[PD] Miller Puckette featured on the New Blankets Netcasts Sunday/Monday February 12/13

[Joe Deken]

You can catch Miller Puckette in conversation about recent activities
and performances by listening to *two* New Blankets netcasts -- for
Sunday February 12 and Monday February 13.  You'll find the audio
for listening on each of those days at: http://newblankets.org

(If you wish to make a contribution to "Pd worldwide welcome" activities
-- including
Pd Artists-in-Transit --  you may also pledge a donation on either of
those days and a matching grant of $100 for each day will potentially
double your contribution. )

 Or just listen those days and enjoy some conversation with Miller, away
from the keyboard ...




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Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but not in Purr Data

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

ok, made some progress, I did screw up in the flag, but now I'm using it
right, I just can't seem to get "DejaVu Sans Mono" called, it's loading
courier instead [image: Imagem inline 1]

2017-02-11 1:07 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

> so, installed "deja vu sans mono" in my mac... tried using the flag -font-face
> 
>
> nothing happened, just got an error that proved I may not have used the
> flag right, what should I do?
>
>
>
>
> 2017-02-10 20:42 GMT-02:00 Lucas Cordiviola :
>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> *>I just hoped we could make vanilla laod the same fonts in all platforms
>> and that patches would all look the same as in Purr Data, what's preventing
>> it from happening?*
>>
>>
>> To put it fast and dirty but not incorrect:
>>
>> Purr Data uses web-browser technology to do the GUI. Basically a Chrome
>> browser. That’s why you see that fonts are rendered the same across Oss.
>>
>> Check NW.js:
>> https://nwjs.io/
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, it sounds that you are saying that if a vanilla patch
>> does not look as how you see it in your Mac is “bad”.
>>
>> Vanilla is not shipping “deja vu sans mono”,
>> Can you give screen-shots with this font installed on your Mac?
>> May be your patches render the same as Linux & Windows.
>>
>> And remember the startup flags:
>>
>> -font-size  -- specify default font size in points
>> -font-face   -- specify default font
>> -font-weight -- specify default font weight (normal or bold)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but not in Purr Data

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

so, installed "deja vu sans mono" in my mac... tried using the flag -font-face


nothing happened, just got an error that proved I may not have used the
flag right, what should I do?




2017-02-10 20:42 GMT-02:00 Lucas Cordiviola :

> Hi Alex,
>
> *>I just hoped we could make vanilla laod the same fonts in all platforms
> and that patches would all look the same as in Purr Data, what's preventing
> it from happening?*
>
>
> To put it fast and dirty but not incorrect:
>
> Purr Data uses web-browser technology to do the GUI. Basically a Chrome
> browser. That’s why you see that fonts are rendered the same across Oss.
>
> Check NW.js:
> https://nwjs.io/
>
>
> On the other hand, it sounds that you are saying that if a vanilla patch
> does not look as how you see it in your Mac is “bad”.
>
> Vanilla is not shipping “deja vu sans mono”,
> Can you give screen-shots with this font installed on your Mac?
> May be your patches render the same as Linux & Windows.
>
> And remember the startup flags:
>
> -font-size  -- specify default font size in points
> -font-face   -- specify default font
> -font-weight -- specify default font weight (normal or bold)
>
>
>
>
>
> Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Cameron MacNair]

Okay, I will get back to you as soon as I can with that. Thank you!

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:22 PM, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:

> > There isn't an ellipsis, the only contents of the error is what I
> copied and pasted.
>
>
>
> Ok.  If you can send me a patch that triggers the bug I'll investigate
> further.
>
> -Jonathan
>
> On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes 
> wrote:
>
> After "undefined" there should be an ellipsis: "(...)"  If it's there,
> click it and
> copy/paste the rest of the error that pops up.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>


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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> There isn't an ellipsis, the only contents of the error is what I copied and 
> pasted.


Ok.  If you can send me a patch that triggers the bug I'll investigate further.

-Jonathan

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:

After "undefined" there should be an ellipsis: "(...)"  If it's there, click it 
and 
copy/paste the rest of the error that pops up.
-Jonathan
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Cameron MacNair]

There isn't an ellipsis, the only contents of the error is what I copied
and pasted.

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 6:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:

> After "undefined" there should be an ellipsis: "(...)"  If it's there,
> click it and
> copy/paste the rest of the error that pops up.
>
> -Jonathan
>
>
>


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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

After "undefined" there should be an ellipsis: "(...)"  If it's there, click it 
and 
copy/paste the rest of the error that pops up.
-Jonathan

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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Cameron MacNair]

Here's the error I'm getting

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Purr Data\bin\pdgui.js:1720 Uncaught TypeError:
Cannot read property 'window' of undefined"

-C

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:54 PM, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:

> > This looks great! However we're running into a problem over here on our
> Windows machines. When loading a fairly large patch, all GUI objects are
> not updating (a toggle won't show state change, but it shows its value
> change in the console when connected to a [print]). I'm unable to identify
> a way to consistently reproduce this issue.
>
>
>
> > Is this a known issue? Thanks in advance...
>
> That isn't a known issue, but I can probably guess the class of issues
> it comes from.
>
> Right-click on the Pd Window and choose "Inspect Background Page"
> and then click "Console."  It may have an error there.  If so copy/paste
> it for me.
>
> If not, go the the relevant patch window, choose "Help->Show Devtools",
> and
> click "Console" in the window that pops up.
>
> There should be an error in one of those two debugging consoles.
>
> -Jonathan
>
> > -Cameron
>
>


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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> On 10/02/17 06:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:


>> Purr Data is now released.

> Wow, congratulations Jonathan and everyone involved in getting to 
release. It's clear a lot of hard work has gone into this over the past 
few years. Quite an accomplishment. Nice one!

Thanks, Chris!
Best,Jonathan

> Cheers,

> Chris.

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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> This looks great! However we're running into a problem over here on our 
> Windows machines. When loading a fairly large patch, all GUI objects are not 
> updating (a toggle won't show state change, but it shows its value change in 
> the console when connected to a [print]). I'm unable to identify a way to 
> consistently reproduce this issue.


> Is this a known issue? Thanks in advance... 
That isn't a known issue, but I can probably guess the class of issues 
it comes from.
Right-click on the Pd Window and choose "Inspect Background Page" 
and then click "Console."  It may have an error there.  If so copy/paste it for 
me.
If not, go the the relevant patch window, choose "Help->Show Devtools", and 
click "Console" in the window that pops up.
There should be an error in one of those two debugging consoles.

-Jonathan

> -Cameron
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Chris McCormick]

On 10/02/17 06:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:

Purr Data is now released.


Wow, congratulations Jonathan and everyone involved in getting to 
release. It's clear a lot of hard work has gone into this over the past 
few years. Quite an accomplishment. Nice one!


Cheers,

Chris.

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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Cameron MacNair]

This looks great! However we're running into a problem over here on our
Windows machines. When loading a fairly large patch, all GUI objects are
not updating (a toggle won't show state change, but it shows its value
change in the console when connected to a [print]). I'm unable to identify
a way to consistently reproduce this issue.

Is this a known issue? Thanks in advance...

-Cameron

On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 5:17 PM, Fede Camara Halac 
wrote:

> I would be interested in some up-to-date compiling instructions for Gem on
> mac. Very much looking forward for this!!
>
> fedecamarahalac.com
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Matt Barber  wrote:
> >
> > when I get some time I'll send you some instructions and patches
> directly.
>
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Fede Camara Halac]

I would be interested in some up-to-date compiling instructions for Gem on mac. 
Very much looking forward for this!!

fedecamarahalac.com




> On Feb 10, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Matt Barber  wrote:
> 
> when I get some time I'll send you some instructions and patches directly.

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Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but not in Purr Data

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2017-02-10 20:42 GMT-02:00 Lucas Cordiviola :

> Hi Alex,
>
> *>I just hoped we could make vanilla laod the same fonts in all platforms
> and that patches would all look the same as in Purr Data, what's preventing
> it from happening?*
>
>
> To put it fast and dirty but not incorrect:
>
> Purr Data uses web-browser technology to do the GUI. Basically a Chrome
> browser. That’s why you see that fonts are rendered the same across Oss.
>


guess I wasn't very clear, I wasn't asking something like "why is purr data
different and how does it work", I'm really just saying that they "got it
right"


> Then I kept testing, did check Pd-Extended, which I think didn't have any
> similar issues
>

And like I said here, it seems that Pd Extended also did get it right in
providing the same visual consistency (I can recheck it). Now, Extended
didn't use web technology, so it's not like that is the only way to get it,
I don't think so.

But I know that I actually know nothing, so that's why I ask in clear
laymen's terms what's the deal here.

So, before anything, it's just a request and wish that this issue is
handled somehow.

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Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but not in Purr Data

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Totally,

I got your point, that’s why  I’m asking for those screen-shoots.

As Jonathan said, Purr Data uses a CSS trick which allows browsers to load 
Fonts overriding the OS. (the fonts are not installed on the system). This is 
relatively new, before that there was a limited amount of safe web fonts.

Vanilla atm is not installing fonts on the OS afaik. And traditionally, fonts 
that are not installed on the Os are not available to the Apps.

Don’t get me wrong, we are on the same side & I`m telling a couple of things 
that I know.


--
On Windows there’s another monospace font that is shippped since Vista.

Try “Consolas”,  
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2017 11:30 PM
To: Lucas Cordiviola
Cc: pd-list@lists.iem.at
Subject: Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but 
not in Purr Data

2017-02-10 20:42 GMT-02:00 Lucas Cordiviola 
>:

it sounds that you are saying that if a vanilla patch does not look as how you 
see it in your Mac is “bad”.

yes, or kinda, as I wouldn't  say it like that, I can also say that if a 
vanilla patch doesn't look as how you see it in linux or windows, it is bad... 
it is a two way street here, and my concern is that things work out of the box 
for cross platforms.

Or, like I said it myself


I just hoped we could make vanilla laod the same fonts in all platforms and 
that patches would all look the same as in Purr Data, what's preventing it from 
happening?


And by "what's preventing it from happening?" I'm basically asking: What is it 
that we should do to make it happen that we are not doing right now, and why 
are we not doing it?

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[PD] [PD-announce] Call for Papers: Algorithmic Electronic Dance Music

[Nikolai Collinsky via Pd-announce]

[apologies for cross posting]

CFP: Algorithmic Electronic Dance Music

Special edition of Dancecult: Journal of Electronic Dance Music Culture

Guest Editors: Shelly Knotts and Nick Collins

http://dj.dancecult.net/

Algorithms are at the heart of the virtual studio software applications 
underwriting so much contemporary dance music, but are normally the prior 
preserve of music engineering teams rather than musicians. This special issue, 
however, engages with algorithms as musical material, and especially with music 
which is inherently founded on computer programming technique. A recent 
manifestation of this is the algorave, an explicit site of live algorithmic 
electronic dance music (EDM), produced through such means as on stage computer 
programming (algorave.com). Creators of EDM have vast amounts of software at 
their disposal, including specific musical programming languages; modern 
digital audio workstations now often include the capacity to utilise a 
programming language, such as Python and Max/MSP embedded within Ableton Live, 
or Logic’s MIDI Scripter.  

The history of algorithmic techniques within mainstream and experimental fringe 
dance music predates the coining of the term algorave (Collins and McLean 
2014). Powerful computer music coding environments have been co-opted for use 
in club contexts, by such well known figures as Autechre (Max/MSP), BT (Csound, 
Composer’s Desktop Project), Cylob, Aphex Twin (SuperCollider), and Holly 
Herndon (Chuck), amongst many others. Some artists have written their own 
software from scratch, such as the generative gabba-techno artists slub, or 
commissioned others to supply it, as with Coldcut and the VJamm and Coldcutter 
programs. 

Research in this area extends from the introduction of new algorithmic 
techniques for the production of dance music, to the computational analysis of 
existing EDM, via critical appraisal of algorithms in the wild. Live realtime 
systems, as well as offline studio software, have been developed. An 
increasingly algorithmically literate culture will see increasingly 
algorithmically literate music, and the rise of music-oriented computer 
programming has great implications for future directions within EDM.

(2014) Nick Collins and Alex McLean “Algorave: live performance of algorithmic 
electronic dance music”. Proceedings of NIME 2014, London

 // SUGGESTED THEMES //
Potential themes for articles include (but are not limited to):

-   Analysis of the work of algorithmic EDM artists
-   Computational analysis procedures for EDM
-   Surveying algorithmic techniques in EDM production
-   Algorithmic composition projects based on EDM styles
-   Live coding and EDM
-   Web browser based dance music systems (e.g., via Flash, HTML5, Web 
Audio API et al.)
-   Music Information Retrieval (MIR) systems and EDM content creation 
-   The programming of interactive systems for EDM creation
-   Music pedagogy through coding of EDM (e.g., Sonic Pi, EarSketch et al.)
-   Gender, ethnicity and social trends at the crossover of computer music 
and club culture
-   Collaborating with and through algorithms; EDM groups of musical 
programmers
-   Algorithmic audiovisuals for club performance
-   Performance and audience reception of Algorithmic EDM


// SUBMISSIONS //

Feature Articles:
Feature Articles will be peer-reviewed and are 6000–9000 words in length 
(including endnotes, captions and bibliography). For policies, see:
https://dj.dancecult.net/index.php/dancecult/about/editorialPolicies#sectionPolicies
 

“From the Floor” Articles:
This special edition will also include articles in From the Floor format 
(750–2500 words), which are very suitable for an artist to critically evaluate 
their own practice, or an academic to discuss new experiments.  This format 
will be of particular interest to scholars and practitioners who wish to share 
some of the insights of their work, but are unable to devote the time necessary 
for a feature-length article. See guidelines at the Section Policies link above.

Articles must adhere to all style and formatting rules stipulated in the 
Dancecult Style Guide (DSG). Download it here: 
https://dj.dancecult.net/public/journals/24/dancecult_styleguide.pdf

Multimedia Submissions:
Dancecult encourages authors to complement their written work with audio and 
visual material. See the DSG for style and formatting requirements.


// DATES AND DEADLINES //

This special edition is proposed for publication in Dancecult on 1 November 
2018.
If interested, send a 250-word abstract (along with a one hundred word maximum 
author biography) to Shelly Knotts (knotts.she...@gmail.com) by 23rd March 2017.

If your abstract is accepted, the deadline for submission of a full article 
draft to the guest editors for their comments is 1 October 2017. Beyond that, 
the deadline for online submission to Dancecult (for blind peer-review) is 1 
February 2018.

Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but not in Purr Data

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

2017-02-10 20:42 GMT-02:00 Lucas Cordiviola :

> it sounds that you are saying that if a vanilla patch does not look as how
> you see it in your Mac is “bad”.
>

yes, or kinda, as I wouldn't  say it like that, I can also say that if a
vanilla patch doesn't look as how you see it in linux or windows, it is
bad... it is a two way street here, and my concern is that things work out
of the box for cross platforms.

Or, like I said it myself


*I just hoped we could make vanilla laod the same fonts in all platforms
> and that patches would all look the same as in Purr Data, what's preventing
> it from happening?*
>
>

And by "*what's preventing it from happening?*" I'm basically asking: What
is it that we should do to make it happen that we are not doing right now,
and why are we not doing it?

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Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but not in Purr Data

[Lucas Cordiviola]

Hi Alex,


>I just hoped we could make vanilla laod the same fonts in all platforms and 
>that patches would all look the same as in Purr Data, what's preventing it 
>from happening?

To put it fast and dirty but not incorrect:

Purr Data uses web-browser technology to do the GUI. Basically a Chrome 
browser. That’s why you see that fonts are rendered the same across Oss.

Check NW.js:
https://nwjs.io/


On the other hand, it sounds that you are saying that if a vanilla patch does 
not look as how you see it in your Mac is “bad”.

Vanilla is not shipping “deja vu sans mono”,
Can you give screen-shots with this font installed on your Mac?
May be your patches render the same as Linux & Windows.

And remember the startup flags:

-font-size  -- specify default font size in points
-font-face   -- specify default font
-font-weight -- specify default font weight (normal or bold)






Mensaje telepatico asistido por maquinas.



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Re: [PD] cross platforms issues with displaying fonts in vanilla but not in Purr Data

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> What intrigues me is that Purr Data (or Pd-l2ork) does load "Deja Vu Sans 
> Mono" for all platforms and even so the patch does not look "bad" like that, 
> as an example, 
> I'm attaching a print screen from pd-l2ork in Linux (4-l2ork.png), to show 
> that it doesn't look like the linux part of the image from 1-MACxLINUX.png


> So, I'm a little confused as why using this "deja vu" font does promote such 
> a visual difference in vanilla (as shown in linux and windows) but not in 
> Pd-l2ork or 
> Purr Data (and maybe even extended). I consider it a "bug", an important 
> issue on how patches behave in cross platforms, even if it is just a visual 
> (font display) issue.
Purr Data includes a particular version of "Deja Vu Sans Mono" with it.  It 
loads it through the @font-face CSS interface, so you get 
that font regardless of whether you've installed Purr Data or not.
-Jonathan


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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> I did get Gem to compile without quicktime support with few difficulties. 
> Most of the effort was actually in 
> getting gavl/gmerlin to compile, as there were not ready-made homebrew 
> packages.


> Jonathan, when I get some time I'll send you some instructions and patches 
> directly.
Great!  Thanks, Matt.
-Jonathan


On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list 
 wrote:



2017-02-10 2:01 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes :

 Unfortunately not in OSX atm

> so, if not now, any estimate when? and what is the problem for now? just 
> curious...
It's a large complex library that takes a long time to compile, and there 
wasn't 
pre-existing infrastructure in the pd-extended build scripts to build it on OSX 
as 
a 64-bit target.
I believe Matt Barber made some progress getting a recent version to compile.
-Jonathan
   
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> I have a Mac Mini running 10.6.8 I would be happy to try it out. 



Great!
I'm doing the GUI part of so-called "10.8" build manually at the moment.So let 
me get that set up in the install scripts correctly to make it easier 
to test this.
-Jonathan


> Sent from my iPony
On 10 Feb 2017, at 16.31, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:


> Hi guys, what is the earliest version of OS X that is still supported for 
> Purrdata?> Will 10.6 Snow Leopard work?


The GUI will work on 10.6 (at least that is what it says on the website).  But 
I'm 
not sure if the build infrastructure supports a version that old or not.
I'm happy to try to get it working on a version that old.  But it's difficult 
because 
I don't have that software to test it on.
-Jonathan
   


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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> i think Purr Data is just Pd-l2ork 2.0 (and cross platform)


That's exactly right.
Versioning and Naming:We added a version number specifically related to 
pd-l2ork.
Purr Data is versioned "2.0", and the original Pd-l2ork is "1.0".
We left the original versioning API with a major version of "0", 
because changing that apparently breaks some externals.
Building:
It's really difficult to change the naming (or anything, for that 
matter) in a complex build system.
If you are on Ubuntu and want to install Purr Data alongside 
the 1.0 pd-l2ork version, you can use Albert Graef's PPA:
https://launchpad.net/~dr-graef/+archive/ubuntu/pd-l2ork.xenial
I'm not (yet) using his build script for the Ubuntu CI builds.  Sorry, 
that's an oversight on my part.

-Jonathan

2017-02-10 12:01 GMT-02:00 Max :

On 2017년 02월 09일 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:

Get binaries here:
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilk es/purr-data-binaries/tree/ master


How are pd-l2ork and Purr Data distiguished or are they one?

on the site you link to, the downloads in the purr-data-binaries folder are 
named pd-l2ork-2.0...

when I download the pd-l2ork-2.0-ubuntu_16.04-x86_ 64.deb package I can't 
install that because the package installer says:
Error: A later version is already installed.

In the pacage description I read no mention of Purr Data, instead it is all 
about Pd-L2Ork..

I have no mention of Purr-Data in my program list. When launching Pd-L2Ork 
though, I get a window with the name purr-data.

In the help menu of the program purr-data, I read "About Pd-l2ork"

The version there shows Pd-l2ork version 20161221

I'm confused about all the different names and different variants and 
capitalizations.

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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Matt Barber]

I did get Gem to compile without quicktime support with few difficulties.
Most of the effort was actually in getting gavl/gmerlin to compile, as
there were not ready-made homebrew packages.

Jonathan, when I get some time I'll send you some instructions and patches
directly.



On Fri, Feb 10, 2017 at 12:00 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list <
pd-list@lists.iem.at> wrote:

>
>
> 2017-02-10 2:01 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes :
>
>  Unfortunately not in OSX atm
>
>
> > so, if not now, any estimate when? and what is the problem for now? just
> curious...
>
> It's a large complex library that takes a long time to compile, and there
> wasn't
> pre-existing infrastructure in the pd-extended build scripts to build it
> on OSX as
> a 64-bit target.
>
> I believe Matt Barber made some progress getting a recent version to
> compile.
>
> -Jonathan
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Esa Ruoho]

Vb have you tried the old .plist trick, ie going inside the app Package itself 
and modifying the plist so that the app can run on previous OSX versions?

Sent from my iPony

> On 10 Feb 2017, at 16.42, volker böhm  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10.02.2017, at 15:28, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:
> 
>>> hi - 
>> 
>> 
>>> just donwloaded pd-l2ork-2.0-osx-10.8-x86_64.dmg to run it on osx 10.8, but 
>>> it 
>>> won't install, saying it needs at least 10.9
>>> an oversight?
>> 
>> It could be.
>> 
>> Do you get the error immediately after clicking the installer?
>> 
>> -Jonathan
> 
> to be precise, i can open the disk image, and copy the pd-l2ork.app, but i 
> can't run it, getting the error "you can't use this version of the 
> application Pd-l2ork.app with this version of os x" immediately. 
> app-icon is also struck through.
> as far as i can see, there is no installer.
> 
> thanks,
> vb
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Esa Ruoho]

I have a Mac Mini running 10.6.8 I would be happy to try it out. 

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> On 10 Feb 2017, at 16.31, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:
> 
> > Hi guys, what is the earliest version of OS X that is still supported for 
> > Purrdata?
> > Will 10.6 Snow Leopard work?
> 
> 
> 
> The GUI will work on 10.6 (at least that is what it says on the website).  
> But I'm 
> not sure if the build infrastructure supports a version that old or not.
> 
> I'm happy to try to get it working on a version that old.  But it's difficult 
> because 
> I don't have that software to test it on.
> 
> -Jonathan
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[volker böhm]

On 10.02.2017, at 15:28, Jonathan Wilkes  wrote:

> > hi - 
> 
> 
> > just donwloaded pd-l2ork-2.0-osx-10.8-x86_64.dmg to run it on osx 10.8, but 
> > it 
> > won't install, saying it needs at least 10.9
> > an oversight?
> 
> It could be.
> 
> Do you get the error immediately after clicking the installer?
> 
> -Jonathan

to be precise, i can open the disk image, and copy the pd-l2ork.app, but i 
can't run it, getting the error "you can't use this version of the application 
Pd-l2ork.app with this version of os x" immediately. 
app-icon is also struck through.
as far as i can see, there is no installer.

thanks,
vb
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

they'll eventually merge into one, and probably even go through a name
change altogether?

2017-02-10 12:40 GMT-02:00 Alexandre Torres Porres :

> i think Purr Data is just Pd-l2ork 2.0 (and cross platform)
>
> 2017-02-10 12:01 GMT-02:00 Max :
>
>> On 2017년 02월 09일 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
>>
>>> Get binaries here:
>>> https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master
>>>
>>
>> How are pd-l2ork and Purr Data distiguished or are they one?
>>
>> on the site you link to, the downloads in the purr-data-binaries folder
>> are named pd-l2ork-2.0...
>>
>> when I download the pd-l2ork-2.0-ubuntu_16.04-x86_64.deb package I can't
>> install that because the package installer says:
>> Error: A later version is already installed.
>>
>> In the pacage description I read no mention of Purr Data, instead it is
>> all about Pd-L2Ork..
>>
>> I have no mention of Purr-Data in my program list. When launching
>> Pd-L2Ork though, I get a window with the name purr-data.
>>
>> In the help menu of the program purr-data, I read "About Pd-l2ork"
>>
>> The version there shows Pd-l2ork version 20161221
>>
>> I'm confused about all the different names and different variants and
>> capitalizations.
>>
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Alexandre Torres Porres]

i think Purr Data is just Pd-l2ork 2.0 (and cross platform)

2017-02-10 12:01 GMT-02:00 Max :

> On 2017년 02월 09일 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
>
>> Get binaries here:
>> https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master
>>
>
> How are pd-l2ork and Purr Data distiguished or are they one?
>
> on the site you link to, the downloads in the purr-data-binaries folder
> are named pd-l2ork-2.0...
>
> when I download the pd-l2ork-2.0-ubuntu_16.04-x86_64.deb package I can't
> install that because the package installer says:
> Error: A later version is already installed.
>
> In the pacage description I read no mention of Purr Data, instead it is
> all about Pd-L2Ork..
>
> I have no mention of Purr-Data in my program list. When launching Pd-L2Ork
> though, I get a window with the name purr-data.
>
> In the help menu of the program purr-data, I read "About Pd-l2ork"
>
> The version there shows Pd-l2ork version 20161221
>
> I'm confused about all the different names and different variants and
> capitalizations.
>
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> Hi guys, what is the earliest version of OS X that is still supported for 
> Purrdata?> Will 10.6 Snow Leopard work?


The GUI will work on 10.6 (at least that is what it says on the website).  But 
I'm 
not sure if the build infrastructure supports a version that old or not.
I'm happy to try to get it working on a version that old.  But it's difficult 
because 
I don't have that software to test it on.
-Jonathan
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list]

> hi - 


> just donwloaded pd-l2ork-2.0-osx-10.8-x86_64.dmg to run it on osx 10.8, but 
> it 
> won't install, saying it needs at least 10.9> an oversight?

It could be.
Do you get the error immediately after clicking the installer?
-Jonathan
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Max]

On 2017년 02월 09일 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:

Get binaries here:
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master


How are pd-l2ork and Purr Data distiguished or are they one?

on the site you link to, the downloads in the purr-data-binaries folder 
are named pd-l2ork-2.0...


when I download the pd-l2ork-2.0-ubuntu_16.04-x86_64.deb package I can't 
install that because the package installer says:

Error: A later version is already installed.

In the pacage description I read no mention of Purr Data, instead it is 
all about Pd-L2Ork..


I have no mention of Purr-Data in my program list. When launching 
Pd-L2Ork though, I get a window with the name purr-data.


In the help menu of the program purr-data, I read "About Pd-l2ork"

The version there shows Pd-l2ork version 20161221

I'm confused about all the different names and different variants and 
capitalizations.


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Re: [PD] Pd GUI poor performance Win10 Nvida GTX980M

[martin brinkmann]

On 10/02/17 11:53, Matthias Kronlachner wrote:

> Starting with an empty patch placing and dragging objects is very laggy.

> Does somebody have the same problem or a fix for this?

i had similar problems with various versions of pd on various
linux-versions, with the free radeon driver. it was better using the
non-free amd-drivers, and "solved" by using the free drivers for the
internal intel-graphics (g45). i think it has something to do with some 2d
graphics-operations needed by tcl/tk not beeing accelerated.

maybe using other (newer or older) graphicsdrivers might help.

bis denn!
martin

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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Pierre-Olivier Boulant]

See attached patch


On 10/02/2017 12:31, Pierre-Olivier Boulant wrote:


Hi,

Terrific work.

I spotted a small thing last night trying it on an old patch. I'll try 
and make a streamlined version of the problem in the patch.


I have a subpatch with GOP. The parent patch has a selector which 
moves the coordinates of the GOP in the sub-patch. if I'm in 
Performance mode and I change the view in the GOP PurrData goes in 
edit mode.


the message to change the coordinates is:
[ ; pd-sidepanel donecanvasdialog 1 1 1 0 -1 1 1 196 924 $1 10, dirty 0 (

Hope this helps
Pierre-Olivier


On 09/02/2017 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:

Hi list,

Purr Data is now released.

Purr Data inherits the goodness of Pd-l2ork and runs on Gnu/Linux, 
Windows, and OSX. Infinite undo, enhanced editing and 2d drawing, and 
most of the the externals from Pd-extended (plus more from Pd-l2ork).


New since rc5:
* fixed display bug with [vu] on graph-on-parent canvas
* fix documentation for timer-help.pd
* fix "open" method for [ggee/image]
* default to the  user's home directory on OSX app bundle
* open the help browser file browser in the doc folder
* add a canvas "Print" menu item (under "File" menu)
* allow option to save the zoom level with the canvas
* fix a data structure crasher

Get binaries here:
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master

-Jonathan


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#N canvas 0 0 433 251 10;
#N canvas 669 24 638 548 subPatch 0;
#X obj 213 91 int;
#X obj 213 24 r sidepanel;
#X msg 213 207 \; pd-subPatch donecanvasdialog 1 1 1 0 -1 1 1 100 60
100 \$1 \, dirty 0;
#X obj 213 113 + 30;
#X obj 213 69 * 70;
#X obj 100 240 cnv 15 100 60 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -257985 -66577
0;
#X obj 100 170 cnv 15 100 60 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -4160 -66577
0;
#X obj 100 100 cnv 15 100 60 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -4034 -66577
0;
#X obj 100 30 cnv 15 100 60 empty empty empty 20 12 0 14 -258113 -66577
0;
#X connect 0 0 3 0;
#X connect 1 0 4 0;
#X connect 3 0 2 0;
#X connect 4 0 0 0;
#X coords 0 -1 1 1 100 60 1 100 240;
#X restore 106 88 pd subPatch;
#X obj 252 87 vradio 15 1 0 4 sidepanel empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Pierre-Olivier Boulant]

Hi,

Terrific work.

I spotted a small thing last night trying it on an old patch. I'll try 
and make a streamlined version of the problem in the patch.


I have a subpatch with GOP. The parent patch has a selector which moves 
the coordinates of the GOP in the sub-patch. if I'm in Performance mode 
and I change the view in the GOP PurrData goes in edit mode.


the message to change the coordinates is:
[ ; pd-sidepanel donecanvasdialog 1 1 1 0 -1 1 1 196 924 $1 10, dirty 0 (

Hope this helps
Pierre-Olivier


On 09/02/2017 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:

Hi list,

Purr Data is now released.

Purr Data inherits the goodness of Pd-l2ork and runs on Gnu/Linux, 
Windows, and OSX. Infinite undo, enhanced editing and 2d drawing, and 
most of the the externals from Pd-extended (plus more from Pd-l2ork).


New since rc5:
* fixed display bug with [vu] on graph-on-parent canvas
* fix documentation for timer-help.pd
* fix "open" method for [ggee/image]
* default to the  user's home directory on OSX app bundle
* open the help browser file browser in the doc folder
* add a canvas "Print" menu item (under "File" menu)
* allow option to save the zoom level with the canvas
* fix a data structure crasher

Get binaries here:
https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master

-Jonathan


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[PD] Pd GUI poor performance Win10 Nvida GTX980M

[Matthias Kronlachner]

Hi,

I am having a poor GUI performance with Pd under Windows 10 and an Notebook
with Nvidia GTX980M graphics card.

Starting with an empty patch placing and dragging objects is very laggy.

This is the same for Pd-0.47-1, and Pd-extended 0.43.4, therefore I suspect
it's a problem with Tcl/Tk?

DSP and internal message handling works fine...

Does somebody have the same problem or a fix for this?

Thanks,
Matthias
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[zmoelnig]

On 02/09/2017 11:19 PM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
> Purr Data is now released.

congrats.

> Purr Data inherits the goodness of Pd-l2ork

so if Purr Data is distinct from Pd-l2ork, why is it distributed as
pd-l2ork (e.g. filenames)?

gfmdsar
IOhannes



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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[Esa Ruoho]

Hi guys, what is the earliest version of OS X that is still supported for
Purrdata? Will 10.6 Snow Leopard work?


On 10 February 2017 at 11:06, volker böhm  wrote:

> hi -
> just donwloaded pd-l2ork-2.0-osx-10.8-x86_64.dmg to run it on osx 10.8,
> but it won't install, saying it needs at least 10.9
> an oversight?
>
> On 09.02.2017, at 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list 
> wrote:
> >
> > Get binaries here:
> > https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master
> >
> > -Jonathan
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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[volker böhm]

hi - 
just donwloaded pd-l2ork-2.0-osx-10.8-x86_64.dmg to run it on osx 10.8, but it 
won't install, saying it needs at least 10.9
an oversight?

On 09.02.2017, at 23:19, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list  
wrote:
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> Get binaries here:
> https://git.purrdata.net/jwilkes/purr-data-binaries/tree/master
> 
> -Jonathan


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Re: [PD] Purr Data released!

[IOhannes m zmölnig]

On 02/10/2017 06:00 AM, Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list wrote:
> 
> 
> 2017-02-10 2:01 GMT-02:00 Jonathan Wilkes :
> 
>  Unfortunately not in OSX atm
> 
>> so, if not now, any estimate when? and what is the problem for now? just 
>> curious...
> It's a large complex library that takes a long time to compile, and there 
> wasn't 
> pre-existing infrastructure in the pd-extended build scripts to build it on 
> OSX as 
> a 64-bit target.
> I believe Matt Barber made some progress getting a recent version to compile.

Gem (from git) compiles out of the box on OSX-64bit.
this is even tested on travis-ci.
(it still lacks image/video/film acquisition, mainly because the OSX
nobody cares enough to implement that¹).

so if you have spare manpower, it would be more appreciated if that was
spent in getting the next Gem release out, rather than "making some
progress in getting recent versions to compile".

fgmards
IOhannes


¹ dan has put quite some work into it, and this is much appreciated.
but afaik his personal interest is more in ofx.
the big majority is probably just switching to jitter.



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