Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...
Pittsburgh sounds good to me. Now that I live in London, I'd like to consider organising a Con here with our other Pd folks, but for the next year I'm a bit stuck with work at Uni. So Pittsburgh could be great! Yeah, the London Con is still a mythical creature. Ryan and I tried last time to find funding and drew a blank! Best, Ed best, M On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 05:04:55PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Hey all, Its time to start talking about the next PdCon! I was just talking with Golan Levin and Dan Wilcox about the possibility of having the next PdCon at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh. One possibility is having it coincide and partner with a local music and new media festival in the first week of october: http://www.via-pgh.com/festival/2012/ Is that workable for people? Any other discussion about other possible locations? .hc -- Marco Donnarumma New Media + Sonic Arts Practitioner, Performer, Teacher, Director. Embodied Audio-Visual Interaction Research Team. Department of Computing, Goldsmiths University of London ~ Portfolio: http://marcodonnarumma.com Research: http://res.marcodonnarumma.com Director: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...
On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Pittsburgh sounds good to me. Now that I live in London, I'd like to consider organising a Con here with our other Pd folks, but for the next year I'm a bit stuck with work at Uni. So Pittsburgh could be great! Yeah, the London Con is still a mythical creature. Ryan and I tried last time to find funding and drew a blank! Ye I remember! now that I'm at Goldsmiths there might be some more resources. But need to check. Best, Ed ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...
Let's have it at UF Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.commailto:de...@thesaddj.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.ukmailto:morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Pittsburgh sounds good to me. Now that I live in London, I'd like to consider organising a Con here with our other Pd folks, but for the next year I'm a bit stuck with work at Uni. So Pittsburgh could be great! Yeah, the London Con is still a mythical creature. Ryan and I tried last time to find funding and drew a blank! Ye I remember! now that I'm at Goldsmiths there might be some more resources. But need to check. Best, Ed ___ Pd-list@iem.atmailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] New Sound Arts MFA Program @ Columbia University
This may be of interest to members of the pd mailing-list: NEW SOUND ARTS MFA PROGRAM AT COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY We are thrilled to announce the new Sound Arts MFA program offered by the Columbia University School of the Arts in association with the Department of Music and the Computer Music Center. Applications are now being accepted! More information is available here: http://arts.columbia.edu/sound-arts Please feel free to pass this along! Brad Garton http://music.columbia.edu/~brad ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Audio output on Raspberry Pi - Recommendations?
Folks: I've been digging through the list searching, haven't found a clear answer: what are folks using for audio output from the Raspberry Pi to a mixing board? I'm leaning toward trying a few USB audio interfaces. Curious about what others have used that is working well. Thanks, Dirk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio output on Raspberry Pi - Recommendations?
The best ide I got was from the Griffin iMic (thanks to Joe Deken over at New Blankets for running out and buying a bunch of cheap USB 'adapters' - the Griffin is $40 list / $27 street). The thing looks like an apple product but (as I discovered today looking at it) isn't. Good job of apple-style-imitation-without-infringing-trademark. The other USB 'adapters' also worked but beware - some take more power than the Pi can supply and some are physically so bulky you can't get anything in the other USB slot - in either case you have to get a powered USB hub and live with a layer of additional uncertainty. cheers Miller On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 08:18:00AM -0800, Dirk Myers wrote: Folks: I've been digging through the list searching, haven't found a clear answer: what are folks using for audio output from the Raspberry Pi to a mixing board? I'm leaning toward trying a few USB audio interfaces. Curious about what others have used that is working well. Thanks, Dirk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio output on Raspberry Pi - Recommendations?
edirol uca222 works great. cheers c Le 04/01/2013 17:49, Miller Puckette a écrit : The best ide I got was from the Griffin iMic (thanks to Joe Deken over at New Blankets for running out and buying a bunch of cheap USB 'adapters' - the Griffin is $40 list / $27 street). The thing looks like an apple product but (as I discovered today looking at it) isn't. Good job of apple-style-imitation-without-infringing-trademark. The other USB 'adapters' also worked but beware - some take more power than the Pi can supply and some are physically so bulky you can't get anything in the other USB slot - in either case you have to get a powered USB hub and live with a layer of additional uncertainty. cheers Miller On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 08:18:00AM -0800, Dirk Myers wrote: Folks: I've been digging through the list searching, haven't found a clear answer: what are folks using for audio output from the Raspberry Pi to a mixing board? I'm leaning toward trying a few USB audio interfaces. Curious about what others have used that is working well. Thanks, Dirk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio output on Raspberry Pi - Recommendations?
edirol? Isn't uca222 a behringer card? On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net wrote: edirol uca222 works great. cheers c Le 04/01/2013 17:49, Miller Puckette a écrit : The best ide I got was from the Griffin iMic (thanks to Joe Deken over at New Blankets for running out and buying a bunch of cheap USB 'adapters' - the Griffin is $40 list / $27 street). The thing looks like an apple product but (as I discovered today looking at it) isn't. Good job of apple-style-imitation-without-** infringing-trademark. The other USB 'adapters' also worked but beware - some take more power than the Pi can supply and some are physically so bulky you can't get anything in the other USB slot - in either case you have to get a powered USB hub and live with a layer of additional uncertainty. cheers Miller On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 08:18:00AM -0800, Dirk Myers wrote: Folks: I've been digging through the list searching, haven't found a clear answer: what are folks using for audio output from the Raspberry Pi to a mixing board? I'm leaning toward trying a few USB audio interfaces. Curious about what others have used that is working well. Thanks, Dirk __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (HCI Researcher / PhD) contact: pedro.lo...@hpi.uni-postdam.de website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/pedro.lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio output on Raspberry Pi - Recommendations?
in fact, both edirol UA1X and beringer uca222 works. they look so similar that I mix there name. sorry Cyrille Le 04/01/2013 18:55, Pedro Lopes a écrit : edirol? Isn't uca222 a behringer card? On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net mailto:c...@chnry.net wrote: edirol uca222 works great. cheers c Le 04/01/2013 17:49, Miller Puckette a écrit : The best ide I got was from the Griffin iMic (thanks to Joe Deken over at New Blankets for running out and buying a bunch of cheap USB 'adapters' - the Griffin is $40 list / $27 street). The thing looks like an apple product but (as I discovered today looking at it) isn't. Good job of apple-style-imitation-without-__infringing-trademark. The other USB 'adapters' also worked but beware - some take more power than the Pi can supply and some are physically so bulky you can't get anything in the other USB slot - in either case you have to get a powered USB hub and live with a layer of additional uncertainty. cheers Miller On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 08:18:00AM -0800, Dirk Myers wrote: Folks: I've been digging through the list searching, haven't found a clear answer: what are folks using for audio output from the Raspberry Pi to a mixing board? I'm leaning toward trying a few USB audio interfaces. Curious about what others have used that is working well. Thanks, Dirk _ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list _ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (HCI Researcher / PhD) contact: pedro.lo...@hpi.uni-postdam.de mailto:pedro.lo...@hpi.uni-postdam.de website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/pedro.lopes http://web.ist.utl.pt/pedro.lopes/ / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Audio output on Raspberry Pi - Recommendations?
+1 on the imic. On 4 January 2013 18:18, Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net wrote: in fact, both edirol UA1X and beringer uca222 works. they look so similar that I mix there name. sorry Cyrille Le 04/01/2013 18:55, Pedro Lopes a écrit : edirol? Isn't uca222 a behringer card? On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 6:48 PM, Cyrille Henry c...@chnry.net mailto: c...@chnry.net wrote: edirol uca222 works great. cheers c Le 04/01/2013 17:49, Miller Puckette a écrit : The best ide I got was from the Griffin iMic (thanks to Joe Deken over at New Blankets for running out and buying a bunch of cheap USB 'adapters' - the Griffin is $40 list / $27 street). The thing looks like an apple product but (as I discovered today looking at it) isn't. Good job of apple-style-imitation-without-** __infringing-trademark. The other USB 'adapters' also worked but beware - some take more power than the Pi can supply and some are physically so bulky you can't get anything in the other USB slot - in either case you have to get a powered USB hub and live with a layer of additional uncertainty. cheers Miller On Fri, Jan 04, 2013 at 08:18:00AM -0800, Dirk Myers wrote: Folks: I've been digging through the list searching, haven't found a clear answer: what are folks using for audio output from the Raspberry Pi to a mixing board? I'm leaning toward trying a few USB audio interfaces. Curious about what others have used that is working well. Thanks, Dirk __**___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list __**___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list __**___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/__** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/__listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/**listinfo/pd-listhttp://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (HCI Researcher / PhD) contact: pedro.lo...@hpi.uni-postdam.de mailto:pedro.lo...@hpi.uni-** postdam.de pedro.lo...@hpi.uni-postdam.de website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/pedro.**lopeshttp://web.ist.utl.pt/pedro.lopes http://web.ist.utl.pt/pedro.**lopes/ http://web.ist.utl.pt/pedro.lopes/ / http://pedrolopesresearch.**wordpress.com/http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/| http://twitter.com/**plopesresearch http://twitter.com/plopesresearch __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pure data and fluid : ok
thanks, compilation of libfluidsynth 1.1.6 (and removing 1.1.5) solved the problem. fluid~ works again. It was not even necessary to use --use-LADSPA=no flag (as mentioned by Frank Barknecht) best regards, vr On 24/11/2012 05:52, pured...@11h11.com wrote: just a quick note on fluid~, you need to upgrade (compile the last stable version) libfluid (at least on ubuntu-studio). apart from that, flex, pyext, fluid are all working (64bit). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Multiple sessions on Windows (was: Pd does not work on Windows)
On Jan 1, 2013, at 6:04 PM, Pierre-Olivier Boulant wrote: On 13/12/2012 04:45, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Dec 12, 2012, at 6:51 PM, Patrice Colet wrote: - Mail original - De: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at ok, I'm seeing the same thing. double-clicking and 'pd -open' are the same thing on Windows. I'm going to implement the double-click opening in Tcl, here's a bug report for 'pd -open': https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detailaid=3595309group_id=55736atid=478070 allright thanks for that OK, I implemented the double-click singleton opening. Starting with tomorrow's build, double-clicking a .pd file will open the patch in the already running instance of Pd-extended. It also means that üßáôå work. .hc Hi, I can't get a second session of Pd to start with the latest releases (2013 01 01). The first session catches the double click on pd/bin/pd.exe or pd/bin/pd.com and I get this in the console: Ignoring '': doesn't look like a Pd-file I tried starting a copy of pd.exe, but I got the same thing in the end. I notice an extra pd.exe running in the task manager for each subsequent start of pd.exe, but I can't access any of them but the first session. I have to shut them down from the task manager. I think I got this working well. Basically the way it works now is that use uses DDE to receive the double-clicked filename. This also gives Pd the filename in full unicode, while %ProgramFiles\pd\bin\pd.exe -open is still only ASCII or maybe latin1. That unfortunately means that if the file that launches Pd has extended unicode chars in it, that file won't be loaded since its handed to Pd using pd.exe -open. So the first instance of Pd that starts registers as the DDE server. Then any double-clicked files are sent to the first instance via DDE. Then any other new Pd instances just don't register with DDE. Unlike with GNU/Linux, there is no check whether the current instance should quit since Windows sends the DDE directly, we don't need a tcl program to find the Pd instance and send it a message. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI overload
Hey Hans... I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, then I tried sudo make install from packages directory. install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp test -z || (\ install -p -m 644 /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp \ ) /bin/sh: Syntax error: ) unexpected make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 ? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Ed, I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make them only send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. This can greatly reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see if you still get freezes? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ .hc On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hi List, I'm not going to say whether this is a recurrent problem as it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it... I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP GUIs, and I find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI objects stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there is a specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is making some kind of decision that there's too much of this stuff - I'm gonna prioritize the audio and not worry about it and I'd like to know how or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by setting flags on the command line. I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance time, since the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will not want to program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an idea. The really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker (which I think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now). System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, lots of externals compiled and loaded. Warm wishes, Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI overload
Have you tried using the Pd-extended PPA, there is a Lucid package there: https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/pd-extended sudo add-apt-repository ppa:eighthave/pd-extended .hc On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hey Hans... I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, then I tried sudo make install from packages directory. install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp test -z || (\ install -p -m 644 /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp \ ) /bin/sh: Syntax error: ) unexpected make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 ? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Ed, I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make them only send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. This can greatly reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see if you still get freezes? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ .hc On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hi List, I'm not going to say whether this is a recurrent problem as it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it... I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP GUIs, and I find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI objects stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there is a specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is making some kind of decision that there's too much of this stuff - I'm gonna prioritize the audio and not worry about it and I'd like to know how or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by setting flags on the command line. I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance time, since the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will not want to program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an idea. The really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker (which I think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now). System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, lots of externals compiled and loaded. Warm wishes, Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI overload
While you're at it, it would be great if you could also try pd-l2ork and report any gui overload issues. There are debs available on the site (http://l2ork.music.vt.edu), although the most up-to-date ones are found in the http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/data/pd/ folder. You can also install from git using automated install script. Best wishes, Ico -Original Message- From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Ed Kelly Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 6:16 PM To: Hans-Christoph Steiner; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Hans... I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, then I tried sudo make install from packages directory. install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd- extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp test -z || (\ install -p -m 644 /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd- extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp \ ) /bin/sh: Syntax error: ) unexpected make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 ? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Ed, I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make them only send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. This can greatly reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see if you still get freezes? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ .hc On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hi List, I'm not going to say whether this is a recurrent problem as it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it... I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP GUIs, and I find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI objects stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there is a specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is making some kind of decision that there's too much of this stuff - I'm gonna prioritize the audio and not worry about it and I'd like to know how or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by setting flags on the command line. I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance time, since the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will not want to program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an idea. The really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker (which I think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now). System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, lots of externals compiled and loaded. Warm wishes, Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI overload
Oooh, aargh, exactly the same! San Diego (Houston) we have a problem...Miller's sys_pollgui() fix is the only one I found that works, and perhaps we don't know why it works, but it works for me. Bear in mind I have 32x64+256=2304 GUI objects to update when the pattern changes on my sequencer, but I'm not entirely convinced that is the whole problem. The version I sent you (with all those GUI updates) worked fine it turned out, but the version I made of the sequencer to try to counteract this (with no GUI updates) - the performance patch with that still had the problem. Since I now have both Pd versions - hacked vanilla and extended - is there any test I can carry out to determine what the issue might be? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 0:08 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Have you tried using the Pd-extended PPA, there is a Lucid package there: https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/pd-extended sudo add-apt-repository ppa:eighthave/pd-extended .hc On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hey Hans... I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, then I tried sudo make install from packages directory. install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp test -z || (\ install -p -m 644 /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp \ ) /bin/sh: Syntax error: ) unexpected make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 ? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Ed, I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make them only send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. This can greatly reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see if you still get freezes? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ .hc On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hi List, I'm not going to say whether this is a recurrent problem as it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it... I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP GUIs, and I find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI objects stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there is a specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is making some kind of decision that there's too much of this stuff - I'm gonna prioritize the audio and not worry about it and I'd like to know how or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by setting flags on the command line. I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance time, since the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will not want to program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an idea. The really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker (which I think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now). System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, lots of externals compiled and loaded. Warm wishes, Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI overload
While you're at it, it would be great if you could also try pd-l2ork and report any gui overload issues. There are debs available on the site (http://l2ork.music.vt.edu), although the most up-to-date ones are found in the http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/data/pd/ folder. You can also install from git using automated install script. Is it independent of the normal Pd install? Its just I have some gigs coming up, and I don't want to fry the (stable) system I have. Especially with teaching starting again next week (less time vs eating) I have an old Dell laptop I can test on if not, once I get the Broadcom WiFi working in Ubuntu. Ed Best wishes, Ico -Original Message- From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Ed Kelly Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 6:16 PM To: Hans-Christoph Steiner; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Hans... I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, then I tried sudo make install from packages directory. install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd- extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp test -z || (\ install -p -m 644 /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd- extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp \ ) /bin/sh: Syntax error: ) unexpected make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 ? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Ed, I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make them only send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. This can greatly reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see if you still get freezes? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ .hc On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hi List, I'm not going to say whether this is a recurrent problem as it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it... I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP GUIs, and I find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI objects stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there is a specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is making some kind of decision that there's too much of this stuff - I'm gonna prioritize the audio and not worry about it and I'd like to know how or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by setting flags on the command line. I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance time, since the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will not want to program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an idea. The really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker (which I think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now). System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, lots of externals compiled and loaded. Warm wishes, Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] translate the Start Here! page
Also notice that neither you nor I are the least bit interested in fixing these problems in the FLOSS manual, and we're especially not interested in taking it on as a long term project. Who does that leave? If it leaves anyone wouldn't their time be better spent fixing the doc problems listed on the tracker than etching in stone a description of a moving target? Well, if you have to teach Pd to art students who are used to using Photoshop and Final Cut Pro (as I do) the FLOSS manual page is very useful to give them some idea of what the objects are. It may not be 100% accurate, but at least it is (only) a start. I do hope that the search mechanism replaces static docs conceptually, but here is why they should be kept. Learning Pd from scratch is not easy unless you are already a computer scientist. How do I know what the objects are called is I agree, the wrong question in so many ways. However, 80% of my undergraduate students basically give up at that point if they can't find the answer, and probably 60% of my masters students, often after saying I hate Pd. This question usually comes up in the first lesson. I could criticise them for this, except that there is an impression that Pd is open as well as open-source. Is it? Or is it highly elitist? I think it can be both, but I don't want to kick away the ladder... Perhaps the problem lies more with standards for documentation across the whole community - it's never going to happen (remember Pdpedia?) because the Pd community can be somewhat anarchic. Hats off to Hans - making Pd-extended work is like nailing jelly to the wall I guess. There are some small things we could do. For example, a description of what lies in each folder of externals and what they are for may well be enough, followed by a list of objects. My students are _scared_ of Pd because it is so utterly different to anything else they have ever engaged with. A bit of documentation that isn't in Pd itself eases the pain somewhat. A static web page will never be up-to-date since the pd externals folder is always a moving target. But it is better than nothing. It was really hard persuading students to learn Pd when Flossmanuals didn't exist. It's still hard, but it does open some doors to my students. Ed -Jonathan .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] the next PdCon in...
The first week of October really sucks for anyone working in a UK university (it's the first week of the teaching year). Not sure about other European (sic) nations... Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Pd List pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Wednesday, 2 January 2013, 22:04 Subject: [PD] the next PdCon in... Hey all, Its time to start talking about the next PdCon! I was just talking with Golan Levin and Dan Wilcox about the possibility of having the next PdCon at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh. One possibility is having it coincide and partner with a local music and new media festival in the first week of october: http://www.via-pgh.com/festival/2012/ Is that workable for people? Any other discussion about other possible locations? .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI overload
If you install it using binary tarball (or build it using ./tar_em_up -u), it will install into /usr/local/lib/ folder so it shouldn't mess with the regular pd/pd-extended. The deb OTOH cannot (yet) coexist with pd-extended, mainly due to shared names of some of the binaries (e.g. pd-gui)... HTH -Original Message- From: Ed Kelly [mailto:morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 8:18 PM To: Ivica Ico Bukvic; 'Hans-Christoph Steiner'; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload While you're at it, it would be great if you could also try pd-l2ork and report any gui overload issues. There are debs available on the site (http://l2ork.music.vt.edu), although the most up-to-date ones are found in the http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/data/pd/ folder. You can also install from git using automated install script. Is it independent of the normal Pd install? Its just I have some gigs coming up, and I don't want to fry the (stable) system I have. Especially with teaching starting again next week (less time vs eating) I have an old Dell laptop I can test on if not, once I get the Broadcom WiFi working in Ubuntu. Ed Best wishes, Ico -Original Message- From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Ed Kelly Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 6:16 PM To: Hans-Christoph Steiner; pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Hans... I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, then I tried sudo make install from packages directory. install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd- extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp test -z || (\ install -p -m 644 /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd- extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp \ ) /bin/sh: Syntax error: ) unexpected make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 ? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Ed, I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make them only send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. This can greatly reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see if you still get freezes? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ .hc On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hi List, I'm not going to say whether this is a recurrent problem as it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it... I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP GUIs, and I find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI objects stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there is a specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is making some kind of decision that there's too much of this stuff - I'm gonna prioritize the audio and not worry about it and I'd like to know how or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by setting flags on the command line. I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance time, since the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will not want to program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an idea. The really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker (which I think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now). System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, lots of externals compiled and loaded. Warm wishes, Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
Re: [PD] GUI overload
So now a question for me is - should I change || to + in the 0.44 release? My first impulse is to hold off since I can't be sure it won't affect scheduling in some other unknown way - after al if it makes one thing happen faster it presumably makes something else happen slower. I'm hoping to make 0.44 official this weekend :) M On Sat, Jan 05, 2013 at 01:07:44AM +, Ed Kelly wrote: Oooh, aargh, exactly the same! San Diego (Houston) we have a problem...Miller's sys_pollgui() fix is the only one I found that works, and perhaps we don't know why it works, but it works for me. Bear in mind I have 32x64+256=2304 GUI objects to update when the pattern changes on my sequencer, but I'm not entirely convinced that is the whole problem. The version I sent you (with all those GUI updates) worked fine it turned out, but the version I made of the sequencer to try to counteract this (with no GUI updates) - the performance patch with that still had the problem. Since I now have both Pd versions - hacked vanilla and extended - is there any test I can carry out to determine what the issue might be? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Ed Kelly morph_2...@yahoo.co.uk Cc: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Saturday, 5 January 2013, 0:08 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Have you tried using the Pd-extended PPA, there is a Lucid package there: https://launchpad.net/~eighthave/+archive/pd-extended sudo add-apt-repository ppa:eighthave/pd-extended .hc On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:15 PM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hey Hans... I'm on Lucid (10.04LTS Ubuntu). I've tried to get later Ubuntu versions to run on my new and old machines with no success, so I compiled the source code of Pd-extended 0.43 (2012-12-28 build). All was fine in linux_make/, then I tried sudo make install from packages directory. install -p -m 644 jmmmp-meta.pd \ /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp test -z || (\ install -p -m 644 /home/edward/software/pd/extended/0.43/pd-extended/packages/build/lib/pd-extended/extra/jmmmp \ ) /bin/sh: Syntax error: ) unexpected make[2]: *** [libdir_install] Error 2 ? Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ - Original Message - From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, 28 December 2012, 5:22 Subject: Re: [PD] GUI overload Hey Ed, I just committed a couple more fixes for [tgl] and [mknob] that make them only send the GUI updates when something actually has changed. This can greatly reduce the amount of traffic to the GUI. Can you try your patch with the 2012-12-28 build of Pd-extended and see if you still get freezes? http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/2012-12-28/ .hc On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Ed Kelly wrote: Hi List, I'm not going to say whether this is a recurrent problem as it's hard to say whether the rewrite of the GUI has affected it... I'm using a lot of abstractions with larger GOP or non-GOP GUIs, and I find the following problem occurs. There comes a point where the GUI objects stop responding in a patch when it is reloaded. I am wondering if there is a specific limit to GUI objects that could be changed. I think Pd is making some kind of decision that there's too much of this stuff - I'm gonna prioritize the audio and not worry about it and I'd like to know how or if it is possible to control this process from within Pd, or by setting flags on the command line. I'm also making less GUI intensive versions for performance time, since the really big GUI patches are often pattern-sequencers which I will not want to program when I am performing. Example patch enclosed to give you an idea. The really GUI-intensive objects are the trackers, especially quadtracker (which I think has pushed the GUI of Pd patches about as far as I can go now). System: quad core i5 PC running Ubuntu (10.04 Lucid), Pd-0.43-4, lots of externals compiled and loaded. Warm wishes, Ed Gemnotes-0.2: Live music notation for Pure Data, now with dynamics! http://sharktracks.co.uk/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___
