Re: [PD] why bother...
yes sir... i couldn't resist the itch anyway :) http://osku.de/simsui/simsui-PROTOTYPE3.ogg http://osku.de/simsui/simsui-PROTOTYPE3.tar.gz there is probably a bug in my code, clutter0.6 or nvidia closed-source drivers, that makes the first slider and background to flicker when you move a thumb while there is input coming from OSC... but as it seems to work fine on my debian eeepc (intel graphics) i don't care... now where did i see that DIY touchscreen for eeepc :P .andre On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 19:23 +0100, Andy Farnell wrote: Because we need you. Take a break. Then get back to work on your code soldier. Keep your chin up and stay on board for the big win. On Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:52:19 +0200 Andre Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello pd world, i have now come to the conclusion that FLOSS coding is just wasting my time, as i don't want to get abused by some dirty closed-source shameless bastards. so i won't be evolving this cool idea anymore: SimSUI - a Simple SVG User Interface - http://osku.de/simsui but as my first intention was to let it communicate with pd (add OSC to vanilla pd already!;), i would like to dedicate that small idea/code to pd(-list), my first open-source love... i could say do what ever you want with that (lousy) code, but as long as closed-source is not illegal, every one can do what ever they want with every code, so no use to say the obvious... ask me again when the revolution starts! .andre p.s. some ass holes has/will probably software patented the idea anyway, so why bother... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mrpeach osc - pipelist question
i get the same error too, and removing pipelist seems to work... (and why is there no Makefile for OSC ?) but, when i want to route like /foo/bar it wont be recognised by routeOSC. (but /foo works). does /foo/bar work for you ? On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 23:44 -0400, patrick wrote: hi, i am using mrpeach osc external to talk to/from blender. it works fine, but not when using pipelist (routeOSC-help.pd): error: pipelist: no method for '/test' also the millisecond_delay is: -3.424e+12, but the testing application (a simple python script) is 0.5 sec. for now i am using only udpreceive plug into unpackOSC and finally routeOSC /test and it works fine, but what i am missing from pipelist? pat ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] why bother...
hello pd world, i have now come to the conclusion that FLOSS coding is just wasting my time, as i don't want to get abused by some dirty closed-source shameless bastards. so i won't be evolving this cool idea anymore: SimSUI - a Simple SVG User Interface - http://osku.de/simsui but as my first intention was to let it communicate with pd (add OSC to vanilla pd already!;), i would like to dedicate that small idea/code to pd(-list), my first open-source love... i could say do what ever you want with that (lousy) code, but as long as closed-source is not illegal, every one can do what ever they want with every code, so no use to say the obvious... ask me again when the revolution starts! .andre p.s. some ass holes has/will probably software patented the idea anyway, so why bother... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd.tk: how to get rid of scrollbars and menus?
hi, i once did a patch for removing scrollbars if content is smaller than canvas (pretty standard feature in any app, no?): http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1551825group_id=55736atid=478072 but miller seemed to have bugs with it, and i (no one?) could not reproduce... http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2008-01/010554.html and as the need for it seems very low, i dont care anymore... and for removing menubar, the only thing i got as answer was use forgot the name tcl/tk external... .andre On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 12:02 +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: hi all without any specific tk knowledge, i still once managed to tweak the pd.tk file, so that there weren't any menus and scrollbards anymore in the patcher windows. it took me a while to find what needs to be skipped and needs to to be kept in order to work correctly. now, after switching to a newer pd version, i realized, that i cannot just re-use my work done in the previous pd.tk. if possible, can anyone explain in few words what needs to be done in order to get rid of those? wouldn't it also be nice to have simply a switch in the file to turn those on and off? roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] UI developer volunteering to help
On Sat, 2008-05-03 at 05:16 -0400, cdr wrote: I am not sure what you mean by 'chrome' though. http://www.37signals.com/svn/archives2/lingo_chrome.php to get OS chrome on Tk, it may be as simple as a 'require Tktile' and tile http://wiki.tcl.tk/13636 is now part of tk8.5 http://tcl.tk/software/tcltk/8.5.tml ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] 32-bit or 64-bit xp for PD?
terve, i would suggest to look also other (windows) programs you may want to use, to make sure that they have 64bit versions! i assume there are many popular windows programs that are not yet available as 64bit. (last i heard, even ms-office was not available as 64bit) and you can always say no to the windows EULA when you first start your machine and then get your money back for the unused windows licence. then just go download a gnu/linux distribution and install it :) (or if you want to have windows, do a dual-boot) .andre ps. and yes, you can run 32bit OS in a 64bit processor... On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 10:55 +0300, Mika Ristimäki wrote: Hi, Thanks for your help. I also would prefer Linux but the company that is buying the HW still have a policy about Windows OS. There might be changes to that in the future but still its just Windows for me. But I think I will go with the 64-bit XP. I'm quite busy working with my thesis right now, so I don't think I'll have time to do much fixing to the 64-bit PD. But I could do some testing work, if you need more testers. Just let me know how to sign up, and when I get the new hardware I'll be able to start. -Mika Quoting B. Bogart [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Mika, If the HW seller does not give you an option for whatever OS you want, other than windows preloaded then don't buy from that seller. At least all the good deals on HW up here are found in smaller stores that build machines custom to order and will leave it blank if you want. I own two AMD64 machines, both running 32bit debian. And running debian on another two AMD64's machine at school, also with 32bit sarge. All are rock stable for PD. (just for fun here is what TOP says about my PD installation: runs 24/7, started on Jan 30th, still running today.) 5536 root -7 0 580m 426m 13m S 37.5 21.0 31217:21 pd that's about 31,217 hours cpu time for the pd process. I suggest you choose a seller than gives you a choice, then choose a 32bit OS for now and change it in the future. XP or Vista is not a choice. Just my advice... .b. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you are willing to do a bit of work on finishing up the 64-bit support, I highly recommend you get a 64-bit OS. But keep in mind then you will have to fix things, and there will be bugs. But the core of Pd should work fine now with 64-bit, that's been supported for a bit. The problems will mostly be with externals. Basically, 64-bit support is very close to being production ready, we just need some people willing to do the last testing and fixes. .hc On Apr 15, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Mika Ristimäki wrote: Hi all, I'm sure this has been asked before, but searching the archives I couldn't quite get the answer I was looking for. I am getting a new desktop computer and my options for OS are 32-bit or 64-bit XP or 64-bit Vista. Sadly no Linux, so I have to cope with Windows. The CPU will be Quad-core Intel Xenon 5450. So my question is what OS (from my options) should I choose for PD. I use PD for audio algorithm research and testing so I also write lot of externals. I suppose that with 64-bit OS it is possible to compile compatible code for 32-bit OSs. What are the main advantages and disvantages in running PD in 64-bit XP. How about running 32-bit XP in the processor that has 64-bit architecture? Thanks for all the help... -Mika ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hidden folders in PD open/save dialog
On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 09:07 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Andre Schmidt wrote: would be very nice if pd used the open dialog of the current system (like gnome open dialog under gnome, windows under windows, etc...) i think since tcl/tk-8.5 it should be possible to theme your tk-apps, thus using widgets provided by the system. e.g qt on kde,... is there an universal open dialog api ? ;) yes there are several :-) :: tcl/tk implements one. it is the dialog that is used by Pd. well, i ment something more universal, like you would say open an file open dialog in tcl/tk, and depending on the system tcl/tk is running, it would open the native open file dialog of that system. all with same code, hense the universal open dialog api... but this would make an open file dialog ranked as an app, like zenity or file/web-broswer or hmm, what are even standard apps that belong to an operating system ? (ok, forget that) well, im too long with open source, so my view of operating system is maybe too wide and, eeh, open! :) .andre mfg.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hidden folders in PD open/save dialog
yeah! real men don't just talk (like me) but also try to solve the problem! you guys rock! as always! +1 On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 13:17 -0500, danomatika wrote: IOhannes, you found the magic bullet (or forum post, that is)! Awesome, I can confirm this works in a little test script and screenshot. It's a button to toggle hidden file display as expected. On Wed, 2008-04-02 at 10:55 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This would be huge, it would greatly help the newbies. In workshops, a lot of people had trouble with those open/save panels. There are quite a few apps written with Tcl/Tk for GNU/Linux, so I am sure we are not the first to want this feature. I would be very surprised if another Tcl/Tk app hasn't solved this already. according to http://www.groupsrv.com/computers/about266840.html it is acutally already built into tk-8.4 but not exposed! quoting this article: If you have Tcl/Tk 8.4.12, find the file tkfbox.tcl in your Tk installation. At line 777, you will see: set ::tk::dialog::file::showHiddenBtn 0 set ::tk::dialog::file::showHiddenVar 1 Replace them by: set ::tk::dialog::file::showHiddenBtn 1 set ::tk::dialog::file::showHiddenVar 0 And you're done... mfgasd.r IOhannes -- Dan Wilcox robotcowboy.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Hidden folders in PD open/save dialog
would be very nice if pd used the open dialog of the current system (like gnome open dialog under gnome, windows under windows, etc...) as i have many links to my favorite places on the left side of the gnome open dialog, it would speed things up a lot! and of course, i bet everyone wants to hide those hidden files :) i have no idea if this is technically possible, i would assume in the worst case (besides not possible at all) we would use some bindings... but for every system ? is there an universal open dialog api ? ;) .andre ps. under linux we could also use zenity --file-selection (or similar) http://directory.fsf.org/project/zenity/ and heres something found in the tcl/tk wiki http://wiki.tcl.tk/15897 On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 11:45 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: This would be huge, it would greatly help the newbies. In workshops, a lot of people had trouble with those open/save panels. There are quite a few apps written with Tcl/Tk for GNU/Linux, so I am sure we are not the first to want this feature. I would be very surprised if another Tcl/Tk app hasn't solved this already. I have had good luck with the #tcl room. .hc On Mar 30, 2008, at 8:11 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: This would be a Good Thing ... I wasn't of the impression it would be easy to do though. I've been assuming that would necessitate writing, and then having to maintain, a whole new open dialog widget. If there's a smarter way to do it I'd love to know about it. cheers Miller On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 03:25:00PM -0500, Daniel Wilcox wrote: Ok, Here's another todo for Linux I am willing to solve, along with drag and drop and better desktop integration: hidden folders in the file browser. PD defaults to the home folder of the current user, which is full of hidden folders (.foldername) which are naturally listed fist. This means that every time I go to open or save something I have to scroll the little browser window past these (non-)hidden folders to my visible folders. Yeah, I know, its a small thing, but I always find it annoying. This is something that other applications which use the GTK-gnome file browser handle and hitting Ctrl-H toggles hidden file display. I don't have a huge signal processing background, so I'll try and help in my own way :P. -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Linux Audio Conference 2008: Registration now open
On Tue, 2008-01-29 at 18:06 +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: On 29/01/2008, at 17.10, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Who else will be there? I will yet again follow the video cast. (Hopefully the screen with the presentation will be in focus rather then the speaker.) or: |presenter|| |cam || | || |_|| | | | | | | | | | | |screen video | |__| .andre Lovely artwork. Especially the poster. Kind of the same ascetics as the covers of some of the records from Esel and Karaoke Kalk (which are (or were) Cologne based, iirc). Who did it? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] text based pd patching
yup, very nice and usefull in (non-html) emails, console, man pages and so on (where you only can display text)... but for pdf, webbrowser i would prefer svg. as its also just text (therefor searchable, but dunno if in pdf) and looks better (propably exactly like in pd) than ascii... i would love to do a pd-patch to svg converter, but theres no info about the inlets/outlets in pd-patches. so we would need to have pd on the webserver to convert pd-patches to svg... .andre ps. my most knowledge is in php, but i could start learn python to do an converter for puredata.info/plone... pps. would be awesome if users on puredata.info could choose the display of included patches in a page between pd-text, ascii-art, svg and png :) ppps. but until viewers support svg fonts (i think opera9 is the only atm) http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#FontElement we would have the same problem with fonts as we have with pd atm... On Fri, 2008-01-11 at 17:06 -0500, marius schebella wrote: very nice, indeed. do you see any possibility to run this the other way round, so that we can have patch output in graphical ascir format? useful for examples in pdfs, web-browsers. would make patches searchable and other stuff. marius. alex wrote: Hi pders Here's a way of PD patching in plaintext: ** | ..\ .-x. | osc~ 5 | * | osc~ 500 | `-x--' | `-x'|| | .-x--. | | | *~ 300 | | | `-x--' | *---* || | ** .-x--. | *~ 0.2 | `-x--' | * |\ | * | | .-x-x--. | dac~ | `--' http://doc.gold.ac.uk/~ma503am/alex/textual-patching/ You can define pd objects and connect them together with ASCII syntax. Layout is preserved as well. Much like in ghostbusters, you can't cross the lines, and there isn't syntax for different box types (messages and numbers). Fixing this would be short work, but I ran out of train journey :) There is a particular syntax for drawing the lines. You use - for going left and right, | for going up and down and \ and / for going diagonally. To change direction or fork a wire you have to place a * . Mark inlets and outlets with x . alex ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] question about antialiased canvas on pd-extended osx release
hi, tcl/tk8.5 can use antialiased ttf fonts on every os and tkpath* could be used to get antialiased lines also under linux. .andre * http://tclbitprint.sourceforge.net/ On Wed, 2007-11-21 at 21:24 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: Greetings all, This is perhaps a bit OT, but I was wondering if the same appearance is reproducible on Linux as far as the antialiasing of the object boxes, connector rectangles, cords, and cord colors are concerned? The pd-extended osx looks IMHO a lot cleaner (I've been running antialiased fonts for a while now on Linux but having cords and objects also antialiased would really add to the overall experience). Many thanks! Ivica Ico Bukvic, D.M.A. Composition, Music Technology, CCTAD, CHCI, CS and Art (by courtesy) Director, DISIS Interactive Sound Intermedia Studio Virginia Tech Dept. of Music - 0240 Blacksburg, VA 24061 (540) 231-6139 (540) 231-5034 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.music.vt.edu/people/faculty/bukvic/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] syntax of Pd files
FYI: thats also the first hit in google for puredata file format... and as it is a wiki page, please do modify it if you find something that doesnt match, as i may also need it in the near future ;) .andre On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 19:09 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: A quick search of puredata.org turns up: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/fileformat There's lots of good stuff there! :D .hc On Oct 16, 2007, at 4:51 PM, Andy Farnell wrote: Through trial and error I've managed to reach what I thought was an understanding of Pd file format. However, on deeper analysis I keep discovering I'm wrong, in fact the Pd file structure and the syntax of the statements is not what I thought (which explains many previous programming errors). I think it's been asked before and received no satisfactory answer, so once again - Where is the complete file format and syntactic definitions of the Pd file documented (not by reading through the source of the parser)? Would someone care to go through and explain in a simple tutorial how Pd constructs its netlist and what are the meanings of the parameters to each of these statements #X msg 125 100 bang; An easy one, a message containing [bang( at coordinates 125 100, right? #X obj 144 128 s $1-zero; And again, an object of class send at coords 144,128 with name $1- zero. #X array $1-THREE 6485 float 0; Maybe an easy one, we create an array called $1-THREE of size 6485 of type float. And an array doesn't need coordinates because a graph has the coordinates not the array. But what is that 0 at the end? #N canvas 0 22 450 300 graph1 0; #X restore 235 308 graph1; What is the real purpose of restore? What are these parameters? How does it relate to the canvas? What the hell is coords? Why? #X coords 0 1.02 6484 -1.02 200 130 1; #X connect 60 0 62 0; Can anyone thoroughly explain connections and how their ordering is important? It's an ordered adjacency matrix? I think this would be very helpful for everyone to have properly documented somewhere. Cheers, Andy -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. - General Smedley Butler ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Nothing shows up in pd main window
On Mon, 2007-08-27 at 15:31 +0300, Batuhan Bozkurt wrote: Hello, I'm having an issue with my Pd version 0.39.3-extended-rc5 installation in ubuntu feisty fawn. I was having no problems when suddenly the pd icon on my desktop refused to launch pd properly. A blank pd window shows up: http://www.batuhanbozkurt.com/stuff/pdblank.png Launching pd by pressing alt+f2 and writing pd yields to the same result. However if I launch pd from terminal by writing pd, it launches fine. But the menu fonts are garbled(which is the case in all tcl/tk applications-not pd spesific). http://www.batuhanbozkurt.com/stuff/pdfonts.png I think I'm having a problem with Tcl/Tk right? Any suggestions for this? yeah, the problem is that they are waiting with the release of tcl/tk8.5 too long ;) joke aside, i assume the problem is that the font tk8.4 uses here (bitstream vera sans?) is not so optimal for not-antialised use (or tk8.4 doesnt render it not so nice) it looks ugly, but i assume it is normal... .andre ps. this is one of the reasons why i use tcl/tk8.5 from cvs for a long time already... Thanks. Batuhan ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Vote your font! [was: fonts on GNU/Linux]
i would say the user should be able to choose what ever font she/he wants, like in every other program... but for the default, i would vote bold for objects/messages etc. and normal for comments. .andre p.s. i hope they release tk8.5 allready! (ttf+antialias) On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 08:17 +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Many newbies think that Pd looks very strange. Many people have expressed gratitude for the switch to the normal weight font. Why not make a vote? Attached are two screenshots, one with Vera bold, one with Vera normal, both on Linux, both on pd-extended 0.40. Which do you prefer? [ ] normal.png [ ] bold.png Ciao ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for GNOME, KDE, and Windows icons
isn't GNOME and KDE (and even OSX? VISTA?) capable of displaying SVG files as icon ? would save work for different resolutions... andre @hans, sorry pressed ctrl+r where i wanted ctrl+l On Fri, 2007-05-18 at 11:31 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On May 18, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Cesare Marilungo wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Now that we have a pretty icon image thanks to Luke Iannini, it would be nice to use this file on GNOME, KDE, and Windows. Anyone one to give any one of these a shot? I made the previous ugly Windows icon. I haven't gotten an icon working on GNOME before but have messed with it. I've never worked with KDE. I was already using this icon on KDE. It handles transparency too. And looks great. Can you send your icon file and whatever else is needed to use it with KDE? Or does KDE use the Windows format (pd.ico) or Mac OS X format (pd.icns)? .hc c. (I attached the icon image). .hc - --- - --- If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. - --- ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.cesaremarilungo.com http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] deja-vu font on os x
On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 15:48 +0200, Max Neupert wrote: sorry, my post went offlist accidently.. DON'T install fonts by just dropping them into a folder on os x. double click on them and press install or open the type ulitiy to install them properly. i'm curious, why not ? .andre Am 02.05.2007 um 15:28 schrieb Steffen: On 02/05/2007, at 15.06, marius schebella wrote: that is weird! maybe I have a wrong font installed!? I know fuc^H^H^Hnot very much about fonts. I just installed what i got from http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/Download into ~/Library/Fonts/. This is what I've got: $ ls -1 ~/Library/Fonts/ DejaVuSans-Bold.ttf DejaVuSans-BoldOblique.ttf DejaVuSans-ExtraLight.ttf DejaVuSans-Oblique.ttf DejaVuSans.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed-Bold.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed-BoldOblique.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed-Oblique.ttf DejaVuSansCondensed.ttf DejaVuSansMono-Bold.ttf DejaVuSansMono-BoldOblique.ttf DejaVuSansMono-Oblique.ttf DejaVuSansMono.ttf DejaVuSerif-Bold.ttf DejaVuSerif-BoldOblique.ttf DejaVuSerif-Oblique.ttf DejaVuSerif.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed-Bold.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed-BoldOblique.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed-Oblique.ttf DejaVuSerifCondensed.ttf Or are we talking about different systems? I have 10.4.9 on an intel mac. no. same system here. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Writing OSC applications in XUL
On Sat, 2007-04-28 at 15:49 -0400, Stephen Sinclair wrote: Hi, is there a serialization for PD messages inside OSC? for example so one could load a webpage containing some XUL data hosted on padawan's site...it could check for a local PD instance, and shuttle the patch data over and open it.. If I understand you correctly, yes this is something I had in mind. Perhaps it could be used in a firefox extension instead of in a XULrunner app, so that you could browse to a server that hosts your audio interfaces. That would make setting up a networked audio system very nice and easy. I'm not sure how it would work exactly in terms of the Mozilla security architecture, however, since as I understand it, remotely loaded pages can't access XPCOM components. I'm really not an expert with Mozilla, so if anyone has ideas on how to accomplish something like that I'd all ears. yup, thats the same i encountered, if you want to easily connect to XPCOM with mozilla/firefox, you have to do that code as an extension. heres an old test that i made: http://www.osku.de/pd/foo/ff-pd_socket-example.png http://www.osku.de/pd/foo/ff-pd_socket-example.tar.gz Originally I wanted to do this is 100% javascript instead of having to create an XPCOM component, but it seems there is no way to have JS send UDP messages from a XUL app. As far I can tell anyways. here i started to try to make a SVGUI library for XULRunner and PD: http://www.osku.de/pd/libsvgui001.png http://www.osku.de/pd/libsvgui001.tar.gz .andre Steve ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] including a font file with Pd-extended
I didn't have any time to check that on my work Mac, and also forgot to take the old Pismo with me. (I don't own a Mac) But i definitely have Bitstream fonts installed on the iMac and i installed X11 from the install DVD. It's then high likely that i got the Bitstream fonts installed from other Open Source Software like Inkscape or Gimp. (Don't remember what other Open Source Software i installed on that machine) But, what ever. The easiest way (for you and the users) could be what you mentioned. Maybe even with to aliases, for /Library/Fonts and ~/Library/Fonts for the user to choose where to drag. .andre On Thu, 2007-03-29 at 19:15 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I think that is only the X11 from Darwin Ports, the X11 from Apple does not include those fonts. The font in question is Bitstream Vera Sans Mono. .hc On Mar 29, 2007, at 12:53 PM, Andre Schmidt wrote: that would be the other osx way to install stuff ;) btw. are we talking about some particular font ? as the X11 package in OSX contains Bitstream Co fonts, IIRC .andre On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 23:24 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Maybe the Mac OS X .dmg should just include the font file and a link to the Fonts install folder... .hc On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Andre Schmidt wrote: Hi, i got a new job as osx admin (among others) for a while now, and we are using a particular font as corporate design. so to ease my job for new osx clients, i made a .pkg that installs the fonts to /Library/ Fonts. the fonts work rightaway without needing to restart or recache (just like windowsxp) if you dont want to install fonts to system library (eg. you dont want to use admin rights) you can allso install the fonts to ~/Library/ Fonts but the coolest would be to be able to use the fonts from inside the pd dir, without touching any system configs or dirs. but i dont know if thats possible. (like pdf uses embedded fonts, but i assume that pdf doesnt use the system font render system ?) cheers andre On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 00:38 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Good point, Pd-extended is already using an installer on Windows, so it can just install the font in the proper location, %SYSTEMROOT% \Fonts That leaves Mac OS X, which is tricky since it needs to be inside the Mac OS X .app package. .hc On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:14 PM, David Powers wrote: On Windows installing the font with a batch file would be trivial. If you made some file Install.bat it could copy the font to the correct directory, and also run the registry script you currently use, at the same time. ~David On 3/27/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Patco wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : The last step in sorting the cross-platform font issue is finding a way of including the font file for the Windows and Mac OS X packages. Anyone know how to make Tk look for fonts in a specific directory? .hc I don't think you can't do this but it's possible to put a specific font into the X server fonts directory, and doing a font mapping like in this neat tcl-tk application: http://xstick.e-artisan.org/ also you might be interested by this: http://wiki.tcl.tk/470 On Debian and Ubuntu, it'll be very easy to support since the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font is in the package system. I think that font is also included in any GNOME install, so that covers most GNU/ Linux users. The hard part is Windows and Mac OS X. We could require people to install the font seperately, but I'd rather have it just work out of the box. .hc _ __ __ _ _ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com - -- -- --- Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list --- -- --- If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] including a font file with Pd-extended
that would be the other osx way to install stuff ;) btw. are we talking about some particular font ? as the X11 package in OSX contains Bitstream Co fonts, IIRC .andre On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 23:24 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Maybe the Mac OS X .dmg should just include the font file and a link to the Fonts install folder... .hc On Mar 28, 2007, at 2:02 AM, Andre Schmidt wrote: Hi, i got a new job as osx admin (among others) for a while now, and we are using a particular font as corporate design. so to ease my job for new osx clients, i made a .pkg that installs the fonts to /Library/Fonts. the fonts work rightaway without needing to restart or recache (just like windowsxp) if you dont want to install fonts to system library (eg. you dont want to use admin rights) you can allso install the fonts to ~/Library/ Fonts but the coolest would be to be able to use the fonts from inside the pd dir, without touching any system configs or dirs. but i dont know if thats possible. (like pdf uses embedded fonts, but i assume that pdf doesnt use the system font render system ?) cheers andre On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 00:38 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Good point, Pd-extended is already using an installer on Windows, so it can just install the font in the proper location, %SYSTEMROOT% \Fonts That leaves Mac OS X, which is tricky since it needs to be inside the Mac OS X .app package. .hc On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:14 PM, David Powers wrote: On Windows installing the font with a batch file would be trivial. If you made some file Install.bat it could copy the font to the correct directory, and also run the registry script you currently use, at the same time. ~David On 3/27/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Patco wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : The last step in sorting the cross-platform font issue is finding a way of including the font file for the Windows and Mac OS X packages. Anyone know how to make Tk look for fonts in a specific directory? .hc I don't think you can't do this but it's possible to put a specific font into the X server fonts directory, and doing a font mapping like in this neat tcl-tk application: http://xstick.e-artisan.org/ also you might be interested by this: http://wiki.tcl.tk/470 On Debian and Ubuntu, it'll be very easy to support since the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font is in the package system. I think that font is also included in any GNOME install, so that covers most GNU/ Linux users. The hard part is Windows and Mac OS X. We could require people to install the font seperately, but I'd rather have it just work out of the box. .hc ___ __ _ _ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com --- -- --- Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list - --- If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] including a font file with Pd-extended
Hi, i got a new job as osx admin (among others) for a while now, and we are using a particular font as corporate design. so to ease my job for new osx clients, i made a .pkg that installs the fonts to /Library/Fonts. the fonts work rightaway without needing to restart or recache (just like windowsxp) if you dont want to install fonts to system library (eg. you dont want to use admin rights) you can allso install the fonts to ~/Library/Fonts but the coolest would be to be able to use the fonts from inside the pd dir, without touching any system configs or dirs. but i dont know if thats possible. (like pdf uses embedded fonts, but i assume that pdf doesnt use the system font render system ?) cheers andre On Wed, 2007-03-28 at 00:38 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Good point, Pd-extended is already using an installer on Windows, so it can just install the font in the proper location, %SYSTEMROOT%\Fonts That leaves Mac OS X, which is tricky since it needs to be inside the Mac OS X .app package. .hc On Mar 27, 2007, at 6:14 PM, David Powers wrote: On Windows installing the font with a batch file would be trivial. If you made some file Install.bat it could copy the font to the correct directory, and also run the registry script you currently use, at the same time. ~David On 3/27/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 27, 2007, at 12:05 PM, Patco wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : The last step in sorting the cross-platform font issue is finding a way of including the font file for the Windows and Mac OS X packages. Anyone know how to make Tk look for fonts in a specific directory? .hc I don't think you can't do this but it's possible to put a specific font into the X server fonts directory, and doing a font mapping like in this neat tcl-tk application: http://xstick.e-artisan.org/ also you might be interested by this: http://wiki.tcl.tk/470 On Debian and Ubuntu, it'll be very easy to support since the Bitstream Vera Sans Mono font is in the package system. I think that font is also included in any GNOME install, so that covers most GNU/ Linux users. The hard part is Windows and Mac OS X. We could require people to install the font seperately, but I'd rather have it just work out of the box. .hc _ _ _ Yahoo! Mail réinvente le mail ! Découvrez le nouveau Yahoo! Mail et son interface révolutionnaire. http://fr.mail.yahoo.com - --- Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] render pd files
i would love to see improvements/other ideas! im a big fan of open source, so everything i create is/will be open source (was just too lazy to write that down ;) so please, hack away! :) cheers andre On Mon, 2007-02-05 at 08:34 +, Jamie Bullock wrote: On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 19:11 +0100, Andre Schmidt wrote: ps. more fun for gecko1.8 based programs (svg+javascript) http://osku.de/svg/gui-examples/ made with xulrunner in mind (cause using middle and right mouse button) That's really nice. Do you mind if people use/modify/hack for their own purposes? Jamie ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] render pd files
*doh*, i was browsing my homepage with ftp and found an old screenshot http://osku.de/pd/foo/screenshot-pd-php-render.png it seems i did more than i thought... i wonder if i can find the source code some where on my backup discs... but the drawbacks still apply... cheers andre On Fri, 2007-02-02 at 19:11 +0100, Andre Schmidt wrote: Hi, you may be remembering this*: http://osku.de/foo/pd_on_ff-canvas_001.html just a test, doesnt really render pd patches... but could be that i mentioned (that i wanted) to do a pd to png converter with php, but that would have been too much work, as you would have to do somekind of database/algorithm for knowing what objects have how many inputs and outputs (without using pd)... and yes, my page is just a place holder im lazy and busy at work ;) cheers andre *needs firefox1.5+ (or gecko1.8+ based browser) ps. more fun for gecko1.8 based programs (svg+javascript) http://osku.de/svg/gui-examples/ made with xulrunner in mind (cause using middle and right mouse button) On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 21:25 -0500, carmen wrote: On Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 09:46:56AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:46 PM, Jeff Sandys wrote: Is there a way to render a .pd file to make a printable graphic besides loading the file into PD? On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 07:56:53PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ctrl-P/Cmd-P, or File-Print on the menu, makes a Postscript file from your patch. I wonder if it's possible to start pd with -nogui and send a message with -send to accomplish the same thing? That would be really nice for making web pages showing off Pd abstractions. nope, since Tk is required to render the PS theres already read-only PHP libs to render PD patches to SVG for browser display. check osku.de Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] render pd files
Hi, you may be remembering this*: http://osku.de/foo/pd_on_ff-canvas_001.html just a test, doesnt really render pd patches... but could be that i mentioned (that i wanted) to do a pd to png converter with php, but that would have been too much work, as you would have to do somekind of database/algorithm for knowing what objects have how many inputs and outputs (without using pd)... and yes, my page is just a place holder im lazy and busy at work ;) cheers andre *needs firefox1.5+ (or gecko1.8+ based browser) ps. more fun for gecko1.8 based programs (svg+javascript) http://osku.de/svg/gui-examples/ made with xulrunner in mind (cause using middle and right mouse button) On Thu, 2007-02-01 at 21:25 -0500, carmen wrote: On Fri Feb 02, 2007 at 09:46:56AM +0800, Chris McCormick wrote: On Feb 1, 2007, at 10:46 PM, Jeff Sandys wrote: Is there a way to render a .pd file to make a printable graphic besides loading the file into PD? On Thu, Feb 01, 2007 at 07:56:53PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ctrl-P/Cmd-P, or File-Print on the menu, makes a Postscript file from your patch. I wonder if it's possible to start pd with -nogui and send a message with -send to accomplish the same thing? That would be really nice for making web pages showing off Pd abstractions. nope, since Tk is required to render the PS theres already read-only PHP libs to render PD patches to SVG for browser display. check osku.de Best, Chris. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
