Re: [PD] smartphone advice
The only real missing piece is the audio I/O, but that is not too hard to do. Ideally, the rjdj crew would release their audio I/O code to be included in Pd-vanilla and we should share the work of maintenance and improvements. But that's not the only way to get it done. I'm here at Mobile Art Code talking with Memo Akten and Zach Gage, the two openFrameworks/iPhone developers, and they have open source audio code that should be pretty easy to plug into Pd. SuperCollider has been ported to the iPhone too, but I haven't been able to find that code. as I understood, openframeworks is using rtAudio, which is certainly a good choice, as it is designed for real-time. But why portaudio (the current audio implementation in pd if I'm right) would not work on an iPhone ? loic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
On Nov 8, 2009, at 3:59 AM, loic kessous wrote: The only real missing piece is the audio I/O, but that is not too hard to do. Ideally, the rjdj crew would release their audio I/O code to be included in Pd-vanilla and we should share the work of maintenance and improvements. But that's not the only way to get it done. I'm here at Mobile Art Code talking with Memo Akten and Zach Gage, the two openFrameworks/iPhone developers, and they have open source audio code that should be pretty easy to plug into Pd. SuperCollider has been ported to the iPhone too, but I haven't been able to find that code. as I understood, openframeworks is using rtAudio, which is certainly a good choice, as it is designed for real-time. But why portaudio (the current audio implementation in pd if I'm right) would not work on an iPhone ? loic The iPhone uses the AudioQueue API for sound I/O, which portaudio does not support. .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
Hallo! João Pais schrieb: how about control? I was hoping of in the future perform in the middle of the room with a htc magic (or something) controlling my patch on the laptop in the stage. is osc already available in all these platforms? Yeah, there is such an application (with osc) on the android phone ... LG Georg Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the works. Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you don't need to heed Apple's lame restrictions. .hc On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote: SO this is certainly interesting When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what does that mean? THe pd gui works? I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go with the android phone. On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: THere are a number of developments in this regard: - Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android and Apple iPhoneOS. Maemo should be pretty easy too. No audio yet, but that's in the works. - Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS. You can install Debian in parallel with Android. - you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc. rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work well there. Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since the platform is a lot more open. .hc On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote: same problem here, not sure what to get. another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900, which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo (nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo - it was possible to get pd-anywhere running. But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything. for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone. marius. 2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://grh.mur.at ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
iphone Android Palm Windows Mobile N900 :) ciao, Marco -- ,= ,-_-. =. --- + ((_/)o o(\_)) jabber:kpa...@jabber.linux.it/msn:kpa...@muppetslab.org | `-'(. .)`-#muppets...@irc.freenode.net | \_/ Music is interface | ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
Hi Hans, I'm curious about the iPhone port: What's the main broad goal of this effort? (I mean other than the obvious of having Pd working on iPhone, which will be great!). Is the plan to have Pd for iPhone as an open-source app for the community? - i.e. for jailbroken itouch things? Will the audio i/o code be open source (is that even possible with Apple), and if so, which license? Or is this a private experiment? Can you elaborate, or did I miss something on the list? cheers Nick On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:46 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yes of course. RIght now you can do everything in a Pd patch in both Android and iPhoneOS except input/output audio or MIDI. So netsend/netreceive work, for example. You could build a streaming externals to stream audio in/out. We'll get the audio stuff ironed out soon, there is some code in the works. .hc On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:53 PM, João Pais wrote: how about control? I was hoping of in the future perform in the middle of the room with a htc magic (or something) controlling my patch on the laptop in the stage. is osc already available in all these platforms? Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the works. Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you don't need to heed Apple's lame restrictions. .hc On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote: SO this is certainly interesting When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what does that mean? THe pd gui works? I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go with the android phone. On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: THere are a number of developments in this regard: - Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android and Apple iPhoneOS. Maemo should be pretty easy too. No audio yet, but that's in the works. - Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS. You can install Debian in parallel with Android. - you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc. rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work well there. Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since the platform is a lot more open. .hc On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote: same problem here, not sure what to get. another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900, which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo (nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo - it was possible to get pd-anywhere running. But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything. for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone. marius. 2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.-David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
SO this is certainly interesting When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what does that mean? THe pd gui works? I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go with the android phone. On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: THere are a number of developments in this regard: - Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android and Apple iPhoneOS. Maemo should be pretty easy too. No audio yet, but that's in the works. - Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS. You can install Debian in parallel with Android. - you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc. rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work well there. Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since the platform is a lot more open. .hc On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote: same problem here, not sure what to get. another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900, which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo (nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo - it was possible to get pd-anywhere running. But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything. for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone. marius. 2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the works. Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you don't need to heed Apple's lame restrictions. .hc On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote: SO this is certainly interesting When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what does that mean? THe pd gui works? I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go with the android phone. On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: THere are a number of developments in this regard: - Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android and Apple iPhoneOS. Maemo should be pretty easy too. No audio yet, but that's in the works. - Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS. You can install Debian in parallel with Android. - you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc. rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work well there. Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since the platform is a lot more open. .hc On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote: same problem here, not sure what to get. another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900, which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo (nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo - it was possible to get pd-anywhere running. But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything. for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone. marius. 2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
Yes of course. RIght now you can do everything in a Pd patch in both Android and iPhoneOS except input/output audio or MIDI. So netsend/ netreceive work, for example. You could build a streaming externals to stream audio in/out. We'll get the audio stuff ironed out soon, there is some code in the works. .hc On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:53 PM, João Pais wrote: how about control? I was hoping of in the future perform in the middle of the room with a htc magic (or something) controlling my patch on the laptop in the stage. is osc already available in all these platforms? Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the works. Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you don't need to heed Apple's lame restrictions. .hc On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote: SO this is certainly interesting When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what does that mean? THe pd gui works? I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go with the android phone. On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: THere are a number of developments in this regard: - Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android and Apple iPhoneOS. Maemo should be pretty easy too. No audio yet, but that's in the works. - Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS. You can install Debian in parallel with Android. - you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc. rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work well there. Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since the platform is a lot more open. .hc On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote: same problem here, not sure what to get. another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900, which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo (nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo - it was possible to get pd-anywhere running. But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything. for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone. marius. 2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick. -David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] smartphone advice
I know the subject of this post sounds like it would be more apt for Which? Mobile or something, but please bear with me.the reason for me posting here will become clear :) i will be getting a new smartphone soon, now I have a few choices: iphone Android Palm Windows Mobile I would like to know which would best for making sounds with, and in the future, running Pd on ultimately. I know iPhone shared the glut of music apps at present, and Android is seemingly devoid of audio apps. I guess the Palm isn't really relevant. For some reason i am turned off the the idea of an iphone - that isn't an anti-apple thing - all the computers i use are apple. I am attracted to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, and in the future due to the nature of the platform, is best stead for things to come. What a crazy scenario! So my question is; what is the best, or WILL be the best smartphone for running audio apps? cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] smartphone advice
I know the subject of this post sounds like it would be more apt for 'Which? Mobile' or something, but please bear with me.the reason for me posting here will become clear :) i will be getting a new smartphone soon, now I have a few choices: iphone Android Palm Windows Mobile I would like to know which would best for making sounds with, and in the future, running Pd on ultimately. I know iPhone owns the glut of music apps at present, and Android is seemingly devoid of audio apps. I guess the Palm isn't really relevant. For some reason i am turned off the the idea of an iphone - that isn't an anti-apple thing - all the computers i use are apple. I am attracted to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, and in the future due to the nature of the platform, is best stead for things to come. What a crazy scenario! So my question is; what is the best, or WILL be the best smartphone for running audio apps? And ultimately your recommendation to me? cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
same problem here, not sure what to get. another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900, which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo (nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo - it was possible to get pd-anywhere running. But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything. for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone. marius. 2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] smartphone advice
THere are a number of developments in this regard: - Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android and Apple iPhoneOS. Maemo should be pretty easy too. No audio yet, but that's in the works. - Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS. You can install Debian in parallel with Android. - you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc. rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work well there. Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since the platform is a lot more open. .hc On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote: same problem here, not sure what to get. another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900, which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo (nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo - it was possible to get pd-anywhere running. But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything. for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone. marius. 2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote: to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front soon, I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT. Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.- David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list