work-around to get the " " back?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > - Greg
> >
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] P.i.D.i.P. 0.12.23

[Kyle Klipowicz]

Thanks for supporting Pd-extended, Yves! And also for making kick-ass
software!

~Kyle

On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 11:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> hola,
>
> release of P.i.D.i.P. 0.12.23
> which is a release to improve camera support in pdp,
> as says the log file :
>
> ##
> 0.12.23 ( codename My Mum's Cam )
>  added pdp_v4l2 : video 4 linux 2 object
>code template from pdp_v4l and xawtv ( v4l2 driver ),
>thanks to Tom Schouten & Gerd Knorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  added pdp_ieee1394 : finally, the firewire camera object for linux
>written by Lluis Gomez i Bigorda ( <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> )
> ##
>
> for compiling the new pdp_ieee1394,
> you need to install the libdv-devel on debian or ubuntu
> ( remark for Hans )..
>
> also, there is no more tarballs on my website,
> all the code is in SVN,
> and if you want to install, i recommend
> to install pd extended...
>
> i think everybody should consider doing the same,
> and avoid all these tarballs everywhere,
> but as you like...
>
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Re: [PD] how to use [tcpserver] in a non-OSC context?

[Martin Peach]

Roman Haefeli wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 18:45 -0400, Martin Peach wrote: 
>> Roman Haefeli wrote:
>>> hi all
>>>
>>> i would like to rewrite the netpd-server patch using [tcpserver], but i
>>> cannot figure out how to convert 'list of number' messages into ascii
>>> messages. the OSC classes also from mrpeach seem to do the conversion
>>> internally. what i would need would something similar without the OSC
>>> functionality. is there something around?
>>>
>> Well if you had a functional [str] you could do that.
> 
> it seems, that the conversion from string to any and vice versa is part
> of the OSC classes written by you. i don't see why the class, that
> _only_ does this conversion, needs a patched pd, when at the same time
> the OSC classes don't. 
> would it be possible to have both: an efficient [str] for pd-extended
> and [str]
> 

Yes, maybe a [serialize] and [unserialize] would be a good idea.
[unserialize] would take a list of integer floats, interpret them as 
ascii,  and convert it to a single symbol, and [serialize] would take a 
symbol and convert it to a list of integer floats on [0..255]. 
Converting floats and lists raises problems though (should a float be 
converted to its ascii or binary representation? How to tell if a list 
of floats is meant to be decoded as symbols or floats?).

I think [moocow/any2string] and [moocow/string2any] already do this, but 
I can't tell right now because they don't seem to be in my Pd 
0.40.3-extended-20080719, or I'm not looking in the right place.

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[PD] An interview about Solitude by Hans-Christoph Steiner.

[Damien Henry - Voxler]

Many of you knows that  Hans-Christoph Steiner has done an extremely
interesting piece of music using pd's data structure named Solitude.

Maybe some of you don't already know that all the pd patch are
available. On the technical side, it is a unique chance to understand
how to use data-structures. On the musical side it is also an unique
chance to compose something new from that framework.

On http://www.graphicalscores.org you'll find an interview of
Hans-Christoph Steiner about Solitude where you'll learn some more
interesting details about it.

There is also a Wiki, if anyone there as done some "graphical score
related stuff" don't hesitate to add a reference to your work or contact
me directly.

all the best,
Damien.


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Re: [PD] extended 0.40.3

[olsen wolf]

just for cosmetic reasons - where do i find the nice Pd-extended icon
- as at least on ubuntustudio its not in the panel by default...
thanks&greets
olsen

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:51 PM, Phil Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same here, Hans.  Not a hitch so far.
>
>
> Phil
>
>
>
> Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>> Phew! ;)  Thanks for testing!
>>
>> .hc
>>
>>
>> On Jul 26, 2008, at 10:58 AM, Ben Carney wrote:
>>
>>> I tested my most recent patch on the new RC.
>>>
>>> It looks fantastic and works just as it did. Thanks a bunch, Hans
>>>
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] P.i.D.i.P. 0.12.23

[olsen wolf]

Hola
this is working in Pd-extended as well? at least on this freshy fresh
8.04 ubuntustudio there's only libdv4-dev around - which brings
pdp_ieee1394 not to live...
salutis
olsen

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:48 AM, Husk 00 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is a very good news, most of all for pdp_ieee1394 on linux finally
> many thanks
> husk
>
> On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 1:43 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> hola,
>>
>> release of P.i.D.i.P. 0.12.23
>> which is a release to improve camera support in pdp,
>> as says the log file :
>>
>> ##
>> 0.12.23 ( codename My Mum's Cam )
>>  added pdp_v4l2 : video 4 linux 2 object
>>code template from pdp_v4l and xawtv ( v4l2 driver ),
>>thanks to Tom Schouten & Gerd Knorr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>  added pdp_ieee1394 : finally, the firewire camera object for linux
>>written by Lluis Gomez i Bigorda ( <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> )
>> ##
>>
>> for compiling the new pdp_ieee1394,
>> you need to install the libdv-devel on debian or ubuntu
>> ( remark for Hans )..
>>
>> also, there is no more tarballs on my website,
>> all the code is in SVN,
>> and if you want to install, i recommend
>> to install pd extended...
>>
>> i think everybody should consider doing the same,
>> and avoid all these tarballs everywhere,
>> but as you like...
>>
>> que disfruteis!
>> sevy
>>
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[PD] Aide Auditive - music made with pd

[matohawk]

Hello pd-list,
Some news about Aide Auditive, a band who make music with pd.


NEW ALBUM : AIDE AUDITIVE
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Edition : Bourbaki- 50 copy

More informations here :
http://aide.auditive.free.fr/Bourbaki

If you want to buy an album, please send us an e-mail.


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AIDE AUDITIVE GERMAN TOUR, AUGUST 2008
with Miosine

21 - Pit Noack's Flat - Hannover
22 - Salon Bruit - Berlin - http://salonbruit.blogspot.com
23 - Putiklub - Berlin - http://www.myspace.com/putiklub
26 - Wendel - Berlin - http://www.myspace.com/FgMug
29 - Hoerbar - Hamburg - http://www.hoerbar-ev.de/

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Bourbaki- : http://www.bourbaki-rec.com
Aide Auditive : http://www.myspace.com/aideauditive
Miosine : http://www.myspace.com/omnimars13

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Re: [PD] how to use [tcpserver] in a non-OSC context?

[Roman Haefeli]

On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 18:45 -0400, Martin Peach wrote: 
> Roman Haefeli wrote:
> > hi all
> > 
> > i would like to rewrite the netpd-server patch using [tcpserver], but i
> > cannot figure out how to convert 'list of number' messages into ascii
> > messages. the OSC classes also from mrpeach seem to do the conversion
> > internally. what i would need would something similar without the OSC
> > functionality. is there something around?
> > 
> 
> Well if you had a functional [str] you could do that.

it seems, that the conversion from string to any and vice versa is part
of the OSC classes written by you. i don't see why the class, that
_only_ does this conversion, needs a patched pd, when at the same time
the OSC classes don't. 
would it be possible to have both: an efficient [str] for pd-extended
and [str]

roman




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Re: [PD] [Style Guide] 1. Separators in Send/Receive/Value names

[Steffen Juul]

On 13/08/2008, at 9.27, Luke Iannini wrote:

> I think we should adopt "-" for spaces, since it's the most prevalent
> style I've encountered.

I personal don't care if it's dash or underscore or camelCase.

> And, I think whatever we decide on as the
> hierarchical separator should be used to separate $0, $1 etc from the
> name itself.  When creating a hierarchy in a send/receive, one usually
> gloms together keys from parent abstractions, e.g. start with
> /bigsynth, then inside pass $1/filter to a child abstraction, then
> inside that use $1/cutoff to get /bigsynth/filter/cutoff.  I see $0 as
> no different; it means (or, is used to mean) "this-instance"/cutoff,
> and thus should be separated accordingly.

I agree.

> And, I have a slight leaning towards "." over "/" as the send/receive
> hierarchical separator since it provides a distinction from OSC
> addresses and namespaces.

I would be cool if you/someone could cook up some use case examples  
of this to makes things more clear in a practical way and less  
theoretical/bikeshedcolor-like. I think Frank suggested similar  
earlier on.

Ps. I think it's very cool that you attempt this work, and also  
honorable (though i hate that word) that you follow up on it and  
organize peoples opinions into a wiki-page. Maillists are such a  
terrible structured kind of "documentation".

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[PD] [Style Guide] 1. Separators in Send/Receive/Value names

[Luke Iannini]

Okee, here's the first small wooden building for the storage of
two-wheeled mechanical contraptions which we must design, architect
and finally apply an agreed-upon shade of thin colored acrylic.

Ratification 1:
Separators in Send/Receive/Value names

Synopsis:  When writing send and receive names, two situations arise
in which one might like to separate components of a name.
1.  To separate two words, as one would normally do with a space.
2.  To separate items in a hierarchy, as one does in a filesystem.

The characters under consideration are: _, -, ., / (and, camelCasing)

Examples:  Separators after a dollarsym, like $0-send.  Separators
when writing a multi-word name, like my-long-send-name.  Separators
when writing a hierarchical name to be used within Pd, like
drumkit.snare.noise.amount.

Possible confusion: Writing a hierarchical name to be used with OSC,
like /drumkit/snare/noise-component, and when writing a namespaced pd
object name, like [mapping/upsample]

Questions:  Should we separate dollarsyms with the hierarchical
separator, or the space separator? (i.e., if space is "-" and
hierarchy is ".", should it be $0.my-send or $0-my-send?)

Should we reserve the /, the most obvious choice for a hierarchical
separator, for use in OSC names and namespaces, using "." as a
'Pd-hierarchy-separator', or adopt the / for Pd name  hierarchies as
well?

-

Now, my thoughts on this:
I think we should adopt "-" for spaces, since it's the most prevalent
style I've encountered.  And, I think whatever we decide on as the
hierarchical separator should be used to separate $0, $1 etc from the
name itself.  When creating a hierarchy in a send/receive, one usually
gloms together keys from parent abstractions, e.g. start with
/bigsynth, then inside pass $1/filter to a child abstraction, then
inside that use $1/cutoff to get /bigsynth/filter/cutoff.  I see $0 as
no different; it means (or, is used to mean) "this-instance"/cutoff,
and thus should be separated accordingly.

And, I have a slight leaning towards "." over "/" as the send/receive
hierarchical separator since it provides a distinction from OSC
addresses and namespaces.

Best
Luke

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