[PD] [OT] Problem with http://wiki.puredata.info?
Thought I'd mention this here as it may be of interest... a person was pointing out an not-so-nice error on http://wiki.puredata.info/en/ I wonder how much the Pdpedia pages are alive/maintained. Lorenzo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Web browser?
They are in moocow lib. Sorry if it sounds obvious, Have you tried to initialize them with the lib prefix? [moocow/bytes2any] M This is fascinating, currently not running on my mac, however, missing [any2bytes] and [bytes2any] Does anyone know where I can find these two objects? Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 11:19:15 -0300 Subject: Re: [PD] Web browser? From: santorcuat...@gmail.com To: timv...@gmail.com CC: jbtur...@hotmail.com; pd-list@iem.at t works perfect, sometimes takes a little, but very good, it is possible to obtain data from the web or have any form to connect with pd?, perhaps viaphp? ... This is getting very good. Greetings dear friends Jos? -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Web browser?
hi jose maybe that one? your sincerely der.brandt Zitat von Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuat...@gmail.com: Hi List, me again!, hahaha, I write query by some message or object that allows me to go to a website without having to leave pd, just bang and open the browser or a popup in pd ... maybe Yves library?, any alternative? Best regards José -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list #N canvas 0 0 552 317 10; #X obj 14 254 s pd-html; #N canvas 468 0 450 300 html 1; #X restore 385 259 pd html; #X msg 88 152 editmode \$1; #X msg 87 129 0; #X msg 117 130 1; #X msg 59 194 mouse \$1 \$2 \$3 \$4; #X msg 59 174 10 10 0 1; #X msg 15 100 obj 10 10 pddplink \$1 -box; #X obj 7 38 symbol; #X msg 8 14 http://puredata.info/; #X text 185 91 puts a box named pdplink into the html window; #X text 149 14 fill in the url; #X text 183 142 switches on and off the editmode; #X text 184 102 on a specified place; #X text 177 189 moves the mouse to the place of the link; #X text 176 199 an clicks; #X text 99 221 after opening the web-browser the object will be cutted ; #X msg 34 217 cut \$1 1; #X obj 7 59 t b b s b b b b s b; #X connect 2 0 0 0; #X connect 3 0 2 0; #X connect 4 0 2 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 5 0; #X connect 7 0 0 0; #X connect 8 0 18 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 17 0 0 0; #X connect 18 2 17 0; #X connect 18 3 6 0; #X connect 18 4 4 0; #X connect 18 5 6 0; #X connect 18 6 3 0; #X connect 18 7 7 0; #X connect 18 8 4 0;___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD OOP?
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Chris McCormick wrote: Ah, sorry for the confusion. I meant it to say that sometimes constraining yourself, as with following the rules for writing haiku, can help creativity. For some artists, there is nothing scarier than a page with no words on it, or a canvas with no paint (or objects) on it. If you start with some rules about what you are allowed to put on the canvas, this can paradoxically enhance your creativity. It's about making choices. Before an artwork is started, that artwork could be anything. Somehow the artist has to start with something in particular (can't go in all directions at once !). Elements that help define the artwork may additive (you put a box that suggests another box...) or subtractive (you state a rule that filters out some possibilities, or you set some kind of goal). Well, that's how I see it... at this moment. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Piksel video report: Sonification of IT censorship technologies
On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Piksel team just released a full video of my recent presentation in Norway for Piksel 2010. The talk focused on the current state of IT censorship technologies and a related sonification work titled Golden Shield Music (http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/golden-shield-music/). Would a random selection of non-censorship IP addresses make the same patch sound recognisably different ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Piksel video report: Sonification of IT censorship technologies
Yes, although atm the score would keep the same time structure, notes would be and sound different. Should publish the patch when I'll have some time to fix few things. M On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:53 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Piksel team just released a full video of my recent presentation in Norway for Piksel 2010. The talk focused on the current state of IT censorship technologies and a related sonification work titled Golden Shield Music (http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/golden-shield-music/). Would a random selection of non-censorship IP addresses make the same patch sound recognisably different ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Piksel video report: Sonification of IT censorship technologies
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Yes, although atm the score would keep the same time structure, notes would be and sound different. But I mean, how can one distinguish between sets of censorship IP addresses and non-censorship IP addresses, by ear ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD OOP?
I've read a few good things about creativity. There's this one beautiful book I have on my shelf here. It's called The creative process, edited by Brewster Ghislen. It's a paperback that was 99p in a charity shop, published by Mentor. These kind of treasures are rare as pigs eggs. Get it if you see one. It's a collection of essays by Albert Einstein, Vincent van Gogh, Yasuo Kuniyoshi, Fredrich Nietzsche, Cal Jung, Mary Wigman, AE Housman, WB Yeats, Henry James, Henry Moore, Thomas Wolfe, DH Lawrence, Steven Spender Paul Valery, Samuel Coleridge, Max Ernst, Julian Levi, Christian Zervos, Harold Shapero, Roger Sessions, Henry Poincare, Rudyard Kipling, JH Preston, Dorothy Canfield, Katherine Anne Porter, Morton Prince, Herbert Spencer, RW Gerard. All kinds of weird and wonderful things are thrust into the discussion, issues like family and formative experience, faith, habitat and sleep, diet, motivation, social and cultural relationships... Emotions like joy, frustration, anger, love, and, as they reflect deeper structures of Selfhood, Angst, Kirkegaardian despair, Destiny. In spite of a relativist position the idea of a correct interpretation of creativity is destroyed. It would make the most hardened cognitive scientist take a step back and question deeply all they think they know. Turns out there are as many kinds of creativity as there are minds. That's what makes it creativity. a. On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 08:42:53 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Chris McCormick wrote: Ah, sorry for the confusion. I meant it to say that sometimes constraining yourself, as with following the rules for writing haiku, can help creativity. For some artists, there is nothing scarier than a page with no words on it, or a canvas with no paint (or objects) on it. If you start with some rules about what you are allowed to put on the canvas, this can paradoxically enhance your creativity. It's about making choices. Before an artwork is started, that artwork could be anything. Somehow the artist has to start with something in particular (can't go in all directions at once !). Elements that help define the artwork may additive (you put a box that suggests another box...) or subtractive (you state a rule that filters out some possibilities, or you set some kind of goal). Well, that's how I see it... at this moment. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Piksel video report: Sonification of IT censorship technologies
@Matju: I guess you can't. If the system would be based on a real time flows of IP censored and non-ones, I think it would make more sense to code something which could emphasize the difference. Perhaps this way it would be a different work. @Joao: Yes, indeed. I tried to create a simple straight-forward conversion of data into sound, without working at all on harmony, scales, etc. Also the design of the synths is nothing too complex on purpose. I wanted the work to focus mostly on the intervention itself and not on its outcome. Although I myself don't think that's a nice piece of music, I didn't expect that degree of musicality. M On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:36 PM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: funny, you said I don't want to make a nice music, but when I listened to the recording, I could only hear the nice music, and no IPs or chinese tentacles. On Fri, 17 Dec 2010, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Piksel team just released a full video of my recent presentation in Norway for Piksel 2010. The talk focused on the current state of IT censorship technologies and a related sonification work titled Golden Shield Music (http://marcodonnarumma.com/works/golden-shield-music/). Would a random selection of non-censorship IP addresses make the same patch sound recognisably different ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Piksel video report: Sonification of IT censorship technologies
Duh!? The censored ones will have the notes replaced with rests. On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 09:35:17 -0500 (EST) Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Yes, although atm the score would keep the same time structure, notes would be and sound different. But I mean, how can one distinguish between sets of censorship IP addresses and non-censorship IP addresses, by ear ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Piksel video report: Sonification of IT censorship technologies
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010, Marco Donnarumma wrote: @Matju: I guess you can't. If the system would be based on a real time flows of IP censored and non-ones, I think it would make more sense to code something which could emphasize the difference. Perhaps this way it would be a different work. Ok. Thus your music doesn't really have anything to do with censorship. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Building PD-x on OSX.5.8, macbookpro 4,1
ola, Mark Pasquesi wrote: HC, I've upgraded my 4,1 pro to 10.6.5. Have upgraded Fink and Macports. No success with building gem yet for the 64-bit PD-extended. If anyone has had luck, would be interested in how. However, Pidip and Gem work great with the new 32 PD-extended. Great work! The tatiana patch for Pidip has the ffmpeg streamer proposed. I will try linking that over the next few days, using the embedded linking, once I have holidays. yes maybe it's still there but it's totally outdated, as streaming with ffmpeg has been abandonned in pidip... it has been replaced by theora/vorbis ogg streaming to an icecast server using pdp_theonice~ [THEora ON ICEcast ]... so replace this in the patch. it works better, but with some strange behaviour in video/sound synchronisation with pd, it might still have some problems to transmit audio correctly ( depends on your drivers ). have fun! sevy ps : btw your message is almost 1Mb, please send only useful bits. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Open sound control in windows
Hi, this is strange because usually programs like blender,processing, max work with this protocol, we want to send from a hardware or software ?, if you send from hard enough that the output change to osc ... say what you want to connect and possibly send you the programming Best regards José 2010/12/20 Eldad Tsabary tazberry_d...@yahoo.ca: Hello all, Is there a way to send OSC messages from an external controller to PD in windows (since OSCulator only works on Mac OS)? GlovePIE is a nice alternative solution using midi messages, but the hierarchical arrangement of OSC messages is very useful. The only way I can think of is creating a PD subpatch that receives MIDI messages and translates them into OSC messages. Does anyone know of a better way (except getting a mac)? Thanks Eldad __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] timing
Hi list, This is my first post here asking you for help. I built for many years in NI Reaktor (and still do). For this reason I'm used to handle basically 2 signal types: Audio - always sample rate clocked Event - any(!) time, even between samples Now I need to get to know and used to the clock and trigger secrets in pd. I want to work efficiently of course but also to be sample accurate if needed. Beside having fun with the great freedom and logic of puredata, my aim is to be able to build hi quality audio stuff sooner or later... While building an audio scope (for e.g. debugging) I got stuck in searching sample exact message trigger. I wanna ask you for suggestions tips about my approach. Have a look into attached pd I prepared with comments here and there describing my thoughts and problems. There may be different ways to make audio scopes (I know there is one build-in but it only displayed useless coarse vector lines) but some questions I want to get answered anyhow: my basic questions: * is it possible to get/fire precise timed messages, e.g. Metro (at least) Samplerate accurate? * is it possible to get sample timed events/messages, e.g. threshold what is far to coarse! (see attached pd) * regarding changing block~ size: - my patch only accepts 64 - why? - why does the $0-audioscope show extreme high amplitude when block~ size is 64 ? - makes it sense at all changing block~ size in order to get better message timing? Or what is it for... manuals, links, mails or commented pd patches - anything is welcome. regards Dietrich ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [Pdmtl] Open sound control in windows
Hi Eldad, On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Eldad Tsabary tazberry_d...@yahoo.ca wrote: Does anyone know of a better way (except getting a mac)? What is the controller? Linux may be an option (0$ cost) but may involve jumping through hoops (depending on the hardware controller used). Run a custom setup off a USB key if you don't want to touch any Windows partitions. ./MiS ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [Pdmtl] Open sound control in windows
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Alexandre Quessy alexan...@quessy.net wrote: Well, you could write a Python script that uses python-pypm (portmidi bindings) and python-txosc. (OSC for Twisted) And if you want to avoid the Twisted dependency (and additional cruft?) you can go for pyOSC which is, AFAIK, a fairly thorought OSC implementation https://trac.v2.nl/wiki/pyOSC ./MiS ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] timing
On Tue, 21 Dec 2010, Dietrich Pank wrote: Audio - always sample rate clocked Event - any(!) time, even between samples Now I need to get to know and used to the clock and trigger secrets in pd. I want to work efficiently of course but also to be sample accurate if needed. There are three ways to get sample-accurate events : 1. carry the event as part of a signal at the same rate as the audio. between apps, this could mean, for example, that you'd use an extra channel in jack for those events. 2. carry the event as a message, then as the last step, convert it to a (sample-rate) signal for objects that can use that (for example, use a [vline~] plugged into [*~]'s right inlet) 3. with objects (or aspects of objects) that just don't support sample-rate changes, you can use [block~ 1] if you can't find any sample-rate equivalent. I made abstractions [lop2~] and [hip2~] as signal-rate versions of [lop~] and [hip~]. - my patch only accepts 64 - why? If you use FFT, your patch has to know the block size, as a [fft~]-[ifft~] pair is like [*~] by the block size. - why does the $0-audioscope show extreme high amplitude when block~ size is 64 ? Does it double amplitude when you halve the block size, or does it double amplitude when you quadruple the block size, or some other pattern ? (which ?) Does it do the opposite thing when you use bigger block sizes ? - makes it sense at all changing block~ size in order to get better message timing? Or what is it for... It's for several things : 1. decrease to get more resolution 2. increase to get more efficiency (of cpu) 3. change to control the [fft~] window size (which is not controllable by its own parameters, unlike [fiddle~]'s window size) 4. when converting between different sampling rates, change proportionally to sample rate, to avoid having to split/merge blocks (this rarely matters at all) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] problems with pdp_theonice~
I'm attempting to use pdp_theonice~ to stream theora video to an icecast server. I'm having trouble getting this working - it seems to connect ok as long as there is audio and video being sent to pdp_theonice~ but I can't view the stream with vlc or an embedded html5 player (which I've been able to do when streaming video from other sources to this same icecast server). oggcast~ works just fine. Does anyone have a simple patch that they know works for streaming theora video to icecast with pdp_theonice~? I've checked out the giss examples, but these are way more complicated than I need, and hard to debug. Also, they crash when I try to connect (probably because no audio or video is making it to pdp_theonice~, as my tests have shown that pd crashes when you try to connect without audio and video). I am on Ubuntu 10.04 with Pd-extended 0.42.5. Thanks! Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com p.s. alternately.. if there's another way of streaming theora without pdp_theonice~ (using 3rd party software or otherwise) I'd be interested to know this as well. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
