On Wed, 29 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
That's probably because you've never gotten it. Clicking on the graph
that contains the array opens up 'canvas-help.pd'. But you can open a
help patch named 'array-help.pd' when you:
a) right-click on the Put menu array and choose Open,
b)
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Yeah, so currently I have links inside canvas-help.pd to table-help.pd,
pd-help.pd, graph-help.pd, and a special note about Put menu arrays
with a link to array-help.pd. array-help.pd is necessary to have there
because triggering the help patch for
On 14 Dec 2010, at 04:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 20:25 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: Jonathan
On 14 Dec 2010, at 08:12, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
think it can be
On Thu, 16 Dec 2010, Jamie Bullock wrote:
objectclass is a pleonasm and leads to: an object is an instance of an
objectclass, eugh!
well, it's also a disambigüator for the case where you have other uses of
the word class : pitch class, class of polynomials, school class, struggle
of the
On Dec 14, 2010, at 6:52 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting
licenses, or was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version
the other license was added?
Well, I found the military
On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
think it can be confusing to use that term.
so i think that we should use
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 09:12 +0100, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
think it
On Dec 14, 2010, at 3:12 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
On 2010-12-14 05:58, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I
as a matter of fact Pd implements a simple OOP system in C (including
rudimentary inheritance).
think it can be
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation
that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation
that reaches that
If it were up to me, we'd keep all of Sevy's stuff in Pd-extended. The
licenses Sevy offers conflict with the licenses of much of the software it
borrows from (for example EffecTV) so they are invalid anyway. But I
understand that this may not sit ethically with others so my second
suggestion is,
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
You're right. I'm an object-o-phile. But do you find Related
Objects troubling-- should it be Related Classes?
well... yes
In a lot of situations you need both. For something like canvas_class
it doesn't make much sense to put all the details of
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, John Harrison wrote:
If it were up to me, we'd keep all of Sevy's stuff in Pd-extended. The
licenses Sevy offers conflict with the licenses of much of the software
it borrows from (for example EffecTV) so they are invalid anyway.
Invalid licenses are not to be
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 15:53 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
I mean no disrespect. When you released 'unauthorized' under the GPL,
you made a promise to your users that 'unauthorized' would remain free
software. That is the meaning of the GPL.
That's not the meaning of it.
The meaning of the GPL
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
On Dec 13, 2010, at 12:27 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
- autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.)
He's talking about the opposite : is autoconf required in
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Date: Tuesday, December 14
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 8:56 PM
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010
On Tue, 14 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So did the software in question _always_ have the conflicting licenses,
or was it originally just GPL and in a subsequent version the other
license was added?
Well, I found the military clause in PiDiP in déc.2005, and I have no idea
for how long
Just curious
Overall, at which point is a project forked? When additions are made or
taken away? Or just when licence terms are changed? If the code is copied
and then released under a different name?
In this case it would be the licence change I believe
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:52 PM, Mathieu
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, sevy wrote:
this basically shows you have 3 collaborators
and you call it a 'community'
this basically shows you can't see further than a single webpage ;
and you think of it as relevant insight, postable on pd-list.
what ? again?
because i criticize the structure of this fake community?
because i protest against the way decisions are taken?
this is immature?
i will not qualify your comment here,
it's just very low.
and saying 'if you don't like people on this then subscribe
( i guess it was unsubscribe
because i protest against the way decisions are taken?
did you ever see here any decision that was submitted to a vote?
( for example like which libraries should be included in extended ?
or if the chord patches should be orange and with an arrow? )
You make a good point, I would support you on this as it is
constructive criticism. Taking the piss out of people is just not good .
all the best.
Are you still maintaining PiDiP?
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote:
because i protest against the
*
Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for windows: 1607
Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for OS X: 841
Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for Debian: 6
so the total for downloads over a 7 day period across all platforms is
note exactly what i'm talking about :
my libraries ( pidip and unauthorized ) cannot be included
because of their license... good, i'm happy of that
now i see in the new list that :
* pdp is not included
some other libraries have never been included like :
* pdvjtools : never included, as
yves,
Your contributions are welcome in Pd-extended, you have recently
chosen again to work against it. That's your choice.
A couple of points:
- autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.)
- pdvjtools, pdp_opencv, and pix_opencv all could be added if someone
Hey Alan,
Thanks for the offer! Maintaining a library mostly means keeping
track of the issues and seeing that they get addressed. Things range
from making releases, posting releases, fixing bugs, accepting
patches, etc. It can also mean doing all of the work, if you so
choose. I
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
- autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.)
He's talking about the opposite : is autoconf required in Pd-extended ?
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| Mathieu Bouchard
A long standing complaint of Pd-extended is that it is hard to know
what all is in it and how it got there. Plus the old build system is
a bug ugly whack thing that is not understandable We've made the
library template and that's working well so far. We
Here are some concrete steps to
Seems like the power to decide what goes into Pd-extended lies in the
same place it does in every other free software project out there: with
those willing to do the work. Seems fair to me.
D.
On 12/13/10 7:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Here are some concrete steps to take on to help
Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote:
From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: PD List pd-list@iem.at
Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 7:35 PM
A long standing complaint of Pd-extended is that it is hard to know what all is
in it and how it got
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
As far as improving documentation, I'd say every object in Pd-ext should be
documented clearly in a help patch that outlines:
I'd say every class in Pd-ext should be
documented clearly in a help patch that outlines:
1) what the object does
1)
ola,
- pdvjtools, pdp_opencv, and pix_opencv all could be added if someone
does the work. You've made it clear that my contributions there are
not welcome there, so I stopped trying.
nah nah, you've overwritten all our building system and then asked if it
was ok...
there's a big difference
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation
that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
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--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Date: Tuesday, December 14
you maintain unauthorized ( free version, if free ever meant anything )
and pmpd ?
wow, if that's not using other people's work, i dunno what
fresh hell is this...
very good takeover,
very good semester result,
you can apply for the employee of the month
ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote:
that's really crazy what you did here :
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized
sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation
that reaches that level
respect!
sevy
I thought you might want to
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 20:25 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote:
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at, Hans
One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a
maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi-
working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries
that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my
knowledge:
this basically shows you have 3 collaborators
and you call it a 'community'
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.orgwrote:
One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a
maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of
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