Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-12 Thread i go bananas
what about using a new symbol altogether for message boxes to pass creation arguments and $0 value? maybe @0. @1, etc??? ___ Pd-list@lists.iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-12 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
On 9/10/2014 2:21 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: This leads to an interesting point - '$0' might recently have become more important than it was before because of the multiple-libpd-instances features in 0.46 - any libpd patch wanting to support multiple instances will need some $0-ish

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-11 Thread Jonathan Wilkes via Pd-list
Yes I agree the two ideas may coexist. But I also think that if the two were to coexist, $0 in message boxes would pale in comparison in terms of usability. Hub/node: make a hub on a canvas. Now every node you create on that canvas or subcanvas belongs to that hub. If you need more than one,

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-11 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
On 9/11/2014 1:05 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Yes I agree the two ideas may coexist. But I also think that if the two were to coexist, $0 in message boxes would pale in comparison in terms of usability. Hub/node: make a hub on a canvas. Now every node you create on that canvas or subcanvas

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-10 Thread Ivica Bukvic
On Sep 10, 2014 1:17 AM, Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx wrote: Hi Ivica, On 10/09/14 04:19, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: Yet, I wonder why message shouldn't be able to pre-parse $0 into a valid dollarzero (canvas instance), when there will never be a message one Thoughts? There has

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-10 Thread Ivica Bukvic
What about for instance arrays that should maintain scope inside a specific abstraction so that you can have multiple independent abstractions? $0 is very useful IMHO and is also necessary to stay due to backwards compatibility concerns. Therefore, I think the discussion should be limited to a

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-10 Thread Phil Stone
I can add nothing of substance to this argument, but agree fully with Ivica. In many years, I have yet to hear a convincing argument why $0 cannot be recognized as the unique canvas identifier inside a message box. On the plus side, it would eliminate a great deal of cruft hanging off of

Re: [PD] Should message objects be able to pre-parse $0 into valid dollarzero?

2014-09-10 Thread Bill Gribble
On 09/10/2014 02:21 PM, Miller Puckette wrote: This leads to an interesting point - '$0' might recently have become more important than it was before because of the multiple-libpd-instances features in 0.46 - any libpd patch wanting to support multiple instances will need some $0-ish