Re: [PD] UTF-8 for pd-devel WAS: locales for Pd WAS: japanese encoded chars in PD
moin all, On 2009-02-20 06:20:18, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org appears to have written: On Feb 19, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Bryan Jurish wrote: moin Hans, moin list, On 2009-02-19 18:43:49, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org appears to have written: One other thing, it seems that the ASCII char are handled differently than the UTF-8 chars in g_rtext.c, I think you could use instead wcswidth(), mbstowcs() or other UTF-8 functions as described in the UTF-8 FAQ http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~mgk25/unicode.html#mod Certainly, but (A) we already have the UTF-8 byte string in keysym, and we need to append that whole string to the buffer anyways, and (B) using wcswidth() co requires forcing the locale to have a UTF-8 LC_CTYPE. I know I did this in m_pd.c, but I think that was a HACK and that using locale functions here is the Wrong Way To Do It, because it's dangerous, unportable, and slow (warning: rant follows): __dangerous__: setting the locale is global for all threads of a process; in forcing the locale, we could conceivably mess with desired behavior elsewhere (e.g. in externals). __unportable__: we don't even know if all users' machines *have* a UTF-8 locale installed, and even if they do, we don't know what it's called. If we don't force the encoding, we're stuck with either C (e.g. ASCII; what we've got now in Pd-vanilla), or whatever the user is currently employing (after setlocale(LC_ALL,)), which makes patches' appearance dependent on the user's encoding (e.g. what we've got now in Pd-vanilla), and doesn't even work in the case of variable-length encodings such as UTF-8. __slow__: many locale-based conversion functions are known to be pretty darned slow. if we assume we're always dealing with (valid) UTF-8, we can speed things up considerably. going straight to wchar_t is another option, but would require many more changes on the C side, likely break the C API, and wouldn't solve the locale-dependency of patches' appearances, which I think is a really good argument for UTF-8. Isn't it pretty safe to assume these days that UTF-8 is supported? Yes, but under what name? Also, I believe the relevant locale variable (LC_CTYPE) requires a language component prior to the charmap, and we cannot guarantee that e.g. en_US is installed everywhere. The only locale guaranteed to be installed everywhere is C, and that determines language and charmap simultaneously. Also, the dangerous property is impossible to get around, unless maybe we treat the locale like a stack and only force LC_CTYPE=(whatever).UTF-8 in code where we know we want/need UTF-8. I suspect this might slow things down enormously (although I haven't tested exactly what kind of overhead is involved). Adding threads to the picture means that we would have to add locking on LC_CTYPE (or similar) and that would only work if hypothetical locale-sensitive externals respected the same locks. All in all more trouble than it's worth, IM(ns)HO. One thing I just found out is that Windows uses a 2-byte char natively (UCS-2?), Probably. I think Mac OS X uses UTF-8 natively. ... but not for wchar_t (which would be superfluous if sizeof(wchar_t)==1) ! I think that most Linux tools should work with UTF-8 too, especially since it can work as ASCII. Yes, but working with UTF-8 is by no means synonymous with supporting a particular (and known) value of LC_CTYPE which happens to use UTF-8 as its charmap. Most text-processing tools work with UTF-8 because they can get away with just churning bytes -- this is not the case for Pd (which counts characters to move the selection, edit buffers, determine box widths, and maybe more)... So you think we can have full UTF-8 support without using those functions? In a word: yes. Specifically, I think we can have full UTF-8 support without using those functions *as provided by the C99 locale API*. That amounts to rolling our own versions of the same and/or similar functionality. In particular, the (utf8.c,utf8.h) code by Jeff Bezanson (see http://www.cprogramming.com/tutorial/unicode.html) has some attractive utilities for wrapping typical string-processing code (in particular, u8_inc() and u8_dec() for adapting old byte-string processing code using i++ and i--, respectively), in addition to wrappers for the usual locale-style functionality: wcswidth() -- (trivial) (I've written the code) mbstowcs() -- u8_toucs() (I've actually got a version of this too) Other of Bezanson's utilities (isutf8(), u8_offset(), u8_charnum(), u8_nextchar()) are also potentially useful for adapting the C side, and in some cases, I'm not even sure how to wrap them with the C locale functions without converting the whole UTF-8 string to wchar_t, which I think we can agree we do not want to do. Assumedly, Bezanson's code (public domain) code is safe for integration with anything, so I'll use that for now, if no one objects. That said, a faster implementation would
[PD] structuring of pd objects (was: Re: [PD-dev] stripping down Pd-extended's default libs)
hi, (maybe this is of general interest for pd users?) speaking of lists, I once did a similar thing some years ago, collecting 2682 objects. the list is far away from being complete or up to date... http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/files/GENERAL_ALL.csv_.txt marius. 2009/2/20 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I definitely agree that we should have libraries organized based on a topic. There is nothing stopping anyone from doing this. There is tons of code that could be easily taking and stuck into new libraries organized around concepts. hmm, that matches with what I was proposing (still on a private level) for the new categories of documentating pd-ext objects. although some people might not like not having their objects in their personal folder, it would really make information more easily to come by - fyi, I think in the latest object list I've made, there are ~1200 externals (objects + abstractions). I would go to the extra step and and follow yves' suggestions try to ask some developpers to change the names of some objects to avoid name clashes - if that's possible anyway, after all these years of programming. I can't contribute with code because I can't code, but I can write mails and give (sometimes good) ideas. To remind how big the task is, I attach here the list of pd-ext objects I've done some months ago (as a first step to try to get an updated documentation for pd-ext). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
In any case you'd have to really hurry up with the application... the Austrian foreign ministry is real quick with spending their available funds. gr~~~ 2009/2/20 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com: I think the Europeans and Canadians have much better options. Anyone know of other options for Americans? Or anyone think I could use my Austrian citizenship to get a travel grant from the Austrian gov't? afaik, you might be better off talking to the austrians. but the other austrians here on the list will have more to say about this. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Thomas Grill http://g.org ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
yep. I did ask some Austrians I know :) another thing is the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund. It seems that any who did study some time there can apply. And I see they were partners with the previous convention. I will get in touch with them too, but anybody knows how did that work in the past? cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD + Digi 003
Hey, Does anyone have any experience with the Digi 003? We have two of these things in our labs and every time i try to use Jack with it I get: Error: Cannot start Jack server, Please check preferences or retry after a system reboot. I have a demo of audio hijack that uses soundflower and seems to work fine if i choose soundflower as my pd output. i can not choose the digi 003 directly from pd? not sure if this is a jack problem? anyone get this this to work with jack/pd? i know these things are a pain in the ass. digidesignbite me on this one! m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Many outlets and/or inlets
Hello: Probably a naif question, sorry by that. Is there a way to enlarge an object´s box for the case where there are lots of inlets and/or outlets and so they loose individual visibility? Many thanks Isi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Many outlets and/or inlets
this is sort of a cheap trick, but if the object has no initial arguments or if you can override them, i just add 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 so that it looks longer J On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Isidro Gonzalez isidro_gon...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello: Probably a naif question, sorry by that. Is there a way to enlarge an object´s box for the case where there are lots of inlets and/or outlets and so they loose individual visibility? Many thanks Isi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Many outlets and/or inlets
when you have everything connected though you can just delete them...J On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Jaime Oliver jaime.oliv...@gmail.comwrote: this is sort of a cheap trick, but if the object has no initial arguments or if you can override them, i just add 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 so that it looks longer J On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:50 PM, Isidro Gonzalez isidro_gon...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello: Probably a naif question, sorry by that. Is there a way to enlarge an object´s box for the case where there are lots of inlets and/or outlets and so they loose individual visibility? Many thanks Isi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA -- Jaime E Oliver LR joliv...@ucsd.edu www.realidadvisual.org/jaimeoliver www-crca.ucsd.edu/ www.realidadvisual.org 858 202 1522 9168 Regents Rd. Apt. G La Jolla, CA 92037 USA ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] color tracking in Gem/Pd-extended?
Wondering the best solution for color tracking in Pd-extended. I'd like my solution to be cross-platform so that rules out PDP and friends. All I've come up with is to use [pix_blob] to track the color, and to try to minimize the tracking color in the background. There's probably a Gem object where I can gate a color i.e. eliminate a color from a pixel if it is less than a certain amount. In my rendering chain after my webcam I'd gate the color I am trying to track, then use [pix_blob] with a color weight of entirely the tracking color. Is there a better way? -John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD + Digi 003
All I can say is that Digidesign hardware generally doesn't play nice with anything but Pro Tools and other official software. .hc On Feb 20, 2009, at 10:17 AM, mark edward grimm wrote: Hey, Does anyone have any experience with the Digi 003? We have two of these things in our labs and every time i try to use Jack with it I get: Error: Cannot start Jack server, Please check preferences or retry after a system reboot. I have a demo of audio hijack that uses soundflower and seems to work fine if i choose soundflower as my pd output. i can not choose the digi 003 directly from pd? not sure if this is a jack problem? anyone get this this to work with jack/pd? i know these things are a pain in the ass. digidesignbite me on this one! m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] color tracking in Gem/Pd-extended?
How will you avoid gating the color of the object you're trying to track as well? To use your method below I'd suggest using some combination of [separator] and [pix_background] to create a mask so that [pix_blob] (or the color gate, depending on the setup) only affects new objects introduced into the environment. That's very incomplete suggestion, but I don't have pd in front of me right now to toy with examples. Best of luck, let me know if you get a patch together, I'd like to see it. -Ben Wondering the best solution for color tracking in Pd-extended. I'd like my solution to be cross-platform so that rules out PDP and friends. All I've come up with is to use [pix_blob] to track the color, and to try to minimize the tracking color in the background. There's probably a Gem object where I can gate a color i.e. eliminate a color from a pixel if it is less than a certain amount. In my rendering chain after my webcam I'd gate the color I am trying to track, then use [pix_blob] with a color weight of entirely the tracking color. Is there a better way? -John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
Does the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund works for european who are not living in Swiss? Does anyone have an idea on the way to get funds if I'm French? 2009/2/20 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: yep. I did ask some Austrians I know :) another thing is the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund. It seems that any who did study some time there can apply. And I see they were partners with the previous convention. I will get in touch with them too, but anybody knows how did that work in the past? cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- David Doukhan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
Aparently it does if you lived, worked, studied, for a while there... I am just wondering how ere they partners with the previous convention. I just realized that this year is the YEAR OF FRANCE IN BRASIL So I really strongly believe we can bring people from France this year if we look our way into it... what you say? cheers On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, David Doukhan david.douk...@gmail.comwrote: Does the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund works for european who are not living in Swiss? Does anyone have an idea on the way to get funds if I'm French? 2009/2/20 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: yep. I did ask some Austrians I know :) another thing is the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund. It seems that any who did study some time there can apply. And I see they were partners with the previous convention. I will get in touch with them too, but anybody knows how did that work in the past? cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- David Doukhan -- Alexandre Torres Porres cel. (11)8179-6226 Website: http://porres.googlepages.com/home http://www.myspace.com/alexandretorresporres ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
2009/2/21 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: Aparently it does if you lived, worked, studied, for a while there... you mean in Switzerland? I never went there... I am just wondering how ere they partners with the previous convention. I just realized that this year is the YEAR OF FRANCE IN BRASIL I was not aware of that event... So I really strongly believe we can bring people from France this year if we look our way into it... what you say? I say it could be marvelous!!! Let me know about if you think you can do something... I'll try to ask around me also... cheers cheers! On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, David Doukhan david.douk...@gmail.com wrote: Does the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund works for european who are not living in Swiss? Does anyone have an idea on the way to get funds if I'm French? 2009/2/20 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: yep. I did ask some Austrians I know :) another thing is the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund. It seems that any who did study some time there can apply. And I see they were partners with the previous convention. I will get in touch with them too, but anybody knows how did that work in the past? cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- David Doukhan -- Alexandre Torres Porres cel. (11)8179-6226 Website: http://porres.googlepages.com/home http://www.myspace.com/alexandretorresporres -- David Doukhan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
ok, I cant read french, but here you go: http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/article_imprim.php3?id_article=65761 I am about to talk to someone who can discuss this better with me next week, so I will keep in touch as soon as i find something out. cheers alex On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:51 PM, David Doukhan david.douk...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/2/21 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: Aparently it does if you lived, worked, studied, for a while there... you mean in Switzerland? I never went there... I am just wondering how ere they partners with the previous convention. I just realized that this year is the YEAR OF FRANCE IN BRASIL I was not aware of that event... So I really strongly believe we can bring people from France this year if we look our way into it... what you say? I say it could be marvelous!!! Let me know about if you think you can do something... I'll try to ask around me also... cheers cheers! On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, David Doukhan david.douk...@gmail.com wrote: Does the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund works for european who are not living in Swiss? Does anyone have an idea on the way to get funds if I'm French? 2009/2/20 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: yep. I did ask some Austrians I know :) another thing is the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund. It seems that any who did study some time there can apply. And I see they were partners with the previous convention. I will get in touch with them too, but anybody knows how did that work in the past? cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- David Doukhan -- Alexandre Torres Porres cel. (11)8179-6226 Website: http://porres.googlepages.com/home http://www.myspace.com/alexandretorresporres -- David Doukhan -- Alexandre Torres Porres cel. (11)8179-6226 Website: http://porres.googlepages.com/home http://www.myspace.com/alexandretorresporres ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD + Digi 003
Hi I have a Digi 002 and find that to get anything working externally ie something that is not Pro Tools its best to open the Digidesign core audio and make sure that core audio is connected before opening any other applications you want to use 1. Open applications/Digidesign/Digi CoreAudio Manager.. connect to sound card set HW Prefs 2. You need JackPilot installed Open and run JackPilot 3 Open qjackCTL it sets up and runs automatically since JackPilot is already running 4. open Pd change settings to jack you should have sound Hope this helps ede On 20-Feb-09, at 10:17 AM, mark edward grimm wrote: Hey, Does anyone have any experience with the Digi 003? We have two of these things in our labs and every time i try to use Jack with it I get: Error: Cannot start Jack server, Please check preferences or retry after a system reboot. I have a demo of audio hijack that uses soundflower and seems to work fine if i choose soundflower as my pd output. i can not choose the digi 003 directly from pd? not sure if this is a jack problem? anyone get this this to work with jack/pd? i know these things are a pain in the ass. digidesignbite me on this one! m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended on Ubuntu 8.1 Intrepid
Hello Fraenk, One more question: are there any risks of conflicts, if I install severeal versions of pd? Specially one pd-extended and one pd-vanilla.- When I first got Ubuntu-Studio, it came with PD installed by default in a package named puredata. This is just the core of PD. I installed PD-extended without removing puredata and it worked with no noticeable problems. However, the packages of PD-extended will not let you have both vanilla and extended installed at the same time if both done through synaptic. This is because apparently there are conflicts which I have personally not experienced since when I was running them both, I wasn't using PD much anyway. You can try for yourself and see. If you NEED both versions for some reason (highly unlikely, I just did it cause I couldn't be bothered to look into it at that point), go for it and let us know what happened. If you NEED a STABLE version, just pick one of the two. They both are the same core, but PD-extended gives you a whole bunch of extra things such as libraries and externals and so on, already compiled, in the same package. If you meant installing PD vanilla 0.41 and PD-extended 0.40.3, that's a different story, and the short answer is that it depends on how you compile it, otherwise you just stick to what the packages give you. Take care, Ilias ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] (no subject)
Hi Alexandre, all, AFAIK we applied to funders in Canada only but we sent invitations letters that would have been useful for participants that were able to apply from other sources. Best of luck, Alexandre On Friday 20 February 2009 20:05:30 Alexandre Porres wrote: ok, I cant read french, but here you go: http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/article_imprim.php3?id_article=65761 I am about to talk to someone who can discuss this better with me next week, so I will keep in touch as soon as i find something out. cheers alex On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:51 PM, David Doukhan david.douk...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/2/21 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: Aparently it does if you lived, worked, studied, for a while there... you mean in Switzerland? I never went there... I am just wondering how ere they partners with the previous convention. I just realized that this year is the YEAR OF FRANCE IN BRASIL I was not aware of that event... So I really strongly believe we can bring people from France this year if we look our way into it... what you say? I say it could be marvelous!!! Let me know about if you think you can do something... I'll try to ask around me also... cheers cheers! On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:38 PM, David Doukhan david.douk...@gmail.com wrote: Does the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund works for european who are not living in Swiss? Does anyone have an idea on the way to get funds if I'm French? 2009/2/20 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: yep. I did ask some Austrians I know :) another thing is the Swiss Pro Helvetia fund. It seems that any who did study some time there can apply. And I see they were partners with the previous convention. I will get in touch with them too, but anybody knows how did that work in the past? cheers alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- David Doukhan -- Alexandre Torres Porres cel. (11)8179-6226 Website: http://porres.googlepages.com/home http://www.myspace.com/alexandretorresporres -- David Doukhan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Many outlets and/or inlets
yeah, i just add -- as an argument. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Best way to deal with many tables.
Hey all. I've managed to get my patches to use less objects, and more messages. Problem I have now is storing data in an organized way. Basically the system I'm working on needs to store the RGB hists of many images (10,000 ideally, RAM permitting). RGB hists are concatenated into tables of 768 elements each. What is the best way to deal with this number of tables? There are the usual thoughts of using dynamic patching and such, but really I'd like a more elegant solution. Has anyone worked on something like a multi-table or nested table? I could put everything in one giant table, but each chunk needs to be a list in the end and it seems to be iterating over a section of the table to dump it as a list would be a lot slower than using [tabdump]. Just wondering if anyone has any suggestions. I've already mentioned my wish to have a generic storage system (similar to data-structures but independent of any graphical representation) namely: tables of floats (done), tables of symbols, and most importantly tables of tables! .b. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] color tracking in Gem/Pd-extended?
did you have a look at pix_alpha? marius. John Harrison wrote: Wondering the best solution for color tracking in Pd-extended. I'd like my solution to be cross-platform so that rules out PDP and friends. All I've come up with is to use [pix_blob] to track the color, and to try to minimize the tracking color in the background. There's probably a Gem object where I can gate a color i.e. eliminate a color from a pixel if it is less than a certain amount. In my rendering chain after my webcam I'd gate the color I am trying to track, then use [pix_blob] with a color weight of entirely the tracking color. Is there a better way? -John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
João Pais wrote: I think the Europeans and Canadians have much better options. Anyone know of other options for Americans? Or anyone think I could use my Austrian citizenship to get a travel grant from the Austrian gov't? afaik, you might be better off talking to the austrians. but the other austrians here on the list will have more to say about this. hi, it seems there was a special cultural exchange program in 2008 between EU and Brazil, but this year they focus on 8 other contries (occupied palestine is one of them). there seems to be some EU money this year for bio fules related stuff in cooperation with brazil (in case someone wants to present a pd project on bio fuels...). more EU/austrian info at http://www.ccp-austria.at marius. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] finding funding to the PdCon09
Thomas Grill wrote: In any case you'd have to really hurry up with the application... the Austrian foreign ministry is real quick with spending their available funds. gr~~~ are you talking about a particular fund/grant? what do you think about contacting the austrian embassy in brazil? https://cms.bmeia.at/botschaft/brasilia/aktuelles/kultur.html marius. 2009/2/20 João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com: I think the Europeans and Canadians have much better options. Anyone know of other options for Americans? Or anyone think I could use my Austrian citizenship to get a travel grant from the Austrian gov't? afaik, you might be better off talking to the austrians. but the other austrians here on the list will have more to say about this. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
