Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 22:05 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: So, tried other things, and I see it won't be able to deal with messages including $0 like [qlist]. So the reason must be not related to [qlist] or [textfile], but the way Pd handles (or doesn't handle) $0 in messages. Yes.

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 19:00 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Although I assume I don't think I get the hassle it'd be to do that. I'm still struggling to see what could be so tricky to make $0 possible to work in messages, sorry :P The reason is most likely not the difficulty to

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 20:49 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: By the way, haven't been really able to make it work well with [textfile]. If you get a symbol with $0-symbol from a text file, you can't use it to work as an address for [send]. Miller proposed to use the new [text] class

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-04-03 03:05, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: So, tried other things, and I see it won't be able to deal with messages including $0 like [qlist]. So the reason must be not related to [qlist] or [textfile], but the way Pd handles (or

[PD] Soundfiler not behaving as expected

2014-04-03 Thread Eric Lyon
Hi All, in Pd 0.45.4 vanilla I'm getting the following behavior from soundfiler, using the help file: 1. Hit 2nd message down to read full bell sound into array2 - works fine. 2. Hit 4th message down to write an AIFF file to /tmp - resulting sound file is unreadable, apparently due to an

Re: [PD] Soundfiler not behaving as expected

2014-04-03 Thread Pagano, Patrick
I suggest you use player~ by Eric Lyon for stable playback :-) I cannot speak to the bad header though Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Eric Lyon audiodid...@gmail.commailto:audiodid...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, in Pd 0.45.4 vanilla I'm getting the following behavior from

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 04/03/2014 04:00 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 2014-04-03 03:05, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: [...] btw: i would probably even recommend to use explicit *connections* (rather than send/receive pairs) for anything local. then you

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
* when you run into nameclashes, you know your project has outgrown Pd and it's time to choose another language what's a nameclash? (maybe I haven't outgrown Pd yet) 2014-04-03 13:00 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com: On 04/03/2014 04:00 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Oops, I'll be dammed, but [text] doesn't seem to handle $0 in the same way. Although it looks like a super [qlist], giving [text] a $0 for an address symbol, such as $0-test1, turns it into 0-test1... so no deal for it. I'm assuming it's not supposed to be something regarding an object design.

[PD] Edit / Text Editor - what's the use?

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Hi there, I see there's a new [text] object in Pd 0.45 that defines, opens and edits text. This raises some doubts about the Text Editor option in the Edit Menu. I never knew what it was for, and I'm still clueless. How do you use it? Is there any example around I missed? cheers

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
For example, if you have two help patches open and each has an array inside it named array1.  One of the help patches will work, and the other won't.   That's because Put menu arrays assume you only have one array by that name.   Pd will use the first one it finds (probably the first one you

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
thanks for explaining it all imagine trying to design something like that which is also backwards compatible with the crude namespacing tools that already exist in Pd. It's not possible ok, here's where I'm a bit confuse. You're not saying it'd be impossible to make messages inherit the $0

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 16:13 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: thanks for explaining it all imagine trying to design something like that which is also backwards compatible with the crude namespacing tools that already exist in Pd. It's not possible ok, here's where I'm a bit

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 12:00 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: * when you run into nameclashes, you know your project has outgrown Pd and it's time to choose another language That is a pretty bold statement. I never ever run into name clashes, no matter how big the project was/is. The

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 04/03/2014 04:14 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Don, 2014-04-03 at 12:00 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: * when you run into nameclashes, you know your project has outgrown Pd and it's time to choose another language That is a pretty bold statement. It's meant as a shortcut to avoid wasting

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead for quite a while by now I don't think this debate is going lead anywhere please, cope with my lack of knowledge in computer science/languages jargons. All I'm doing is asking to learn more about it and get what you guys mean. I'm not debating,

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 17:33 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: So yes, it's rather extreme of me to advise users to just use global symbols and switch languages when they run into problems. But I think there's an assumption on this list that most users know enough about other programming

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 04/03/2014 03:13 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: thanks for explaining it all imagine trying to design something like that which is also backwards compatible with the crude namespacing tools that already exist in Pd. It's not possible ok, here's where I'm a bit confuse. You're not

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
Hi Jonathan, I like it too, and the pedagogical concern is what gets me the most. I find new users to be reluctant to the clunkiness. Had never heard of the Nova system, is it available somewhere? Seems it's not built on the core of Pd anyway, right? thanks 2014-04-03 19:03 GMT-03:00 Jonathan

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 04/03/2014 05:42 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Don, 2014-04-03 at 17:33 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: So yes, it's rather extreme of me to advise users to just use global symbols and switch languages when they run into problems. But I think there's an assumption on this list that most users

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 04/03/2014 06:33 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Hi Jonathan, I like it too, and the pedagogical concern is what gets me the most. I find new users to be reluctant to the clunkiness. Had never heard of the Nova system, is it available somewhere? Seems it's not built on the core of Pd

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 18:32 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead for quite a while by now I don't think this debate is going lead anywhere please, cope with my lack of knowledge in computer science/languages jargons. I'm sorry. I

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Miller Puckette
I almost meant that :) you still have to send [text sequence] the values of the $ variables you want to use (starting with $1). But the ability to instance-ize sequences is there. cheers M On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 08:38:16AM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 20:49 -0300,

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
not confusing, thanks 2014-04-03 19:54 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com: On Don, 2014-04-03 at 18:32 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead for quite a while by now I don't think this debate is going lead anywhere

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 18:41 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: On 04/03/2014 05:42 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: On Don, 2014-04-03 at 17:33 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: So yes, it's rather extreme of me to advise users to just use global symbols and switch languages when they run into problems.

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
I almost meant that :) you still have to send [text sequence] the values of the $ variables you want to use (starting with $1). But the ability to instance-ize sequences is there. hmmm, are you pointing to a solution where I can send $0 to textfile and it would generate the number and do the

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Miller Puckette
Yeah - for instance use a [pack] object to get a list of $ substtution values into [text sequence] - then one of the arguments to [pcak] can be $0. cheers M On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 08:44:02PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote: I almost meant that :) you still have to send [text sequence] the

[PD] UDOO Quad and Generic Guitar to USB link issues

2014-04-03 Thread Carlos Sanchez
Hello PD-list, I am currently working on my semester project which is a guitar multi-effect pedal using the UDOO Quad and PD. I got everything up and running on the Linaro Ubutu 12.04 LTS build provided by UDOO and I am having strange results with PD. The soundcard I am using works normally when

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
On 04/03/2014 07:13 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote: [...] Thanks for your remarks. You probably caught me in the act of feeling comfortable in an actually not so comfortable situation. It's true that people get accustomed to the environment they grow up in. I've never challenged myself into thinking

Re: [PD] Soundfiler not behaving as expected

2014-04-03 Thread Chris Clepper
I can confirm this happens for me for both soundfiler and writesf~ (Mac 10.6.8 and PD 0.45-4). Even after applying a new AIFF header in soundhack, the files are just noise. Honestly, I've only ever used WAV files with Pd before testing this just now! PS - Eric, I bought your Max/Pd external

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
I think I got it, will try as soon as a I can. I have to properly study this new object first anyway. If I got it, that looks like a workaround I thought about before, still thinking of [qlist], like storing all the sequence in the patch and then send it to [qlist], where I could get the patch $0

Re: [PD] [qlist] and locality

2014-04-03 Thread Alexandre Torres Porres
HEY, I SEE HOW [text] WORKS NOW Awesome, you can easily send arguments to it. Perfect 2014-04-03 20:59 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu: Yeah - for instance use a [pack] object to get a list of $ substtution values into [text sequence] - then one of the arguments to [pcak] can be