[PD] popping from - and prepending to - a generic message

2007-02-07 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi all, Is there a reasonably stright-forward way in pd-proper (I mean, without externals) to do either of the following two things? 1) Removing the first element of a message (NOT necessarily a list) and returning the rest of the message 2) Prepending a symbol or number to a message But I

[PD] re: namecanvas - why deprecated?

2007-02-09 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Frank Barknecht wrote Try: [clear( | [s $0something] That's why [namecanvas] is not the final word on the functionality it provides. I don't understand what you mean. If you mean because it makes PD crash, then try this: [clear( | [s pd-whateverthisfileiscalled.pd] with no use of

[PD] Re: namecanvas

2007-02-09 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
F. Barknecht wrote Well, that's an error of the patch-author. Well, whenever a program crashes and can't recover (that is, it forces the operating system to close it), it is ALWAYS a bug of the program (unless it is of the operating system of course) no matter how erroneous the input from the

[PD] Re: namecanvas

2007-02-10 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
While I agree that Pd should not crash here, I don't agree with your reasoning: Pd is a programming language. It is possible to write buggy programs in Pd just as in [...] Javascript. That's not the fault of Pd or [...] Javascript (I've stripped out the part about C because that's a compiled

[PD] Re: higher education

2007-02-14 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi list. Im making up a list of candidate european universities to persue higher education in music technology. I only know UPF and IEM. Can anyone recomend universities that have programs/ research in this wide field? All this onfo will bevery very appreciated. Im now in southamerica and

[PD] Re: Feature Requests for Google Summer of Co

2007-02-20 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
I don't know if this is something worthy for the summer of code... or at all... but I would love PDP to work on Windows ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] Fw: infinite composing call for works

2007-02-20 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Simpler than I could imagine ; - Original Message - From: Infinite composing [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 8:33 PM Subject: SV: infinite composing call for works Hi Matteo. Thanks for your mail and your interest

[PD] pd joystick

2007-03-01 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I was looking for an external to receive data from a standard joystick (at least for windows). I only found the pd_joystick one that can be downloaded here: http://crca.ucsd.edu/~jsarlo/pd/ It works fine, but it has a huge design flaw in that the number of outlets depends on the number of

[PD] Is asynchronous but fast loading possible?

2007-03-06 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi all, This is not related to the reading big sound files thread, although that made me remember of this question I have been wanting to ask for a long time. I know two ways of reading sound files in PD. One is loading them into a table with [soundfiler], and the other is playing them

Re: [PD] Is asynchronous but fast loading possible?

2007-03-07 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, Well, I still have to look at the [sndfile] everyone is talking about, but anyway, with regard to the general discussion about sound playing and loading, please let's distinguish between two completely different problems: -PLAYING audio files (i.e. reading them in real time) -LOADING audio

[PD] forcing focus to and minimizing the GEM window

2007-03-14 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hola, Do anybody know a way to mininimize the GEM window, and then restore it and bring it to front? I mean, obviously, controlled by PD message, not by mouse. Either in full screen or not: both would be useful to me (assuming I can have a borderless screen-size zero-positioned gem window)

Re: [PD] bang on ~ 0 crossing?

2007-04-28 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I think the [threshold~] object should do exactly what you ask, would be more accurate than the [snapshot~]+[~]+[metro] approach and perhaps even cheaper, and it does not require any external either. But I may be missing something... bye m. attached post does what you want, to an

[PD] Control-edit syndrome

2007-05-01 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, Has anyone of you ever experimented this? You are browsing the folders in your computer. Before you click on a file name to rename the file, you instinctively hit CTRL+E expecting your mouse cursor tu turn into a hand. Does anyone know a cure? (except abstinence from PD obviously) sorry -

[PD] P4-optimized 0.40 vanilla precompiled for windows?

2007-05-02 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I'm having the CPU jumps after a while problem. That is, the same patch which at the beginning is consuming about 30% of CPU, after a while it is running (and absolutely nothing changes in it, and I am totally sure this is true) suddenly jumps to a CPU consumption over 70%. I've read in

Re: [PD] P4-optimized 0.40 vanilla precompiled for windows?

2007-05-02 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
don't understand is why that is a problem only in pentium4: don't other processors have denormals as well? thanks m. - Original Message - From: Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 12:36 PM Subject: P4-optimized 0.40 vanilla precompiled

Re: [PD] Looping samples with tabread4~

2007-05-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Message - From: Roman Haefeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [PD] Looping samples with tabread4~ On Thu, 2007-05-17 at 11:21 +0200, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: 4. Simply

Re: [PD] Looping samples with tabread4~

2007-05-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
However, in this approach the pitch input is control, i.e. number, it is not a signal. This doesn't allow for a signal input pitch. hey, but you showed us an interesting use of [rpole~] for doing that. Yeah, what I miss is how to seamlessly switch from the first cycle to the next

Re: [PD] Looping samples with tabread4~

2007-05-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
For one-shot sampler phasor~ is not good IMO because of the quantiztion of the phase-inlet. phasor~ samplers would be terrible for drum-samplers. Yeah, obviously my solution only makes sense if we want a continuous signal pitch. (input pitch ~) | [rpole 1] | [tabread4~] (sending a

Re: [PD] pd-list by subject

2007-05-27 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Frank barknecht wrote: As people tend to do strange things to subjects (like inserting [SPAM] inserts etc.) I think it's usually machines that do that, not people :) -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f Sponsor: Clicca qui:

Re: [PD] [OT] M$ invents the reacTable

2007-05-30 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Though I'm a big fan of Reactable, and quite not a fan of Microsoft, and though I do recognize the similarities, I don't think the creators of Reactable invented computer vision, nor the idea of a touch display. -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f

Re: [PD] [OT] M$ invents the reacTable

2007-05-30 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: Though I'm a big fan of Reactable, and quite not a fan of Microsoft, and though I do recognize the similarities, I don't think the creators of Reactable invented computer vision, nor the idea of a touch display. I know. I know. I was just making a joke of how

[PD] what distinguishes a numeric symbol as an argument?

2007-05-31 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi list I understand that [symbol 43( is not the same as [43( as it is interpreted as a symbol, not a float. So I can send the message [symbol 43( to a symbol atom, or to any object that works with symbols, and it will be handled just as if it was [symbol dog(, right? However, when this

Re: [PD] what distinguishes a numeric symbol as an argument?

2007-05-31 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Thanks a lot Frank, now I see it all quite clearly. I always thought that the two following conjectures were true: conjecture 1 - any given message output by any PD object can always be reproduced by writing it down literally in a message box conjecture 2 - a PD message is simply a

Re: [PD] what distinguishes a numeric symbol as an argument

2007-06-01 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Frank Barknecht wrote: Acutally except for numeric symbols and for the whitespace symbols [keyname] sometime generates one doesn't meet strange symbols a lot in real life, so it's not a real issue in practice. One doesn't meet those strange symbols in real life, and it's because those symbols

Re: [PD] puredata evolution

2007-06-04 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, PD is often said to be meant to be a tool for just prototyping. It certainly had to be so when it was born but hey, nowadays, with the available cpu power of average machines... don't you think that it is no more necessarily so? I'm curious: how many of you really re-code their pd patches

[PD] isn't the GUI supposed to have lower priority than process?

2007-06-04 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I always thought that in PD, process (i.e. dsp and control processing) had the priority over GUI rendering, in such a way that drawing the gui would NEVER cause audio clicks although this means there's no warranty about how much gui rendering may be delayed. To my great disappointment, I

Re: [PD] isn't the GUI supposed to have lower priority than process?

2007-06-05 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Frank wrote: Just a note: Many people all over the world are using Pd in live performances, which proves that it is a suitable tool for this. That's it's not bug-free and has room for improvements is a different story. And also: there is not a single piece of free software in its realm

[PD] denormals

2007-06-06 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I may be missing something, but... I don't think it should be any surprise that intels and other processors still have the denormal problem. AFAIU, a processor may handle denormals in a more or less efficient way, but it will always be quite much slower when handling denormals than when

[PD] GL: out of memory - which memory?

2007-07-24 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
I will) or even just to isolate it better, I need to know one thing: When the error message GL: out of memory appears on the PD output window, does it mean that it has run out of computer RAM, or is it the graphics card's memory? Thanks in advance matteo sisti sette -- Email.it

Re: [PD] [GEM-dev] GL: out of memory - which memory?

2007-07-28 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
). If anybody at all has read all the message to this point, well... I really appreciate that and I am really grateful. Bye m. - Original Message - From: Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2007 9:31 PM Subject: [GEM-dev] GL: out

Re: [PD] GL: out of memory - which memory?

2007-07-29 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
You have not said what OS and hardware you have, which would be very helpful. Whoops! The OS is Windows XP on an Intel Core Duo processor. The graphic card is an nvidia; I'll have to check out which model. -- Email.it, the professional e-mail, gratis per te: http://www.email.it/f

Re: [PD] difference send and using msg with ;

2007-08-16 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
marius schebella wrote: [s] was the only one to send messages of variable size and Mathieu Bouchard wrote If you are sending a variable number of elements then the [s] wins because the messagebox can't do it... It is actually possible to send a variable-sized message with a message box,

Re: [PD] $0 in messages (was: Re: difference send and using msg with ; )

2007-08-16 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
marius schebella wrote why not use # as in max? @ is already used to access object attributes. marius. # may be a good option, but: 1) It would not be as in max, it would be viceversa (max uses # for creation arguments and $ for message arguments) 2) I guess it may imply some implementation

Re: [PD] difference send and using msg with ;

2007-08-16 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Frank Barknecht wrote: But anyway: I also think, you're cheating, ecause you're actually changing the message box and thus creating many different message boxes on the fly, Sorry, it was not my intention to cheat. I'll have to read the rules of the game again ;) I just thought I'd mention

Re: [PD] difference send and using msg with ;

2007-08-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Mathieu Bouchard wrote (and a few other people wrote something similar): $0 in objectboxes is already inconsistent with $1,$2,$3,... in objectboxes, so, it's not clear that $0 in messagebox has to be consistent with anything at all. $0 is inconsistent with $1, $2 etc strictly speaking, but

Re: [PD] strange canvas behaviour

2007-08-18 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
2007/8/17, Mathieu Bouchard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I wrote about this today already. This is because $ is rewritten as # instead of being rewritten as \$ as it should. The # way involves extra code that is both causing your problem and is unnecessary because \$ already gets converted to $

[PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-18 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I am getting dsp drop-outs when I resize a table (say a size of 20 or so) if a tabread~ object exists reading from that table, even if I am not listening to the output of the tabread~. Even if the tabread~ is in a switch~ed off subpatch/abstraction. Does PD recompute the whole DSP

Re: [PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-19 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
it: nothing more and no connection. Every time I click on the message box to resize the newly created table, there's an audio drop-out. Any idea of why? Any workaround? Thanks m. - Original Message - From: Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, August 19

Re: [PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-19 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
? Thanks m. - Original Message - From: Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2007 2:55 AM Subject: audio drop-outs when resizing tables?? Hi, I am getting dsp drop-outs when I resize a table (say a size of 20 or so) if a tabread~ object

Re: [PD] audio drop-outs when resizing tables??

2007-08-19 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Does PD recompute the whole DSP chain whenever a table (with one or more tabread~ reading from it) is resized? yes, the dsp chain is recreated ... Why does it need to recompute the dsp graph? I know nothing about pd internals, but (or should I say so) I really can't see the reason for

Re: [PD] difference send and using msg with ;

2007-08-21 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Excerpt from a PD class in 2010 (when $0 for message boxes has been implemented meaning the same as a $0 in an object box): STUDENT: So a $ sign in an object means a creation argument of the abstraction instance. But I've seen some $0's around... I thought $1 was the first creation argument.

Re: [PD] message to open subpatch window (some gop stuff too)

2007-08-24 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
As [namecanvas] is deprecated What about deprecating the deprecation now?? I vote in favour of this! :) I think it was an error to deprecate namecanvas, not just because one may like or dislike it, but simply because there is no (complete) replacement for it. But I won't repeat myself:

[PD] cannot get Motu Ultralite to use multichannel input in Windows (neither ASIO nor MMIO)

2007-08-29 Thread matteo sisti sette
Hi list, I have a Motu Ultralite FireWire external audio interface, and I need to use 4 channel input and 2 channel output, in Windows XP. I have tried everything but either I cannot get 4 input, or I cannot get the output. With PD, of course. Here are more details. This card is supposed to

[PD] totally absurd

2007-10-05 Thread matteo sisti sette
m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com #N canvas 377 0 760 672 12; #X obj 151 81 r \$1-if-send; #X obj 151 107 s \$1; #X obj 200 151 r \$1; #X obj 250 765 s \$1-if-receive; #X obj 199 231 route float symbol; #X obj 72 554 change; #X obj 10 372 switch2; #X msg

[PD] scroll bug

2007-10-22 Thread matteo sisti sette
it with the scrollwheel since it was never a problem up to now) PD Vanilla 0.40.2 on Windows XP. Clean install with no externals. Any help will be appreciated Thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] scroll bug

2007-10-23 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
actually matteo just wanted to point out that he has already submitted a bug-report to the bug-tracker [1817858] i think he only wanted to raise the priority on a social level. I am really sorry if I annoyed anyone with the double post, but posting the issue to the bug tracker and to the

Re: [PD] scroll bug

2007-10-24 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
If I didn't wait even 45 minutes (nor even 5 probably) after reporting the bug before I wrote to the ml, it was not for impatience but just because the oh sorry, i was not aware of that. to me it seemed that between your posting to the tracker and to the ml a timespan of 4 hours

[PD] resyncing audio

2007-10-31 Thread matteo sisti sette
it happens that I trigger too many events at the same time causing small audio dropouts (obviously I'm trying to fix this) but I'm not sure whether that's when I get resyncing audio. Should I expect it to be so? Thank you in advance m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

[PD] midi yoke question

2007-10-31 Thread matteo sisti sette
to know to whom to report the bug. The midi feedback detection condition must be too loose, since it detects feedback in cases where you are simply sending too much data but with no feedback. In case it is PD, I will post more detail and a test patch. Thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL

[PD] debugging techniques/tricks for a non-developer?

2007-11-03 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, I use PD quite a lot, and it sometimes happens to me that it crashes. Sometimes I have been able to isolate and identify the cause of the crash, in which case either it was a known bug or I reported it, or the crash was triggered by some errors in my patches that I could fix. However,

Re: [PD] debugging techniques/tricks for a non-developer?

2007-11-07 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
run pd inside valgrind. it slows down pd by 50 times or so, but it checks a lot more memory accesses, and it can make the bugs easier to trigger. Thanks a lot for the information and advice. The time has come to stop being lazy and get Linux! If PD crashes, I need to know: whether there is

Re: [PD] convert range (0 to 1) to (-4 to 4)

2007-11-20 Thread matteo sisti sette
can be used to initialize them. So in your example you would use 0,1,-4,4 as creation arguments (or send them to the inlets starting from the second). -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com #N canvas 403 65 462 585 12; #X obj 92 229 inlet; #X obj 92 263 - \$1; #X

[PD] estimating cpu usage

2008-01-10 Thread matteo sisti sette
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Re: [PD] estimating cpu usage

2008-01-10 Thread matteo sisti sette
approximately, but I get values below 0.1!! Why The answer to this question may perhaps suggest me a trick to get the cpu-load calculations I mentioned.. Thanks m. 2008/1/10, matteo sisti sette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I wish I could estimate cpu usage (in terms I will define later) from

Re: [PD] estimating cpu usage

2008-01-10 Thread matteo sisti sette
With [timer] I get 1.45125, which is 64/44100*1000 as expected. With [realtime], I would expect a slightly varying value around 1.45125 approximately, but I get values below 0.1!! Whooops! :$:$:$:$:$:$ That's not true!! With realtime I get a lot of small values around 0.1 and then,

Re: [PD] poor performance when saving an abstraction when many copies are loaded in a patch

2008-01-10 Thread matteo sisti sette
of times but just tens of times. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] poor performance when saving an abstraction when many copies are loaded in a patch

2008-01-10 Thread matteo sisti sette
is not an excuse to underestimate the importance of an issue - especially when the workaround only applies to a restricted range of cases. Bye m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list

Re: [PD] poor performance when saving an abstraction when many copies are loaded in a patch

2008-01-11 Thread matteo sisti sette
crashing or behaving weirdly. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

[PD] about fiddle~

2008-01-11 Thread matteo sisti sette
in advance m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] about fiddle~

2008-01-11 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Another question about fiddle. I'd like to be able to distinguish between a signal with a pitch and a signal without a picth. It seems to me that fiddle always outputs its best guess no matter how reliable it is. Actually that's not quite true. fiddle~ doesn't output anything at all from its

[PD] which one is more expensive (GUI vs netsend vs MIDI)

2008-01-15 Thread matteo sisti sette
the long version but I've just realize it wouldn't be of much interest :) Thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info

Re: [PD] [OT] spectral irregularity to measure noisiness (was Re: about fiddle~)

2008-01-18 Thread matteo sisti sette
Jamie -- www.postlude.co.uk -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com #N canvas 377 16 686 626 12; #X obj 35 49 inlet~; #X obj 296 113 table \$0-sm \$1; #X obj 26 148 *~; #X obj 66 148 *~; #X obj 26 189 sqrt~; #X obj 35 101 fft~; #X obj 24 392 snapshot~; #X obj 192

Re: [PD] [OT] spectral irregularity to measure noisiness (was Re:about fiddle~)

2008-01-18 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
That's not actually a correct implementation of spectral flatness. What you've done is more like the arithmetic mean of the log-magnitude spectrum over arithmetic mean of the mag spectrum. Whereas the SFM is the _geometric_ mean of the mag spectrum over over its arithmetic mean. Isn't the

Re: [PD] processing images with GEM?

2008-01-21 Thread matteo sisti sette
, 0 down right corner is 1, 1] 2008/1/21, Derek Holzer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: See the attached patch, Sara Kolster and I use it in our workshops. Original by Ben Bogart, posted to the list when we had similar questions a few years ago. best, d. matteo sisti sette wrote: I have to perform

Re: [PD] processing images with GEM?

2008-01-21 Thread matteo sisti sette
, inverted or not, the patch does what it's supposed to, I hope! best, d. matteo sisti sette wrote: Thanks a lot, very interesting!! Just a quetion/problem. I'm trying your attached patch, and it works, but the Y position of the cursor seems to be systematically inverted! I mean

[PD] bringing the GEM fullscreen window to front in Windows: issue (a second gem window appears)

2008-01-25 Thread matteo sisti sette
to be created? Thanks in advance m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] bringing the GEM fullscreen window to front in Windows: issue (a second gem window appears)

2008-01-25 Thread matteo sisti sette
Hi Cyrille, thanks for your help. you're using windows? Yep. have you try the [topmost $1 message to the gemwin? ($1 = 0 or 1) if it work, then it's probably easier than an external switcher I didn't know about the topmost message! However, I'm afraid I still need the switcher. Turning

[PD] one more boring computation-time cuestion of mine...

2008-01-28 Thread matteo sisti sette
this, and removed the [tabplay~] thing from the [sample] abstraction, and now the loading of samples seems to be enormously faster... -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account

Re: [PD] one more boring computation-time cuestion of mine...

2008-01-29 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
messages to test one sample. I did this, and removed the [tabplay~] thing from the [sample] abstraction, and now the loading of samples seems to be enormously faster... -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com

Re: [PD] this is crazy

2008-01-31 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
hard off wrote: what's [oscabs] ??? the abtraction in the missing attachment (containing an [osc~]) Oh sorry, here it is. I had attached it, but then changed it and did something wrong when reattaching it in google webmail (i guess I removed the attached file and just forgot to reattach

Re: [PD] Structured Data Flow?

2008-02-01 Thread matteo sisti sette
I think the original post was not about good style but about methods/techniques for structured patching, that is (as I interprete it and I may be wrong), how to write mantainable, reusable, scalable (etc.) code in PD. I do understand that the two things are related, as good style improves

Re: [PD] lost messages with netsend

2008-02-11 Thread matteo sisti sette
, matteo sisti sette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I use netsend and netreceive to send messages across 2 instances of pd on the same machine (localhost). I use the outlet of netsend to detect when netsend is connected, and when it is ([select 1]) I immediately send out some data through it. IN SOME

[PD] lost messages with netsend

2008-02-11 Thread matteo sisti sette
(after netsend has output a 1) may be lost, without issuing an error message. Has anyone experienced it? Any suggestion on how to systematically trigger it so as to produce a test patch to post to the bug tracker? The bug may even be in netreceive, not necessarily netsend. -- Matteo Sisti Sette

Re: [PD] pd becomes unresponsive but does not eat cpu

2008-02-11 Thread matteo sisti sette
apart from printing special characters? Thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account

[PD] pd becomes unresponsive but does not eat cpu

2008-02-11 Thread matteo sisti sette
working without triggering a stack overflow or whatever error? Or must it be something else? Thanks, m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] pd becomes unresponsive but does not eat cpu

2008-02-12 Thread matteo sisti sette
dependent (or not), so if it does not reproduce the bug try increasing the number in the message box. 2008/2/11, matteo sisti sette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, Does anyone know what kind of errors may cause PD to become completely unresponsive (i.e.: you click on any GUI object and nothing happens

[PD] fixes in 0.41?

2008-02-12 Thread matteo sisti sette
live with the fear that one day, I add one more [table] and everything stops working. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] fixes in 0.41?

2008-02-13 Thread matteo sisti sette
. cheers Miller On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 03:46:11PM +0100, Steffen Juul wrote: On 12/02/2008, at 13.58, matteo sisti sette wrote: Are there any changelogs (is this the correct word) listing added features and especially bugfixes of each PD release? There are release notes in doc/1

Re: [PD] Pd 0.41-2 released

2008-02-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
and netsend/netreceive sometimes dropping data. That is fixed, but there still is a bug with netsend/netreceive freezing PD forever (without eating up any cpu) when a large burts of messages is sent in a short time (need not be zero logical time). I thought it was related to the data drop

[PD] is this a bug?

2008-02-17 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi, In the attached patch, I try to dynamically create an object (in the example an [s]) by sending a message to the canvas, and I want this object to have a creation argument $1-foo1 or $1-foo2, etc... That is, the creation argument of the object must contain a $1 that must not be evaluated

[PD] the behaviour of [list length] has changed!!

2008-02-19 Thread matteo sisti sette
behaviour. Was this change intentional? Is there a reason so good to be worth such a huge break in backward compatibility? If so, the help patch should be updated. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at

Re: [PD] the behaviour of [list length] has changed!!

2008-02-19 Thread matteo sisti sette
afair, this has been discussed on the list. I'm really sorry, I should have searched the archives!! I usually do, this time I forgot to. No excuse, just sorry. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management -

Re: [PD] zexy help (asked zexy but it crashes PD)

2008-02-19 Thread matteo sisti sette
, matteo sisti sette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I have just installed zexy because I need to truncate a symbol and I thought I'd try that with symbol2list and list2symbol. At first I thought that [symbol2list] and [list2symbol] would be available as objects but it isn't so. So I thought it may

[PD] zexy help (asked zexy but it crashes PD)

2008-02-19 Thread matteo sisti sette
, and the abstractions (*.pd) directly into the extra directory. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] the behaviour of [list length] has changed!!

2008-02-19 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Frank wrote 2 - the documentation (help patch) is unchanged, and there is no ambiguity in it: it describes the old behaviour. You may have a different help patch than I: Mine doesn't describe this issue at all. You have to look inside the [pd length] subpatch. It says: The list length

[PD] detecting file error in readsf~

2008-02-20 Thread matteo sisti sette
/exceptions at all (at a pd level) but rather special conditions to be handled by the patch. In my opinion, trying to open a file that cannot be opened is as normal as sending a 2-element list to a [list split 4]. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com

[PD] floor() in exp

2008-02-25 Thread matteo sisti sette
for the words expr and floor I encountered a message datiing back to 2002 that said that floor and ceil were added. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account

Re: [PD] understanding vline~

2008-03-06 Thread matteo sisti sette
the first ramp (because it is a ramp from 1 to 1) which _may_ be what confused the author of this thread. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

[PD] pdlua binaries for windows??

2008-03-06 Thread matteo sisti sette
Hi, Are there any downloadable precompiled binaries of pdlua for Windows?? Thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http

Re: [PD] Linux sounds better than Windows!

2008-03-08 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Linux sounds better than Windows! i have speaker cables made of pure gold. i know what i'm talking about. cheers, sven. I'm not sure whether this was serious or sarchastic. nobody will deny that. of course not. at least not here. Well.. Of course I won't deny that Linux IS

Re: [PD] [PD-announce] SIMULTAN04 Festival - Screening - Call for

2008-03-08 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
SIMULTAN04 is open for submissions of innovative works which use technology in a creative, ingenious way or are based on a peculiar, unusual story. The video section is open to all video artists and not only, who can apply with narratives, experimental video, animations, vj-ing movies and

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-10 Thread matteo sisti sette
can't believe such an enormous distortion is the normal expected one due to 32 bit float precision... Or is this the result of the issues that have been mentioned in this thread (table size, linear interpolation)??? -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com #N

Re: [PD] Pd sounds better than Max?

2008-03-10 Thread matteo sisti sette
quantization of the soundcard :$:$ I didn't know it was _that_ audible at 16 bit however. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info

[PD] [almost OT] need suggestions for an implementation

2008-03-11 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Hi list, I need to implement an object that I will call a scheduler (suggestions for a better name are welcome too) which would be very similar to a [qlist] (without the need for the capability of changing the tempo), with two differences: - the leading number in a message represents absolute

Re: [PD] [almost OT] need suggestions for an implementation

2008-03-12 Thread matteo sisti sette
way I know of doing this is to use a few thousand instances of [list append], so again I have the problem of load time. By the way, is perhaps the loading time of a patch greater-than-linear with the number of objects in it? perhaps quadratic? -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http

Re: [PD] [almost OT] need suggestions for an implementation

2008-03-12 Thread matteo sisti sette
present in the queue. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] [almost OT] need suggestions for an implementation

2008-03-12 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
Frank wrote: You could do that with the textfile and pipe solution as well. The order of lines in textfile doesn't matter, if you pipe them to pipe. Ohh, great! I didn't understand your proposed solution, until I had another look at the [pipe] help, which I was convinced I knew, and was

Re: [PD] [almost OT] need suggestions for an implementation

2008-03-13 Thread matteo sisti sette
very much for the help. Ciao m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] Clocks and [pipe] in Lua

2008-03-13 Thread matteo sisti sette
to a pdclass object itself, and their callback methods don't accept any additional arguments to specify which of the event they should handle. Thanks m. -- Matteo Sisti Sette [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.matteosistisette.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing

[PD] inflating PD-Vanilla (was Re: [almost OT] need suggestions for an implementation)

2008-03-13 Thread Matteo Sisti Sette
I do totally agree that [pdlua] is a great thing and that it would be desirable to have it become part of PD-Vanilla. Nevertheless, Frank Barknecht wrote: Some people may miss [s2l] in vanilla Pd, others miss a [pipe] for variable length lists or a multi-period [metro], a flexible markov

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