Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
You can add a redirect page for that translation, instead of changing every page. basically create a new page [[XX:vanilla]] and then add this text to that page: #redirect [[Category:vanilla]] .hc On Nov 29, 2007, at 11:32 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Problem solved. When the pages were imported from the original English page, the line [[Category:vanilla]] in all pages were replaced with [[XX:vanilla]] where XX is the translated term for 'Category'. This should have remained untranslated for MediaWiki to parse properly and add that page to the category it claimed to belong to. Thanks for all the help though. Now I feel comfortable to start seeking volunteers to start working on pages :) -- David Shimamoto On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it. In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner. Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work. Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior. Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might try a mediawiki forum. .hc -- David Shimamoto .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, I figure only the page names are copied. One last question if before I start adding text.. I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as, http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from? -- David Shimamoto Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the English link on the lower left of each page. .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass --- After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example, http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language. Any ideas? -- David Shimamoto On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
On Nov 29, 2007, at 12:24 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it. In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner. Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work. Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior. Yeah, you are the first working with multi-byte characters. The Chinese and Japanese wikipedia sites are pretty large, so I think that multi-byte characters should work fine. I don't think any of us are experts in MediaWiki, the software used for Pdpedia. You might try a mediawiki forum. .hc -- David Shimamoto .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, I figure only the page names are copied. One last question if before I start adding text.. I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as, http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from? -- David Shimamoto Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the English link on the lower left of each page. .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass --- After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example, http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language. Any ideas? -- David Shimamoto On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet.
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
Hans, Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass --- After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example, http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language. Any ideas? -- David Shimamoto On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list The arc of
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
Hey, Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the English link on the lower left of each page. .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass --- After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example, http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language. Any ideas? -- David Shimamoto On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- - Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
Hans, Ok, I figure only the page names are copied. One last question if before I start adding text.. I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as, http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from? -- David Shimamoto Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the English link on the lower left of each page. .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass --- After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example, http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language. Any ideas? -- David Shimamoto On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it. .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, I figure only the page names are copied. One last question if before I start adding text.. I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as, http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from? -- David Shimamoto Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the English link on the lower left of each page. .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass --- After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example, http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language. Any ideas? -- David Shimamoto On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
Hans, The lists are built automatically by mediawiki from every page that has [[Category:objectclass]] and [[Category:vanilla]] in it. In this case, 'Category' and 'Object class' is replaced by the localized term defined in the template.. I see the links in the Spanish page functioning properly in this manner. Combinations I've tried so far do not seem to work. Am I the only one dealing with multi byte characters at this site so far? I am beginning to have a bad feeling about their behavior. -- David Shimamoto .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 12:12 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, I figure only the page names are copied. One last question if before I start adding text.. I don't quite understand the mechanism behind pages such as, http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Category:vanilla Can you please tell me where the list of objects come from? -- David Shimamoto Looks like you got the Infobox working now. As for the English content, none of the previous people wanted to have the English content in their template import, so I didn't include it. It's all available by clicking the English link on the lower left of each page. .hc On Nov 28, 2007, at 3:15 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I am terribly sorry to bother you with this. To my eyes, the following two pages look almost identical. http://wiki.puredata.info/en/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/MediaWiki:Common.css http://wiki.puredata.info/en/Template:Infobox_Objectclass http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/Template:Infobox_Objectclass --- After you've kindly executed the import, I was imagining that for example, http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line would be filled with English contents identical to http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/line Unless I've done something wrong, I am imagining I've translated terms I shouldn't have in the original template. Say, for example, is 'Category:' parsed exceptionally for specific actions? Then it shouldn't have been replaced with multi byte characters of my language. Any ideas? -- David Shimamoto On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
On Nov 27, 2007, at 12:03 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. There shouldn't be blank pages, but they will just be templates with the infobox and the categories setup. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. I think it's still missing the CSS, that should be listed on the HOWTO. That's why the Infobox isn't showing up. .hc doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/ which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - --- Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- - The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - --- News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every
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Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/ which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list --- - Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - --- The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
Hans, Ok, it's running, it'll take an hour or two. You can see the pages as they are imported: http://wiki.puredata.info/ja/minimum Thanks for the effort! Yes, I see the log increasing as a reload the recent changes page. Is it just me or is it general to get excited watching massive data being crunched right in front of your very eyes? Some pages I opened were just blank. I wonder if this is because the original English page is also blank... any way I will wait for the processing to end. Next, you need to add the CSS and Infobox template then the infobox stuff will show up. I feel I've already done this following the admin HOW-TO. If it gets over written, I guess I can just try again. doh itashimashite (that's one of my favorite words in japanese :D ) Yes, domo-arigato-gozaimas!! .hc On Nov 24, 2007, at 8:30 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list - --- Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
Hans, Most of the main page is taken from the documents kindly prepared by Tetsuya Saito. The objectclass template page mainly has terms unified with the main page. So for that part I feel comfortable to proceed. I'd appreciate it if you can execute the import. Thanks. :) -- David Shimamoto I can execute the import whenever you're ready. Maybe it would be good to have one more Japanese speaker look at the template? It's up to you. .hc On Nov 19, 2007, at 9:57 PM, PSPunch wrote: Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] About editing pdpedia
Hans, Thanks. I've followed the procedure in the English 'Admin howtos' pages. I would appreciate it if you could try executing the import. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote On Nov 19, 2007, at 2:20 AM, PSPunch wrote: Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? Locking pages is basically for when people are fighting over a page. I can't imagine that anything is so divisive in Pd that we'd need to lock pages. So far, we haven't had any spam yet. === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Once that translated template that you posted is ready to go, then I'll run the import. That will generate template pages for about 2000 objectclasses. Then it's a matter of plugging in content, which can be gathered from pages in other languages, help patches, etc. .hc Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] About editing pdpedia
Hi list, I have some questions for some of you working on pdpedia. === 1. Has there already been discussions on policies regarding when/which pages to lock? I am assuming that leaving everything unlocked is the way to go if only the world were an ideal place. Are there not yet MediaWiki spammers? === 2. Regarding importing data from other languages.. For some basic pages, I have gotten away with the following procedure. I. Open the pdpedia page in English. II. Enter edit mode and [copy] the contents in the form III. Create an equivalent page in my language and [paste] the material above. IV. Use above as a starting point to begin translation. -- The above does not work for pages such as 'Category:vanilla'. I don't quite understand how that content is embedded in the page. Can some one help me on importing the list of objects? I've noticed that people working on the Spanish and Portuguese pages have been successful in this. Thanks. -- David Shimamoto ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
