[PD] Pd and Max
Helge Gudmundsen has started a series of posts in which he converts examples from my book from Pd to Max. It’s an interesting comparative way to learn Max. Start here: http://grumpylemming.com/blog/2014/03/19/pure-data-and-max/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?
HI Alexandre - I mean to try to figure this out but want to get the next Pd release out first :) Miller ` On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 05:13:01PM -0200, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi, sorry to insist on this, but I think it is important and it really doesn't seem to be working inside max... anyway, I made a bug report to Pd, please let me know if this will be checked out. thanks 2012/12/8 Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com it's at miller's page now: http://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html but I think it came out when MAX 5 was around. cheers 2012/12/8 Max abonneme...@revolwear.com I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed when Max was at version 4.something Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com : Hello, how's it going? Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX. We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate. I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this. I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only. Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd inside MAX. Bummer. cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?
great :-) good luck then. And I see you've been checking the bug I reported on my patch. Awesome, Thanks! I will put a newer and less costy version out soon. I can run up to 4 of those on one of the 2 cores of an i7 1.8, I was running only 2 of them before. Cheers! 2012/12/23 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu HI Alexandre - I mean to try to figure this out but want to get the next Pd release out first :) Miller ` On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 05:13:01PM -0200, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi, sorry to insist on this, but I think it is important and it really doesn't seem to be working inside max... anyway, I made a bug report to Pd, please let me know if this will be checked out. thanks 2012/12/8 Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com it's at miller's page now: http://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html but I think it came out when MAX 5 was around. cheers 2012/12/8 Max abonneme...@revolwear.com I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed when Max was at version 4.something Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com : Hello, how's it going? Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX. We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate. I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this. I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only. Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd inside MAX. Bummer. cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?
Hi, sorry to insist on this, but I think it is important and it really doesn't seem to be working inside max... anyway, I made a bug report to Pd, please let me know if this will be checked out. thanks 2012/12/8 Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com it's at miller's page now: http://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html but I think it came out when MAX 5 was around. cheers 2012/12/8 Max abonneme...@revolwear.com I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed when Max was at version 4.something Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com : Hello, how's it going? Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX. We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate. I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this. I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only. Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd inside MAX. Bummer. cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?
I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed when Max was at version 4.something Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com: Hello, how's it going? Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX. We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate. I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this. I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only. Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd inside MAX. Bummer. cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?
it's at miller's page now: http://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html but I think it came out when MAX 5 was around. cheers 2012/12/8 Max abonneme...@revolwear.com I could not get it to run in version 5 either. AFAIK pd~ was developed when Max was at version 4.something Also it is now removed on Ted Apel's site http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html Am 08.12.2012 um 08:34 schrieb Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com: Hello, how's it going? Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX. We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate. I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this. I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only. Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd inside MAX. Bummer. cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd~ for MAX/MSP - is it for real?
Hello, how's it going? Recently I thought this computer music course and told MAX users they could open Pd in it with the [pd~] object for MAX. We just couldn't make it happen. I don't have MAX, but I had tried a while ago without success either, thinking I might have been doing something wrong. Well, this time I was trying this with a few MAX users and it turns out the object doesn't really instantiate. I wonder if anyone has ever successfuly used this. I ask if it doesn't work on version 6 only. Anyway, it seems to me no one is actually tweaking and playing with Pd inside MAX. Bummer. cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd~ for max
Hi there, where can I find the max version of pd~? couldn't find it... i'm curious if or how max users could use my patches in there. Thanks alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for max
Its on Miller's site, I think. .hc On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi there, where can I find the max version of pd~? couldn't find it... i'm curious if or how max users could use my patches in there. Thanks alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for max
his site was the first place I looked I found this http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html but no [pd~] in it. website search usually ignores ~ and gives me back just pd. Miller, is it around somewhere? anyway, thinking of instead of building patches or coding obejcts for max about my research, I will just post [pd~] versions of it for those who wanna try it. cheers Alex 2011/12/9 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Its on Miller's site, I think. .hc On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi there, where can I find the max version of pd~? couldn't find it... i'm curious if or how max users could use my patches in there. Thanks alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for max
Damn, I don't seem to have a link up for this... anyhow, it's http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/Software/pdmax-02.tgz ... or to get teh newest, just grab the source from the pd distribution and compile for Max. cheers Miller On Fri, Dec 09, 2011 at 11:52:13PM -0200, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: his site was the first place I looked I found this http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html but no [pd~] in it. website search usually ignores ~ and gives me back just pd. Miller, is it around somewhere? anyway, thinking of instead of building patches or coding obejcts for max about my research, I will just post [pd~] versions of it for those who wanna try it. cheers Alex 2011/12/9 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Its on Miller's site, I think. .hc On Dec 8, 2011, at 1:38 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi there, where can I find the max version of pd~? couldn't find it... i'm curious if or how max users could use my patches in there. Thanks alex ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink-collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
THe board was called the gluiph: http://www.glui.de/ I think in the end he found it was much cheaper for him to use ARM- based commodity hardware. .hc On Feb 9, 2011, at 12:07 PM, hghoyer wrote: Thanks for all Your answers!! @ h.c.: - Pd is very portable and flexible and you can run it on many platforms:... - on hardware DSP chips ... Is that really true? And is that easy to handle? Can i easielie run a PD-Patch on a hardware DSP? Do You have any further Information about transfering a PD-Patch zo a DSP and what is with MAX/MSP, is a Max/MSP Patch able to run on a DSP, too? Dear, hgh 2011/2/9 Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt - its embeddable into other programming languages (libpd): C/C++ OpenFrameworks Java I really need to start using libpd .. argh argh.. not enough time for everything! :) On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: - its embeddable into other programming languages (libpd): C/C++ OpenFrameworks Java -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Hans-Gerd Hoyer +49 179 198 1830 phone +49 40 6730 69 08 fax http://www.hghoyer.de All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
Eating out similitude :) MAX - (Mac)-Donalds: shiny, clean-looking, polite(ish) staff, family-friendly, frozen food, 'bundle' menus, same reassuring tastes, customers attracted by to the 'experience' PD - Italian/[put your traditional cuisine here traditional restaurant/trattoria/pizzeria: not-so-shiny, not-so-clean, (un)friendly less marketing-oriented staff, strong language may be heard, fresh food preferably from local market, incredible variety and taste and of the food starting from what the smell, dish of the day depending on season/availability/owner's mood, customers attracted by food quality and/or people Lorenzo. hghoyer wrote: Dear all, I will start a interactive Sound Project with some Artists... They´ve Basic knowledge in Max... And i´m Fan of PD with Medium knowledge in PD... So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: * In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? * Synthesizer PRototyping with PS: If You want to transfer Your Patch completely in C++, Its easier with PD, because You can see the source code * ??? I´m happy about more Arguments, Thanks very much, hgh ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
Dear all, I will start a interactive Sound Project with some Artists... They´ve Basic knowledge in Max... And i´m Fan of PD with Medium knowledge in PD... So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: - In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? - Synthesizer PRototyping with PS: If You want to transfer Your Patch completely in C++, Its easier with PD, because You can see the source code - ??? I´m happy about more Arguments, Thanks very much, hgh ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
It is open source. You don't have to pay. You want to fuc* up the whole source and create your own PD. go ahead. Mine has parallel multicore support (openMP). On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:49 PM, hghoyer hgho...@googlemail.com wrote: Dear all, I will start a interactive Sound Project with some Artists... They´ve Basic knowledge in Max... And i´m Fan of PD with Medium knowledge in PD... So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: - In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? - Synthesizer PRototyping with PS: If You want to transfer Your Patch completely in C++, Its easier with PD, because You can see the source code - ??? I´m happy about more Arguments, Thanks very much, hgh ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: * In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? Yes, see: http://cycling74.com/products/sdk/ Apart from that, Pd is free and also runs on linux. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
$$ On Feb 8, 2011, at 9:49 AM, hghoyer wrote: Dear all, I will start a interactive Sound Project with some Artists... They´ve Basic knowledge in Max... And i´m Fan of PD with Medium knowledge in PD... So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? Synthesizer PRototyping with PS: If You want to transfer Your Patch completely in C++, Its easier with PD, because You can see the source code ??? I´m happy about more Arguments, Thanks very much, hgh ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
You can replicate the experience, lessons, send the work to different places ... otherwise restricts the knowledge. José 2011/2/8 Tedb0t li...@liminastudio.com: $$ On Feb 8, 2011, at 9:49 AM, hghoyer wrote: Dear all, I will start a interactive Sound Project with some Artists... They´ve Basic knowledge in Max... And i´m Fan of PD with Medium knowledge in PD... So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? Synthesizer PRototyping with PS: If You want to transfer Your Patch completely in C++, Its easier with PD, because You can see the source code ??? I´m happy about more Arguments, Thanks very much, hgh ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
You can run PD on your toaster. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 9:24 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuat...@gmail.com wrote: You can replicate the experience, lessons, send the work to different places ... otherwise restricts the knowledge. José 2011/2/8 Tedb0t li...@liminastudio.com: $$ On Feb 8, 2011, at 9:49 AM, hghoyer wrote: Dear all, I will start a interactive Sound Project with some Artists... They´ve Basic knowledge in Max... And i´m Fan of PD with Medium knowledge in PD... So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? Synthesizer PRototyping with PS: If You want to transfer Your Patch completely in C++, Its easier with PD, because You can see the source code ??? I´m happy about more Arguments, Thanks very much, hgh ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Web: http://www.morganpackard.com Music/Art: Latest album: Moment Again Elsewherehttp://www.anticipaterecordings.com/releases/ANT_011/index.php iOS app Thicket http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/thicket/id364824621?mt=8available on iTunes store . ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
On Feb 8, 2011, at 11:08 AM, martin.pe...@sympatico.ca martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote: So we´ve to compare PD with Max and then will decide for the better one... I prefer PD, so i need some Arguments for PD... Why PD and non Max? My Arguments are: * In PD you can easily write own Objects in PD (With C/C++ -- Is that in Max as possible like in PD ??? Yes, see: http://cycling74.com/products/sdk/ Apart from that, Pd is free and also runs on linux. It turns out that the Max/MSP and PD APIs are very close, so you can write/port externals for both without too much effort. - Pd is very portable and flexible and you can run it on many platforms: GNU/Linux Mac OS X Windows iPhoneOS Android Maemo on any embedded Linux-based system on hardware DSP chips integer-only mobile CPUs (PDa) - The MSP part of Max/MSP is built using the sources from Pd (see the startup screen on Max/MSP). - you can make highly-optimized builds for your own CPU. - its embeddable into other programming languages (libpd): C/C++ OpenFrameworks Java Any many more, depends really on what you want to do. .hc Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD or MAX/MSP -- Arguments fpr PD needet!!
- its embeddable into other programming languages (libpd): C/C++ OpenFrameworks Java I really need to start using libpd .. argh argh.. not enough time for everything! :) On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: - its embeddable into other programming languages (libpd): C/C++ OpenFrameworks Java -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes / http://pedrolopesresearch.wordpress.com/ | http://twitter.com/plopesresearch ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Hi all, in my experience there's no need to recompile externals for Max5 unless they are using new features or GUI stuff. I'll see if i can find some time to help out with this. gr~~~ Am 31.08.2009 um 16:18 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Thomas Grill http://g.org +43 699 19715543 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
i had to install the SDK http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/bin/view/ProductDocumentation/MaxUBSDK then using a .plist file from the examples which come with it it does this in xcode: Building target “pd~” of project “pd~” with configuration “Development” — (1 error) Checking Dependencies cd /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~ com.apple.tools.info-plist-utility /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/ src/pd~/Info.plist -genpkginfo /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/ build/Development/pd~.mxo/Contents/PkgInfo -expandbuildsettings -o / Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/Development/pd~.mxo/Contents/ Info.plist cd /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~ /Developer/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 -x c-header -arch i386 -pipe -Wno- trigraphs -fpascal-strings -fasm-blocks -O0 -DMSP -fmessage-length=0 - mfix-and-continue -mmacosx-version-min=10.4 -gdwarf-2 -I/Users/max/ Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/pd~.build/Development/pd~.build/pd~.hmap -Wmost -Wno-four-char-constants -Wno-unknown-pragmas -O0 -F/Users/max/ Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/Development -F/Developer/SDKs/ MacOSX10.4u.sdk/Library/Frameworks -I/Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/ pd~/build/Development/include -I../../c74support/max-includes -I../../ c74support/msp-includes -I/Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/build/ pd~.build/Development/pd~.build/DerivedSources -isysroot /Developer/ SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk -c /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/../../ c74support/max-includes/macho-prefix.h -o /Library/Caches/ com.apple.Xcode.501/SharedPrecompiledHeaders/macho-prefix- deodejqxgbrbvtcxomjgfungpesf/macho-prefix.h.gch i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: /Users/max/Downloads/pdmax/src/pd~/../../ c74support/max-includes/macho-prefix.h: No such file or directory i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: warning: '-x c-header' after last input file has no effect i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files i686-apple-darwin9-gcc-4.0.1: no input files Build failed (1 error) Am 01.09.2009 um 14:26 schrieb Thomas Grill: Hi all, in my experience there's no need to recompile externals for Max5 unless they are using new features or GUI stuff. I'll see if i can find some time to help out with this. gr~~~ Am 31.08.2009 um 16:18 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Hi Marius, For Max 4, that's the symptom I got -- even after hitting the max DSP 1 button on the patch -- until I went into the audio settings panel and actually got sound running in and out of hardware. For me at least, the Max scheduler apparently didn't even run the DSP objects unless audio was physically going in and out. For Max5, the API is supposedly unchanged (except, as Thomas Grill mentioned, GUI stuff that pd~ doesn't use). However, the scheduler or audio I/O systems might be different for example -- so this is probably going to take some fooling around to debug. cheers Miller On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:40:09AM +0200, marius schebella wrote: Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
okay! so what I have to do is: start the help patch with max4, then open Options - DSP Status (If I try to open the panel later, I get an error saying error: Bad file descriptor) then I had to replace the opendialog with a simple message starting with /Users/marius..., as opposed to what I got before mac_hd:/Users/marius and then I clicked on this message, pd would start up and spit out a message with a lot of zeros. and then I start sound as you said from the DSP Status window. hmmm... actually trying the whole thing again, it now works by just starting pd with the pddir message and the start message and *then* clicking on ;dsp start. but only once, I cannot stop pd and start it again, that brings me into freeze mode again.. ah, it works if I turn off dsp in max before stopping pd, and then start it again, and then turn on dsp again. marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: No, I mean the Max thing... I don't have Max here, but maybe it's called DSP preferences? cheers M On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 06:07:35PM +0200, marius schebella wrote: hi, thanks miller, are you talking about the pd audio settings? cause the dialog won't open up either, everything is frozen. with physically going in and out, you mean connecting a cable to the mini jack of your macbook(pro)?? should I also say a small prayer? or use my little max voodoo doll. no, seriously, I could still not get it running, sorry. do I need jack for this to work? best, marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: Hi Marius, For Max 4, that's the symptom I got -- even after hitting the max DSP 1 button on the patch -- until I went into the audio settings panel and actually got sound running in and out of hardware. ?For me at least, the Max scheduler apparently didn't even run the DSP objects unless audio was physically going in and out. For Max5, the API is supposedly unchanged (except, as Thomas Grill mentioned, GUI stuff that pd~ doesn't use). ?However, the scheduler or audio I/O systems might be different for example -- so this is probably going to take some fooling around to debug. cheers Miller On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:40:09AM +0200, marius schebella wrote: Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. ?Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going ?in and out of Max. ?Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. ?It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
yep :) in effect it works quite fine for me in Max4 only - using the external I compiled tonigth with Max5 SDK - but it does not works yet in Max5... fred marius schebella wrote: okay! so what I have to do is: start the help patch with max4, then open Options - DSP Status (If I try to open the panel later, I get an error saying error: Bad file descriptor) then I had to replace the opendialog with a simple message starting with /Users/marius..., as opposed to what I got before mac_hd:/Users/marius and then I clicked on this message, pd would start up and spit out a message with a lot of zeros. and then I start sound as you said from the DSP Status window. hmmm... actually trying the whole thing again, it now works by just starting pd with the pddir message and the start message and *then* clicking on ;dsp start. but only once, I cannot stop pd and start it again, that brings me into freeze mode again.. ah, it works if I turn off dsp in max before stopping pd, and then start it again, and then turn on dsp again. marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: No, I mean the Max thing... I don't have Max here, but maybe it's called DSP preferences? cheers M On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 06:07:35PM +0200, marius schebella wrote: hi, thanks miller, are you talking about the pd audio settings? cause the dialog won't open up either, everything is frozen. with physically going in and out, you mean connecting a cable to the mini jack of your macbook(pro)?? should I also say a small prayer? or use my little max voodoo doll. no, seriously, I could still not get it running, sorry. do I need jack for this to work? best, marius. 2009/9/1 Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu: Hi Marius, For Max 4, that's the symptom I got -- even after hitting the max DSP 1 button on the patch -- until I went into the audio settings panel and actually got sound running in and out of hardware. ?For me at least, the Max scheduler apparently didn't even run the DSP objects unless audio was physically going in and out. For Max5, the API is supposedly unchanged (except, as Thomas Grill mentioned, GUI stuff that pd~ doesn't use). ?However, the scheduler or audio I/O systems might be different for example -- so this is probably going to take some fooling around to debug. cheers Miller On Tue, Sep 01, 2009 at 09:40:09AM +0200, marius schebella wrote: Hi, I tried to run pd~ on max4 and max5, but no luck either. with max4 i can create a pd~ object with inlets and outlets, and when I start pd, the pd window starts up, but nothing else happens. max freezes, I guess trying to open the pd~-subprocess.pd patch? on max5 the situation is exactly the same as fred-ordi described, an object box without in and outlets (although in the help-patch there *are* ins and outs), and with a message in the max window saying pd~ version 0.2. but clicking on start pd~... does nothing. tried different settings for the directory, too, no change. I used 0.42.5. and 10.5.8. I can try to compile pd~ for 10.5 later today. is there someone who has pd~ running on osx? which versions of max and pd are you using? marius. Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. ?Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going ?in and out of Max. ?Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. ?It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
I don't think it's impossible. Right now pd~ uses posix pipes, which appear to be available for windows -- but the microsoft-supplied version seemed to have license restrictions that prevented me from using it (e.g., wouldn't be compilable under third-party development platforms). This situation might change (or might already have changed), or indeed there might be a good alternative way to handle the intercommunication (sockets?). It's not a high priority for me right now, I'm afraid. cheers Miller On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 08:51:06PM -0700, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Miller, Will [pd~] ever be available for windows machines? Or is it just not possible to implement (I remember reading about some technical hurdle but I can't remember what it is at the moment)? Thanks, Jonathan --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu wrote: From: Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [PD] pd~ for Max To: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:35 AM Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack.? It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~? for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Or more likely, a ton of headaches!
~Kyle
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote:
Now with Csound for Pd and Max for Live, you could have Csound for Pd for
Max for Live!
.hc
On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:51 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Hi Miller,
Will [pd~] ever be available for windows machines? Or is it just not
possible to implement (I remember reading about some technical hurdle
but I can't remember what it is at the moment)?
Thanks,
Jonathan
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu wrote:
From: Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu
Subject: Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
To: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com
Cc: pd-list@iem.at
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:35 AM
Oops, sorry about that... I
reorganized some stuff and that fell
through a crack. It's back up on:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htmlhttp://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html
cheers
Miller
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote:
Hi List,
i've been asked by students where to download the
starter drug ?pd~
for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it
is available?
It's neither here:
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.htmlhttp://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Etapel/software.html
nor
http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.htmlhttp://crca.ucsd.edu/%7Emsp/software.html
and here neither:
http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M
max
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Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
hum, I'd like to but I never used xcodeproject (3.0 with 10.5.8) something particular to clic on ? (have only experience with terminals in linuxppc ;)) fred Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
So, I copyed the MaxAPIs in /Library/Frameworks/ as required in xcodeprojet, then got this error : ...pd~.mxo/Contents/Infoplist does not exist (build failed) fred Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: It probably needs to be compiled for Max5. Anyone with Max5 want to give it a shot? .hc On Aug 31, 2009, at 3:43 AM, fred-ordi wrote: yes, here same with Pd-0.42-5 and Max5 on OSX 10.5.8, not yet succeed in: Max window tells nothing about something wrong (pd~ version 0.2 printed to Max window when instantiated) but the pd~ object in pd~.help patcher appears with a dark foreground colorlike if the external is wrong... Cheers, Fred Miller Puckette wrote: Oh... good idea (I have only Max 4; my OS is too old to upgrade to 5) thanks M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 08:32:27PM +0200, Max wrote: pd~ for max does not even launch Pd here. DSP is on. Is there anybody else on the Pd-list who has Max5 installed on OS X who could try this out? thx, Max Am 28.08.2009 um 19:54 schrieb Miller Puckette: I had the same problem for a while... for pd~ to work not only do you have to start dsp in the help window but you also have to have audio going in and out of Max. Otherwise Pd start up but does nothing. cheers M On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 04:47:11PM +0200, Max wrote: I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Now with Csound for Pd and Max for Live, you could have Csound for Pd for Max for Live! .hc On Aug 27, 2009, at 11:51 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Hi Miller, Will [pd~] ever be available for windows machines? Or is it just not possible to implement (I remember reading about some technical hurdle but I can't remember what it is at the moment)? Thanks, Jonathan --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu wrote: From: Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [PD] pd~ for Max To: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:35 AM Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
I'm having trouble getting it to run - there is no INSTALL instructions, but i guess pd~.mxo lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-externals/ and pd~.help lives in /Applications/Max5/Cycling\ '74/msp-help/ allthough the other files are called .maxhelp, not .help i restarted Max and created a pd~ Object, it has no in or outlets but i can open the Help from there, switch Audio on and Select the Pd-0.42-5.app but nothing happens. what am i doing wrong? Am 28.08.2009 um 05:35 schrieb Miller Puckette: Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd~ for Max
Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug “pd~ for Max” and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd~ for Max
Hi Miller, Will [pd~] ever be available for windows machines? Or is it just not possible to implement (I remember reading about some technical hurdle but I can't remember what it is at the moment)? Thanks, Jonathan --- On Fri, 8/28/09, Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu wrote: From: Miller Puckette mpuck...@imusic1.ucsd.edu Subject: Re: [PD] pd~ for Max To: Max abonneme...@revolwear.com Cc: pd-list@iem.at Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 5:35 AM Oops, sorry about that... I reorganized some stuff and that fell through a crack. It's back up on: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html cheers Miller On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 03:21:57AM +0200, Max wrote: Hi List, i've been asked by students where to download the starter drug ?pd~ for Max? and i could not find it myself - i thought it is available? It's neither here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~tapel/software.html nor http://crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html and here neither: http://www.maxobjects.com/?v=authorsinitiale=M max ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
How about a list of things that are special, and could be put into pd to make it more special? - Find should work with symbol-text strings. Pd has the great feature of naming local variables with $0-xxx. But if I'm looking for all objects with $0-xx, or all ocurrences of $4 in a patch, that won't work with find. Also using the specific-assigned number (e.g. 1024-xxx instead of $0-xxx) won't do the trick. - Find doesn't work with partial strings. If I'm looking for all ocurrences of INIT (which might be in several objects like sends, receives, table~, etc.), it only looks for complete objects. I would have to look for s INIT, r INIT, etc. etc. - all objects based on invisible cords (sends- and receive-based objects) could have a shortcut to its counterparts like in max. I personally avoid these kinds of objects as much as possible, but in some situations they are the only viable sollution. - Comments with line breaks. It's funny how people get used to some strange restrictions, when they're probably easy (?) to solve. What sense is it in making 5 diferent text strings for a list with 5 items, that is anyway supposed to look like one object? - auto-setting size for objects? if you have a gate object with more than 4 outputs (or any other object), you'll need to make some garbage text or something in order to work with it. since it is quite logical that when the user needs outputs they should be acessible, an elegant solution would be to assign a minimal value to the gap between outputs. if the standard space of the object isn't big enough, the object will make itself bigger automatically. Although the stretching possibility in max is quite useful as well. is there a place in the wiki or something to put suggestions like these? after all the complaining, here is a list of features that are special to pd. * open source: you can always dig into the deep universe of code to see how things are done. and change things according to your needs * no licencing: that means you don't pay money to be allowed to program in pd. (the player is free also in max). but it also means that you don't have to fiddle around with the licence when you install (which usually takes a day) or that you licence can expire or that you will have to redo this when you buy new hardware. * no messing around with floats and ints. no mistakes because you forget a dot (for example in [/ 10.]) that also includes that you can create arithmetic operators without arguments. whereas in max the default is integer. which means you cannot just type [/]. * possibility to edit abstractions! in max you always have to open the abstraction itself which is more than annoying. * possibility to save your patch with an open subpatch window in the front. (max thinks, you want to save the subpatch as a seperate new patch...) * no list object (ok, there is [zl reg]) * no [t a b] * as far as I know no settable sliders. (slider 200 will have a fixed size and a fixed scale (0-199 - linear) (might be wrong with that). * no keyboard shortcuts to create objects/messages (ctl+1...). there is a max toolbox, but that does not work reliable. unpack does not work for symbols in max. (but I am sure you can do that somehow else) diffs: two things that are different in max: [trigger 5 b] takes 5 as a number and not as a selector. when you bang it, even when you feed in another int, it will still output 5 and not zero as in pd. messages also remember their last value that you sent through them, so if you bang a message [$1 $2( it will spit out the last values and not 0 0. (only at the beginning as default) * max does not run on linux ... m. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 Mob +49 162 6843570 [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5, Pd Van 0.40-t2 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
Hi IOhannes~ I think that João means that in Max/MSP you can somehow click on a send or receive object and automatically view the corresponding receive or send. I don't have Max so I don't know if this is accurate. It sounds awesome though! ~Kyle On Dec 7, 2007 10:50 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi João Miguel Pais wrote: - all objects based on invisible cords (sends- and receive-based objects) could have a shortcut to its counterparts like in max. I personally avoid these kinds of objects as much as possible, but in some situations they are the only viable solution. i though max/msp has send/receive too. -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
hi João Miguel Pais wrote: How about a list of things that are special, and could be put into pd to make it more special? - all objects based on invisible cords (sends- and receive-based objects) could have a shortcut to its counterparts like in max. I personally avoid these kinds of objects as much as possible, but in some situations they are the only viable solution. i though max/msp has send/receive too. - auto-setting size for objects? if you have a gate object with more than 4 outputs (or any other object), you'll need to make some garbage text or hmm; apart from the fact that [gate] does not exist as an object in Pd, i also thought that it has only one output... something in order to work with it. since it is quite logical that when the user needs outputs they should be acessible, an elegant solution would be to assign a minimal value to the gap between outputs. if the standard space of the object isn't big enough, the object will make itself bigger automatically. Although the stretching possibility in max is quite useful as well. afaik, max/msp has both: the object automatically resizes to a suitable default, but the user can then resize the object to their likings. is there a place in the wiki or something to put suggestions like these? one place to put them would be the tracker at sourceforge (create a bug-report and tag it as wishlist or feature request). btw, i like all of your ideas fma.s IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
On Sat, 2007-12-08 at 02:22 +0100, João Miguel Pais wrote: - auto-setting size for objects? if you have a gate object with more than 4 outputs (or any other object), you'll need to make some garbage text or hmm; apart from the fact that [gate] does not exist as an object in Pd, i also thought that it has only one output... it exists, I'm looking at one now. if not gate, then something else with more outputs as body. no, there is no objectclass called 'gate' as part of pd yes, there is an objectclass 'gate' as part of the cyclone and one as part of iemlib1 external roman ___ Der fr�he Vogel f�ngt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
There is the GuiIdeas wiki page, for other things, feel free to add pages. .hc On Dec 7, 2007, at 6:21 AM, João Miguel Pais wrote: How about a list of things that are special, and could be put into pd to make it more special? - Find should work with symbol-text strings. Pd has the great feature of naming local variables with $0-xxx. But if I'm looking for all objects with $0-xx, or all ocurrences of $4 in a patch, that won't work with find. Also using the specific-assigned number (e.g. 1024-xxx instead of $0-xxx) won't do the trick. - Find doesn't work with partial strings. If I'm looking for all ocurrences of INIT (which might be in several objects like sends, receives, table~, etc.), it only looks for complete objects. I would have to look for s INIT, r INIT, etc. etc. - all objects based on invisible cords (sends- and receive-based objects) could have a shortcut to its counterparts like in max. I personally avoid these kinds of objects as much as possible, but in some situations they are the only viable sollution. - Comments with line breaks. It's funny how people get used to some strange restrictions, when they're probably easy (?) to solve. What sense is it in making 5 diferent text strings for a list with 5 items, that is anyway supposed to look like one object? - auto-setting size for objects? if you have a gate object with more than 4 outputs (or any other object), you'll need to make some garbage text or something in order to work with it. since it is quite logical that when the user needs outputs they should be acessible, an elegant solution would be to assign a minimal value to the gap between outputs. if the standard space of the object isn't big enough, the object will make itself bigger automatically. Although the stretching possibility in max is quite useful as well. is there a place in the wiki or something to put suggestions like these? after all the complaining, here is a list of features that are special to pd. * open source: you can always dig into the deep universe of code to see how things are done. and change things according to your needs * no licencing: that means you don't pay money to be allowed to program in pd. (the player is free also in max). but it also means that you don't have to fiddle around with the licence when you install (which usually takes a day) or that you licence can expire or that you will have to redo this when you buy new hardware. * no messing around with floats and ints. no mistakes because you forget a dot (for example in [/ 10.]) that also includes that you can create arithmetic operators without arguments. whereas in max the default is integer. which means you cannot just type [/]. * possibility to edit abstractions! in max you always have to open the abstraction itself which is more than annoying. * possibility to save your patch with an open subpatch window in the front. (max thinks, you want to save the subpatch as a seperate new patch...) * no list object (ok, there is [zl reg]) * no [t a b] * as far as I know no settable sliders. (slider 200 will have a fixed size and a fixed scale (0-199 - linear) (might be wrong with that). * no keyboard shortcuts to create objects/messages (ctl+1...). there is a max toolbox, but that does not work reliable. unpack does not work for symbols in max. (but I am sure you can do that somehow else) diffs: two things that are different in max: [trigger 5 b] takes 5 as a number and not as a selector. when you bang it, even when you feed in another int, it will still output 5 and not zero as in pd. messages also remember their last value that you sent through them, so if you bang a message [$1 $2( it will spit out the last values and not 0 0. (only at the beginning as default) * max does not run on linux ... m. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin Deutschland Tel +49 30 42020091 Mob +49 162 6843570 [EMAIL PROTECTED] skype: jmmmpjmmmp http://www.puredata.org/Members/jmmmp IBM Thinkpad R51, XP, Pd-Ext-0.39-2-t5, Pd Van 0.40-t2 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
oh, forgot find last error, even if this does not work all the time, it really helped me save a lot of time. plus find feature is also not implemented in max. marius. marius schebella wrote: hi, after all the complaining, here is a list of features that are special to pd. * open source: you can always dig into the deep universe of code to see how things are done. and change things according to your needs * no licencing: that means you don't pay money to be allowed to program in pd. (the player is free also in max). but it also means that you don't have to fiddle around with the licence when you install (which usually takes a day) or that you licence can expire or that you will have to redo this when you buy new hardware. * no messing around with floats and ints. no mistakes because you forget a dot (for example in [/ 10.]) that also includes that you can create arithmetic operators without arguments. whereas in max the default is integer. which means you cannot just type [/]. * possibility to edit abstractions! in max you always have to open the abstraction itself which is more than annoying. * possibility to save your patch with an open subpatch window in the front. (max thinks, you want to save the subpatch as a seperate new patch...) * no list object (ok, there is [zl reg]) * no [t a b] * as far as I know no settable sliders. (slider 200 will have a fixed size and a fixed scale (0-199 - linear) (might be wrong with that). * no keyboard shortcuts to create objects/messages (ctl+1...). there is a max toolbox, but that does not work reliable. unpack does not work for symbols in max. (but I am sure you can do that somehow else) diffs: two things that are different in max: [trigger 5 b] takes 5 as a number and not as a selector. when you bang it, even when you feed in another int, it will still output 5 and not zero as in pd. messages also remember their last value that you sent through them, so if you bang a message [$1 $2( it will spit out the last values and not 0 0. (only at the beginning as default) * max does not run on linux ... m. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pd and max (2)
hi, after all the complaining, here is a list of features that are special to pd. * open source: you can always dig into the deep universe of code to see how things are done. and change things according to your needs * no licencing: that means you don't pay money to be allowed to program in pd. (the player is free also in max). but it also means that you don't have to fiddle around with the licence when you install (which usually takes a day) or that you licence can expire or that you will have to redo this when you buy new hardware. * no messing around with floats and ints. no mistakes because you forget a dot (for example in [/ 10.]) that also includes that you can create arithmetic operators without arguments. whereas in max the default is integer. which means you cannot just type [/]. * possibility to edit abstractions! in max you always have to open the abstraction itself which is more than annoying. * possibility to save your patch with an open subpatch window in the front. (max thinks, you want to save the subpatch as a seperate new patch...) * no list object (ok, there is [zl reg]) * no [t a b] * as far as I know no settable sliders. (slider 200 will have a fixed size and a fixed scale (0-199 - linear) (might be wrong with that). * no keyboard shortcuts to create objects/messages (ctl+1...). there is a max toolbox, but that does not work reliable. unpack does not work for symbols in max. (but I am sure you can do that somehow else) diffs: two things that are different in max: [trigger 5 b] takes 5 as a number and not as a selector. when you bang it, even when you feed in another int, it will still output 5 and not zero as in pd. messages also remember their last value that you sent through them, so if you bang a message [$1 $2( it will spit out the last values and not 0 0. (only at the beginning as default) * max does not run on linux ... m. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:45:41PM -0500, marius schebella wrote: * no licencing: that means you don't pay money to be allowed to program in pd. (the player is free also in max). but it also means that you don't have to fiddle around with the licence when you install (which usually takes a day) or that you licence can expire or that you will have to redo this when you buy new hardware. In fact, Pd has such a free license that you can even fork it and make your own closed-source commercial product out of it if you want. The only requirement is that you include the license and copyright. Best, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
On Thu, 6 Dec 2007, marius schebella wrote: find last error, even if this does not work all the time, it really helped me save a lot of time. Btw, find last error in DesireData works pretty much all of the time. In PureData, find last error relies on the good will of external (and internal) developers to use pd_error() instead of error(). In DesireData, pd_error() is obsolete and deprecated. With a little more work, DesireData's find last error will be able to actually select all objects involved in the message chain leading to the error! e.g.: [loadbang] | [tgl] | [metro 666] | [f] | [symbol] would select the last three objects, because [metro]'s bang led to 0 which led to no method for float. the start of the message chain is usually [metro], [delay], [gemhead] and other clock-driven classes (so [tgl] can't be found to be the ancestor of the error). _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard - tél:+1.514.383.3801, Montréal QC Canada___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd and max (2)
Chris McCormick wrote: On Thu, Dec 06, 2007 at 07:45:41PM -0500, marius schebella wrote: In fact, Pd has such a free license that you can even fork it and make your own closed-source commercial product out of it if you want. The only requirement is that you include the license and copyright. and having a free license does not mean that it has no licencing. a license is not the same as a license key or a license fee. instead it is a contract between the user and the owner of the code (or something like this) fgmadsr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
