[PD] Released rhizome v0.1 : web server for participative performances and installations.
Hi all! I just open-sourced a web server we used to do some participative sound performances. I thought some of you might find it interesting. More info on the github page : https://github.com/sebpiq/rhizome Cheers, -- *Sébastien Piquemal* -* @sebpiq* - http://github.com/sebpiq - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [WebPd] Status update
it takes me 15 or 20 years to get anything done. Hopefully it will take me less than that :) WebPd was simple to get just working, but getting it working fast on top of Web audio API is another story. That's why it has taken so much time. A lot of trying out things, a lot of trash, ... but I think I'm on the right path now :) I hope Chris's original work is preserved so that things like this can be easy to learn. didn't get what this means. 2013/11/3 Billy Stiltner billy.stilt...@gmail.com I hope Chris's original work is preserved so that things like this can be easy to learn. re slowly it takes me 15 or 20 years to get anything done. On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 12:38 PM, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Slowly, slowly ... :) 2013/10/28 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cool to see this progressing! .hc On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:23 AM, s p wrote: For those interested in WebPd, here is a short status update about the project : http://funktion.fm/#post/webpd-refactor Cheers! -- *Sébastien Piquemal* -* @sebpiq* - http://github.com/sebpiq - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- *Sébastien Piquemal * -* @sebpiq* - http://github.com/sebpiq - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- *Sébastien Piquemal* -* @sebpiq* - http://github.com/sebpiq - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] audio output AND input with the Rpi?
Same here ... I tried with 2 different usb interfaces, and I got no luck. In both cases I got some sound input, but there is a lot of popping sounds. 2013/10/28 Chris Jack christopherdanielj...@gmail.com Hey folks, Apologies as this post is not strictly about Pd, though Pd will be a crucial part of my final setup so whatever solution I find ought to work with Pd. Also, there is a chance the issue might lie with Pd. I just don't know. I'm looking for a usb bus-powered audio interface for the Rpi that can take a stereo input and provide stereo output *at the same time.* * * I have tried a couple different images and a couple different audio interfaces, to no avail. Perhaps there's something can be done with one of these setups to get it working? First, the Pd-LA custom Raspian (v1) image and Pd 43.2: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100khz): Alsamixer picks the device up but the input section shows nothing. Pd (gui) audio preferences allows selection of the interface for both input and output. Output only is lovely and clean but as soon as the device is selected for audio input the audio quality drops horrendously (vaguely recognisable from the original signal).. ..although what gives me hope is I CAN software monitor the input (poorly) in 'Test Audio and MIDI' with this arrangement. ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 48000khz): Output only in Pd is poor (beating and popping sound - possibly sounds like a samp rate conversion issue). When device is selected as Pd input software monitoring is possible and oddly, though the result is still poor, there is effectively no drop in quality from having the device selected only for output and the monitored signal sounds drastically better than at 44100khz. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and only the output is selected in Pd it works but with a lot of jitter. Selecting the device for input too causes a further drop in audio quality although again I can software monitor the input in 'Test Audio and MIDI' If plugged in after boot the OS crashes. The Satellite CCRMA (operating via ssh) and Pd-extended: ..with Behringer UCA202 (at 44100 and 48000): Alsamixer picks the device up but again the input section shows nothing. If I have the device plugged in from boot then I get the same behaviour with it as I do in Pd vanilla on the Pd-LA Raspian image, ie. software input monitoring but at an extremely poor quality. If I don't plug the device in from boot I see it in Pd audio prefs but get this: ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): No such file or directory from the Pd terminal and this ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card ALSA lib pcm_hw.c:1401:(_snd_pcm_hw_open) Invalid value for card oops: ALSA cards not reported in order? from the ssh terminal. ..with Turtle Beach Amigo II* (at 44100khz): Alsamixer shows both input and output and allows to change gain of both. If plugged in from boot and then only output selected in Pd I get clean audio out. If I try to select the Turtle Beach as audio inout in Pd then Pd stalls indefinitely when I try to 'Test Audio and MIDI' or make anything in a patch. Same direct input monitoring by default. Also get ALSA input error (snd_pcm_open): Device or resource busy ALSA output error (snd_pcm_open): Device or resource busy from the Pd terminal if I don't have it plugged in from boot, though no message in ssh terminal. *It also appears that by default the Turtle Beach does direct input monitoring of some sorts, the output stage sending out a clean copy of whatever signal is going into the input stage whenever the device is plugged into a usb port. With the Pd-LA image this occurred simultaneously while input monitoring in Pd. I guess this is part of the design of the Turtle Beach, though their documentation is devoid of any useful info regards this. If this is the case then this ain't the sound card for me, though clearly some might find this a very useful feature. Just to give a bit more info about what I'm attempting: I wish to run the stereo input from the Turtle Beach through Pd, play with the audio signal using data from an accelerometer (not nearly there yet) and then send the audio out through the Turtle Beach's stereo output. Apologies for the essay. Hopefully my findings are useful for others and hopefully I can get my rig working! Help muchly appreciated. I've probably left out some crucial bit of info so please shout me if I have! Cheers, Chris Jack. Chris Jack *art/research* http://itsmrjack.com/ *discus jockeying/sound art* http://soundcloud.com/itsmrjack/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- *Sébastien
Re: [PD] [WebPd] Status update
Slowly, slowly ... :) 2013/10/28 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Cool to see this progressing! .hc On Oct 23, 2013, at 10:23 AM, s p wrote: For those interested in WebPd, here is a short status update about the project : http://funktion.fm/#post/webpd-refactor Cheers! -- *Sébastien Piquemal * * ** *-* @sebpiq* -* *http://github.com/sebpiq* * - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- *Sébastien Piquemal * * ** *-* @sebpiq* -* *http://github.com/sebpiq* * - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [WebPd] Status update
For those interested in WebPd, here is a short status update about the project : http://funktion.fm/#post/webpd-refactor Cheers! -- *Sébastien Piquemal * * ** *-* @sebpiq* -* *http://github.com/sebpiq* * - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Building portable instruments with Pd and Raspberry Pi workshop
Hi all, We just finished the first run of our workshop Building portable instruments with Pd and Raspberry Pi in Riga. Here is a cut of the jam we did to show case the work done by participants : https://vimeo.com/76307579 More info about the whole event here : http://www.cc4av.info/en/events/ It was really fun, and I hope to repeat this soon. So if anybody is interested in inviting us, please let me know!!! -- *Sébastien Piquemal * * ** *-* @sebpiq* -* *http://github.com/sebpiq* * - http://funktion.fm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Cannot get [hid] to work properly with my mouse
Well ... I mean at least mac + linux ! For some reason when I mean that something can run everywhere I always forget windows :) same when I do webdev ... I usually completely forget about internet explorer... 2013/9/24 Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com On 23/09/13 20:10, s p wrote: The patch I am doing is for a workshop, so I'd like to be platform independent... But thanks for the tip anyways! platform independent plus using input is going to be quite limited, since under the surface there will be quite different implementations per platform in any cross platform object or environment ... which may or may not be consistent. Of course with simpler and more abstracted data you may have more luck. Simon __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Cannot get [hid] to work properly with my mouse
Hi! I am trying to use [hid] on pd vanilla and Ubuntu. Ideally, I would like to use the mouse as a fader on Y axis : when I move the mouse, the fader moves accordingly, when the mouse doesn't move the fader stays in the same position. Problem is, I can get only relative Y, and relative Y seems to keep sending the value (1 or -1) from the last move, even if you don't move at all. So basically it is impossible to detect that the mouse is not moving. Is there a workaround this issue? Sebastien Piquemal ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Cannot get [hid] to work properly with my mouse
Yep, I tried that already, but that doesn't work if you move the mouse slowly. 2013/9/23 James Dunn ja...@4thharmonic.com What about [change]? Quoth s p, on 23/09/2013 11:12: Hi! I am trying to use [hid] on pd vanilla and Ubuntu. Ideally, I would like to use the mouse as a fader on Y axis : when I move the mouse, the fader moves accordingly, when the mouse doesn't move the fader stays in the same position. Problem is, I can get only relative Y, and relative Y seems to keep sending the value (1 or -1) from the last move, even if you don't move at all. So basically it is impossible to detect that the mouse is not moving. Is there a workaround this issue? Sebastien Piquemal ___pd-l...@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Cannot get [hid] to work properly with my mouse
The patch I am doing is for a workshop, so I'd like to be platform independent... But thanks for the tip anyways! 2013/9/23 James Dunn ja...@4thharmonic.com Yes I see what you mean. If you are on linux you could try [linuxevent] from here: http://at.or.at/hans/pd/hid.html I use this on Arch due to this bug: http://sourceforge.net/p/pure-data/bugs/889/ [linuxevent] has finger detection so you can use this to gate the data stream. Quoth s p, on 23/09/2013 12:29: Yep, I tried that already, but that doesn't work if you move the mouse slowly. 2013/9/23 James Dunn ja...@4thharmonic.com What about [change]? Quoth s p, on 23/09/2013 11:12: Hi! I am trying to use [hid] on pd vanilla and Ubuntu. Ideally, I would like to use the mouse as a fader on Y axis : when I move the mouse, the fader moves accordingly, when the mouse doesn't move the fader stays in the same position. Problem is, I can get only relative Y, and relative Y seems to keep sending the value (1 or -1) from the last move, even if you don't move at all. So basically it is impossible to detect that the mouse is not moving. Is there a workaround this issue? Sebastien Piquemal ___pd-l...@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd2png : screenshots of patchs
SVG is even more cross-plateform, and more importantly it is supported by web browsers, you can use javascript to edit it and you can use css to style it. That could be the stem for a new pd GUI. 2013/5/15 Abel Jérôme abel.jer...@free.fr Hi, GridFlow has a Pd patch to take screenshots of other Pd patches using X11 (so: GNU/Linux, BSD, etc, possibly OS X, unlikely to work on Windows) which works for really tall patches Yes, you're right, I saw this idea in gridflow. I will try it. Well ... basically to me the way to go is really with SVG as a starting point. Because once you have SVG, you can use one of hundred different tools to convert to PNG, JPG or any image format you can dream of With inkscape you can convert .ps into .svg : inkscape pd.ps --export-plain-svg=pd.svg I don't know if we can command Pd to print patchs in .ps (in a command line). It could strong and cross-platform. Jerome __**_ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/** listinfo/pd-list http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd - svg
And what about the console? Any error there? 2013/5/6 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com From: s p seb...@gmail.com To: Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 5:05 PM Subject: Re: [PD] pd - svg i.e. is kind of out of my radar ... but for sure I should test with it some day. With my firefox it works fine. What do you mean by it fails? Do you get anything at all? Or is the graph cropped or something? I get two horizontal dividers and the text Loading... -Jonathan 2013/5/5 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com From: s p seb...@gmail.com To: Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [PD] pd - svg Also, I put this library together a little while ago, as a part of WebPd : https://github.com/sebpiq/pd-fileutils It should work out of the box, converting pd patch to SVG Thanks. The demo below fails to load properly on Firefox and IE (whatever version on windows 7) http://sebpiq.github.io/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 2013/5/5 philippe boisnard philem...@mac.com Hi an example to create html/svg from pd cheers p Le 5 mai 2013 à 10:53, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Used can2svg from Mats Bengtsson and got a nice result. You can open it in a browser, zoom it, select text. It's about 3x larger than pd file. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to parse and turn most of the pddplinks into real links. What happened to pdpedia? If it's still around maybe I can script this to do all the pd-ext help files and make a nice online resource. It'd probably be more powerful to parse pd files directly to svg but that's a bigger project. -Jonathan - Original Message - From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com To: PD List pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [PD] pd - svg A few points: * you can open svg in a browser * you can _zoom_ svg in a browser for decent results (it's a vector drawing) * in safari you can select text in an svg (but not Firefox because of a bug, although you can stil ctrl-c it) * much (but not all) of tk canvas has corresponding drawing instructions in svg. unless i'm missing something the subset of tk canvas commands used by Pd all have corresponding instructions in svg Here's what I want to do (in Debian Wheezy): 1) Open pd-extended 2) Create new patch 3) Create [f] 4) Right click to open up float-help.pd (PDDP revised version) 5) Click print and save to test.ps 6) in cli type: pstoedit -f plot-svg test.ps test.svg But I get this error: Warning: glyf overlaps cmap, truncating. Anyone know what this means? It ends up cropping the top and bottom of the patch. Google search for the error doesn't help much. In the future it'd probably be better to parse a *.pd file directly to convert to svg, but if I can convert a ps to svg like this I think I can script it and get some nice looking online searchable documentation with very little work. :) -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list float-help.svg___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd - svg
Also, I put this library together a little while ago, as a part of WebPd : https://github.com/sebpiq/pd-fileutils It should work out of the box, converting pd patch to SVG 2013/5/5 philippe boisnard philem...@mac.com Hi an example to create html/svg from pd cheers p Le 5 mai 2013 à 10:53, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Used can2svg from Mats Bengtsson and got a nice result. You can open it in a browser, zoom it, select text. It's about 3x larger than pd file. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to parse and turn most of the pddplinks into real links. What happened to pdpedia? If it's still around maybe I can script this to do all the pd-ext help files and make a nice online resource. It'd probably be more powerful to parse pd files directly to svg but that's a bigger project. -Jonathan - Original Message - From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com To: PD List pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [PD] pd - svg A few points: * you can open svg in a browser * you can _zoom_ svg in a browser for decent results (it's a vector drawing) * in safari you can select text in an svg (but not Firefox because of a bug, although you can stil ctrl-c it) * much (but not all) of tk canvas has corresponding drawing instructions in svg. unless i'm missing something the subset of tk canvas commands used by Pd all have corresponding instructions in svg Here's what I want to do (in Debian Wheezy): 1) Open pd-extended 2) Create new patch 3) Create [f] 4) Right click to open up float-help.pd (PDDP revised version) 5) Click print and save to test.ps 6) in cli type: pstoedit -f plot-svg test.ps test.svg But I get this error: Warning: glyf overlaps cmap, truncating. Anyone know what this means? It ends up cropping the top and bottom of the patch. Google search for the error doesn't help much. In the future it'd probably be better to parse a *.pd file directly to convert to svg, but if I can convert a ps to svg like this I think I can script it and get some nice looking online searchable documentation with very little work. :) -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list float-help.svg___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd - svg
i.e. is kind of out of my radar ... but for sure I should test with it some day. With my firefox it works fine. What do you mean by it fails? Do you get anything at all? Or is the graph cropped or something? 2013/5/5 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com From: s p seb...@gmail.com To: Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [PD] pd - svg Also, I put this library together a little while ago, as a part of WebPd : https://github.com/sebpiq/pd-fileutils It should work out of the box, converting pd patch to SVG Thanks. The demo below fails to load properly on Firefox and IE (whatever version on windows 7) http://sebpiq.github.io/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 2013/5/5 philippe boisnard philem...@mac.com Hi an example to create html/svg from pd cheers p Le 5 mai 2013 à 10:53, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Used can2svg from Mats Bengtsson and got a nice result. You can open it in a browser, zoom it, select text. It's about 3x larger than pd file. Probably wouldn't be too difficult to parse and turn most of the pddplinks into real links. What happened to pdpedia? If it's still around maybe I can script this to do all the pd-ext help files and make a nice online resource. It'd probably be more powerful to parse pd files directly to svg but that's a bigger project. -Jonathan - Original Message - From: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com To: PD List pd-list@iem.at Cc: Sent: Friday, May 3, 2013 1:40 PM Subject: [PD] pd - svg A few points: * you can open svg in a browser * you can _zoom_ svg in a browser for decent results (it's a vector drawing) * in safari you can select text in an svg (but not Firefox because of a bug, although you can stil ctrl-c it) * much (but not all) of tk canvas has corresponding drawing instructions in svg. unless i'm missing something the subset of tk canvas commands used by Pd all have corresponding instructions in svg Here's what I want to do (in Debian Wheezy): 1) Open pd-extended 2) Create new patch 3) Create [f] 4) Right click to open up float-help.pd (PDDP revised version) 5) Click print and save to test.ps 6) in cli type: pstoedit -f plot-svg test.ps test.svg But I get this error: Warning: glyf overlaps cmap, truncating. Anyone know what this means? It ends up cropping the top and bottom of the patch. Google search for the error doesn't help much. In the future it'd probably be better to parse a *.pd file directly to convert to svg, but if I can convert a ps to svg like this I think I can script it and get some nice looking online searchable documentation with very little work. :) -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list float-help.svg___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency
Or you could try a different approach. Instead of streaming the audio, generate it client-side ... example, this performance that I did last week-end with WebPd : https://vimeo.com/64514693 2013/4/25 august aug...@alien.mur.at Onyx, Interesting idea. What kind of threshold are you looking for regarding latency? I assume this would be for a local network, right? If I were you, I would first try to fine-tune your current setup by getting all latency variables as low as possible (icecast, pd+oggcast~, and the html audio player). ICECAST: There should be config settings for it where you can manage the buffering/latency. Usually buffering/latency is good for streaming media since you never know what will happen on the network. oggcast~ : I'm guessing it is as low as it can go right now, but there may be an internal buffer that you can adjust/downsize. HTML audio player: Most importantly, in the HTML, you should check to make sure that the audio is not buffering. My guess is that this is where you are experiencing the largest latency. Since HTML5 is a moving target, I'm not sure how you would currently do that. May not even be possible. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Element/audio ... Then, if the above didn't work, you might try to hook up the output of a TCP netsend to a websocket and then translate the audio data chunks into JS Audio. UDP won't work on websockets AFAIK. best -august. o...@onyx-ashanti.com say: Greetings! I hope all is well with you. I wanted to ask if i might gain some of your insight on a project i am undertaking. I am currently attempting to stream my audio into html5 capable web browsers of smartphones. i have created a local network and installed nginx as my webserver. i and a friend got everything working with the oggcast~ and mp3cast~ objects and the icecast 2 server, but the latency was horrific-5-15seconds. I would like to investigate the idea of taking advantage of the plugin-less nature of these modern fast browsers and pipe the audio directly into it as directly as possible the same way voip works but lower bandwidth and only one way. I see that udpsend~ can do alot of what i think i want, but i am confused as to how i might connect it with the audio socket in the client browser (if socket is even the right term). Any insight would be greatly appreciated. and if i get it working, as before, i will document the findings in a step by step once it works. thank y cheers! Onyx -- www.onyx-ashanti.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://aug.ment.org GPG: 0A8D 2BC7 243D 57D0 469D 9736 C557 458F 003E 6952 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] direct connection from pd to webrowser, low latency
WebPd isn't able to deal with really heavy patches. In fact that performance was running the biggest patch I've ever tried with it, you can judge by yourself whether that's heavy : https://gist.github.com/sebpiq/5462949 I would say the biggest problem with WebPd right now is its lack of objects. You have to be very minimalistic when composing :) The only latency there is the messages that you server sends to the client running WebPd. I couldn't tell you how much that is. 2013/4/25 o...@onyx-ashanti.com onyxasha...@gmail.com cool video. I dont know if my synthesis and performance system would work from a server and if it did, i doubt i would get the 2-5ms latency i am comfortably getting now. is webpd able to deal with heavy patches? the idea sounds interesting. what is the realtime latency of webpd in real terms?it might be cool, if the latency is controllable and if it can scale with evolving complexity. thanks! On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 10:03 PM, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Or you could try a different approach. Instead of streaming the audio, generate it client-side ... example, this performance that I did last week-end with WebPd : https://vimeo.com/64514693 2013/4/25 august aug...@alien.mur.at Onyx, Interesting idea. What kind of threshold are you looking for regarding latency? I assume this would be for a local network, right? If I were you, I would first try to fine-tune your current setup by getting all latency variables as low as possible (icecast, pd+oggcast~, and the html audio player). ICECAST: There should be config settings for it where you can manage the buffering/latency. Usually buffering/latency is good for streaming media since you never know what will happen on the network. oggcast~ : I'm guessing it is as low as it can go right now, but there may be an internal buffer that you can adjust/downsize. HTML audio player: Most importantly, in the HTML, you should check to make sure that the audio is not buffering. My guess is that this is where you are experiencing the largest latency. Since HTML5 is a moving target, I'm not sure how you would currently do that. May not even be possible. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/HTML/Element/audio ... Then, if the above didn't work, you might try to hook up the output of a TCP netsend to a websocket and then translate the audio data chunks into JS Audio. UDP won't work on websockets AFAIK. best -august. o...@onyx-ashanti.com say: Greetings! I hope all is well with you. I wanted to ask if i might gain some of your insight on a project i am undertaking. I am currently attempting to stream my audio into html5 capable web browsers of smartphones. i have created a local network and installed nginx as my webserver. i and a friend got everything working with the oggcast~ and mp3cast~ objects and the icecast 2 server, but the latency was horrific-5-15seconds. I would like to investigate the idea of taking advantage of the plugin-less nature of these modern fast browsers and pipe the audio directly into it as directly as possible the same way voip works but lower bandwidth and only one way. I see that udpsend~ can do alot of what i think i want, but i am confused as to how i might connect it with the audio socket in the client browser (if socket is even the right term). Any insight would be greatly appreciated. and if i get it working, as before, i will document the findings in a step by step once it works. thank y cheers! Onyx -- www.onyx-ashanti.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://aug.ment.org GPG: 0A8D 2BC7 243D 57D0 469D 9736 C557 458F 003E 6952 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- www.onyx-ashanti.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [pd-fileutils], [WebPd] : online drone generator
Hi all! Here is a demo I just finished, to show how you can use [pd-fileutils] as a tool to generate Pd patches programmatically. http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/randomDrone.html Enjoy! And don't hesitate to ask for more details ... Sébastien Piquemal pd-fileutils on github : https://github.com/sebpiq/pd-fileutils webpd on github : https://github.com/sebpiq/WebPd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
Hi Jamie, The audio is not streamed to the browser! WebPd is an implementation of Pure Data in JavaScript, so the browser itself produces the sound (link here : https://github.com/sebpiq/WebPd) . Since a couple of years, thanks to a new standard called Web Audio API, it is pretty easy to achieve in Firefox, Chrome and Safari. The performance is actually surprisingly good!!! The graph editor project is called dataflow and is made by Forrest Oliphant, link here : https://github.com/meemoo/dataflow It is all JavaScript as well. 2013/3/4 Jamie Bullock ja...@jamiebullock.com On 1 Mar 2013, at 15:34, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I've had a crappy demo of patching in the browser running for quite a while now : http://funktion.fm/webpd/demos/simple-gui/simple-gui.html It works (not so well in Firefox, but in chromium it's fine). Wow! That's impressive, when I saw this thread I was just expecting a patcher, but you've actually got audio streaming back to the browser. How are you achieving that? A friend of mine is developing a generic graph editor for dataflow programming, and I've been planning to migrate to this forever now, but didn't have the time ... Do you have a link to that project? best, Jamie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
Yes! It uses sink.js! But sink.js uses WebAudio API when it can. The synthesis is made in JavaScript, not in Audio API (yet!). However, I have big plans of refactoring the whole stuff to be all Web Audio API! I started `pd-fileutils` as part of this refactor : I want to separate components to make maintenance easier. But the Web Audio API version is coming, probably in 3-4 months. If somebody wanna help, they are welcome :) it's quite a lot of work for me alone. All mentioned in roadmap are implemented (at least partly), except [adc~]. You can check out implemented objects here : http://funktion.fm/webpd/demos/simple-gui/simple-gui.html 2013/3/5 Scott R. Looney scottrloo...@gmail.com hey sebi - is this the one using WebAudio and not sink.js? also do you have [lop~ ] and [tabread4~] and the others you mentioned on the roadmap implemented? scott On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 1:28 PM, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jamie, The audio is not streamed to the browser! WebPd is an implementation of Pure Data in JavaScript, so the browser itself produces the sound (link here : https://github.com/sebpiq/WebPd) . Since a couple of years, thanks to a new standard called Web Audio API, it is pretty easy to achieve in Firefox, Chrome and Safari. The performance is actually surprisingly good!!! The graph editor project is called dataflow and is made by Forrest Oliphant, link here : https://github.com/meemoo/dataflow It is all JavaScript as well. 2013/3/4 Jamie Bullock ja...@jamiebullock.com On 1 Mar 2013, at 15:34, s p seb...@gmail.com wrote: Actually I've had a crappy demo of patching in the browser running for quite a while now : http://funktion.fm/webpd/demos/simple-gui/simple-gui.html It works (not so well in Firefox, but in chromium it's fine). Wow! That's impressive, when I saw this thread I was just expecting a patcher, but you've actually got audio streaming back to the browser. How are you achieving that? A friend of mine is developing a generic graph editor for dataflow programming, and I've been planning to migrate to this forever now, but didn't have the time ... Do you have a link to that project? best, Jamie ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
No there's no controls at the moment (other than this ugly message box). My priority is more on the engine than the GUI. At the moment I am about to start a big refactoring when I find the time, because I would like WebPd to use Web Audio API. That's also why I am separating components, because I don't like to have a monolithic library ... I thought something like a file parser could be useful to other people as well :) But sure I'll start to send updates once in a while here. I am still working on the SVG rendering of the pd files, soon I have all the controls implemented, I'll post when that is done. I think it would be cool to have a place to post a patch, without having to take a screenshot of it. What do you think? 2013/3/1 Rich E reakina...@gmail.com Yea this is really nice, glad you got the proof of concept working! Is there a number box? Couldn't find it. Please keep us all posted.. On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Wow, that's impressive, it actually works! Rough, yes, but working. .hc On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:34 AM, s p wrote: Actually I've had a crappy demo of patching in the browser running for quite a while now : http://funktion.fm/webpd/demos/simple-gui/simple-gui.html It works (not so well in Firefox, but in chromium it's fine). A friend of mine is developing a generic graph editor for dataflow programming, and I've been planning to migrate to this forever now, but didn't have the time ... 2013/2/28 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Very nice :) I'd love to see full-on Pd patching in the browser :) .hc On 02/28/2013 02:02 AM, s p wrote: Sorry for the spam ... problems with gmail and html, the url is : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=GISTID 2013/2/28 s p seb...@gmail.com oops, ... I meant : 2) Go to this url (replace GISTID by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist= http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 GISTID 2013/2/28 s p seb...@gmail.com For example, here's one goodie brought by `pd-fileutils` : 1) Paste a patch to gist : https://gist.github.com/ 2) Go to this url (replace gistId by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist= http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 gistId And your patch should be rendered to SVG. You can then send this link to anybody to show your patch :) Of course for now the SVG rendering is super crappy, but I am working on it, so it should be better very soon. Cheers, Sébastien ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
Actually I've had a crappy demo of patching in the browser running for quite a while now : http://funktion.fm/webpd/demos/simple-gui/simple-gui.html It works (not so well in Firefox, but in chromium it's fine). A friend of mine is developing a generic graph editor for dataflow programming, and I've been planning to migrate to this forever now, but didn't have the time ... 2013/2/28 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Very nice :) I'd love to see full-on Pd patching in the browser :) .hc On 02/28/2013 02:02 AM, s p wrote: Sorry for the spam ... problems with gmail and html, the url is : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=GISTID 2013/2/28 s p seb...@gmail.com oops, ... I meant : 2) Go to this url (replace GISTID by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist= http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 GISTID 2013/2/28 s p seb...@gmail.com For example, here's one goodie brought by `pd-fileutils` : 1) Paste a patch to gist : https://gist.github.com/ 2) Go to this url (replace gistId by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist= http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 gistId And your patch should be rendered to SVG. You can then send this link to anybody to show your patch :) Of course for now the SVG rendering is super crappy, but I am working on it, so it should be better very soon. Cheers, Sébastien ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
For example, here's one goodie brought by `pd-fileutils` : 1) Paste a patch to gist : https://gist.github.com/ 2) Go to this url (replace gistId by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 gistId And your patch should be rendered to SVG. You can then send this link to anybody to show your patch :) Of course for now the SVG rendering is super crappy, but I am working on it, so it should be better very soon. Cheers, Sébastien ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
oops, ... I meant : 2) Go to this url (replace GISTID by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 GISTID 2013/2/28 s p seb...@gmail.com For example, here's one goodie brought by `pd-fileutils` : 1) Paste a patch to gist : https://gist.github.com/ 2) Go to this url (replace gistId by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 gistId And your patch should be rendered to SVG. You can then send this link to anybody to show your patch :) Of course for now the SVG rendering is super crappy, but I am working on it, so it should be better very soon. Cheers, Sébastien ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
Sorry for the spam ... problems with gmail and html, the url is : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=GISTID 2013/2/28 s p seb...@gmail.com oops, ... I meant : 2) Go to this url (replace GISTID by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 GISTID 2013/2/28 s p seb...@gmail.com For example, here's one goodie brought by `pd-fileutils` : 1) Paste a patch to gist : https://gist.github.com/ 2) Go to this url (replace gistId by your gist id) : http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=http://sebpiq.github.com/pd-fileutils/?gist=5054711 gistId And your patch should be rendered to SVG. You can then send this link to anybody to show your patch :) Of course for now the SVG rendering is super crappy, but I am working on it, so it should be better very soon. Cheers, Sébastien ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
Hi all! I am pleased to announce that I just released the first working version of pd-fileutils (https://github.com/sebpiq/pd-fileutils) which is a node.js package and a command-line tool for fiddling with pd files. Right now, the command-line tool only allows you to render .pd files to SVG, but expect more functionalities in the future (I am open to suggestions). If you know JavaScript and node.js, you can also use the API for scripting operations with your pd files. Right now, it can only parse .pd files to a standard JavaScript object, which you can then manipulate easily with JavaScript. This library is a by-product of the WebPd project ( https://github.com/sebpiq/WebPd), which aims at running Pure Data patches on the browser. It is also a proposal for an alternative file format for Pure Data, based on JSON. There was a discussion about that on pd-dev : http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2012-06/018436.html and I would like to start it again ;) Cheers! Sébastien Piquemal PS : there will definitely be bugs, so don't hesitate to report them :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] [pd-fileutils] released, a command-line tool for managing pd files
Hi all! I am pleased to announce that I just released the first working version of pd-fileutils (https://github.com/sebpiq/pd-fileutils) which is a node.js package and a command-line tool for fiddling with pd files. Right now, the command-line tool only allows you to render .pd files to SVG, but expect more functionalities in the future (I am open to suggestions). If you know JavaScript and node.js, you can also use the API for scripting operations with your pd files. Right now, it can only parse .pd files to a standard JavaScript object, which you can then manipulate easily with JavaScript. This library is a by-product of the WebPd project ( https://github.com/sebpiq/WebPd), which aims at running Pure Data patches on the browser. It is also a proposal for an alternative file format for Pure Data, based on JSON. There was a discussion about that on pd-dev : http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-dev/2012-06/018436.html and I would like to start it again ;) Cheers! Sébastien Piquemal PS : there will definitely be bugs, so don't hesitate to report them :) ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
