Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
Yep, he's been building this controller with Pd for a couple of years now. A great step up from using his Yamaha WX5 wind controller playing more or less mainstream stuff. Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] Im Auftrag von Hans-Christoph Steiner Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011 06:45 An: pd-list@iem.at Betreff: [PD] Pd performance at TED I just wanted this performance by Onyx Ashanti as part of the TED Talks stuff. Its quite a nice performance using live sensor control of Pd: http://www.ted.com/talks/onyx_ashanti_this_is_beatjazz.html It looks like you can even see Pd on the screen behind him. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-con 2011: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS /weimar carillon
hi moritz, lovely idea! i read this with great interest, as i happen to work on a piece for the tiergarten carillon + electronics in berlin right now. on the website about the carillon you mention the range of the instrument is almost 3 octaves (35 bells). but the lowest note is sounding rather an a (midi 57) instead of an A (midi 45). the soundrecording you provide, actually confirms this. carillons tend to be notated an octave lower, at least the berlin one is, and its lowest bell is g (midi 55), weighting several tons already. i thought i mention, just before someone wants to go all bassy... now i have to convert my max-patch for berlin to pd for weimar :-) cheers hans www.hans-w-koch.net Am 18.06.2011 um 23:28 schrieb pd-list-requ...@iem.at: Message: 3 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2011 15:48:56 +0200 From: Moritz Schell moritz.sch...@uni-weimar.de Subject: [PD] pd-con 2011: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS To: pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: a53d99dc-98f6-4f09-8485-600d25653...@uni-weimar.de Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed; delsp=yes Dear pd-community, you have the chance to rock the bells of weimar city hall! During the pd-convention from 8.8-14.8.2011 in weimar there will be the possibility for little evening concerts on the porcelain carillon in the tower of weimar cityhall. It is a great opportunity to present your compositions/generated music/etc. in public space on an ancient instrument. The city hall faces the market place - a touristic hotspot of weimar. - The concerts will take place every evening during 7p.m and 8p.m. - There will be 5 concerts - one for every evening. The pd-con team will select 5 pieces out of your submissions - The compositions should not take longer than 12 minutes so they'll fit in between the quarter-hour chime - The compositions can be reached in either as a MIDI-file or as a pure-data patch that outputs MIDI-notes (The carillon is MIDI- compatible) For more information visit this wiki-page: http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Porcelain_carillon There you'll also find a pure data sample player with the original sound of the bells - so you can test your artwork wherever you are Please send your suggestions/concepts/compositions until latest the END OF JULY to: moritz.sch...@uni-weimar.de looking forward to the results and to see you all in weimar, frederic, max and moritz Moritz Schell MKG, Master Matrikelnr. 100498 Trierer Stra?e 42 99423 Weimar 0170 - 851 08 87 moritz.sch...@uni-weimar.de moritzsch...@gmx.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
thanks for the link HC... it seems quite sad to me that the first performance with pd at ted has to be this. With all the respect due to Onyx, but using control sensor to play as a dj seems a technological parody. Besides, the whole system looks a bit clunky, doesn't it? It surprises me how, among all the beautiful and efficient project in this field (made in Pd and not), this got to TED. Well, of course the motivation of his performance there is not he's using Pd :) my 2 cents M I just wanted this performance by Onyx Ashanti as part of the TED Talks stuff. Its quite a nice performance using live sensor control of Pd: http://www.ted.com/talks/onyx_ashanti_this_is_beatjazz.html It looks like you can even see Pd on the screen behind him. .hc -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: it seems quite sad to me that the first performance with pd at ted has to be this. With all the respect due to Onyx, but using control sensor to play as a dj seems a technological parody. Besides, the whole system looks a bit clunky, doesn't it? Does it ? Do you care to explain yourself ? What's a « technological parody » ? And what's that thing you call a « dj » ? You use it in your own name thesaddj. What's your relationship with that word ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-con 2011: CALL FOR SUBMISSIONS
Hi Moritz, thanks for the announcement. I have two questions: - Is there a full polyphony resp. how many voices can be played simultaneously? - What's the minimum repetition time (shortest possible note) for a bell? thanks, Thomas Am 18.06.2011 um 15:48 schrieb Moritz Schell: Dear pd-community, you have the chance to rock the bells of weimar city hall! During the pd-convention from 8.8-14.8.2011 in weimar there will be the possibility for little evening concerts on the porcelain carillon in the tower of weimar cityhall. It is a great opportunity to present your compositions/generated music/etc. in public space on an ancient instrument. The city hall faces the market place - a touristic hotspot of weimar. - The concerts will take place every evening during 7p.m and 8p.m. - There will be 5 concerts - one for every evening. The pd-con team will select 5 pieces out of your submissions - The compositions should not take longer than 12 minutes so they'll fit in between the quarter-hour chime - The compositions can be reached in either as a MIDI-file or as a pure-data patch that outputs MIDI-notes (The carillon is MIDI-compatible) For more information visit this wiki-page: http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/PDCON:Porcelain_carillon There you'll also find a pure data sample player with the original sound of the bells - so you can test your artwork wherever you are Please send your suggestions/concepts/compositions until latest the END OF JULY to: moritz.sch...@uni-weimar.de looking forward to the results and to see you all in weimar, frederic, max and moritz Moritz Schell MKG, Master Matrikelnr. 100498 Trierer Straße 42 99423 Weimar 0170 - 851 08 87 moritz.sch...@uni-weimar.de moritzsch...@gmx.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Thomas Grill http://g.org +43 699 19715543 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [GEM-dev] Gemwin help patch
thx for your comments: Le 19/06/11 17:51, Jack a écrit : In the fullscreen subpatch, use [gemkeyname] instead [keyname] (or use both). i have added it but escape doesn't work here (osx 10.6) Maybe, add a [create, 1( and [0, destroy( in the more viewing, more lighting and more window properties subpatch. added in the more window properties subpatch Save the patch with all subpatch windows closed (here the FSAA subpatch open itself with the patch). ++ Jack right, corrected version attached, n -- http://nim.on.free.fr gemwin-help.pd Description: application/extension-pd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
--- On Sun, 6/19/11, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED To: Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 3:50 PM On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: it seems quite sad to me that the first performance with pd at ted has to be this. With all the respect due to Onyx, but using control sensor to play as a dj seems a technological parody. Besides, the whole system looks a bit clunky, doesn't it? Does it ? Do you care to explain yourself ? What's a « technological parody » ? It's where you take something like a modern digital computer and do DSP by using an interface modeled after 30 year-old analog audio equipment. Merely asserting this doesn't imply a value judgment, however. I'd need to say more to do that: e.g., clear lines to show data flow = good, tangled mess of wires = bad (for both analog synths and Pd) -Jonathan And what's that thing you call a « dj » ? You use it in your own name thesaddj. What's your relationship with that word ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: it seems quite sad to me that the first performance with pd at ted has to be this. With all the respect due to Onyx, but using control sensor to play as a dj seems a technological parody. Besides, the whole system looks a bit clunky, doesn't it? Does it ? Do you care to explain yourself ? What's a « technological parody » ? And what's that thing you call a « dj » ? You use it in your own name thesaddj. What's your relationship with that word ? I think the key is not what it looks like, but what he does with it. He's making music with it (no ifs, ands, or buts), he clearly has musical skill with his instrument, and is able to keep the musical timing tight. These are all difficult things to do, and from what I've seen 95% of performance with new interfaces for musical expression does not achieve one of those goals solidly. .hc Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [GEM-dev] Gemwin help patch
Hello Nico, In the fullscreen subpatch, use [gemkeyname] instead [keyname] (or use both). Maybe, add a [create, 1( and [0, destroy( in the more viewing, more lighting and more window properties subpatch. Save the patch with all subpatch windows closed (here the FSAA subpatch open itself with the patch). ++ Jack Le dimanche 19 juin 2011 à 17:05 +0200, Nicolas Montgermont a écrit : Hello all, I've seen the same gemwin help patch for many years, and i think it needed an update so i've worked on the version attached. My main concerns when designing it were: - fit to the gem help patch template - remove automatically sended parameters, as for example lighting 1. That was very confusing for beginners: they create the gemwin object, open the help patch, close it and then they can see nothing in their window cause they have no light but lighting activated. - explicit if the message must be send before or after the creation of the gemwin. - use only one gemwin object - limit the number of hidden geos I submit it to the community for critics, what is missing, what should be changed, updated? I have not change much of the text, maybe it needs also some editing. I have drawn a moving object cause i think it can be useful for FSAA demo or frame rate. Many of the design was in discussion with cyrille. I hope that will be useful, Nicolas ___ GEM-dev mailing list gem-...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/gem-dev signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
I absolutely agree with you, Hans! Onyx is doing great live playing with traditional rhythms and phrasings using his own custom built wind controller and Pd. I'm not sure what would classify music with no rhythmical elements and scales and chords as being more artistic? Ingo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] Im Auftrag von Hans-Christoph Steiner Gesendet: Sonntag, 19. Juni 2011 17:32 An: Mathieu Bouchard Cc: pd-list@iem.at; Marco Donnarumma Betreff: Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED On Jun 19, 2011, at 9:50 AM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 19 Jun 2011, Marco Donnarumma wrote: it seems quite sad to me that the first performance with pd at ted has to be this. With all the respect due to Onyx, but using control sensor to play as a dj seems a technological parody. Besides, the whole system looks a bit clunky, doesn't it? Does it ? Do you care to explain yourself ? What's a « technological parody » ? And what's that thing you call a « dj » ? You use it in your own name thesaddj. What's your relationship with that word ? I think the key is not what it looks like, but what he does with it. He's making music with it (no ifs, ands, or buts), he clearly has musical skill with his instrument, and is able to keep the musical timing tight. These are all difficult things to do, and from what I've seen 95% of performance with new interfaces for musical expression does not achieve one of those goals solidly. .hc Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Gemwin help patch
Hello all, I've seen the same gemwin help patch for many years, and i think it needed an update so i've worked on the version attached. My main concerns when designing it were: - fit to the gem help patch template - remove automatically sended parameters, as for example lighting 1. That was very confusing for beginners: they create the gemwin object, open the help patch, close it and then they can see nothing in their window cause they have no light but lighting activated. - explicit if the message must be send before or after the creation of the gemwin. - use only one gemwin object - limit the number of hidden geos I submit it to the community for critics, what is missing, what should be changed, updated? I have not change much of the text, maybe it needs also some editing. I have drawn a moving object cause i think it can be useful for FSAA demo or frame rate. Many of the design was in discussion with cyrille. I hope that will be useful, Nicolas -- http://nim.on.free.fr gemwin-help.pd Description: application/extension-pd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] numeric order
hi everybody, i have textfile like 1 this; 4 my; 3 is; 10 file; and i would like to put it into numerical order, so that the final result is 1 this; 3 is; 4 my; 10 list; the only possibility i found was a recursive use of minmax, but i have huge lists and then it is very cpu-expensive. is there any object for numerical ordering or something shorter than using minmax? thanks for hints. best mirko -- NEU: FreePhone - kostenlos mobil telefonieren! Jetzt informieren: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/freephone ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] numeric order - pool?
hi list, i found the pool object, which presumably can put a textfile into numeric order, but i don't find the way. can anybody help? (in my mailing before, i meant 10 file) best mirko -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] numeric order - pool?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/19/2011 07:42 PM, Mirko Maier wrote: hi list, i found the pool object, which presumably can put a textfile into numeric order, but i don't find the way. can anybody help? if you don't care for vanillaness, then you could use zexy's [fifop] (a fifo with priorities), and use your numeric ID as priority. msdft IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3+SJEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvT8YQCeNu08hTdz89cVUkFZSD5k6uM8 TOIAnjHy6hU+cAZjYD3AWbyjfkGJUyAM =/UKG -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd crashed
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/18/2011 06:57 PM, Funs Seelen wrote: I also had this problem lately on Linux (when using dsp in some patches), vanilla version 0.43-0, and after going back to 0.42-5 the problem remained. After removing libraries to load one at a time I figured out that not loading zexy anymore solved the problem for me, although that is not the prettiest solution. i would highly appreciate if people would report such bugs [1], rather than mentioning them casually in a sidenote. zexy has not seen a lot of attention in the last few years (at least not on a fundamental level), so i cannot possibly think of something on th zexy side that would lead to such a catastrophic failure. probably the problem is related to some compilation options. i'm using zexy quite a lot (though not so much as i used to), and i cannot remember anything like this. anyhow, the nice way to find out and fix the issue is a proper bug-report, including a description how to trigger the bug (ala start Pd, load zexy, load no patch, start DSP, crash), and even better would be to provide a backtrace of the crash. ghsmdt IOhannes [1] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=55736atid=478070 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3+THoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRZhACeJXHJbvDF6G32pyt2FAyoZMOX EP8AoMzpfolEbVWyLnNvo/9wEAYxfUEr =F0cQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] numeric order - pool?
thank you, works perfect with lifop -- Empfehlen Sie GMX DSL Ihren Freunden und Bekannten und wir belohnen Sie mit bis zu 50,- Euro! https://freundschaftswerbung.gmx.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd performance at TED
glad the provocation went through. Does it ? yes, in my honest and humble 2 cents. That's why I asked for opinions. There are gestural frameworks out there which are far better implemented (talking about the look since Mathieu answered). Thus, I was just wondering that I would have appreciated TED to show some of them instead of this with cables everywhere and boxes hanging around. Do you care to explain yourself ? did it above. What's a « technological parody » ? I mean when hi-profile tech is used to implement an approach or a concept that doesn't really require such amount of technology. And what's that thing you call a « dj » ? You use it in your own name thesaddj. What's your relationship with that word ? auhauha, mathieu you're a careful observer. thesaddj is a name which i bring around since i'm a teenager... now is only the name of my blog, no excuse for that :) A dj? there are many nuances, but I mentioned that as the text in Onyx's video read: so that beatjazzers become as common as djs. Do you really need cables everywhere, sensors, a mouthpiece with two guitar pickups, a smartphone stick to your forearm, etc.. to achieve such goal? Wait a moment. I'm not saying his work is bad or anything. I made safe my respect for his work at the beginning. I'm just saying, guys it's TED and when I heard gestural and sensor control I expected another kind of work, underpinned by another kind of aesthetic, approach, and motivation. But, I probably overestimated which is the value and motivation of new technologies which need to be shown to the mainstream public. ...he clearly has musical skill with his instrument, and is able to keep the musical timing tight. These are all difficult things to do, and from what I've seen 95% of performance with new interfaces for musical expression does not achieve one of those goals solidly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxnFbU6-_eUfeature=player_embedded#at=51 that was in 2008 by Eboman, using not only real time audio looping, but also video looping and processing, plus remix of a website online. Hans, Onyx is playing mostly loops isn't he? How you know about the timing? We don't even know how much of what he's doing is really live, what is he triggering, if timing is controlled by a timeline or by his performance. Please, correct me if I'm wrong. But I saw a lot of loops playing on a timeline and some solos parts possibly produced through the mouthpiece. I'm not talking about the quality of the performance which is obviously good, reliable and enjoyable. I'm pointing at the real value of the innovation since it's a TED episode. M __**__** ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- Marco Donnarumma Independent New Media and Sonic Arts Professional, Performer, Instructor ACE, Sound Design MSc by Research (ongoing) The University of Edinburgh, UK ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Lab: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net Event: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Problem with 'invalid enumerant' with only gemwin
hi,
i have got the same problem since i compiled the last Gem : 0.93.SVN
rev4063, Pd 0.43.1test2, ubuntu 10.04, video card :ATI Mobility FireGL
V5700.
So it is a bit difficult to use the post window to debug.
delphine
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote:
Le mardi 24 mai 2011 à 19:04 +0200, cyrille henry a écrit :
Le 24/05/2011 18:31, Jack a écrit :
Hello,
I have installed GEM 0.93.SVN rev3949 with Pd 0.42.5. on Ubuntu 10.04.
I get 'GL : invalid enumerant' when i use only [gemwin] with [create,
1(. I am working with ATI Radeon HD 5770.
Do you know what does it mean ?
it mean that ati driver on linux are still a bit crappy!!! ;-)
gem try to set an opengl configuration that the driver don't understand.
i did not find where exactly did this comes from. but things mostly works.
(except hard crash when destroying the opengl windows).
In fact, i have no problem, apart this message ('GL : invalid
enumerant') being repeated every frame.
++
Jack
c
Thanx.
++
Jack
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Re: [PD] pd crashed
2011/6/19 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at i would highly appreciate if people would report such bugs [1], rather than mentioning them casually in a sidenote. I'm sorry for not following the proper procedure. Although I'm using Pd a lot I wasn't familiar with this bug tracker. Now I am and reported this bug I found out was caused by zexy's [abs~]. Thanks for your advice! Funs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd crashed
--- On Sun, 6/19/11, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: From: IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] pd crashed To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Sunday, June 19, 2011, 9:22 PM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 06/18/2011 06:57 PM, Funs Seelen wrote: I also had this problem lately on Linux (when using dsp in some patches), vanilla version 0.43-0, and after going back to 0.42-5 the problem remained. After removing libraries to load one at a time I figured out that not loading zexy anymore solved the problem for me, although that is not the prettiest solution. i would highly appreciate if people would report such bugs [1], rather than mentioning them casually in a sidenote. zexy has not seen a lot of attention in the last few years (at least not on a fundamental level), so i cannot possibly think of something on th zexy side that would lead to such a catastrophic failure. probably the problem is related to some compilation options. i'm using zexy quite a lot (though not so much as i used to), and i cannot remember anything like this. anyhow, the nice way to find out and fix the issue is a proper bug-report, including a description how to trigger the bug (ala start Pd, load zexy, load no patch, start DSP, crash), and even better would be to provide a backtrace of the crash. Under the heading Add Artifact please add that a backtrace would be useful to include in a bug report[1] (rather than mentioning it casually in a sidenote). -Jonathan ghsmdt IOhannes [1] http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=55736atid=478070 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3+THoACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRZhACeJXHJbvDF6G32pyt2FAyoZMOX EP8AoMzpfolEbVWyLnNvo/9wEAYxfUEr =F0cQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
