[PD] editing pd silence
Hello, maybe this is a bit out of topic: Im using the object writesf~ to record silence , the problem i have is when i open the .wav file in a sound editor as audacity and i edit the silence. When i export my silence it adds a hiss noise, its almost unperceptible, only you can listen to it when you boost up the volumen very much, but its there. I was wondering how can i edit a pd silence without that hiss? Is there a specific software for this? Or maybe this hiss is something specific to 16 bit .wavs? thanks Sas. -- saskia diez saskia_d...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
what do you mean 'record silence' ?? do you have an adc~ connected or something? if not, then why bother with [writesf~] ? just make an empty table and save the table's contents with a write message to [soundfiler]. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM, saskia diez saskia_d...@fastmail.fmwrote: Hello, maybe this is a bit out of topic: Im using the object writesf~ to record silence , the problem i have is when i open the .wav file in a sound editor as audacity and i edit the silence. When i export my silence it adds a hiss noise, its almost unperceptible, only you can listen to it when you boost up the volumen very much, but its there. I was wondering how can i edit a pd silence without that hiss? Is there a specific software for this? Or maybe this hiss is something specific to 16 bit .wavs? thanks Sas. -- saskia diez saskia_d...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gridflow + quicktime + windows
ok, I'll try another video format, it would be nice to have this libquicktime support to the windows build... ++ 2011/10/21 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Le 2011-10-21 à 13:10:00, stéfan piat a écrit : I try to load a Quicktime movie into [#in] and I got the following error message error: [gf/io_generate 2767 in]: unknown suffix 'mov' I don't know what this mean? It means that GridFlow's file manager could not find a handler for .mov files. This probably means that you don't have one. Libquicktime support has not been added to the Windows build, and I don't remember why, but maybe it's just that I haven't tried (I only boot windows to make gridflow-for-windows). __**__** __ | Mathieu BOUCHARD - téléphone : +1.514.383.3801 - Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
With silence i mean no sound , Im using writesf~ because im my patch also generates sound , its not just silence. The compositions im working on are 90 % silence and the rest subtle sounds. -- saskia diez [1]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm On Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:19 PM, i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: what do you mean 'record silence' ?? do you have an adc~ connected or something? if not, then why bother with [writesf~] ? just make an empty table and save the table's contents with a write message to [soundfiler]. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM, saskia diez [2]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello, maybe this is a bit out of topic: Im using the object writesf~ to record silence , the problem i have is when i open the .wav file in a sound editor as audacity and i edit the silence. When i export my silence it adds a hiss noise, its almost unperceptible, only you can listen to it when you boost up the volumen very much, but its there. I was wondering how can i edit a pd silence without that hiss? Is there a specific software for this? Or maybe this hiss is something specific to 16 bit .wavs? thanks Sas. -- saskia diez [3]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm -- [4]http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow ___ [5]Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - [6]http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list References 1. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 2. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 3. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 4. http://www.fastmail.fm/ 5. mailto:Pd-list@iem.at 6. http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
On 22/10/11 19:57, saskia diez wrote: With silence i mean no sound , Im using writesf~ because im my patch also generates sound , its not just silence. The compositions im working on are 90 % silence and the rest subtle sounds. as the previous post said - silence == zero, so a table of zeros is a way to create silence. If you are recording from [adc~] there will be a little noise. Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] 3d plot : z values in an x-y matrix
Hello, Ive been looking for a while and still do not find the object - that must be existing - to make a mesh-like 3d curve, similar to the one that can be obtained with gem's curve3d, but from data in the form of z values in an x-y matrix. If the object that processes the matrix does not exist, I could fix one with an object that plots a single array in 3d space, translating by hand curves to obtain a 3D mesh. Do one or the other object exist ? Thanks JM ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
2011/10/22 saskia diez saskia_d...@fastmail.fm With silence i mean no sound , Im using writesf~ because im my patch also generates sound , its not just silence. The compositions im working on are 90 % silence and the rest subtle sounds. Do the silent areas in your soundfile *look* like silence? are all the samples 0? Also, if you say subtle sounds, I suppose those are at a rather low volume. I would suggest to make them as loud as possible (so that the loudest of them is normalized to maximum amplitude (1)) and lower the volume in the end stage (the amplifier you play it back on). In other words, optimize the signal-to-noise ratio. Tim -- saskia diez saskia_d...@fastmail.fm On Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:19 PM, i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: what do you mean 'record silence' ?? do you have an adc~ connected or something? if not, then why bother with [writesf~] ? just make an empty table and save the table's contents with a write message to [soundfiler]. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM, saskia diez saskia_d...@fastmail.fmwrote: Hello, maybe this is a bit out of topic: Im using the object writesf~ to record silence , the problem i have is when i open the .wav file in a sound editor as audacity and i edit the silence. When i export my silence it adds a hiss noise, its almost unperceptible, only you can listen to it when you boost up the volumen very much, but its there. I was wondering how can i edit a pd silence without that hiss? Is there a specific software for this? Or maybe this hiss is something specific to 16 bit .wavs? thanks Sas. -- saskia diez saskia_d...@fastmail.fm -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] 3d plot : z values in an x-y matrix
Hello JM, i'm not sure to understand exactly qhat you need. but you can use a matrx object to store date (from iem_matrix). then 2 loop can read data and send them to the curve3d object... (X Y Position of the curve3d can be the X Y position in the matrix). cyrille Le 22/10/2011 14:14, Jean-Marie Adrien a écrit : Hello, Ive been looking for a while and still do not find the object - that must be existing - to make a mesh-like 3d curve, similar to the one that can be obtained with gem's curve3d, but from data in the form of z values in an x-y matrix. If the object that processes the matrix does not exist, I could fix one with an object that plots a single array in 3d space, translating by hand curves to obtain a 3D mesh. Do one or the other object exist ? Thanks JM ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] New album
Hello Pd community, I'd like to take the opportunity to share a link to my new album. All sounds were created and executed in Pd, as well as RTcmix. It's free, ready for download and hopefully your listening pleasure! Please enjoy! http://www.petcord.com/releases/pc2011-15-jerod-sommerfeldt-pareidolia/ My best, Jerod -- www.jerodsommerfeldt.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
im not using adc~ , if i create an empty sound file (silence) with writesf~ and then if i listen to that file i listen silence, i dont listen anything, but if i open that file in a sound editor and then i save again as wav, it adds a hiss , a very subtle hiss, you need to boost up volumen to be able to listen it. I just discover this since i bought a nice speakers, before i havent realize that sound editors add that hiss. Why is that? is it possible to avoid that? cheers -- saskia diez [1]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm On Saturday, October 22, 2011 2:12 PM, tim vets timv...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/10/22 saskia diez [2]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm With silence i mean no sound , Im using writesf~ because im my patch also generates sound , its not just silence. The compositions im working on are 90 % silence and the rest subtle sounds. Do the silent areas in your soundfile *look* like silence? are all the samples 0? Also, if you say subtle sounds, I suppose those are at a rather low volume. I would suggest to make them as loud as possible (so that the loudest of them is normalized to maximum amplitude (1)) and lower the volume in the end stage (the amplifier you play it back on). In other words, optimize the signal-to-noise ratio. Tim -- saskia diez [3]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm On Saturday, October 22, 2011 8:19 PM, i go bananas [4]hard@gmail.com wrote: what do you mean 'record silence' ?? do you have an adc~ connected or something? if not, then why bother with [writesf~] ? just make an empty table and save the table's contents with a write message to [soundfiler]. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 7:53 PM, saskia diez [5]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hello, maybe this is a bit out of topic: Im using the object writesf~ to record silence , the problem i have is when i open the .wav file in a sound editor as audacity and i edit the silence. When i export my silence it adds a hiss noise, its almost unperceptible, only you can listen to it when you boost up the volumen very much, but its there. I was wondering how can i edit a pd silence without that hiss? Is there a specific software for this? Or maybe this hiss is something specific to 16 bit .wavs? thanks Sas. -- saskia diez [6]saskia_d...@fastmail.fm -- [7]http://www.fastmail.fm - Faster than the air-speed velocity of an unladen european swallow ___ [8]Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - [9]http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- [10]http://www.fastmail.fm - Accessible with your email software or over the web ___ [11]Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - [12]http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list References 1. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 2. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 3. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 4. mailto:hard@gmail.com 5. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 6. mailto:saskia_d...@fastmail.fm 7. http://www.fastmail.fm/ 8. mailto:Pd-list@iem.at 9. http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 10. http://www.fastmail.fm/ 11. mailto:Pd-list@iem.at 12. http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access all of your messages and folders wherever you are ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] New album
sounds fantastic. has a much more 'compositional' sense than stuff i usually hear. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Jerod Sommerfeldt sommerfeldt.je...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Pd community, I'd like to take the opportunity to share a link to my new album. All sounds were created and executed in Pd, as well as RTcmix. It's free, ready for download and hopefully your listening pleasure! Please enjoy! http://www.petcord.com/releases/pc2011-15-jerod-sommerfeldt-pareidolia/ My best, Jerod -- www.jerodsommerfeldt.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
On 10/22/2011 02:39 PM, saskia diez wrote: I just discover this since i bought a nice speakers, before i havent realize that sound editors add that hiss. i could hardly believe that, but you are right! i have just created a file with writesf~, ensured that it contained only zeros (hexeditor), loaded it in audacity, exported as 16bit wav, and after normalizing, there was a lot of noise. Why is that? is it possible to avoid that? dithering maybe? i have checked with another editor (mhwaveedit), and it did not add noise. so using another editor would be a solution. or saving in another format than 16bit wav (other uncompressed format in audacity), you would need another program to convert the file for buring on cd (or whatever) though. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
Hi, I think you are talking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_shaping Cheers Pierre-Olivier On 22/10/2011 15:29, martin brinkmann wrote: On 10/22/2011 02:39 PM, saskia diez wrote: I just discover this since i bought a nice speakers, before i havent realize that sound editors add that hiss. i could hardly believe that, but you are right! i have just created a file with writesf~, ensured that it contained only zeros (hexeditor), loaded it in audacity, exported as 16bit wav, and after normalizing, there was a lot of noise. Why is that? is it possible to avoid that? dithering maybe? i have checked with another editor (mhwaveedit), and it did not add noise. so using another editor would be a solution. or saving in another format than 16bit wav (other uncompressed format in audacity), you would need another program to convert the file for buring on cd (or whatever) though. bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] drag n' drop OSX tkdnd ect .... + Gem on 10.5 extended autobuilds
hey hans, just tried drag n' drop plug on windows. too bad we dont use windows here. just checking status of tkdnd-plugin.tcl on OSX. also did i miss something? Gem builds not on 10.5 extended autobuilds? just noticed. cheers m ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
On 10/22/2011 03:49 PM, Pierre-Olivier Boulant wrote: I think you are talking about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dither http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noise_shaping yes, and it is possible to disable this in audacity (edit/preferences/quality setting dither to none) bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] drag n' drop OSX tkdnd ect .... + Gem on 10.5 extended autobuilds
On Oct 22, 2011, at 11:47 AM, m.e.grimm wrote: hey hans, just tried drag n' drop plug on windows. too bad we dont use windows here. just checking status of tkdnd-plugin.tcl on OSX. Funny enough, drag-n-drop was easiest to implement on Windows. For Mac OS X, it requires Tk/Cocoa, which Pd-extended doesn't fully support yet. That is the future, so that would be a great project for someone to take on. Basically, if you build Pd vanilla or Pd-extended on Mac OS X Snow Leopard or Lion withOUT installing Tcl/Tk, you'll be using Tk/Cocoa. Then you can find the bugs, report them, and even fix them :) If someone did a survey of how many bugs there are, and finds that there aren't many, I could be convinced to make Pd-extended 0.43 use Tk/Cocoa. My time for working on this Pd-extended release is quickly running out. also did i miss something? Gem builds not on 10.5 extended autobuilds? just noticed. Gem will be included, I'm just waiting to hear from IOhannes on his plans for Gem development. It wasn't building on Mac OS X 10.5, that's why I removed it. .hc News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] New album
good stuff 3 On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:10 PM, i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: sounds fantastic. has a much more 'compositional' sense than stuff i usually hear. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Jerod Sommerfeldt sommerfeldt.je...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Pd community, I'd like to take the opportunity to share a link to my new album. All sounds were created and executed in Pd, as well as RTcmix. It's free, ready for download and hopefully your listening pleasure! Please enjoy! http://www.petcord.com/releases/pc2011-15-jerod-sommerfeldt-pareidolia/ My best, Jerod -- www.jerodsommerfeldt.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing pd silence
Surely you could take your file when its finished and just use a gate to remove any unwanted noise? Forgive me if there's an obvious problem with this idea or i've misunderstood the question but that's the first thing that popped into my head. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Threaded console output
Hans and all, There was recently a mention of threaded output in pd-extended 0.43 which prevents the console from overwhelming the main thread. Has this been implemented and if so, in which file is this implementation located? Any help on this one is most appreciated! Best wishes, Ico ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] New album
- Mail original - De: i go bananas hard@gmail.com sounds fantastic. has a much more 'compositional' sense than stuff i usually hear. yes, very good! Thank you, Jerod, for sharing. On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, Jerod Sommerfeldt sommerfeldt.je...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Pd community, I'd like to take the opportunity to share a link to my new album. All sounds were created and executed in Pd, as well as RTcmix. It's free, ready for download and hopefully your listening pleasure! Please enjoy! http://www.petcord.com/releases/pc2011-15-jerod-sommerfeldt-pareidolia/ My best, Jerod -- www.jerodsommerfeldt.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD Patch Challenge Theme Ideas
Well I made a wiki under my user folder: http://puredata.info/Members/iskra/patchchallenge/PDPatchChallenge/. I was unable to make a wiki under any other heading (I assume Community Patching Circles is an accurate place for it). Revisions are welcome. Tyler On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 3:28 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Any account should be able to create wiki pages on puredata.info. Otherwise its a bug. .hc On Oct 21, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Tyler Leavitt wrote: It'll still be on the forums. I figured once we get some ideas in it'll be easier to see what everybody is thinking this will turn into (as far as the content of the challenges goes). Then we can write up a blurb to put as a sticky in the forums and post the first challenge at the same time. Who is allowed to setup sub-threads and create wikis on these domains? On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 10:15 AM, i go bananas hard@gmail.com wrote: that's why i suggested making a section on the forum, so the details and previous threads are all in once place and easily searchable. are we still going to do that? On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:04 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: On Oct 21, 2011, at 12:54 PM, Tyler Leavitt wrote: Hello all, So I've created an e-mail account for everyone to send theme ideas to: patchchallen...@gmail.com. Anyone that wants the username/password to the account can PM me for it. So the rules are loose at this point (especially since we haven't made any =). Until I can get a working version of a bot to do this we can just do this manually. Once we get a variety of options in the account I'll randomly pick one and post it for the first challenge. Please format the submissions with a title and a description of the challenge. Comments/concerns? Excellent, looking forward to these! How about making a wiki page for the instructions and details? Its easier to reference a webpage than look in the email archive. The wiki page could also reference the relevant threads in the archive. .hc Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
