is there a 'pd speak' abstraction or external somewhere?
i have never seen one.
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but don`t have no luck
ha ha. with vocals like that you'LL be making pd-blues in no time.
using a message box, use 'open' and add the entire path to your file..
eg. [open /audio/my_soundfile.aif(
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sorry if i haven't followed this discussion properly,
but i have had trouble with making abstractions that can take either a
symbol or float as an argument.
the only way i could manage was to make a (f $1) object and a (symbol $1)
object...and then direct them both to (list2symbol)
but it
which one to use with ubuntu studio? it seems to only come with vanilla pd.
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i just installed pd-extended in ubuntu studio, and played around with the
jack settings so as to avoid A/D/A errors..and it seemed to be working ok.
but then all of a sudden, after 10 or 15 minutes, pd will just freeze. this
happened about 5 or 6 times today, so it wasn't a one off.
what's
cheers, never realised that either
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get back on that soap box!
i wanna throw some tomatoes!
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maybe you mean you need the [trigger] object? this determines the order in
which messages are passed, and is one of the fundamental building blocks of
pd. it is abreviated as [t ]
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here's an old sequencer i did with data structures...not sure if it ever
really worked properly, but it might give you some ideas.
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-445-logic-audio-style-matrix-editor
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to make that patch work on
non-osx systems, you will need to change GRIDGRAD.GIF into lower case ... ie
gridgrad.gif
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i made an addition to the vline~ documentation in pddp. how do i get my
revision added into the general documentation?
vline~-help-revision.pd
Description: Binary data
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ok i added it, and it ended up in 'feature requests' ..i hope that is the
correct place.
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This will fail once [f] increments to 16777216
yep, you'd get a pretty sore finger doing that many keypresses as well.
[f]X[==]
nice trick. cheers.
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They also cooked me dinner.
the netpd guys are way up there with the best people i have ever met on the
internet. i bet the girls all love them too.
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i made a really good pd synth. it's all in mono.
i need as many ideas as i can get for the
final stereo section.
the best one i have had so far is boost high / cut low on the left, cut
high / boost low on the right
any ideas for mono- stereo effects.please let me know!
beautiful piece roman, so lush.
thanks for the dsp objects too.
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hey roman, what is bp2~ in the clap patch? is it an abstraction? care to
post it?
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well my mac just totally died, so i am going 100% linux from now on, and
bp2~ doesn't work.
but i am going 100% linux, so i am getting used to things not working ;)
filter~ seems to work ok though, so i guess the path to the abstraction is
not set.
ha ha, cool. i lived in papua new guinea for a while when i was little.
it's good to be somewhere out of the ordinary.
will listen to track now.
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ha ha, cool. i lived in papua new guinea for a while when i was little.
it's good to be somewhere out of the ordinary.
will listen to track now.
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do they offer scholarships for people to go and rock the funky beats?
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i keep getting SIMD messages in pd's console window. doesn't seem to be
causing any harm, but there are a lot of them and they get a bit annoying.
it's a new thing that only started happening since i switched to pd extended
(hans installer) 0.39.2 RC 2
kansas as in 'wizard of oz'?
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yes, i use [~] a lot.
sometimes if i have 10 of them in different synths, i will get lots of SIMD
messages in the console. would be good if you could remove it.
thanks.
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well, i'm about to share a synth that takes lots of stuff from different
peoples' works...and i have tried to credit them where i could, but
sometimes it's hard to remember who made what patch.
and i was thinking about what to do about crediting others..
and i came to these conclusions: credit
it would be like robbing a grandmother.
sounds like fun to me!
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well i got your mail through the list, so i guess it's all good.
welcome aboard
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i think he means you could reach the same result using [realtime] or zexy's
[time]
and i would add that you could possibly even get the same using the
[timer] object connected to an [einstein-rosen_bridge] external
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wormhole
[ ] Best Project for Multimedia
yes, i'd agree. also, it would seem logical if all pd voters went for the
same category. ...more chance of a golden mousepad or whatever the prize
is.
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this is still a problem in the newest build of pd extended on os X. is
there some way i can fix it for myself?
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i made the same thing a while back, and visualised it with gem:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-446-this-going-freak
if you use a piano sample and set the speed correctly, the audio will be
almost exactly the same.
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The rlimits approach will soon be common knowledge among all Linux
audio users anyway.
Not everyone wants to learn about this stuff. Some people just want
to install Ubuntu Studio and make music.
hans, i am so much on your side here. ..although i'd say: 'some of us
just want to
well, i fixed my problem by not using jack. runs fine with the alsa setup.
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hi, maybe list2symbol (l2s) will help you get the spaces in there?
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it took me 5 months to figure out the difference between objects, externals,
and abstractionsgod only knows how much longer it would have taken if
i'd had to deal with 'classes' as well. i probably would have given up.
'object' has always been used (even if it is sometimes incorrectly
this is how i order notes in a table:
when a new note is input, read through the table until you reach either a 0,
or a number higher than the new note. if you reach a zero, then put the new
note in place of the zero. if you reach a higher note, then shift every
remaining note 1 step forward in
check the send/receive properties for your 'slew' slider. ;)
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just do this to check:
[1( --- add a higher number to see how far you can go
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[t f b(
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[until] [clear(
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[add symbol something(
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[textfile]
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i have something i'd like to add to pdpedia, but it seems the datapool is
still not functional.
the current version says 'this is how pdpedia MIGHT look' ...so when will it
actually be ready to use?
i think that rather than arguing about silly stuff like 'classes vs objects'
it would be better
i prepared a document which included ascii style patch representations
(eg..
[t f f]
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|[set $1-array]
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[tabread 0-array] )
but the wiki format doesn't like the multiple spaces you need for this, so i
made .png files from screenshots, and tried to upload them, but i
ok, sorry for saying 'silly'
i'm just an idiot.
but i want to edit pdpedia!!!
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bugger, forgot to reply to list again. here's my reply:
ok. i know pdpedia only a rough draft at the moment, which is why i felt
more comfortable messing round and editing stuff.
i have saved my input as .txt files and will add it to the real pdpedia when
you get it up and running.
i also
yeah i know. i already had a go at editing your test page ;)
as far as i see. you're just setting it up as an explanation of objects (or
classes, or whatever they're called now.)
but pd is more about how you string objects together, than the actual
objects themselves.
anyway. the community
i agree with frank.
no way should help patches rely on externals.
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the niagara / packel stuff you can easily substitute with [list split 1]
and then you're rocking pddp vanilla style!
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to follow on from a previous thread,
how does the settable send work in pd 0.40 (i haven't installed it yet)
if it is just like:
[set x(
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[send y]
then, won't this break backwards compatibility? i often use [send] to pass
set messages on, particularly for example when using [tabread4~]
ah good. thanks for clearing that up.
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the workaround i have at the moment is that audacity lets you export cue
points as a .txt file.
As long as you don't add any labels to your cue points, then that text file
contains a list of cue point times which you can read directly into an array
in pd.
in audacity, do the following:
Project
i guess it would help for debugging of newer patches on older versions of
pd.
if you create [send x] and feed it [symbol x] [symbol y] symbol z], then it
will always send to x in older versions of pd, so it might be harder to find
the source of error. however, if you just create [send], it will
it seems that the media pool (database) still hasn't been set up. once
that works, i can start doing some pages.
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i think that 'wiki.puredata.info' sounds and looks better.
pdpedia.puredata is a bit of a tongue twister.
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http://wiki.puredata.info/
it says it all. it's a WIKI with INFO on PUREDATA.
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if you dont need the audio routing from jack, then the plain ALSA driver is
much easier to get workign properly.
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when you send a message to trigger a new slice, do the following:
1) send a [vline~] ramp to cut the volume
ie,
[tabread4~]
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| [0 5. 0 5 5(
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| [vline~]
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[*~ ]
2) delay your slice message 5 ms so that the new slice is retriggered
exactly when the volume is zero.
i wrote a fair bit about arpeggiators here:
http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-09/053538.html
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i'd love it if someone would actually explain the ableton process fully or
code it in pd. everyone always just says 'they do it like this, it's
easy'but no-one actually makes it as far as a patch.
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cool!!! Can you post a simple patch that does abelton-esue time-stretching
on a loop?
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roman, sorry i use gmail, which has a nice threaded view for mail. i forgot
that not everyone gets this function.
derek wrote:
Time stretching is usually done one of two ways, both of which involve a
kind of windowing of the array: you can use an FFT analysis (of which
there are examples
did you try freeverb~ ?
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is there any way to reset a block?
i am using the guts from the phase vocoder in the documentation, but
it clips off the attack when i trigger percussion samples.
so what i need to do (unless someone has a better suggestion) is
retrigger the block at the same as triggering the sample to play.
#X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0;
as i just found out, you need a backslash in front of $ args. eg.. /$1-THREE
no idea what the float 0 means though.
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yeah, and as if anyone was taking away their revenue by using the
term. bloody hell i hate trademark/copyright laws.
understand you just doing the sensible thing and standing clear of the
bastards though.
the PD-RING is cool though. thanks for putting it up.
holey dooley! you want to try that out on a 13 monitor! looks like
there's heaps of good stuff in there though.
i tried loading a demo song, still just getting very clicky sounds,
but i will give it more of a go to find its sweet spots. the rhythms
are cool.
i think it will delay until the next block. not sure how reliable it is though.
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i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a
real GEM - a totally rradical chick.
We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything
[unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]?
..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month
and i said, hey,
i promise never to do this kind of thing again,
as long as you guys promise that any future discussions of sexism, or
politics, or anything not pd related is kept OT, where it belongs.
fair enough eh?
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right click on the box to bring up the help menu, and there should be
a subpatch called [pd edit] this will show you how to set limits.
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i feel your pain mate,
i have a mac, and sometimes i get other people's patches, and the
bottom corner of the patch goes below the bottom of the screen and it
is impossible to resize.
the workaround i use is to copy the entire patch into a new window and
'save as'
if there is a real solution,
i just set up a new wiki for pd, aimed at providing a simple and easy
way for pd users to share their patches / tutorials, etc...
so, this should complement the pdpedia quite well.
http://practical-data.wikidot.com/
anyone is welcome to become a member and add content. just create an
account
hans, i got the general impression that pdpedia has been made as a
kind of dictionary of pd objects.
at the moment there is no section for user-patches / tutorials etc...
so i set this page up.
can we post patches and tutorials on pdpedia ??
if so, i might just delete this page, and
afaik, you can't change the actual colour of the array, but you can
put a canvas of equal size behind the array for a coloured background.
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i started work on a sound editor, here is version 1:
http://puredata.hurleur.com/sujet-1295-sound-editor
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ah, sorry...didn't realize that attachments would't be seen by forum
guests. thanks for posting it here andy.
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why do you need the textfile?
there might be a better option than that.
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sorry for reposting an old topic, but i couldn't find a simple patch
to demonstrate the method.
how do you upsample a readsf~ so that it will write an array quickly?
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roman, that's awesome.
i'll try to use this to add markers to sound files in my sound editor.
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yeah, always use [table] instead of a graphical array whenever possible.
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http://www.vlf.it/fft_beginners/fft_beginners.html
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actually, that didn't help much at all...sorry.
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so, i don't know too much about fft, but here's what i can gather.
hopefully some people who actually understand it can explain where i
am wrong:
fft analyzes a 'block' of samples. a block is just a section of
consecutive samples. pd's default block size is 64 samples, which is
why you get 64
so why not just have 8 'sandboxes' all within one abstraction and
then just save that every time you edit it?
i always try to think within what i know pd can do..and then at a last
resort look to externals or exotic patching fixesbut i don't think
you're at the last resort yet.
there must
as far as i can tell, ssaad just saves the state of sliders, arrays
etc that are already a part of the patch...but what chuck needs is a
way to save different combos of these gui objects.
can ssaad do that?
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yeah, but what chuck wants to know is WHICH objects are in his
subpatch. so...if he puts a slider, 2 number boxes and 3 arrays in a
subpatch, he needs something that will tell him that the subpatch
contains a slider, 2 number boxes and 3 arrays.
and then in another subpatch there might be 6
ah cheers frank, thanks for clearing a lot of that up. you do really
good explainations.
The main reason we use complex numbers in electronic music is
because they magically automate trigonometric calculations. We
frequently have to add angles together in order to talk about the
changing
cos^2+sin^2=1
ah!
so, actually the FFT doesn't HAVE to use imaginary numbersbut they
are just used because the complex-number system is
two-dimensional and that signals to be analysed are presumed to be
two-dimensional. They are decomposable into a sum of circular
trajectories
every day a
t b b f
or something to that effect. can someone shed some light on what this does?
it's one of the most important things you need to learn about pd.
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yeah roman, that peak filter is lush.
has anyone else noticed that the rpole~ / cpole~ filters use quite a bit of cpu?
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4, maybe 8, perhaps even 16 channels of audio...going out of ableton
live (or logic, or cubase, or whatever) and into pd,
..in windows
...without much fuss
am i dreaming?
or does someone know of a way to do this?
(on mac, i'd just use soundflower16)
i think it will work better this way:
http://practical-data.wikidot.com/
i will update it whenever something new and fun pops up in the pd world.
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if its for audio, then the output of [soundfiler] will be the same as
the arraysize for resized arrays.
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hey nice. looks like it would make a neat controller for effects/synth
parameters. bit more interesting than a standard lfo.
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actually i really love this one. great idea and well put together.
you set up a really good system with the 3 arrays, so the visual
representation is very effective.
it's one of the problems with pd that the visual element is not so
easy to access. always good to see a nice relation between
cool! thanks frank.
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miller, i think his name is :)
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i have never felt the need for segmented patch cords. and as many
people keep saying, your patches will eventually end up neater and
more logical without them. they force you to patch more correctly.
infinite undos would be nice though :)
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if you want to sync it, then just send a zero to the input phasor~ and
output phasor~ at the same time.
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cool, thanks frank. this makes a nice squelchy type of synth if you
slide the values.
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here's my favourite pd video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRD_FShEBFA
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and of course, claude's great constructions.
http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=claudiusmaximus%20AND%20mediatype%3Amoviessort=-date
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