Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-08 Thread loic kessous


 The only real missing piece is the audio I/O, but that is not too hard to
 do.  Ideally, the rjdj crew would release their audio I/O code to be
 included in Pd-vanilla and we should share the work of maintenance and
 improvements.  But that's not the only way to get it done.  I'm here at
 Mobile Art  Code talking with Memo Akten and Zach Gage, the two
 openFrameworks/iPhone developers, and they have open source audio code that
 should be pretty easy to plug into Pd.  SuperCollider has been ported to the
 iPhone too, but I haven't been able to find that code.


as I understood, openframeworks is using rtAudio, which is certainly a good
choice, as it is designed for real-time. But why portaudio (the current
audio implementation in pd if I'm right) would not work on an iPhone ?
loic
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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


On Nov 8, 2009, at 3:59 AM, loic kessous wrote:



The only real missing piece is the audio I/O, but that is not too  
hard to do.  Ideally, the rjdj crew would release their audio I/O  
code to be included in Pd-vanilla and we should share the work of  
maintenance and improvements.  But that's not the only way to get it  
done.  I'm here at Mobile Art  Code talking with Memo Akten and  
Zach Gage, the two openFrameworks/iPhone developers, and they have  
open source audio code that should be pretty easy to plug into Pd.   
SuperCollider has been ported to the iPhone too, but I haven't been  
able to find that code.



as I understood, openframeworks is using rtAudio, which is certainly  
a good choice, as it is designed for real-time. But why portaudio  
(the current audio implementation in pd if I'm right) would not work  
on an iPhone ?

loic


The iPhone uses the AudioQueue API for sound I/O, which portaudio does  
not support.


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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-04 Thread Georg Holzmann

Hallo!

João Pais schrieb:
how about control? I was hoping of in the future perform in the middle 
of the room with a htc magic (or something) controlling my patch on the 
laptop in the stage. is osc already available in all these platforms?


Yeah, there is such an application (with osc) on the android phone ...

LG
Georg




Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the works.  
Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you don't need to 
heed Apple's lame restrictions.


.hc

On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote:


SO this is certainly interesting

When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what 
does that mean? THe pd gui works?


I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go 
with the android phone.


On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



THere are a number of developments in this regard:

- Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android 
and Apple iPhoneOS.  Maemo should be pretty easy too.  No audio yet, 
but that's in the works.


- Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that 
means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS.  
You can install Debian in parallel with Android.


- you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like 
Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc.


rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work 
well there.  Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to 
the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since 
the platform is a lot more open.


.hc

On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote:


same problem here, not sure what to get.
another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900,
which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo
(nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo -
it was possible to get pd-anywhere running.
But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything.
for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not
run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone.
marius.

2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:

to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the
moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on 
that front

soon,


I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

Chris.

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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-04 Thread Marco Milanesi
 iphone
 Android
 Palm
 Windows Mobile

N900 :)

ciao,
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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-04 Thread Nicholas Mariette

Hi Hans,

I'm curious about the iPhone port:

What's the main broad goal of this effort? (I mean other than the  
obvious of having Pd working on iPhone, which will be great!).
Is the plan to have Pd for iPhone as an open-source app for the  
community? - i.e. for jailbroken itouch things?


Will the audio i/o code be open source (is that even possible with  
Apple), and if so, which license?

Or is this a private experiment?

Can you elaborate, or did I miss something on the list?

cheers
Nick



On Nov 4, 2009, at 4:46 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



Yes of course.  RIght now you can do everything in a Pd patch in  
both Android and iPhoneOS except input/output audio or MIDI.  So  
netsend/netreceive work, for example.  You could build a streaming  
externals to stream audio in/out.


We'll get the audio stuff ironed out soon, there is some code in the  
works.


.hc

On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:53 PM, João Pais wrote:

how about control? I was hoping of in the future perform in the  
middle of the room with a htc magic (or something) controlling my  
patch on the laptop in the stage. is osc already available in all  
these platforms?



Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the  
works.  Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you  
don't need to heed Apple's lame restrictions.


.hc

On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote:


SO this is certainly interesting

When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what  
does that mean? THe pd gui works?


I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go  
with the android phone.


On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



THere are a number of developments in this regard:

- Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for  
Android and Apple iPhoneOS.  Maemo should be pretty easy too.   
No audio yet, but that's in the works.


- Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while,  
that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your  
own OS.  You can install Debian in parallel with Android.


- you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like  
Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc.


rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work  
well there.  Android will take a fair amount of work to get up  
to the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier  
since the platform is a lot more open.


.hc

On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote:


same problem here, not sure what to get.
another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia  
n900,
which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs  
maemo
(nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of  
maemo -

it was possible to get pd-anywhere running.
But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything.
for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both  
do not
run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the  
iphone.

marius.

2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:
to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it  
at the
moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion  
on that front

soon,


I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

Chris.

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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-03 Thread Si Mills

SO this is certainly interesting

When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what does  
that mean? THe pd gui works?


I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go with  
the android phone.


On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



THere are a number of developments in this regard:

- Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android  
and Apple iPhoneOS.  Maemo should be pretty easy too.  No audio yet,  
but that's in the works.


- Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that  
means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS.   
You can install Debian in parallel with Android.


- you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like  
Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc.


rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work  
well there.  Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to  
the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since  
the platform is a lot more open.


.hc

On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote:


same problem here, not sure what to get.
another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900,
which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo
(nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo -
it was possible to get pd-anywhere running.
But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything.
for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not
run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the  
iphone.

marius.

2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:
to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at  
the
moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on  
that front

soon,


I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

Chris.

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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the works.   
Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you don't need to  
heed Apple's lame restrictions.


.hc

On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote:


SO this is certainly interesting

When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what  
does that mean? THe pd gui works?


I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go  
with the android phone.


On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



THere are a number of developments in this regard:

- Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android  
and Apple iPhoneOS.  Maemo should be pretty easy too.  No audio  
yet, but that's in the works.


- Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while,  
that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own  
OS.  You can install Debian in parallel with Android.


- you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like  
Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc.


rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work  
well there.  Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to  
the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since  
the platform is a lot more open.


.hc

On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote:


same problem here, not sure what to get.
another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900,
which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs  
maemo

(nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo -
it was possible to get pd-anywhere running.
But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything.
for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do  
not
run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the  
iphone.

marius.

2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:
to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at  
the
moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on  
that front

soon,


I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

Chris.

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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-11-03 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


Yes of course.  RIght now you can do everything in a Pd patch in both  
Android and iPhoneOS except input/output audio or MIDI.  So netsend/ 
netreceive work, for example.  You could build a streaming externals  
to stream audio in/out.


We'll get the audio stuff ironed out soon, there is some code in the  
works.


.hc

On Nov 3, 2009, at 8:53 PM, João Pais wrote:

how about control? I was hoping of in the future perform in the  
middle of the room with a htc magic (or something) controlling my  
patch on the laptop in the stage. is osc already available in all  
these platforms?



Everything works but audio input and output, but that's in the  
works.  Externals work too, if you use a jailbroken device, you  
don't need to heed Apple's lame restrictions.


.hc

On Nov 3, 2009, at 4:39 AM, Si Mills wrote:


SO this is certainly interesting

When you say Pd builds for Android and iphone, but no audio, what  
does that mean? THe pd gui works?


I have a feeling, in the end, i might play devils advocate and go  
with the android phone.


On 29 Oct 2009, at 18:17, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:



THere are a number of developments in this regard:

- Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android  
and Apple iPhoneOS.  Maemo should be pretty easy too.  No audio  
yet, but that's in the works.


- Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while,  
that means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own  
OS.  You can install Debian in parallel with Android.


- you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like  
Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc.


rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work  
well there.  Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to  
the same level, but in the long run will probably be easier since  
the platform is a lot more open.


.hc

On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote:


same problem here, not sure what to get.
another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900,
which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs  
maemo
(nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of  
maemo -

it was possible to get pd-anywhere running.
But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything.
for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both  
do not
run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the  
iphone.

marius.

2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:
to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it  
at the
moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on  
that front

soon,


I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

Chris.

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[PD] smartphone advice

2009-10-29 Thread Si Mills
I know the subject of this post sounds like it would be more apt for  
Which? Mobile or something, but please bear with me.the reason for  
me posting here will become clear :) i will be getting a new  
smartphone soon, now I have a few choices:


iphone
Android
Palm
Windows Mobile

I would like to know which would best for making sounds with, and in  
the future, running Pd on ultimately. I know iPhone shared the glut of  
music apps at present, and Android is seemingly devoid of audio apps.  
I guess the Palm isn't really relevant.


For some reason i am turned off the the idea of an iphone - that isn't  
an anti-apple thing - all the computers i use are apple. I am  
attracted to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for  
it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion  
on that front soon, and in the future due to the nature of the  
platform, is best stead for things to come. What a crazy scenario!


So my question is; what is the best, or WILL be the best smartphone  
for running audio apps?


cheers





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[PD] smartphone advice

2009-10-29 Thread Si Mills
I know the subject of this post sounds like it would be more apt for  
'Which? Mobile' or something, but please bear with me.the reason  
for me posting here will become clear :) i will be getting a new  
smartphone soon, now I have a few choices:


iphone
Android
Palm
Windows Mobile

I would like to know which would best for making sounds with, and in  
the future, running Pd on ultimately. I know iPhone owns the glut of  
music apps at present, and Android is seemingly devoid of audio apps.  
I guess the Palm isn't really relevant.


For some reason i am turned off the the idea of an iphone - that isn't  
an anti-apple thing - all the computers i use are apple. I am  
attracted to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for  
it at the moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion  
on that front soon, and in the future due to the nature of the  
platform, is best stead for things to come. What a crazy scenario!


So my question is; what is the best, or WILL be the best smartphone  
for running audio apps? And ultimately your recommendation to me?


cheers

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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-10-29 Thread Chris McCormick
On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:
 to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the 
 moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front 
 soon,

I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-10-29 Thread marius schebella
same problem here, not sure what to get.
another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900,
which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo
(nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo -
it was possible to get pd-anywhere running.
But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything.
for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not
run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone.
marius.

2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx:
 On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:
 to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the
 moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on that front
 soon,

 I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

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Re: [PD] smartphone advice

2009-10-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner


THere are a number of developments in this regard:

- Pd (pd-gui-rewrite 0.43 branch) now builds directly for Android and  
Apple iPhoneOS.  Maemo should be pretty easy too.  No audio yet, but  
that's in the works.


- Pd has been available in the Debian-armel branch for a while, that  
means lots of devices if you are willing to install your own OS.  You  
can install Debian in parallel with Android.


- you can build PDa to run on a wide range of free distros, like  
Maemo, Familiar, Angstrom, OpenMoko, reware for ipods, Palms, etc.


rjdj runs well on iPhoneOS, so that means Pd can be made to work well  
there.  Android will take a fair amount of work to get up to the same  
level, but in the long run will probably be easier since the platform  
is a lot more open.


.hc

On Oct 29, 2009, at 1:34 PM, marius schebella wrote:


same problem here, not sure what to get.
another device that might be worth checking out is the nokia n900,
which is/was scheduled for release some time this year. it runs maemo
(nokia's linux version) and - at least on former versions of maemo -
it was possible to get pd-anywhere running.
But I have not seen/tested it, so I cannot promise anything.
for now: I am not sure about the palm, the android g1, g2 both do not
run pd (yet...) and I think windows mobile neither, leaves the iphone.
marius.

2009/10/29 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx:

On Thu, Oct 29, 2009 at 03:33:24PM +, Si Mills wrote:

to Android as a platform, even though there is bog all for it at the
moment, but I feel there is going to be a massive explosion on  
that front

soon,


I also feel that, and I can see some people lighting the TNT.

Chris.

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