Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
--- On Wed, 2/18/09, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: From: João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object To: jancs...@yahoo.com, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, pd-list@iem.at Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2009, 2:03 AM In one of your tutorials, you asked about the sort message. Have a look at 07.sequencer.pd. If you open the synthesis subpatch, you'll see that pd-data is sent a sort message before sequencing. This sorts the data so that the left-to-right order of the graphical objects on the screen reflects the order in which they will be traversed. In this case it's a way of ensuring that the sounds match the visuals. did I? sorry, I didn't know. it was clear for me what sort is. In your first tutorial, step 8, you have the question about sort: How is it useful? But now I see I missed your definition of its behavior earlier in the patch. Anyhow, the sequencer help patch shows a practical use for the sort message. As far as undocumented features, I don't know, but I just noticed there's a typo in the release notes: A sendwindow message forwards any message to the window contining the scalar currently pointed to. It's actually send-window (with a hyphen). [send-window vis 1( | [pointer] where did you find that information? I was looking for that file, and couldn't find it in pd-ext or pd-van. or is it only on svn or something? It's part of the pd documentation (in doc/1.manual) that comes with pd-vanilla (and, I would assume, pd-ext): chapter 5. Also check out section 2.9 on data structures if you haven't already. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
are there any other still undocumented features? I already noticed that struct outputs more than select/deselect - specially in pd-van. I don't think, Pd-extended has different DS features than Pd vanilla. I'm on extended+windows, and the latest available build is from july 08 - there the structs don't output the click values. but that might be back in order when HC replaces the windows build disk. but testing them with pd-van revealed a couple missing details. (x:y) is documented in 4.data.structures/09.scaling.pd yes, that was the tutorial I was speaking about and didn't clearly say. I've made these tutorials to resume the possibilities of working with data-s. they're not too pedagogic, but I think it's understandable for non-beginners. is anything missing there? And a question: arrays don't output the change separator? jmp-data-structs-tut-2.pd Description: Binary data jmp-data-structs-tut-3.pd Description: Binary data jmp-data-structs-tut-1.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
I think I've got it, thanks - if you want, check out the files I just sent to the list (although you don't need them). This gui editor is way more complex than the one I've made some years ago. if you're on extended, look for [jmmmp/gui-edit]. and by the way, if you work a lot with data-s, you might be interested in my color catalogue patch - [jmmmp/pd-colors] - for both data-s and tk gui. (I guess I could update this to have the new colorpicker as well) Joao --- On Tue, 2/17/09, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: From: João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object To: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:34 AM Maybe check out this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/055597.html it didn't help that much. but then I noticed that there was a tutorial with it, so I could understand it better. are there any other still undocumented features? I already noticed that struct outputs more than select/deselect - specially in pd-van. Check here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/55635/match=struct+outlet I made a gui editor that uses all of these except maybe displace. It's in the pal folder in ds-gui in SVN if you want to check it out (though it's not documented very well). -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
that reminds me of another thing: is it possible that someone who can't read code could understand which features were implemented in the data-s just by looking at the code? at least enough to get a hint and try it in pd? where is the data-s code? Hallo, João Pais hat gesagt: // João Pais wrote: Maybe check out this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/055597.html it didn't help that much. but then I noticed that there was a tutorial with it, so I could understand it better. are there any other still undocumented features? I already noticed that struct outputs more than select/deselect - specially in pd-van. I don't think, Pd-extended has different DS features than Pd vanilla. (x:y) is documented in 4.data.structures/09.scaling.pd Ciao -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
On Tuesday 17 February 2009 23:48:54 João Pais wrote: that reminds me of another thing: is it possible that someone who can't read code could understand which features were implemented in the data-s just by looking at the code? at least enough to get a hint and try it in pd? where is the data-s code? in general anything that can be messaged with a symbol from a pd canvas to a pd internal (and visa versa) is allocated with the 'gensym' function. and code relevant to data-structures can be found here: g_array.c (for rendering of tables as well as DS scalars) g_scalar.c g_template.c g_traversal.c these are just my notes.. as far as i know, miller is the only developer working on DS code, i would love to be corrected however.. if anyone else can provide a developer reference for data-structures i would be much in debt.. ciao, dmotd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
Thanks for the info on your patches, I'll check them out when I get a chance. In one of your tutorials, you asked about the sort message. Have a look at 07.sequencer.pd. If you open the synthesis subpatch, you'll see that pd-data is sent a sort message before sequencing. This sorts the data so that the left-to-right order of the graphical objects on the screen reflects the order in which they will be traversed. In this case it's a way of ensuring that the sounds match the visuals. As far as undocumented features, I don't know, but I just noticed there's a typo in the release notes: A sendwindow message forwards any message to the window contining the scalar currently pointed to. It's actually send-window (with a hyphen). [send-window vis 1( | [pointer] -Jonathan --- On Tue, 2/17/09, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: From: João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object To: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 2:21 PM are there any other still undocumented features? I already noticed that struct outputs more than select/deselect - specially in pd-van. I don't think, Pd-extended has different DS features than Pd vanilla. I'm on extended+windows, and the latest available build is from july 08 - there the structs don't output the click values. but that might be back in order when HC replaces the windows build disk. but testing them with pd-van revealed a couple missing details. (x:y) is documented in 4.data.structures/09.scaling.pd yes, that was the tutorial I was speaking about and didn't clearly say. I've made these tutorials to resume the possibilities of working with data-s. they're not too pedagogic, but I think it's understandable for non-beginners. is anything missing there? And a question: arrays don't output the change separator?___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
In one of your tutorials, you asked about the sort message. Have a look at 07.sequencer.pd. If you open the synthesis subpatch, you'll see that pd-data is sent a sort message before sequencing. This sorts the data so that the left-to-right order of the graphical objects on the screen reflects the order in which they will be traversed. In this case it's a way of ensuring that the sounds match the visuals. did I? sorry, I didn't know. it was clear for me what sort is. As far as undocumented features, I don't know, but I just noticed there's a typo in the release notes: A sendwindow message forwards any message to the window contining the scalar currently pointed to. It's actually send-window (with a hyphen). [send-window vis 1( | [pointer] where did you find that information? I was looking for that file, and couldn't find it in pd-ext or pd-van. or is it only on svn or something? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
--- On Tue, 2/17/09, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: From: João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Subject: Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object To: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org, pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:34 AM Maybe check out this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/055597.html it didn't help that much. but then I noticed that there was a tutorial with it, so I could understand it better. are there any other still undocumented features? I already noticed that struct outputs more than select/deselect - specially in pd-van. Check here: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.puredata.general/55635/match=struct+outlet I made a gui editor that uses all of these except maybe displace. It's in the pal folder in ds-gui in SVN if you want to check it out (though it's not documented very well). ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
Hallo, João Pais hat gesagt: // João Pais wrote: Maybe check out this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/055597.html it didn't help that much. but then I noticed that there was a tutorial with it, so I could understand it better. are there any other still undocumented features? I already noticed that struct outputs more than select/deselect - specially in pd-van. I don't think, Pd-extended has different DS features than Pd vanilla. (x:y) is documented in 4.data.structures/09.scaling.pd Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
Hi, I'm looking to do something using data-s, but can't really get it, and don't have enough documentation around: - how do the (x:y)(a:b) fields work? from what I've seen, you need a variable before, and x-y indicate the value of the variable, and a-b scale that position in the screen? - I wanted to do a small object that moves around in a fixed area by click-grabing it (a small circle, or square, doesn't really matter). I supposed I should use the feature from the previous line for it? Do you have any already made examples for what I'm looking for? The documentation in pd is still out of date on these things (as normal). Thanks, João Pais -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] data-struct: (x:y) move object
Hallo, Jo?o Pais hat gesagt: // Jo?o Pais wrote: Hi, I'm looking to do something using data-s, but can't really get it, and don't have enough documentation around: - how do the (x:y)(a:b) fields work? from what I've seen, you need a variable before, and x-y indicate the value of the variable, and a-b scale that position in the screen? - I wanted to do a small object that moves around in a fixed area by click-grabing it (a small circle, or square, doesn't really matter). I supposed I should use the feature from the previous line for it? Do you have any already made examples for what I'm looking for? The documentation in pd is still out of date on these things (as normal). Maybe check out this: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-10/055597.html Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
