Re: [PD] confused about $1 in messages
On 01/20/2014 10:01 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It might help some if the selector inside a message box were visually distinct from the rest of the message. +1 You could also have different colors for built-ins vs. custom selectors. -1 gfmadsr IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] problem with sort object
On 01/20/2014 10:16 PM, D G wrote: Does this make any sense to anybody? can you replicate the error with the same numbers? yes, i can reproduce the problem. seems you found a bug. please report it on http://bugs.puredata.info/ it would be great if you could provide a *patch* (.pd-file) that reproduces the problem. fgdms IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] ALSA MIDI problem
Hello, I need your help :) I try to use my M-Audio Uno MIDI interface with Pd, but it doesn't work. I tried this three command to be sure that my MIDI interface works. $ lsusb ... Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0763:0150 Midiman M-Audio Uno ... $ dmesg | tail [ 389.178324] usb 1-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 [ 389.178328] usb 1-1.2: Product: USB Uno MIDI Interface [ 389.178331] usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: M-Audio $ amidi -p hw:1 -S 'F0 43 10 4C 00 00 7E 00 F7' and i can see the LED MIDI out blinking. Now with Pd, i tried : $ pd -nosleep -noaudio -alsamidi -midiindev 0 -midioutdev 0 or $ pd -nosleep -noaudio -alsamidi -midiindev 1 -midioutdev 1 but after checking the toggle MIDI OUT in media - test Audio and MIDI, and can't see LED blinking on my interface. Even after media - ALSA MIDI : In Ports : 1, Out Ports : 1 - Apply and OK, I get nothing. I am sure i miss something... Any help is welcome. Thanx. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem
Ok, I find a solution : $ aconnect -i client 0: 'System' [type=noyau] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce' client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 1 'Pure Data Midi-Out 1' $ aconnect -o client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 0 'Pure Data Midi-In 1' then : $ aconnect 128:1 20:0 Now, how can i keep this configuration each time i reboot my laptop ? ++ Jack Le 21/01/2014 12:18, Jack a écrit : Hello, I need your help :) I try to use my M-Audio Uno MIDI interface with Pd, but it doesn't work. I tried this three command to be sure that my MIDI interface works. $ lsusb ... Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0763:0150 Midiman M-Audio Uno ... $ dmesg | tail [ 389.178324] usb 1-1.2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 [ 389.178328] usb 1-1.2: Product: USB Uno MIDI Interface [ 389.178331] usb 1-1.2: Manufacturer: M-Audio $ amidi -p hw:1 -S 'F0 43 10 4C 00 00 7E 00 F7' and i can see the LED MIDI out blinking. Now with Pd, i tried : $ pd -nosleep -noaudio -alsamidi -midiindev 0 -midioutdev 0 or $ pd -nosleep -noaudio -alsamidi -midiindev 1 -midioutdev 1 but after checking the toggle MIDI OUT in media - test Audio and MIDI, and can't see LED blinking on my interface. Even after media - ALSA MIDI : In Ports : 1, Out Ports : 1 - Apply and OK, I get nothing. I am sure i miss something... Any help is welcome. Thanx. ++ Jack ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] invitation to take part in research study
Dear friends, I apologise in advance for any duplicate copies of this email you might receive. As part of my PHD research on heterogeneous systems and creativity I'm running an online questionnaire about the needs and work practices of artists and creatives who develop technology-based projects with a special focus on interactive systems as those used in art installations and live performance: http://goo.gl/PLTMRd I would like to kindly ask for your help with this work, both by responding to the questionnaire and by spreading the word about it to people and collectives you feel might have an interesting contribution to this effort. If you'd like to have a bit more info about it, I've also written a small blog post outlining the context and motivation for this study: http://dataflower.org/blog/collaborative-practices-in-creative-computing/ Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, Pedro Ângelo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] invitation to take part in research study
Hey, How long does it take to respond to it ? Cheers, Pierre. 2014/1/21 Pedro Ângelo pang...@void.io Dear friends, I apologise in advance for any duplicate copies of this email you might receive. As part of my PHD research on heterogeneous systems and creativity I'm running an online questionnaire about the needs and work practices of artists and creatives who develop technology-based projects with a special focus on interactive systems as those used in art installations and live performance: http://goo.gl/PLTMRd I would like to kindly ask for your help with this work, both by responding to the questionnaire and by spreading the word about it to people and collectives you feel might have an interesting contribution to this effort. If you'd like to have a bit more info about it, I've also written a small blog post outlining the context and motivation for this study: http://dataflower.org/blog/collaborative-practices-in-creative-computing/ Thank you very much for your help. Best regards, Pedro Ângelo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] confused about $1 in messages
On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure why the people replying to you are feigning ignorance on how this situation could possibly be confusing. I'm not aware of feigning or having feigned ignorance. I was just pointing out about the same as you did, although I must say that your explanation was a bit more elaborate. Where I used the word indicator I meant selector of course. -- Funs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem
On 01/21/2014 02:20 PM, Jack wrote: Now, how can i keep this configuration each time i reboot my laptop ? ++ if you have a desktop, use qjackctl (which despite it's name can also handle alsa-midi routing): - create a new patchbay that connects your audio-device with Pd - enable the patchbay - start qjackctl at startup. fgmdsart IOhannes signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem
Here's a portion of a startup script I use: echo rc_starts_pd: strating pd pd -rt -nogui -alsa -audiodev 4 -audiobuf 10 -alsamidi $PATCH # renice pd for much higher priority renice -10 $(pidof pd) # wait for pd to initialize KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep Pure Data) while [ $KA = ] do sleep 1 echo rc_starts_pd: pd alsamidi not ready KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep Pure Data) done echo rc_starts_pd: pd alsmidi is ready # connect the UA-25 midi to Pure Data echo rc_starts_pd: alsa midi connect 'UA-25' - 'Pure Data' aconnect 'UA-25' 'Pure Data' aconnect 'Pure Data':1 'UA-25':0 # connect the VIEWCON dongle midi to Pure Data echo rc_starts_pd: alsa midi connect 'VIEWCON..' - 'Pure Data' aconnect 'VIEWCON..' 'Pure Data' aconnect 'Pure Data':1 'VIEWCON..':0 -- It starts Pd, then waits until the PD midi device is registered with ALSA before trying to connect two Midi devices: UA-25 VIEWCON.. You could run the script from you ~/.bash_profile which would call it as soon as the user is logged in. I use this: - # do nothing if this is a ssh session if [ $SSH_CLIENT != ] ; then exit fi rc_starts_pd - It's important to ignore ssh sessions since, if you're like me, and you want to login to your (wearable) computer via SSH to check something, you don't want to launch a new instance of pd. On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:37 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: From: Jack j...@rybn.org Subject: Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem Date: January 21, 2014 at 8:20:27 AM EST To: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Ok, I find a solution : $ aconnect -i client 0: 'System' [type=noyau] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce' client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 1 'Pure Data Midi-Out 1' $ aconnect -o client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 0 'Pure Data Midi-In 1' then : $ aconnect 128:1 20:0 Now, how can i keep this configuration each time i reboot my laptop ? ++ Jack Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] confused about $1 in messages
On 01/21/2014 04:02 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig wrote: On 01/20/2014 10:01 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It might help some if the selector inside a message box were visually distinct from the rest of the message. +1 You could also have different colors for built-ins vs. custom selectors. -1 Hm... care to explain your votes? Is it the word colors that got a -1, or the idea of visually distinguishing between the two groups? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem
Oh woops. You want to call that in ~/.bash_login, not ~/bash_profile. On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a portion of a startup script I use: echo rc_starts_pd: strating pd pd -rt -nogui -alsa -audiodev 4 -audiobuf 10 -alsamidi $PATCH # renice pd for much higher priority renice -10 $(pidof pd) # wait for pd to initialize KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep Pure Data) while [ $KA = ] do sleep 1 echo rc_starts_pd: pd alsamidi not ready KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep Pure Data) done echo rc_starts_pd: pd alsmidi is ready # connect the UA-25 midi to Pure Data echo rc_starts_pd: alsa midi connect 'UA-25' - 'Pure Data' aconnect 'UA-25' 'Pure Data' aconnect 'Pure Data':1 'UA-25':0 # connect the VIEWCON dongle midi to Pure Data echo rc_starts_pd: alsa midi connect 'VIEWCON..' - 'Pure Data' aconnect 'VIEWCON..' 'Pure Data' aconnect 'Pure Data':1 'VIEWCON..':0 -- It starts Pd, then waits until the PD midi device is registered with ALSA before trying to connect two Midi devices: UA-25 VIEWCON.. You could run the script from you ~/.bash_profile which would call it as soon as the user is logged in. I use this: - # do nothing if this is a ssh session if [ $SSH_CLIENT != ] ; then exit fi rc_starts_pd - It's important to ignore ssh sessions since, if you're like me, and you want to login to your (wearable) computer via SSH to check something, you don't want to launch a new instance of pd. On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:37 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: From: Jack j...@rybn.org Subject: Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem Date: January 21, 2014 at 8:20:27 AM EST To: pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Ok, I find a solution : $ aconnect -i client 0: 'System' [type=noyau] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce' client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 1 'Pure Data Midi-Out 1' $ aconnect -o client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 0 'Pure Data Midi-In 1' then : $ aconnect 128:1 20:0 Now, how can i keep this configuration each time i reboot my laptop ? ++ Jack Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem
Thanx Dan and IOhannes for your solutions ! I will try them as soon as possible. ++ Jack Le 21/01/2014 23:09, Dan Wilcox a écrit : Oh woops. You want to call that in ~/.bash_login, not ~/bash_profile. On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com mailto:danomat...@gmail.com wrote: Here's a portion of a startup script I use: echo rc_starts_pd: strating pd pd -rt -nogui -alsa -audiodev 4 -audiobuf 10 -alsamidi $PATCH # renice pd for much higher priority renice -10 $(pidof pd) # wait for pd to initialize KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep Pure Data) while [ $KA = ] do sleep 1 echo rc_starts_pd: pd alsamidi not ready KA=$(aconnect -i -o | grep Pure Data) done echo rc_starts_pd: pd alsmidi is ready # connect the UA-25 midi to Pure Data echo rc_starts_pd: alsa midi connect 'UA-25' - 'Pure Data' aconnect 'UA-25' 'Pure Data' aconnect 'Pure Data':1 'UA-25':0 # connect the VIEWCON dongle midi to Pure Data echo rc_starts_pd: alsa midi connect 'VIEWCON..' - 'Pure Data' aconnect 'VIEWCON..' 'Pure Data' aconnect 'Pure Data':1 'VIEWCON..':0 -- It starts Pd, then waits until the PD midi device is registered with ALSA before trying to connect two Midi devices: UA-25 VIEWCON.. You could run the script from you ~/.bash_profile which would call it as soon as the user is logged in. I use this: - # do nothing if this is a ssh session if [ $SSH_CLIENT != ] ; then exit fi rc_starts_pd - It's important to ignore ssh sessions since, if you're like me, and you want to login to your (wearable) computer via SSH to check something, you don't want to launch a new instance of pd. On Jan 21, 2014, at 1:37 PM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at mailto:pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: *From: *Jack j...@rybn.org mailto:j...@rybn.org *Subject: **Re: [PD] ALSA MIDI problem* *Date: *January 21, 2014 at 8:20:27 AM EST *To: *pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at Ok, I find a solution : $ aconnect -i client 0: 'System' [type=noyau] 0 'Timer ' 1 'Announce' client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 1 'Pure Data Midi-Out 1' $ aconnect -o client 14: 'Midi Through' [type=noyau] 0 'Midi Through Port-0' client 20: 'USB Uno MIDI Interface' [type=noyau] 0 'USB Uno MIDI Interface MIDI 1' client 128: 'Pure Data' [type=utilisateur] 0 'Pure Data Midi-In 1' then : $ aconnect 128:1 20:0 Now, how can i keep this configuration each time i reboot my laptop ? ++ Jack Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com/ robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com/ Dan Wilcox @danomatika danomatika.com http://danomatika.com robotcowboy.com http://robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Selectors was: confused about $1 in messages
On 01/21/2014 11:23 AM, Funs Seelen wrote: On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 10:02 AM, IOhannes m zmölnig zmoel...@iem.at mailto:zmoel...@iem.at wrote: On 01/20/2014 10:01 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It might help some if the selector inside a message box were visually distinct from the rest of the message. +1 I don't see how this would prevent the mentioned confusion. It wouldn't prevent it. But it would still help. For an example: IDE syntax highlighting can't prevent confusion when learning C or Java or anything else. But it can cut down on mistakes and make things easier/quicker to read. This would be the same. Aside from the [list] objects, the selector is treated special in message passing (in fact it usually determines what happens next), so giving a visual clue would be quite helpful. Additionally, because of implicit float messages the first thing one sees in a message box is not necessarily the selector. One of the sources of confusion is looking at [1 2 3( and deducing that the first atom is $1, the second atom is $2, and so on. That's fine but it doesn't work for the general case. And that's when someone has to understand how selectors work. They aren't very complex, and I try to be consistent when describing the anatomy of a message-- but in a visual programming environment it's really great to connect the dots by saying the word in the little rounded box there. Furthermore, it serves as a reminder of what the user just learned. It might seem superfluous or even distracting. But look back at the OP's message: one two three. That's a message which implicitly assumes all atoms of the message are created and treated equally. Again it doesn't prevent confusion, but having the word one visually distinguished from two three is one step closer to understanding what's going on. In essence, it helps to create a low latency learning environment by removing unnecessary round trips through the Pd-list. And how would you like to do this? Italics, size, colors, different font? I like the little token widgets that are used in email apps and other places. That's hard to do in a tk canvas, easier in tkpath (Pd-l2ork). Of course it's complicated by nonlocal message-passing when using semicolons, so it may prove to be rather troublesome to implement. But I still like the idea and will look into what it would take to do it. -Jonathan It seems that [list] classes (e.g. [list split]) turn words into symbols and multiple words into a list automatically, just as numbers are turned into floats and multiple numbers into a list everywhere in Pd. The confusion is not that people cannot remember the words float, list, bang, symbol to be reserved, but that they are used to the convenience of how Pd handles floats and list of floats. You would almost forget that dog is not a symbol and that dog cat bear is not a list, particularly because [list split] doesn't complain and just returns a real list. --Funs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] confused about $1 in messages
On 01/21/2014 11:07 AM, Funs Seelen wrote: On Mon, Jan 20, 2014 at 7:30 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com mailto:jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not sure why the people replying to you are feigning ignorance on how this situation could possibly be confusing. I'm not aware of feigning or having feigned ignorance. Sorry, I didn't see your reply there when I wrote that, just Jack's and IOhannes'. I have a hard time believing they were unable to use their knowledge of Pd to deduce with great certainty that the OP thought [one two three([$1 $2([print] would output one two. In fact when I looked back at rolf's ASCII art and did the data flow in my head my brain initially flashed one two erroneously. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdDroidParty release
Hi Chris, Wicked project! Runs well on my upad (yes upad = cheap Android tablet): gui is fast, no glitch - but the Android latency is very high (471ms). Yes, making videos would help promote this project (uploading them on the vimeo pure data channel): https://vimeo.com/groups/puredata/ Thanks!! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
