Re: [PD] Get room impulse response

2014-10-26 Thread Julian Brooks 
Slightly off-topic but there was mention of a proposal for porting
HISSTools to Pd but it's a big job and there wasn't any momentum - this was
a couple of years ago now.

Spoke to Harker a couple of weeks ago and this topic came up again.  The
(BSD) code's in good shape and he's parsed out much of the Max/dsp code to
aid a port.

It's all still outside of my skills/time (and isn't that the general
problem) but it would still be a worthhile additional lib to Pd, perhaps
even just a few objects such as the convolution that's all over Live (for
example) these days.

Just saying like.

Anyhow, good luck with it Jack, IR's are a fun topic.

REgards,

Julian

On 25 October 2014 12:47, Jack  wrote:

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> Excellent !
> I didn't see this web site before.
> It seems to be a good starting point.
> Merci !
> ++
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Le 25/10/2014 13:43, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
> > here you can find some good introduction :
> > http://designingsound.org/2012/12/recording-impulse-responses/
> >
> > -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
> >
> >
> > 2014-10-25 13:22 GMT+02:00 Jack : Hello Antoine,
> >
> > Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a
> > little bit to understand the process. Now if people know some
> > literature about this topic, they are welcome. ++
> >
> > Jack
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
>  for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of
>  implementation you can even do your own in pure pd (without
>  externals) the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao
>  or Cream library from MSH Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is
>  shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural rendering, wich
>  is great ! be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with
>  Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due
>  to some hacks in Pd's code)
> 
>  btw those only do convolution not impulse response
>  extraction, for which you need to do "deconvolution" by
>  knowing the source impulse and it's response some software
>  are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux
> 
>  the old way to record impulse response is to fire some
>  explosive or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the
>  impulse will be "colored" by the impulse source. once you
>  have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and
>  then convolve it with your live sound. the key to make a
>  convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.
> 
>  cheers
> 
>  a
> 
>  [1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it
>  yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
> 
> 
>  2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack : I saw an
>  object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just
>  want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little
>  bit of theory on this topic. ++
> 
>  Jack
> 
> 
> 
>  Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
> >>> So far as I know it's only MaxMSP:
> >>> http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
> >>>
> >>> But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external
> >>> for convolution (?)
> >>>
> >>> All the best, Peiman
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
> >>> On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hello Peiman,
> >>>
> >>> Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know
> >>> where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ?
> >>> ++
> >>>
> >>> Jack
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
> >> This might be of interest:
> >>
> >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k
> >>
> >> Also discussed here:
> >> http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/
> >>
> >>
> >> P
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >> On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I
> >> just know that reflected source signals are
> >> sensitive to the environment geometry and
> >> materials and I would like to get the room
> >> impulse response. Is there good informations
> >> about this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ?
> >> Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use to
> >>

Re: [PD] Get room impulse response

2014-10-25 Thread Jack 
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Excellent !
I didn't see this web site before.
It seems to be a good starting point.
Merci !
++

Jack



Le 25/10/2014 13:43, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
> here you can find some good introduction : 
> http://designingsound.org/2012/12/recording-impulse-responses/
> 
> -- do it yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
> 
> 
> 2014-10-25 13:22 GMT+02:00 Jack : Hello Antoine,
> 
> Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a
> little bit to understand the process. Now if people know some
> literature about this topic, they are welcome. ++
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
 for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of
 implementation you can even do your own in pure pd (without
 externals) the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao
 or Cream library from MSH Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is
 shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural rendering, wich
 is great ! be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with
 Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due
 to some hacks in Pd's code)
 
 btw those only do convolution not impulse response
 extraction, for which you need to do "deconvolution" by
 knowing the source impulse and it's response some software
 are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux
 
 the old way to record impulse response is to fire some
 explosive or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the
 impulse will be "colored" by the impulse source. once you
 have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and
 then convolve it with your live sound. the key to make a
 convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.
 
 cheers
 
 a
 
 [1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it 
 yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
 
 
 2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack : I saw an
 object make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just
 want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little
 bit of theory on this topic. ++
 
 Jack
 
 
 
 Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
>>> So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: 
>>> http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
>>> 
>>> But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external
>>> for convolution (?)
>>> 
>>> All the best, Peiman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk
>>>  || RSS Feed
>>>  || Concert
>>> News *
>>> 
>>> On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Peiman,
>>> 
>>> Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know
>>> where i could find Pd patch about impulse response ?
>>> ++
>>> 
>>> Jack
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
>> This might be of interest:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k
>> 
>> Also discussed here:
>> http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/
>> 
>> 
>> P
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>  || RSS Feed 
>>  ||
>> Concert News
>> *
>> 
>> On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I
>> just know that reflected source signals are
>> sensitive to the environment geometry and
>> materials and I would like to get the room
>> impulse response. Is there good informations
>> about this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ?
>> Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use to
>> understand the process ? Thanx. ++
>> 
>> Jack
>> 
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Re: [PD] Get room impulse response

2014-10-25 Thread Antoine Villeret 
here you can find some good introduction :
http://designingsound.org/2012/12/recording-impulse-responses/

--
do it yourself
http://antoine.villeret.free.fr


2014-10-25 13:22 GMT+02:00 Jack :
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> Hello Antoine,
>
> Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a little
> bit to understand the process.
> Now if people know some literature about this topic, they are welcome.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
>> for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation you
>> can even do your own in pure pd (without externals) the last
>> externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library from MSH
>> Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to
>> do binaural rendering, wich is great ! be careful there are lots of
>> incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with
>> some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)
>>
>> btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for
>> which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse
>> and it's response some software are dedicated to this task, but I
>> don't know any on linux
>>
>> the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive
>> or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be
>> "colored" by the impulse source. once you have recorded an impulse,
>> edit it to remove onset time and then convolve it with your live
>> sound. the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to
>> have a good impulse.
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> a
>>
>> [1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it
>> yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
>>
>>
>> 2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack : I saw an object
>> make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin
>> with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this
>> topic. ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
> So far as I know it's only MaxMSP:
> http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
>
> But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for
> convolution (?)
>
> All the best, Peiman
>
>
>
>
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>
> On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack  wrote:
>
> Hello Peiman,
>
> Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i
> could find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
 This might be of interest:

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k

 Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/


 P




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 On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack  wrote:

 Hello,

 I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just
 know that reflected source signals are sensitive to
 the environment geometry and materials and I would like
 to get the room impulse response. Is there good
 informations about this topic somewhere (web or help
 patch) ? Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use
 to understand the process ? Thanx. ++

 Jack

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Re: [PD] Get room impulse response

2014-10-25 Thread Jack 
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Hello Antoine,

Thanx for this brief explanation and for the link. I will dig a little
bit to understand the process.
Now if people know some literature about this topic, they are welcome.
++

Jack



Le 25/10/2014 13:03, Antoine Villeret a écrit :
> for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation you
> can even do your own in pure pd (without externals) the last
> externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library from MSH
> Paris Nord [1] I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to
> do binaural rendering, wich is great ! be careful there are lots of
> incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a Makefile but I stuck with
> some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)
> 
> btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for 
> which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse
> and it's response some software are dedicated to this task, but I
> don't know any on linux
> 
> the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive
> or gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be 
> "colored" by the impulse source. once you have recorded an impulse,
> edit it to remove onset time and then convolve it with your live
> sound. the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to
> have a good impulse.
> 
> cheers
> 
> a
> 
> [1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases -- do it
> yourself http://antoine.villeret.free.fr
> 
> 
> 2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack : I saw an object
> make by Katja, but is to high level for me. I just want to begin
> with small examples made with Pd and a little bit of theory on this
> topic. ++
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
 So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: 
 http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
 
 But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for 
 convolution (?)
 
 All the best, Peiman
 
 
 
 
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 On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack  wrote:
 
 Hello Peiman,
 
 Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i
 could find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
 
 Jack
 
 
 
 Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
>>> This might be of interest:
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k
>>> 
>>> Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/
>>> 
>>> 
>>> P
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk
>>>  || RSS Feed
>>>  || Concert
>>> News *
>>> 
>>> On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello,
>>> 
>>> I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just
>>> know that reflected source signals are sensitive to
>>> the environment geometry and materials and I would like
>>> to get the room impulse response. Is there good
>>> informations about this topic somewhere (web or help
>>> patch) ? Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use
>>> to understand the process ? Thanx. ++
>>> 
>>> Jack
>>> 
 
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Re: [PD] Get room impulse response

2014-10-25 Thread Antoine Villeret 
for convolution purpose there are afaik lots of implementation
you can even do your own in pure pd (without externals)
the last externals I saw doing this was in the Hao or Cream library
from MSH Paris Nord [1]
I think the lib is shipped with lots of impulse to do binaural
rendering, wich is great !
be careful there are lots of incompatibilies with Vanilla (I made a
Makefile but I stuck with some crashes due to some hacks in Pd's code)

btw those only do convolution not impulse response extraction, for
which you need to do "deconvolution" by knowing the source impulse and
it's response
some software are dedicated to this task, but I don't know any on linux

the old way to record impulse response is to fire some explosive or
gun but they make a weighted noise and thus the impulse will be
"colored" by the impulse source.
once you have recorded an impulse, edit it to remove onset time and
then convolve it with your live sound.
the key to make a convolution reverb sounding great is to have a good impulse.

cheers

a

[1] : https://github.com/CICM/HoaLibrary/releases
--
do it yourself
http://antoine.villeret.free.fr


2014-10-25 12:35 GMT+02:00 Jack :
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> I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me.
> I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit
> of theory on this topic.
> ++
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
>> So far as I know it's only MaxMSP:
>> http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
>>
>> But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for
>> convolution (?)
>>
>> All the best, Peiman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk  || RSS
>> Feed  || Concert News
>> *
>>
>> On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack  wrote:
>>
>> Hello Peiman,
>>
>> Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i could
>> find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
>>
>> Jack
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
> This might be of interest:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k
>
> Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/
>
>
> P
>
>
>
>
> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk 
> || RSS Feed  ||
> Concert News *
>
> On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack  wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just know
> that reflected source signals are sensitive to the
> environment geometry and materials and I would like to get
> the room impulse response. Is there good informations about
> this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ? Is there an
> existing (simple) patch I can use to understand the process ?
> Thanx. ++
>
> Jack
>
>>
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Re: [PD] Get room impulse response

2014-10-25 Thread Jack 
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I saw an object make by Katja, but is to high level for me.
I just want to begin with small examples made with Pd and a little bit
of theory on this topic.
++

Jack



Le 25/10/2014 12:23, peiman khosravi a écrit :
> So far as I know it's only MaxMSP: 
> http://www.alexanderjharker.co.uk/Software.html
> 
> But I'm sure someone here will know of a pd external for
> convolution (?)
> 
> All the best, Peiman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk  || RSS
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> On 25 October 2014 11:11, Jack  wrote:
> 
> Hello Peiman,
> 
> Thanx for the links, it was instructive. Do you know where i could
> find Pd patch about impulse response ? ++
> 
> Jack
> 
> 
> 
> Le 20/10/2014 17:38, peiman khosravi a écrit :
 This might be of interest:
 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0waUi6qpf-k
 
 Also discussed here: http://eprints.hud.ac.uk/14897/
 
 
 P
 
 
 
 
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 On 20 October 2014 16:30, Jack  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 I don't know a lot of things in this domain. I just know
 that reflected source signals are sensitive to the
 environment geometry and materials and I would like to get
 the room impulse response. Is there good informations about
 this topic somewhere (web or help patch) ? Is there an
 existing (simple) patch I can use to understand the process ?
 Thanx. ++
 
 Jack
 
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[PD] Get room impulse response

2014-10-20 Thread Jack 
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Hello,

I don't know a lot of things in this domain.
I just know that reflected source signals are sensitive to the
environment geometry and materials and I would like to get the room
impulse response.
Is there good informations about this topic somewhere (web or help
patch) ?
Is there an existing (simple) patch I can use to understand the process ?
Thanx.
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Jack

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