Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
Violence as a response to people with different values- was this comic drawn by a man? -Chuckk On 10/27/07, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Funny, I think that exact comic came up earlier in this never-ending thread. Very apropos... .hc On Oct 27, 2007, at 7:26 AM, Hannah Drayson wrote: This sums it up for me... http://xkcd.com/322/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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While the post was particularly vulgar, it's debatable whether knowing about sex is harmful to teenagers. It's also debatable in general whether it's anyone's responsibility to try to do what's best for other people's children. Anyway I suspect it's more the people around the teenage girl who don't want her to know, but if you want to control what a person knows beyond infancy you've got to resort to drastic measures, like controlling what strangers are allowed to say in public. The 1980's saw some ferocious attempts to censor music and music videos in the name of children. While there are definitely some things children may prefer not to know or think about, a) I don't think sex is usually one of them (my sister, at 12 or 15, would have thought the post was hilarious, and yes she would have understood it), and b) people with children don't rule the world! A 12- or 15-year-old in the US can turn on the TV and see shootings, drug dealing, political corruption, human trafficking, etc., etc., on the news or fictional shows, but let one woman's nipple appear through a tiny hole for a few seconds and all hell breaks loose. I'm a big fan of art, and subversive, offensive art is some of my favorite stuff. R Crumb, Frank Zappa, John Steinbeck, Sylvia Plath, Prince, Eminem, and John Lennon, just to name a few, have done some stuff many people would love to silence (and they try continuously). While the post about sexyism was really off-topic and a bit predictable, I like to think that if I made music with Pd that some people would consider offensive it would not be off-topic. Although many such off-topic Pd-object pun posts have come and gone with no mention of being off-topic because they didn't share the same tone and content... Are there any official rules for content on this forum? Does moderation exist? I have no problem with them if so, but I'm guessing the answers are both no? -Chuckk On 10/27/07, Chris McCormick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Would you have told this joke in a room with children within earshot? I hope not. The pd-list should be thought of a such a room. It's a room with many many different people of different ages and sexes, with different cultural backgrounds. It's a room where anybody is free to come and hear about Pure Data and share and learn, not where they come to be told offensive jokes. It's a room where it would be really nice if everyone's 12 and 15 year old sisters who want to learn about Pd felt completely comfortable. This list is about a versatile audio visual tool. I can think of absolutely no good reason why anybody who wants to learn about a versatile audio visual tool should have to feel offended or threatened here. I guess the key is to remember that not everybody here is just like you. Not everyone is offended, or not offended by the same jokes. Not everyone is interested in the same things. Yes, I am asking you to self censor. Just like you would self censor when you visit your grandmother. I am asking you to show some universal respect and consideration, which is not very difficult at all. If you want to express those kinds of things, please choose a different audience and forum, as this one is on the whole, not interested. Best regards, Chris. On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:26:34PM -0400, vade wrote: Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
i promise never to do this kind of thing again, as long as you guys promise that any future discussions of sexism, or politics, or anything not pd related is kept OT, where it belongs. fair enough eh? ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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This sums it up for me... http://xkcd.com/322/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 17:09 +0900, hard off wrote: i promise never to do this kind of thing again, to be honest, i was kind of amused, though i somehow can see, why people get upset. as long as you guys promise that any future discussions of sexism, or politics, or anything not pd related is kept OT, where it belongs. this is blackmail, isn't it? fair enough eh? no, definitely not. sexism is not OT as long as someone feels the list to be sexist. or in general: a discussion about the list and the way how people use the list cannot be considered OT in the list itself. a discussion is the only way to reach a consensus on this kind of issues, since there is no higher instance (written rules, moderator..), that would make such a discussion obsolete. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007, Roman Haefeli wrote: no, definitely not. sexism is not OT as long as someone feels the list to be sexist. or in general: a discussion about the list and the way how people use the list cannot be considered OT in the list itself. You think so. If a mailing-list really got out of control, you'd have rules such as forbidden to question mailing-list rules and all of the rest would just go in pd-ot. Anyway... on pd-list a fair amount of off-topic has come to be somewhat normal, given the general postmodern/interdisciplinary/activist/experimental mindframe of the crowd. I'm not so sure that pd-ot would ever take off. It would be a great idea to make it take off and become the flip side of pd-list but I see great difficulty in the discipline of flipping threads from one side to the other and following threads across mailing-lists. It gets even worse if there is any cross-posting between the two. Perhaps pd-ot is not what we need. On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 17:09 +0900, hard off wrote: as long as you guys promise that any future discussions of sexism, or politics, or anything not pd related is kept OT, where it belongs. this is blackmail, isn't it? i think it's closer to dark brown... _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Funny, I think that exact comic came up earlier in this never-ending thread. Very apropos... .hc On Oct 27, 2007, at 7:26 AM, Hannah Drayson wrote: This sums it up for me... http://xkcd.com/322/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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fair enough eh? no! we will pardon you only if you release the last version of za-matt. pat ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] about sexy-ism
i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Bravo! Not bad for a 15 year old [dickweed]... Go back to grade 10 you stupid [virgin]. xo ~d PS- Matju, I totally know that those objects don't actually exist ;) On 10/26/07, hard off [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- ~computer incantations for world peace~ JL Ponty ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again... The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended. On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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On 10/26/07, Alexandre Castonguay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would This list is one thing, but freedom of speech comes at the expense of anyone feeling however they like. The implication that someone's freedom of speech has somehow hurt someone else has been behind many (all?) attempts to restrict it. And not-free is not free. Free as in speech, not as in beer. -Chuckk state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://www.badmuthahubbard.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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There are MILLIONS of outlets for sex humor: chat rooms, message boards, frats, etc. etc. etc. Please leave this place to be a welcoming discussion of Pd and find a different forum for this kind of stuff. MANY people are saying we don't want to hear this kind of stuff here, if people really want to talk about Pd and sex, then start pd-sex or whatever, and leave the rest of us in peace. Enough already... .hc Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
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applause Amen. God damn, that was well said! You got a PhD or something ;-) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vade Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:27 PM To: Alexandre Castonguay Cc: PD List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] about sexy-ism Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again... The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended. On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? .she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] .she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
I have a couple of female friends who are patchers. They think all of this is funny-a bunch of 'intellectual' men debating over how women feel! Women have been facing discrimination for ever..thank god most of these women have a better sense of humor than most of us here! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of vade Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 8:27 PM To: Alexandre Castonguay Cc: PD List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] about sexy-ism Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again... The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended. On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? .she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] .she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
I was going to stay out of it, but then my 12-year old sister just started asking me questions about Pd. She is going to learn about sex and all the rest on her own terms, in her own time. I want her to be able to learn about Pd from the list. I like Bill Hicks as much as anybody (well, probably more than most) but I'm not going to ask him to teach my sister about Pd. You folks I am. Drop it. cheers dafydd -- www.sideshowmedia.ca skype chickeninthegrass ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
On 10/26/07, vade [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. # Of course we can understand that mail was a joke. But there are many kind of jokes, good ones, bad ones etc.. And joking by its own does not justifies the content. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. # Thanks for the clarification. Capital letters revealed the true irony obscured by the complicated metaphor. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. # Underestimating the academia and intellectual work is being proud of the ignorance. I think, calling the previous emails about such amazingly interesting topics in this thread lunacy and your justification of the joke is worse than the joke itself. # Being sensitive and thinking hard about whether the relative smallness of the female population is due to some inherent issues that we are not aware of and taking responsability is not something one can make mockery. This subject is not off topic but a part of computer music and pd community. And mocking about what people take serious will not be met with joy. -uğur- *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again... The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended. On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
Hi, Would you have told this joke in a room with children within earshot? I hope not. The pd-list should be thought of a such a room. It's a room with many many different people of different ages and sexes, with different cultural backgrounds. It's a room where anybody is free to come and hear about Pure Data and share and learn, not where they come to be told offensive jokes. It's a room where it would be really nice if everyone's 12 and 15 year old sisters who want to learn about Pd felt completely comfortable. This list is about a versatile audio visual tool. I can think of absolutely no good reason why anybody who wants to learn about a versatile audio visual tool should have to feel offended or threatened here. I guess the key is to remember that not everybody here is just like you. Not everyone is offended, or not offended by the same jokes. Not everyone is interested in the same things. Yes, I am asking you to self censor. Just like you would self censor when you visit your grandmother. I am asking you to show some universal respect and consideration, which is not very difficult at all. If you want to express those kinds of things, please choose a different audience and forum, as this one is on the whole, not interested. Best regards, Chris. On Fri, Oct 26, 2007 at 03:26:34PM -0400, vade wrote: Its a joke. Get over it. Comedians do it at venues of over a 1000 all the time. Ever hear of George Carlin, Bill Hicks, Eddy Murphy (back when he was funny..), etc etc. Whether or not the PD list is the place for this, well, frankly, I'll agree it isnt, but that was my point about 3.5^10 emails ago - this thread is mind boggingly off topic - but that did not stop discussion over such amazingly interesting topics as the etymology of sexism, constructive comments about street jargon, academia and fun statistics over who applied and got accepted to what. Jesus fucking christ, its a joke about CONSENSUAL SEX USING PD OBJECTS AS A METAPHOR. OH NO. OH DEAR GOD OH MENSTRUATION. OH YUCK BOO HOO. No one notices Hard off also making fun of himself there. Ah, so typically one sided. Look. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas, others penises. (hell some even have both) Some of us use PD and/or other Dataflow languages. Can we PLEASE GET OVER IT ALREADY? That email was more a comment on the lunacy of the aforementioned thread as well as some of you over intellectualizing every goddamn last minutiae of the topic - rather than an actual genuine heartfelt AFFRONT TO ALL OF WOMANKIND. Perhaps if you took of your lab coat, removed the various PHDs from behind your desk, and any other assorted academic paraphernalia that may be laying about* - including the self righteousness - you might see that last email as an attempt to cut through the bullshit of this topic. Im sorry I have to spell it out for you. *I am well aware that you and others may literally have said items behind your potentially non existing desk, however, I hope you can all grok the metaphor - somehow I feel ill be disappointed yet again... The bottom line is, if PD is going to be used by Artists, prepare to be offended. On Oct 26, 2007, at 2:20 PM, Alexandre Castonguay wrote: I think the post and this attitude has no place on this list. The use of objects is smart but it doesn't excuse the moronic and offensive nature of the post. What makes you think that your freedom of speech should come at the expense of women feeling violated and insulted? I wonder if you would state something like that before a crowd of 1000. I feel disgusted. Alexandre Haha. That made my day. Well done. Yeah, calling him a virgin, real original. On Oct 26, 2007, at 6:39 AM, hard off wrote: i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list v a d e // www.vade.info abstrakt.vade.info
Re: [PD] about sexy-ism
actually I still smile looking at your pd sexy poetry and although perhaps is too much for 12 year old children I don't see real violence in your post. In fact I appreciate your provoking attitude and wonder where this pd related creations may have a place. Is there really an OT pd list? how boring all OT pd topics put together anyway. What about a pd poetry list?I might sound contradictory and anyway respect the will of many ppl here to keep this list out of sexy content, but I think that part of some cultural changes might have to deal with learning to integrate sex into all dimensions. cheap or not cheap poetry I'm still smiling :))) alejandra i went to the [pool] last week, and met this zexy girl, she was a real GEM - a totally rradical chick. We started to [swap] some glances, and not being one to do anything [unauthorized], i asked her, hey, do you want to [route]? ..she said sorry it's that [time] of the month and i said, hey, don't worry, i can part your red sea like [moses] ..she gave me a [stripnote], so i pulled down her panties, opened her [spigot], and then after a bit of a [delay] we got [hip~] to [hip~] and had a good ol' fashioned [bang] . after several minutes with our bodies in a tight [wrap~], she asked to [change] positions, so i took out my [vslider] from her [openpanel] and put her on the kitchen [table]. she was ready to [receive] my [pipe] again. so i thrust my [outlet] into her [inlet], stopping occasionally to [switch~] positions, [until] finally she let out a loud [noise~] and i shot my [loadbang]. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
