Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Hans, Daniel, Hi again, I made a 90-puredata.rules file in /lib/udev/rules.d/ containing the following line: KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0660, GROUP=plugdev The evdev EVIOCGABS ioctl: Invalid argument doesn't appear anymore but [hid] still can't recieve data from de /dev/input/event8 that is where my touchpad is located. I tried copying the 90.puredata.rules file to the old ubuntu udev rules directory (/etc/udev/rules.d/) but it didn't work either. I also tried both modes (0660 and 0666). Am I doing something wrong? thanks again, Diego. --- On Sat, 7/18/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu. To: Daniel Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com Cc: Diego Azar dazar...@yahoo.com, pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:31 PM Hey Dan, Making a 90-puredata.rules file and including it in the package sounds like a good idea. We will need to be careful with the permissions stuff, I don't want to be responsible for lots of people getting their machines pwned via pd ;) I imagine MODE=0666 is not necessary, for example, MODE=0660 with the plugdev group should work and be more secure. If you have something sketched out, how about committing it to the SVN, or posting it to the patch tracker. Or really whatever it takes to get people to contribute work on this stuff. I don't know the udev stuff really, so I don't have much to contribute there. I see no reason not to include the .rules file in the Pd-extended package, we'll just have to work out the security details if its going to be loaded by default. .hc On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 12:53 +0200, Daniel Wilcox wrote: Hi? Hans, I've been checking the archives and found only one issue that has to do with the ubuntu problem and sais to put this line: KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0666 in /etc/udev/rules.d/40- permissions.rules file. The problem is that xubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) doesn't have this file any more and permissions.rules, i think, are given in other archives... i'm looking in ubuntu forums to see what can i do... If someone knows something about... If you are using Ubuntu/Xubuntu Jaunty, the udev permissions files have been moved to /lib/udev/rules.d: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-January/002619.html As for the above, you can try adding the group to plugdev, something like KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0666, GROUP=plugdev since all users should be in the plugdev group. I use this technique to open the mouse on my visual application which uses sdl and runs from a basic terminal without X: KERNEL==mouse* GROUP=plugdev There is also no need to modify the existing udev rule files since they are read sequentially and can overwrite each other. So, following the debian udev rule naming convention, if you make a file called 90-puredata.rules and put the event rule in there, it should override or modify the existing default rule. Hans, it should be totally possible to ship a pd Ubuntu .deb that can install this automatically as I've done this with my own tools. I can help with this if needed, I just havent used [hid] much. Also, udev is really picky ... make sure each rule is on one line or it will fail. You can also use the udev tools to test each script for parse errors, but I'm at work on a Hardy machine so I can't give you the command right now. The udev admin script changed names between versions. -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Hey Dan, Making a 90-puredata.rules file and including it in the package sounds like a good idea. We will need to be careful with the permissions stuff, I don't want to be responsible for lots of people getting their machines pwned via pd ;) I imagine MODE=0666 is not necessary, for example, MODE=0660 with the plugdev group should work and be more secure. If you have something sketched out, how about committing it to the SVN, or posting it to the patch tracker. Or really whatever it takes to get people to contribute work on this stuff. I don't know the udev stuff really, so I don't have much to contribute there. I see no reason not to include the .rules file in the Pd-extended package, we'll just have to work out the security details if its going to be loaded by default. .hc On Fri, 2009-07-17 at 12:53 +0200, Daniel Wilcox wrote: Hi? Hans, I've been checking the archives and found only one issue that has to do with the ubuntu problem and sais to put this line: KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0666 in /etc/udev/rules.d/40- permissions.rules file. The problem is that xubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) doesn't have this file any more and permissions.rules, i think, are given in other archives... i'm looking in ubuntu forums to see what can i do... If someone knows something about... If you are using Ubuntu/Xubuntu Jaunty, the udev permissions files have been moved to /lib/udev/rules.d: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-January/002619.html As for the above, you can try adding the group to plugdev, something like KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0666, GROUP=plugdev since all users should be in the plugdev group. I use this technique to open the mouse on my visual application which uses sdl and runs from a basic terminal without X: KERNEL==mouse* GROUP=plugdev There is also no need to modify the existing udev rule files since they are read sequentially and can overwrite each other. So, following the debian udev rule naming convention, if you make a file called 90-puredata.rules and put the event rule in there, it should override or modify the existing default rule. Hans, it should be totally possible to ship a pd Ubuntu .deb that can install this automatically as I've done this with my own tools. I can help with this if needed, I just havent used [hid] much. Also, udev is really picky ... make sure each rule is on one line or it will fail. You can also use the udev tools to test each script for parse errors, but I'm at work on a Hardy machine so I can't give you the command right now. The udev admin script changed names between versions. -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Hi? Hans, I've been checking the archives and found only one issue that has to do with the ubuntu problem and sais to put this line: KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0666 in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules file. The problem is that xubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) doesn't have this file any more and permissions.rules, i think, are given in other archives... i'm looking in ubuntu forums to see what can i do... If someone knows something about... If you are using Ubuntu/Xubuntu Jaunty, the udev permissions files have been moved to /lib/udev/rules.d: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/jaunty-changes/2009-January/002619.html As for the above, you can try adding the group to plugdev, something like KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0666, GROUP=plugdev since all users should be in the plugdev group. I use this technique to open the mouse on my visual application which uses sdl and runs from a basic terminal without X: KERNEL==mouse* GROUP=plugdev There is also no need to modify the existing udev rule files since they are read sequentially and can overwrite each other. So, following the debian udev rule naming convention, if you make a file called 90-puredata.rules and put the event rule in there, it should override or modify the existing default rule. Hans, it should be totally possible to ship a pd Ubuntu .deb that can install this automatically as I've done this with my own tools. I can help with this if needed, I just havent used [hid] much. Also, udev is really picky ... make sure each rule is on one line or it will fail. You can also use the udev tools to test each script for parse errors, but I'm at work on a Hardy machine so I can't give you the command right now. The udev admin script changed names between versions. -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Hi Hans, I've been checking the archives and found only one issue that has to do with the ubuntu problem and sais to put this line: KERNEL==event[0-9]*, MODE=0666 in /etc/udev/rules.d/40-permissions.rules file. The problem is that xubuntu 9.04 (jaunty) doesn't have this file any more and permissions.rules, i think, are given in other archives... i'm looking in ubuntu forums to see what can i do... If someone knows something about... I have already tried to create the archive but it didn't work either. thanks again, Diego. --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu. To: Diego Azar dazar...@yahoo.com Cc: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com, PD-List pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 7:30 PM Chances are that the trackpad is an USB device, but just internal. But I don't think that's the issue. I think in recent versions of Ubuntu, the X server or related process grabs the keyboard and mice using exclusive access. You have to tell the X server to not use the mice that you want to use with [hid]. Check the archives, there is quite a bit of discussion about it. It would be great to have a wiki page about this... .hc On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Diego Azar wrote: Hi Simon, Thanks for the fast response. No, it isn't. It's the standard synaptic touchpad that comes with many laptops. Diego. --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu. To: Diego Azar dazar...@yahoo.com Cc: PD-List pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:14 AM Diego Azar wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use de hid librari in Xubuntu. I installed pd-hid.deb package without trouble and everything works perfect (usb mouse, keyboard, etc) except for the touchpad. It's not a permission issue, i've already gave permission to /dev/input/event0-9 and /dev/input/mouse0-2. is your touchpad a USB HID device? Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Hi, I'm trying to use de hid librari in Xubuntu. I installed pd-hid.deb package without trouble and everything works perfect (usb mouse, keyboard, etc) except for the touchpad. It's not a permission issue, i've already gave permission to /dev/input/event0-9 and /dev/input/mouse0-2. In my laptop the touchpad is located in /dev/input/event8, and when I give the [hid] object the message [open 8(, the console gives this result: evdev EVIOCGABS ioctl: Invalid argument and hid don't output any value. I searched in the list archives but couldn't find any help. It was a message reporting a similar problem with a tablet but the replies didn't work for me. thanks, Diego. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Diego Azar wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use de hid librari in Xubuntu. I installed pd-hid.deb package without trouble and everything works perfect (usb mouse, keyboard, etc) except for the touchpad. It's not a permission issue, i've already gave permission to /dev/input/event0-9 and /dev/input/mouse0-2. is your touchpad a USB HID device? Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Hi Simon, Thanks for the fast response. No, it isn't. It's the standard synaptic touchpad that comes with many laptops. Diego. --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu. To: Diego Azar dazar...@yahoo.com Cc: PD-List pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:14 AM Diego Azar wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use de hid librari in Xubuntu. I installed pd-hid.deb package without trouble and everything works perfect (usb mouse, keyboard, etc) except for the touchpad. It's not a permission issue, i've already gave permission to /dev/input/event0-9 and /dev/input/mouse0-2. is your touchpad a USB HID device? Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
Chances are that the trackpad is an USB device, but just internal. But I don't think that's the issue. I think in recent versions of Ubuntu, the X server or related process grabs the keyboard and mice using exclusive access. You have to tell the X server to not use the mice that you want to use with [hid]. Check the archives, there is quite a bit of discussion about it. It would be great to have a wiki page about this... .hc On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Diego Azar wrote: Hi Simon, Thanks for the fast response. No, it isn't. It's the standard synaptic touchpad that comes with many laptops. Diego. --- On Wed, 7/15/09, Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com wrote: From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu. To: Diego Azar dazar...@yahoo.com Cc: PD-List pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:14 AM Diego Azar wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use de hid librari in Xubuntu. I installed pd-hid.deb package without trouble and everything works perfect (usb mouse, keyboard, etc) except for the touchpad. It's not a permission issue, i've already gave permission to /dev/ input/event0-9 and /dev/input/mouse0-2. is your touchpad a USB HID device? Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu.
I have a similar, but slightly different, problem on OS X (10.4, Macbook pro). A Logitech Marble Mouse (trackball) shows up as device 0, but I can't get any data out of it. The trackpad, on the other hand, is fully accessible through [hid]. Any ideas? Phil Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Chances are that the trackpad is an USB device, but just internal. But I don't think that's the issue. I think in recent versions of Ubuntu, the X server or related process grabs the keyboard and mice using exclusive access. You have to tell the X server to not use the mice that you want to use with [hid]. Check the archives, there is quite a bit of discussion about it. It would be great to have a wiki page about this... .hc On Jul 15, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Diego Azar wrote: Hi Simon, Thanks for the fast response. No, it isn't. It's the standard synaptic touchpad that comes with many laptops. Diego. --- On *Wed, 7/15/09, Simon Wise /simonzw...@gmail.com mailto:simonzw...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Simon Wise simonzw...@gmail.com mailto:simonzw...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] HID problem in Xubuntu. To: Diego Azar dazar...@yahoo.com mailto:dazar...@yahoo.com Cc: PD-List pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, July 15, 2009, 11:14 AM Diego Azar wrote: Hi, I'm trying to use de hid librari in Xubuntu. I installed pd-hid.deb package without trouble and everything works perfect (usb mouse, keyboard, etc) except for the touchpad. It's not a permission issue, i've already gave permission to /dev/input/event0-9 and /dev/input/mouse0-2. is your touchpad a USB HID device? Simon ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
