Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-08 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:26 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So a library like 'audiomath' would then have audiomath/libaudiomath.pd_linux. Normally, audiomath/libaudiomath.pd_linux would only include shared code, but for this case, it

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 8, 2009, at 7:19 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:26 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So a library like 'audiomath' would then have audiomath/ libaudiomath.pd_linux. Normally,

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-07 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Apr 6, 2009, at 5:26 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So a library like 'audiomath' would then have audiomath/ libaudiomath.pd_linux. Normally, audiomath/libaudiomath.pd_linux would only include shared code, but for this case, it would also include the ~

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: So a library like 'audiomath' would then have audiomath/libaudiomath.pd_linux. Normally, audiomath/libaudiomath.pd_linux would only include shared code, but for this case, it would also include the ~ class, etc. i guess you meant to name it either

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread Claude Heiland-Allen
Martin Peach wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: The shell's [] (/usr/bin/test) also has -gt,-lt,-ge,-le,-eq,-ne, which it uses for numeric comparisons, whereas it uses ,,=,=,==,!= for string comparisons. It also needs both by design. [snip] Oh I see. But

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread Martin Peach
Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Martin Peach wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: The shell's [] (/usr/bin/test) also has -gt,-lt,-ge,-le,-eq,-ne, which it uses for numeric comparisons, whereas it uses ,,=,=,==,!= for string comparisons. It also needs both by

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: Oh I see. But that notation is only standard in shell languages and is not going to help someone guess the name of the object or what it does, especially if they are not used to english. If they are so much not used to English, then how do you justify

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote: Oh I see. But that notation is only standard in shell languages and is not going to help someone guess the name of the object or what it does, especially if they are not used to

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: also at least one assembly language: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/68000_Assembly#Conditional_tests Yeah, but if Martin thinks that shells and Perl both don't matter, then anything lower-level won't matter (if you don't think of Pd as being

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: Pd is a higher level language that trades off efficiency for a more human interface. Yes, it's definitely more human to take a simple formula that fits in a small space and explode it into a network of little components with long names for the sake of

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-06 Thread Thomas Mayer
Claude Heiland-Allen wrote: Martin Peach wrote: Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: The shell's [] (/usr/bin/test) also has -gt,-lt,-ge,-le,-eq,-ne, which it uses for numeric comparisons, whereas it uses ,,=,=,==,!= for string comparisons. It also needs both by

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-05 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: The shell's [] (/usr/bin/test) also has -gt,-lt,-ge,-le,-eq,-ne, which it uses for numeric comparisons, whereas it uses ,,=,=,==,!= for string comparisons. It also needs both by design. Sure, but bash is written in c and it can call its functions

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-05 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote: I have found that using these math functions doesn't always create on different systems using Pd-Extended. Is this really true? Because these objects for messages are builtins and if builtins don't work in Pd extended that would be a

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-05 Thread Derek Holzer
Sorry not to be specific. I meant the signal ones. I have replaced all with [expr~]. D. Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Derek Holzer hat gesagt: // Derek Holzer wrote: I have found that using these math functions doesn't always create on different systems using Pd-Extended. Is this really

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-05 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think there a workable solution for the problem of object names that use characters that don't work on all filesystems. For binaries, like ~, they can be linked into a .pd_linux that is loaded as part of the libdir. One part of the libdir plan is to have a shared library that is

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-05 Thread Martin Peach
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: The shell's [] (/usr/bin/test) also has -gt,-lt,-ge,-le,-eq,-ne, which it uses for numeric comparisons, whereas it uses ,,=,=,==,!= for string comparisons. It also needs both by design. Sure, but bash is written in c and it can

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-05 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
--- On Mon, 4/6/09, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote: From: Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca Subject: Re: [PD] , , , || etc To: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Cc: pd list pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, April 6, 2009, 5:50 AM Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 5 Apr

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-04 Thread Martin Peach
Derek Holzer wrote: I have found that using these math functions doesn't always create on different systems using Pd-Extended. Therefore, it makes it difficult to write about them in the FLOSS Manual. How can I insure that they work on every Extended installation, or should I replace them with

Re: [PD] , , , || etc

2009-04-04 Thread Martin Peach
Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2009, Martin Peach wrote: etc...). For instance greaterthan, lessthan, and, or; then some aliasing method could provide a means on those systems that can handle it to refer to them as '' or whatever). Perl uses gt,lt,ge,le,eq,ne as string comparisons

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-19 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
Sounds like a big buffer by default is the best option for the package. Maybe something like 50ms, that should be big enough to cover all but the really heinous hardware. Then docs about setting up for tight timing, limits.conf, -rt, etc. .hc On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:03 PM, Miller Puckette

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-18 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Can anyone make a wiki page about this on http://puredata.org/docs ? It would be quite handy to have. Also, I'd love to hear suggestions how to make this part of

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I am interested in the result rather than how it is implemented. If that was a bad idea, are there any others? I think it is important that the Pd packages work well after installing without having to tweak it,

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-18 Thread hard off
The rlimits approach will soon be common knowledge among all Linux audio users anyway. Not everyone wants to learn about this stuff. Some people just want to install Ubuntu Studio and make music. hans, i am so much on your side here. ..although i'd say: 'some of us just want to

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote: By all I know, Ubuntustudio, Jacklab, Pure:Dyne and 64Studio already have limits.conf set up accordingly. Or actually: I didn't check, so maybe they haven't (except pure:dyne, which has), but it may be worth to take a look at how they

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, hard off hat gesagt: // hard off wrote: The rlimits approach will soon be common knowledge among all Linux audio users anyway. Not everyone wants to learn about this stuff. Some people just want to install Ubuntu Studio and make music. hans, i am so much on your side here.

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-18 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: I've never had stability problems with -rt and use it in all my routine work. My idea is to make my development environment exactly the same as the performance environment to reduce the chance of surprises. However, if you're in

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-14 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Can anyone make a wiki page about this on http://puredata.org/docs ? It would be quite handy to have. Also, I'd love to hear suggestions how to make this part of the Pd- extended package. I think it makes a lot

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-14 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Frank Barknecht wrote: [...] its astonishing, how often we agree... mfga.sdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list

Re: [PD] /etc/security/limits.conf WAS Re: Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc4 released on ubuntu

2007-07-14 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jul 14, 2007, at 2:16 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Can anyone make a wiki page about this on http://puredata.org/docs ? It would be quite handy to have. Also, I'd love to hear suggestions how to make this part of