Re: [PD] Building Externals
On Sat, 2008-10-11 at 18:57 -0400, carmen r wrote: > and it _still_ doesnt find ALSA by default on launch pd -alsa > and the configure script _still_ cant find jack.h ../configure --enable-jack roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
> 'externals' cannot be self-sufficient since it will always depend on the > headers in 'pd'. the existing scripts were smart enough to find m_pd.h (and the other headers) alonside externals/, or its parent directory see miXed/ it still works that way the issue is you introduced dependencies on several new toplevel dirs for no good reason and broke up the modularity of the makefiles all i'm asking is /scripts and /packages can descend in, and do what they need, without requiring stuff inside to depend on new toplevel stuff and same for the external makefile - the per-project bits should go in individual Makefiles in the projects, and the top level should just glob them all and make in each (or the dirs specified) > > Most of this organization is bourne of the fact that only Miller can > modify the 'pd' section. well, the extra/ portion of miller's PD should go away too anyways, im not sure i can log in to the new SVN. im just amazed at how broken everything stil is i cant even launch PD without it killing all keyboard input (even to Tk/pd-gui itself) until using the mouse to exit. and it _still_ doesnt find ALSA by default on launch and the configure script _still_ cant find jack.h etc oh well, unsubscribing. have fun in your broken paradise > > .hc > > > > > > > > > "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we > don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of > Environmentalism", by Curtis White > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] warmest reverb?
noisevault.com has a lot to choose from, but a really nice room sound is the organ room impulse from the Altiverb demo set. It has to be converted from .sd2 to WAV. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Anyone have a good room impulse response file for partconv~? CPU usage > isn't really a concern since these files will be rendered out and played as > .wavs > > .hc > > On Oct 11, 2008, at 4:13 PM, chris clepper wrote: > > partconv~ with a medium sized room or EMT 140 IR. > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> >> Hey all, >> >> I am currently working furiously on a sound design project. I used >> freeverb since it is quick and easy. But now I want to replace it >> with the warmest reverb Pd can offer. >> >> Any suggestions? >> >> .hc >> >> >> >> >> >> "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we >> don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of >> Environmentalism", by Curtis White >> >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> >> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list >> > > > > > > > > Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic > > > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pix_preview and pd
Continuing my quest to compile pix_preview, I've created a XCode project. The source compiles ok but needs PD and GEM libraries. I'm on the process of compiling pd 0.41.4 and I get the following error when I run make: ld: library not found for -lcrt1.10.5.o collect2: ld returned 1 exit status ld: library not found for -lcrt1.10.5.o collect2: ld returned 1 exit status lipo: can't open input file: /var/folders/7I/7I19eeu1EdGIskTw499EmE+++TI/-Tmp-//cc0rOQHJ.out (No such file or directory) make: *** [../bin/pd-watchdog] Error 1 what library is crt? Daniel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Interrupting a message loop?
Is there a way to stop an non-terminating message loop? The only way I know is to Ctrl-C Pd (under Linux), which is not very satisfactory. Thanks, Bill Gribble ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:33 PM, carmen r wrote: > On Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:15:59PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: >> Hallo, >> Alex hat gesagt: // Alex wrote: >> >>> Can someone tell me how to build the new svn externals? >>> I downloaded from the svn: >>> https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/ >>> externals >>> >>> I run make mrpeach [I'm only worried about this external at this >>> time] >>> and I get: >>> >>> 09:20:13 $ make mrpeach >>> Makefile:27: /packages/Makefile.buildlayout: No such file or >>> directory >>> grep: /sigpack/source/sIgpAck.c: No such file or directory >>> grep: /zexy/src/zexy.h: No such file or directory >>> make: *** No rule to make target `/packages/ >>> Makefile.buildlayout'. Stop. >> >> You also need to check out the "packages" directory. In fact, it's >> best >> to check out everything in trunk once. >> >>> It seems to me that in an effort to make things 'easy' and >>> 'centralized' this has actually become more complicated and less >>> easy. >>> It would be easier for me if I could just dl the externals I want, >>> and run 'make' in their respective directories [maybe editing the >>> destination path before I do that]. >> >> This works for some externals, but mrpeach doesn't have its own >> makefile >> (AFAIK). The global build system is the only global one actively >> maintained, so unless someone comes up with and maintains a >> better one, >> that's all there is. > > the thing is, there _Was_ sometihng more sane > > you know, > for dir in */; do > cd dir > make > done > > (or the suitable slightly less verbose Makefile way of doing such) Whatever was there is still there. We removed no makefiles in the process of making that one. That's why it's all in one file. > is someone going to revert changes if i go and split up that > monster makefile? If you want to improve the build system, that would be very great. There has been a lot of discussion about how to do this over the years. Make a proposal how would you do it, and we'll take it from there. .hc > > >> >> Ciao >> -- >> Frank >> >> >> ___ >> Pd-list@iem.at mailing list >> UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ >> listinfo/pd-list > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] warmest reverb?
Anyone have a good room impulse response file for partconv~? CPU usage isn't really a concern since these files will be rendered out and played as .wavs .hc On Oct 11, 2008, at 4:13 PM, chris clepper wrote: partconv~ with a medium sized room or EMT 140 IR. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hey all, I am currently working furiously on a sound design project. I used freeverb since it is quick and easy. But now I want to replace it with the warmest reverb Pd can offer. Any suggestions? .hc -- -- "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of Environmentalism", by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:43 PM, carmen r wrote: > btw why is additionally depending on ../packages/ and ../build/ > and ../scripts/ good? > > this change bugged me ever since it occured but i refrained from > mentioning, since at least someone was motivated to work on > maintenance > > imo /externals should be self-sufficient, like it always was > > you can no longer move it around and expect it to build... 'externals' cannot be self-sufficient since it will always depend on the headers in 'pd'. Most of this organization is bourne of the fact that only Miller can modify the 'pd' section. .hc "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of Environmentalism", by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix on patch
On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:05 PM, Martin Peach wrote: > Daniel Almeida wrote: >> Hello Hans. >> >> I've tried pix_preview on Leopard and I get the following error >> when I run "make": >> >> g++ -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math - >> Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PNM_VERSION= >> \"0.6\" -g -I../pd-0.41-4//src -I. -I../gem-0.91.1//src -I../ >> pd-0.41-4//src -o pix_preview.o -c pix_preview.cpp >> rm -f pix_preview.pd_linux >> gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o pix_preview.pd_linux pix_preview.o -lm >> ld: unknown option: -export_dynamic >> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status >> make: *** [pix_preview.pd_linux] Error 1 >> >> >> I haven't got a clue about this error. >> >> > > It's because you are building the Linux version instead of the OSX > version. > There should be a makefile that you can edit. > > Martin You probably need to do something like "make pd_darwin" .hc "Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you." - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] externals scrubar inversion of control
That's nothing new, it's been like that a long time. I don't think anyone thinks its a great solution, but it works. It was more born out of politics than any technical concern, but I think those politics have mostly subsided. If you can do it better, I invite you to make a better system. Some of us here have outlined an autoconf-based system, but that's not essential. I could see a pkgconfig/makefile system perhaps. .hc On Oct 11, 2008, at 12:22 PM, carmen r wrote: > > someone f'd up the externals/ dir on SVN big time > > theres 118K (!!!) makefile at toplevel, > > with instructions for (all? most?) subdirectories > > subdirectory makefiles do weird sed/regex hell just to essentialyl > cd .. and send their directory name to the megascript > > > WTF??? > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] warmest reverb?
partconv is great but eats a lot of cpu and vst ?? cheers luigi On Oct 11, 2008, at 7:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: > > Hey all, > > I am currently working furiously on a sound design project. I used > freeverb since it is quick and easy. But now I want to replace it > with the warmest reverb Pd can offer. > > Any suggestions? > > .hc > > > -- > -- > > > "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we > don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of > Environmentalism", by Curtis White > > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/ > listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] warmest reverb?
partconv~ with a medium sized room or EMT 140 IR. On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 12:15 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > Hey all, > > I am currently working furiously on a sound design project. I used > freeverb since it is quick and easy. But now I want to replace it > with the warmest reverb Pd can offer. > > Any suggestions? > > .hc > > > > > > "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we > don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of > Environmentalism", by Curtis White > > > > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list > ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] warmest reverb?
Hey all, I am currently working furiously on a sound design project. I used freeverb since it is quick and easy. But now I want to replace it with the warmest reverb Pd can offer. Any suggestions? .hc "It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives.", from "The Idols of Environmentalism", by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
btw why is additionally depending on ../packages/ and ../build/ and ../scripts/ good? this change bugged me ever since it occured but i refrained from mentioning, since at least someone was motivated to work on maintenance imo /externals should be self-sufficient, like it always was you can no longer move it around and expect it to build... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
On Sat Oct 11, 2008 at 07:15:59PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: > Hallo, > Alex hat gesagt: // Alex wrote: > > > Can someone tell me how to build the new svn externals? > > I downloaded from the svn: > > https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals > > > > I run make mrpeach [I'm only worried about this external at this time] > > and I get: > > > > 09:20:13 $ make mrpeach > > Makefile:27: /packages/Makefile.buildlayout: No such file or directory > > grep: /sigpack/source/sIgpAck.c: No such file or directory > > grep: /zexy/src/zexy.h: No such file or directory > > make: *** No rule to make target `/packages/Makefile.buildlayout'. Stop. > > You also need to check out the "packages" directory. In fact, it's best > to check out everything in trunk once. > > > It seems to me that in an effort to make things 'easy' and > > 'centralized' this has actually become more complicated and less easy. > > It would be easier for me if I could just dl the externals I want, > > and run 'make' in their respective directories [maybe editing the > > destination path before I do that]. > > This works for some externals, but mrpeach doesn't have its own makefile > (AFAIK). The global build system is the only global one actively > maintained, so unless someone comes up with and maintains a better one, > that's all there is. the thing is, there _Was_ sometihng more sane you know, for dir in */; do cd dir make done (or the suitable slightly less verbose Makefile way of doing such) is someone going to revert changes if i go and split up that monster makefile? > > Ciao > -- > Frank > > > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building Externals
Hallo, Alex hat gesagt: // Alex wrote: > Can someone tell me how to build the new svn externals? > I downloaded from the svn: > https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals > > I run make mrpeach [I'm only worried about this external at this time] > and I get: > > 09:20:13 $ make mrpeach > Makefile:27: /packages/Makefile.buildlayout: No such file or directory > grep: /sigpack/source/sIgpAck.c: No such file or directory > grep: /zexy/src/zexy.h: No such file or directory > make: *** No rule to make target `/packages/Makefile.buildlayout'. Stop. You also need to check out the "packages" directory. In fact, it's best to check out everything in trunk once. > It seems to me that in an effort to make things 'easy' and > 'centralized' this has actually become more complicated and less easy. > It would be easier for me if I could just dl the externals I want, > and run 'make' in their respective directories [maybe editing the > destination path before I do that]. This works for some externals, but mrpeach doesn't have its own makefile (AFAIK). The global build system is the only global one actively maintained, so unless someone comes up with and maintains a better one, that's all there is. Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix on patch
Daniel Almeida wrote: > Hello Hans. > > I've tried pix_preview on Leopard and I get the following error when I run > "make": > > g++ -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -Wall -W > -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PNM_VERSION=\"0.6\" -g > -I../pd-0.41-4//src -I. -I../gem-0.91.1//src -I../pd-0.41-4//src -o > pix_preview.o -c pix_preview.cpp > rm -f pix_preview.pd_linux > gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o pix_preview.pd_linux pix_preview.o -lm > ld: unknown option: -export_dynamic > collect2: ld returned 1 exit status > make: *** [pix_preview.pd_linux] Error 1 > > > I haven't got a clue about this error. > > It's because you are building the Linux version instead of the OSX version. There should be a makefile that you can edit. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Building Externals
Can someone tell me how to build the new svn externals? I downloaded from the svn: https://pure-data.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/pure-data/trunk/externals I run make mrpeach [I'm only worried about this external at this time] and I get: 09:20:13 $ make mrpeach Makefile:27: /packages/Makefile.buildlayout: No such file or directory grep: /sigpack/source/sIgpAck.c: No such file or directory grep: /zexy/src/zexy.h: No such file or directory make: *** No rule to make target `/packages/Makefile.buildlayout'. Stop. The README says to go here: http://puredata.org/docs/developer/ And there I see some information about "Directory Layout for Developers" (but about the old cvs repo) and some other stuff, but no info about how to simply build the externals using make. Is there no step-by-step list of instructions? It seems to me that in an effort to make things 'easy' and 'centralized' this has actually become more complicated and less easy. It would be easier for me if I could just dl the externals I want, and run 'make' in their respective directories [maybe editing the destination path before I do that]. A larger build script could simply export some environment variable(s) to set global defaults for these paths [if a sane, standard makefile is given to all developers to work from]. Maybe I'm missing some vital information though? -Alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] externals scrubar inversion of control
someone f'd up the externals/ dir on SVN big time theres 118K (!!!) makefile at toplevel, with instructions for (all? most?) subdirectories subdirectory makefiles do weird sed/regex hell just to essentialyl cd .. and send their directory name to the megascript WTF??? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix on patch
Hello Hans. I've tried pix_preview on Leopard and I get the following error when I run "make": g++ -DPD -O2 -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer -ffast-math -Wall -W -Wno-unused -Wno-parentheses -Wno-switch -DGEM2PNM_VERSION=\"0.6\" -g -I../pd-0.41-4//src -I. -I../gem-0.91.1//src -I../pd-0.41-4//src -o pix_preview.o -c pix_preview.cpp rm -f pix_preview.pd_linux gcc -export_dynamic -shared -o pix_preview.pd_linux pix_preview.o -lm ld: unknown option: -export_dynamic collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [pix_preview.pd_linux] Error 1 I haven't got a clue about this error. On Oct 11, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: There is pix_preview and pdp_preview for GNU/Linux and maybe for Mac OS X. http://artefacte.org/pd/ They are alpha/betaish quality... .hc On Oct 10, 2008, at 4:18 PM, Daniel Almeida wrote: Hi everyone. Is it possible to show a pix on a the patch, instead of only showing on the gemwin? This is possible to do with max. I would like to be able to see on the main patch 2 or more playing videos that will be combined in the output on the gemwin. Daniel ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
