Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread Miller Puckette
> A checkbox in the audio settings? > > [X] Autostart jack server on pd startup > > On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:11 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: > > > From: yvan volochine > > Subject: Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness > > Date: June 26, 2013 6:28:57 AM E

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread Dan Wilcox
A checkbox in the audio settings? [X] Autostart jack server on pd startup On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:11 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote: > From: yvan volochine > Subject: Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness > Date: June 26, 2013 6:28:57 AM EDT > To: pd-list > > > On 26/06

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-26 14:11, Nick Lanham wrote: > >> >> I would expect a call to `jack_client_open()` when I turn DSP on, >> not when I launch an app with which I might not make audio at >> all.. > > Agreed. If I don't turn on DSP, PD probably shouldn't st

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread yvan volochine
On 26/06/13 14:11, Nick Lanham wrote: * ardour3 does not - Yes it does. It will pop up a dialog asking you to configure jack first, but it does start it. of course you're right, my mistake.. I would expect a call to `jack_client_open()` when I turn DSP on, not when I launch an app with whi

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread Nick Lanham
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, yvan volochine wrote: On 26/06/13 12:57, Nick Lanham wrote: In my experience, most people using jack these days are aware that most clients will autostart the server if they haven't started it, and it does not confuse them. yeah well in my experience you don't need to op

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-26 12:29, batinste wrote: > On 26/06/2013 11:31, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2013-06-26 > 11:16, batinste wrote: I guess that asking Ardour's main dev (Paul Davis, also one of jackd's devs) about the expected behaviour of a jack

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread yvan volochine
On 26/06/13 12:57, Nick Lanham wrote: In my experience, most people using jack these days are aware that most clients will autostart the server if they haven't started it, and it does not confuse them. yeah well in my expericence you don't need to open a terminal and kill jackd because an app

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread Nick Lanham
On Wed, 26 Jun 2013, yvan volochine wrote: but please provide a way to disable this autostart-audio feature. (I don't know any audio app which starts jack for me Any jack application that calls jack_client_open and does not pass JackNoStartServer will have this behavior. You probably just ha

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread yvan volochine
On 26/06/13 11:31, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: yes, i would like to have an "-audio auto" switch, that will try to get*any* audio backend (e.g. jack, alsa, oss, dummy; in that order) i even think that this should be the default (e.g. when you start Pd with no arguments and uninitialized settings)

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread batinste
On 26/06/2013 11:31, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-26 11:16, batinste wrote: I guess that asking Ardour's main dev (Paul Davis, also one of jackd's devs) about the expected behaviour of a jack app would be a good idea. i'd rather ask the en

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-06-26 11:16, batinste wrote: > I guess that asking Ardour's main dev (Paul Davis, also one of > jackd's devs) about the expected behaviour of a jack app would be a > good idea. i'd rather ask the entire jack-dev crew. while paul has written th

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-26 Thread batinste
I guess that asking Ardour's main dev (Paul Davis, also one of jackd's devs) about the expected behaviour of a jack app would be a good idea. While Ardour without audio is pretty useless (not so true anymore since it does midi now, but well), Pd is not, so my take on this is "don't do anything

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-25 Thread IOhannes zmölnig
On 06/25/2013 01:24 PM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: > On 24/06/2013 18:58, Miller Puckette wrote: >> Thanks... I'm toying with a middle solution, which would be simply to >> open >> jack with the JackNoStartServer option (one of JackOpenOptions). >> I think this is a good idea anyway as the user might wa

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-25 Thread Lorenzo Sutton
On 24/06/2013 18:58, Miller Puckette wrote: Thanks... I'm toying with a middle solution, which would be simply to open jack with the JackNoStartServer option (one of JackOpenOptions). I think this is a good idea anyway as the user might want to specify jack options and it seems wrong to have Pd g

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-24 Thread yvan volochine
On 24/06/13 18:58, Miller Puckette wrote: Thanks... I'm toying with a middle solution, which would be simply to open jack with the JackNoStartServer option (one of JackOpenOptions). I think this is a good idea anyway as the user might want to specify jack options and it seems wrong to have Pd get

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-24 Thread Miller Puckette
Thanks... I'm toying with a middle solution, which would be simply to open jack with the JackNoStartServer option (one of JackOpenOptions). I think this is a good idea anyway as the user might want to specify jack options and it seems wrong to have Pd get involved in that. cheers Miller On Mon,

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-24 Thread Ivica Bukvic
Miller, I think I solved the hang part in pd-l2ork implementation that is based on the older model that allows disconnection and reconnection practically under any circumstances. The only downside is if you yank the USB soundcard while jack is running pd waits on jack to report that it lost the so

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-24 Thread yvan volochine
hi Miller, Are you using 0.44? (I don't think 0.45 exists yet :) yeah sorry, 0.44 (pd-0.45-0-test) The only relevant thing I can find in recent commits is a change from jack_client_new() to jack_client_open() back in 2010. With apologies, here is the commit I found... commit 1022e5687bb57

Re: [PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-23 Thread Miller Puckette
Are you using 0.44? (I don't think 0.45 exists yet :) The only relevant thing I can find in recent commits is a change from jack_client_new() to jack_client_open() back in 2010. With apologies, here is the commit I found... commit 1022e5687bb5785904ba1b1977a9a29c9b6b25dc Author: IOhannes m zmoe

[PD] pd-0.45 + jack == weirdness

2013-06-23 Thread yvan volochine
hi list! I seem to recall some changes about the way pd and jackd interact together but I couldn't find the related info online so forgive me if that was discussed already.. before, if I launched pd without jack running, pd would take more time to launch with a bunch of messages complaining