[PD] Fw: Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!

2010-09-17 Thread Ed Kelly
Shut UP! Everyone.

We all know that a large proportion of the computers in the world run Windows. 
Pure Data is not elitist, apart from the French pronunciation of PD which was 
an 

anti-elitist statement in the first instance.

We are not in the business of saying who can and who cannot use this software, 
otherwise it would just be another Max/MSP and we'd have to email our DNA to 
IRCAM or Cycling74 in order to log onto our computers every time. (I was born 
in 

'74 - I resent their use of my birth-year, but I do not try to patent it).

This Ideological discussion is dead, and it has been dead for as long as I can 
remember. PD is BSD for Miller because of his ironic involvement with MSP, and 
GNU for everyone else. Don't clog the list with ideology. We are not a Tea 
Party.

PS the Pope is in the UK, and still talking about the Nazis. He is a 20th 
century relic. Do not become that. Use flexibly your status, and we might just 
have a point!

Get over it, and love or hat each other openly.
Metastudio 4 for Pure Data - coming soon!!



- Original Message 
From: patko colet.patr...@free.fr
To: Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com
Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at
Sent: Fri, 17 September, 2010 15:40:10
Subject: Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!

Konichiwa,

Windows in itself is very crappy, it's not really about multimedia,
almost everything isn't good on this platform,
maintaining a list of crappy things on windows would just be a waste of time.

Just stop removing fresh air from windows users when they can find in it 
applications like PureData, when they are available on this crappy platform.

Also the little cd isn't able to handle any computer hardware,
without a little bit of knowledge about what is X server for example,
Or simply without the matching hardware.

(please don't read this serioulsy)

This even sound very elitistic, the windows users would just use the great cd
that has been compiled by the real people who know things,
and just keep windows for playing their games,
or to run the great music softwares they bought because on linux there are no 
real solution
that is handling mainstream music composition without knowledge about computers.

Sorry to put those misplaced arguments, but sometimes I'm wondering about 
solutions
instead of closing doors.

The windows version is probably the most downloaded because users aren't 
satisfied,
and are waiting for the big changes.

- Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com a écrit :

 BTW SuperCollider did not released the 3.4 verion for Windows. Widows
 is just crappy for audio.
 That means more bugs and more issues to fix. more work for developers
 etc.
 The situation is that anyone can put a puredyne live-cd and work with
 pd/supercollider/whatever on any computer on earth.
 
 
 2010/9/17 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com:
  Maybe i'm short of rationality, (and i may sound weird, please don't
  misunderstand) but for me it's like a race issue... we shall not
  discriminate windows users, because most of them were born into
 windows.
  It's not like you buy your first computer and the vendor asks you
 which OS
  please?, and you have a 360 degree view of them you if you are cool
 you
  choose linux, and if you are a jerk you choose windows. Be more
 tolerant,
  and of course be happy that you are already on the right side, but
 try to
  help those on the dark side rather than abandoning them.
  Just 2 cents.
 
  Andras
 
  On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Bernardo Barros
 bernartdobarr...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Just stop losing energy with Windows. Better concentrate our
 limited
  resources
  Linux is better for audio anyway, and it's so easy to
 use/install/try
  these days.
 
  2010/9/16 ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com:
   ola,
  
   The Windows package is still the most downloaded.
  
   so what? that's where the big illusion stands ( having more
 customers? )
   do you expect any of these to be great creators???
  
   we'll see hey
  
   sevy
  
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Re: [PD] Fw: Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!

2010-09-17 Thread ydego...@gmail.com

Ed Kelly wrote:

Shut UP! Everyone.

We all know that a large proportion of the computers in the world run Windows.
   

well, you can bow to your master then,
you don't need the Pope for that...

all free-market people say ideology is dead, i'd better
not notice the similitude

ciao,
sevy

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Re: [PD] Fw: Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!

2010-09-17 Thread Mathieu Bouchard

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010, Ed Kelly wrote:

This Ideological discussion is dead, and it has been dead for as long as 
I can remember. PD is BSD for Miller because of his ironic involvement 
with MSP, and GNU for everyone else. Don't clog the list with ideology.


Pd-vanilla is still under BSD license for everybody. This choice wasn't 
caused by the upcoming MSP. There's no irony in the creation of MSP.


When you say what you are saying now, what's your ideology ?

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Re: [PD] Fw: Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!

2010-09-17 Thread ydego...@gmail.com

ola,

This even sound very elitistic, the windows users would just use the great cd
that has been compiled by the real people who know things,
and just keep windows for playing their games
   

what's elististic here, to want people rather to switch to linux?

and when they use windows, don't they use a magic cd
made by people that know things ( and make them pay for it? )

i never and will never get that argument
that encouraging people to use linux is elitistic,
it just doesn't hold.

saludos,
sevy

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