Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 55, Issue 120
On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:20 PM, dmotd wrote: oh come now, i really commiserate with a bad work situation, but i have a hard time really sympathising with anyone taking on work from a large arts beurocracy. it is often the case that you leave your passion at the door - and i have found that there are many people with less a commitment to creation and creativity that fulfill these rolls far better than artists do. - sorry dan, its awful working somewhere you hate, but i'm sure there are many folks that could fill your shoes. to say that there is a future making a certain artwork is as vague as suggesting that an invention is commercially viable. if you *have* to make artwork, then you probably will, outside of economic imperative, and its more than likely you will pay for its existence and continued existence thereafter. but if you are prepared to forgo the creative challenges and use skills in ways that make you employable. then there are a number of ways to do so, and most likely there are many small creative organisations in your area that require someone with both creative and technical talent - and more often than not their application of your talents will challenge and push you into areas you are not currently aware. and besides if you have the right personality type and the essense of some talent than there's a good chance you will get all accesses to the inner sanctum of 'art'. just don't hold your breath. all i'd like really like to say on this topic is keep an open mind and strong focus on quality work, you may never support yourself financially but you will become a stronger artist for it. i don't usually make an effort to respond to social agenda - hopefully this is a rarity. You're totally right .. that's why I'm pretty much done at this point. I feel stupid for complaining about it really, but the question was asked and I felt like sharing my current situation. There is a definite difference between the artists and the engineers that work at these places. For most, it's just a job. I can't really see things like that and it's hard not to invest energy I probably don't need to. I too agree that you'll make better art by the skin of your teeth then in the comfy confines of academia / commercial work. It's definitely time to focus on quality work .. hell, I just want to be able to focus on my own work at all. Daniel Wilcox wrote: On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: "Jo o Pais" To: "Adityo Pratomo" , PDlist > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:27:33 +0100 Subject: Re: [PD] life as a new media artist Hi, I suggest you keep your day job maintaing networks. it's much more well paid than art jobs, which means that you can work less and have more time for you. plus, the frustration of not being involved in art gives you energy to sit down and work on your things when you finally manage it. you don't waste those artistic thoughts somewhere else, like producing a concert or something. Unless you've already good well-known in the field, and are able to get a "regular" amount of paid comissions/projects done. I an second that statement. I'm working for Ars Electronica right now and I've basically discovered that working in the field blows. My energy has been wasted on boring commercial-oriented stuff and I don't have any energy for my own work ... I wish I was delivering chinese food again. Plus the network admin job probably pays far better then mine. *sigh* I make a living mainly as an engraver for scores (classical/ modern/film music). it's not very well paid, but I can maintain my lifestyle for the time being (single guy sharing a flat with no family), and now and then buy equipment. although in the future I'll have a lousy pension for sure. Jo o Pais Hmm, I see. Looks like we have to have a day job right? Just curious, is there anyone have a day job in a field that has no relation with art? Like for example, I myself, I work as a network consultant. And then use my spare time to do some art stuff. -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 55, Issue 120
oh come now, i really commiserate with a bad work situation, but i have a hard time really sympathising with anyone taking on work from a large arts beurocracy. it is often the case that you leave your passion at the door - and i have found that there are many people with less a commitment to creation and creativity that fulfill these rolls far better than artists do. - sorry dan, its awful working somewhere you hate, but i'm sure there are many folks that could fill your shoes. to say that there is a future making a certain artwork is as vague as suggesting that an invention is commercially viable. if you *have* to make artwork, then you probably will, outside of economic imperative, and its more than likely you will pay for its existence and continued existence thereafter. but if you are prepared to forgo the creative challenges and use skills in ways that make you employable. then there are a number of ways to do so, and most likely there are many small creative organisations in your area that require someone with both creative and technical talent - and more often than not their application of your talents will challenge and push you into areas you are not currently aware. and besides if you have the right personality type and the essense of some talent than there's a good chance you will get all accesses to the inner sanctum of 'art'. just don't hold your breath. all i'd like really like to say on this topic is keep an open mind and strong focus on quality work, you may never support yourself financially but you will become a stronger artist for it. i don't usually make an effort to respond to social agenda - hopefully this is a rarity. Daniel Wilcox wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, wrote: > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "Jo o Pais" > To: "Adityo Pratomo" , PDlist > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:27:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [PD] life as a new media artist > Hi, > > I suggest you keep your day job maintaing networks. it's much more well > paid than art jobs, which means that you can work less and have more time > for you. plus, the frustration of not being involved in art gives you > energy to sit down and work on your things when you finally manage it. you > don't waste those artistic thoughts somewhere else, like producing a > concert or something. > Unless you've already good well-known in the field, and are able to get a > "regular" amount of paid comissions/projects done. > > > > I an second that statement. > > I'm working for Ars Electronica right now and I've basically discovered that > working in the field blows. My energy has been wasted on boring > commercial-oriented stuff and I don't have any energy for my own work ... I > wish I was delivering chinese food again. Plus the network admin job probably > pays far better then mine. *sigh* > > > > I make a living mainly as an engraver for scores (classical/modern/film > music). it's not very well paid, but I can maintain my lifestyle for the > time being (single guy sharing a flat with no family), and now and then > buy > equipment. although in the future I'll have a lousy pension for sure. > > Jo o Pais > > > Hmm, I see. Looks like we have to have a day job right? Just curious, > is > there anyone have a day job in a field that has no relation with art? > Like > for example, I myself, I work as a network consultant. And then use my > spare > time to do some art stuff. > > > > -- > Dan Wilcox > danomatika > www.robotcowboy.com > ___ > Pd-list@iem.at mailing list > UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> > http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 55, Issue 120
I suggest you keep your day job maintaing networks. it's much more well paid than art jobs, which means that you can work less and have more time for you. plus, the frustration of not being involved in art gives you energy to sit down and work on your things when you finally manage it. you don't waste those artistic thoughts somewhere else, like producing a concert or something. Unless you've already good well-known in the field, and are able to get a "regular" amount of paid comissions/projects done. I an second that statement. I'm working for Ars Electronica right now and I've basically discovered that working in the field blows. My energy has been wasted on boring commercial-oriented stuff and I don't have any energy for my own work ... I wish I was delivering chinese food again. Plus the network admin job probably pays far better then mine. *sigh* afaik, ars electronica isn't exactly the best-paying place in the world. but look on the good side, you might learn enough experience when you decide not to renew your contract, like many do. just leave as soon as you can. [did we met in July in Linz? I'm a friend of Enrique Tomás, I was there to work with him on a performance of our trio.] João Pais ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-list Digest, Vol 55, Issue 120
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 2:23 PM, wrote: > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: "João Pais" > To: "Adityo Pratomo" , PDlist > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:27:33 +0100 > Subject: Re: [PD] life as a new media artist > Hi, > > I suggest you keep your day job maintaing networks. it's much more well > paid than art jobs, which means that you can work less and have more time > for you. plus, the frustration of not being involved in art gives you > energy to sit down and work on your things when you finally manage it. you > don't waste those artistic thoughts somewhere else, like producing a concert > or something. > Unless you've already good well-known in the field, and are able to get a > "regular" amount of paid comissions/projects done. > I an second that statement. I'm working for Ars Electronica right now and I've basically discovered that working in the field blows. My energy has been wasted on boring commercial-oriented stuff and I don't have any energy for my own work ... I wish I was delivering chinese food again. Plus the network admin job probably pays far better then mine. *sigh* > I make a living mainly as an engraver for scores (classical/modern/film > music). it's not very well paid, but I can maintain my lifestyle for the > time being (single guy sharing a flat with no family), and now and then buy > equipment. although in the future I'll have a lousy pension for sure. > > João Pais > > Hmm, I see. Looks like we have to have a day job right? Just curious, is >> there anyone have a day job in a field that has no relation with art? Like >> for example, I myself, I work as a network consultant. And then use my >> spare >> time to do some art stuff. >> > -- Dan Wilcox danomatika www.robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -> http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
