Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread katja
2012/4/9 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at: A non-decimal ASCII format instead, would make existing patches unreadable. right; i think this is also the reason why Pd doesn't do any binary storage/transmission: it makes debugging so easy if you can actually understand what is going on

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Krzysztof Czaja
hi IOhannes, Katja, On 04/10/2012 10:33 AM, katja wrote: 2012/4/9 IOhannes m zmölnigzmoel...@iem.at: A non-decimal ASCII format instead, would make existing patches unreadable. ... for the record: Max abandoned binary patch storage format quite some time ago. They tend to use JSON now for

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread katja
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Krzysztof Czaja cz...@chopin.edu.pl wrote: for the record: Max abandoned binary patch storage format quite some time ago.  They tend to use JSON now for pretty much everything, and it works well. Declarative format is more flexible and easier to extend than

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread IOhannes m zmölnig
On 04/10/12 10:33, katja wrote: I mean to say that switching to any format other than decimal ASCII would make it impossible for Pd to interpret patch files using the current format. why? Large tables are mostly stored in an audio format, rather than text. i was talking about pd/pd-gui

Re: [PD] Virtual Mixer for Telematic Music

2012-04-10 Thread Michal Seta
Hi Rishabh, On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Rishabh Natarajan rishabh.natara...@gmail.com wrote: Error message: Invalid number of channels This is actually a (almost) very informative error message. You want pd use more channels than are physically or virtually available on your system. You

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread katja
2012/4/10 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at: On 04/10/12 10:33, katja wrote: i was talking about pd/pd-gui communication (and keep the number format for both saving and pd/gui communication the same). when displaying/updating a table every single number is converted to text using printf,

[PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Patrice Colet
Hello, I've downloaded a zip at this url: https://github.com/reduzent/pduino to get arduino patches for the 0.43.1-extended-20111221* release I've got installed in my vista box. When I'm launching an help patch I've got this error message in console: maximum object loading depth 1000

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 10, 2012, at 1:06 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 04/09/12 23:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It understands the global sample rate, but not yet the sample rate set with [block~]. while i haven't looked at the object yet (though it sounds very useful), i would like to

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-10 Thread Cyrille Henry
Le 10/04/2012 16:05, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Apr 10, 2012, at 1:06 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 04/09/12 23:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It understands the global sample rate, but not yet the sample rate set with [block~]. while i haven't looked at the object yet

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, I've downloaded a zip at this url: https://github.com/reduzent/pduino to get arduino patches for the 0.43.1-extended-20111221* release I've got installed in my vista box. When I'm launching an help patch I've got this error

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 8:32 AM Subject: Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc) On 04/10/12 10:33, katja wrote: I mean to say that switching to any

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 10, 2012, at 10:14 AM, Cyrille Henry wrote: Le 10/04/2012 16:05, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Apr 10, 2012, at 1:06 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 04/09/12 23:59, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It understands the global sample rate, but not yet the sample rate set

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-10 Thread Cyrille Henry
Le 10/04/2012 17:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Then it would need to include a version of [biquad~] that had 5 signal inlets for the 5 coefficients at signal rate. yes, that would be very nice. i somehow regret that my bq~ object is not compatible with vanilla biquad~. C .hc

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Cyrille Henry wrote: Le 10/04/2012 17:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Then it would need to include a version of [biquad~] that had 5 signal inlets for the 5 coefficients at signal rate. yes, that would be very nice. i somehow regret that my bq~

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 15:54 +0200, Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, I've downloaded a zip at this url: https://github.com/reduzent/pduino to get arduino patches for the 0.43.1-extended-20111221* release I've got installed in my vista box. When I'm launching an help patch I've got this

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Patrice Colet
Colet Patrice - Mail original - De: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at FYI, that version of Pduino is a development version. If you want the current stable release, then use this release: http://puredata.info/downloads/pduino Yes, very interesting, I have all digital

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-10 Thread Cyrille Henry
Le 10/04/2012 17:14, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Cyrille Henry wrote: Le 10/04/2012 17:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Then it would need to include a version of [biquad~] that had 5 signal inlets for the 5 coefficients at signal rate. yes,

Re: [PD] Virtual Mixer for Telematic Music

2012-04-10 Thread Rishabh Natarajan
Hi Michael, Iain explained to me that I do not need multiple interfaces to route output to multiple locations. Indeed I am using Jack and have managed to route audio and switch audio between 2 sources. Now I'm trying to figure out how to keep the audio running from one channel, while I mix

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Patrice Colet
to 20120410, also tried to create [arduino] object in a naked patch, same result. hope it helps - Mail original - De: Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com À: pd-list@iem.at Envoyé: Mardi 10 Avril 2012 17:16:36 Objet: Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 15:54 +0200, Patrice

[PD] That old -nogui/nosound problem on Linux ...

2012-04-10 Thread Chrissie Caulfield
Hi all, I've been scouring the lists for a solution to this but none of them seem to work for me. Almost all non-trivial patches produce no sound with the -nogui flag, even with the delayed startup or the workaround_loader.pd that was posted here some time ago. I know very little about the

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: katja katjavet...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:45 AM Subject: Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc) 2012/4/10 IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at:   On 04/10/12 10:33, katja wrote:   i

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread katja
Thanks for your tips, Jonathan. Anyway, while you were writing the mail I was already doing a test patch where update times of a 32 million samples array and table are tested, see attached. I ran the test with Pd-extended 0.43.1 and Pd-double on OSX. For an array with that length, update takes ~3

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I've added arduino folder to path in preferences and started pd by double-clicking on the C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\arduino\arduino-help.pd In the doubt I've updated pdx to 20120410, also tried to create [arduino] object in a naked patch, same result. hope it helps - Mail

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Miller Puckette
Hi all - It's a wierd thing abut TK that drawing polygons is far more efficient than drawing arrays of points; polygons are primitive objects that are apparently optimized internally to TK whereas arrays of points have to be drawn one by one (TK thinks they're each a separate object). cheers

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Makes sense to me. Each individual point can have its own coords, fill, color, tags, etc. while a polygon just has one set of all those for the whole thing. This whole discussion makes me think that arrays should be available to the GUI via shared memory. Then the 'pd' side can freely update

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] new GUI obect: filterview, for generating and seeing biquad coefficients

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:43 AM, Cyrille Henry wrote: Le 10/04/2012 17:14, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:08 AM, Cyrille Henry wrote: Le 10/04/2012 17:03, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : Then it would need to include a version of [biquad~] that had 5

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Patrice Colet
: C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\arduino I've added arduino folder to path in preferences and started pd by double-clicking on the C:\Program Files (x86)\pd\extra\arduino\arduino-help.pd In the doubt I've updated pdx to 20120410, also tried to create [arduino] object in a naked

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc) Makes sense to me.  Each individual point can

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Yes, you'd have to iterate. I'm sure there are algorithms for this kind of thing that are better, like in programs like Audacity. Those would be the ones to use. .hc (by the way, bottom-posting on a top-posted thread is bad form, IMHO. Whether you hate either top or bottom posting, I

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 10:17 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, I've downloaded a zip at this url: https://github.com/reduzent/pduino to get arduino patches for the 0.43.1-extended-20111221* release I've got installed

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 13:31 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I see what you are doing now. Pd only works like that for binary objects, not abstractions, i.e. : - extra/comport/comport.pd_linux can be loaded as [comport] - extra/arduino/arduino.pd triggers that 1000 error when loaded as

Re: [PD] why does PD round numbers? (in tables, in messageboxes, etc)

2012-04-10 Thread Charles Henry
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 7:32 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: On 04/10/12 10:33, katja wrote: I mean to say that switching to any format other than decimal ASCII would make it impossible for Pd to interpret patch files using the current format. why? I think that using any

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:42 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 10:17 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 10, 2012, at 9:54 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, I've downloaded a zip at this url: https://github.com/reduzent/pduino to get arduino patches for the

Re: [PD] pduino patches on pdx

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 10, 2012, at 4:44 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Tue, 2012-04-10 at 13:31 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I see what you are doing now. Pd only works like that for binary objects, not abstractions, i.e. : - extra/comport/comport.pd_linux can be loaded as [comport] -

[PD] [PD-announce] framesync 0.0 released! Library for syncing sound to videos

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Finally, after a few years, I've made a framesync release! Its been working really well for me, now we can see how it'll work for you ;). http://puredata.info/downloads/framesync framesync is a library for syncing sounds to video using frame numbers as the unit of time. It was developed as

Re: [PD] That old -nogui/nosound problem on Linux ...

2012-04-10 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Hey Chrissie, That would be awesome if you fixed it! Its been discussed before, perhaps on pd-dev. I think matju once outlined what the cause was, but I can't remember specifics. .hc On Apr 10, 2012, at 11:11 AM, Chrissie Caulfield wrote: Hi all, I've been scouring the lists for a