On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 22:05 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
So, tried other things, and I see it won't be able to deal with
messages including $0 like [qlist]. So the reason must be not
related to [qlist] or [textfile], but the way Pd handles (or doesn't
handle) $0 in messages.
Yes.
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 19:00 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Although I assume I don't think I get the hassle it'd be to do that.
I'm still struggling to see what could be so tricky to make $0
possible to work in messages, sorry :P
The reason is most likely not the difficulty to
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 20:49 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
By the way, haven't been really able to make it work well with
[textfile]. If you get a symbol with $0-symbol from a text file, you
can't use it to work as an address for [send].
Miller proposed to use the new [text] class
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On 2014-04-03 03:05, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
So, tried other things, and I see it won't be able to deal with
messages including $0 like [qlist]. So the reason must be not
related to [qlist] or [textfile], but the way Pd handles (or
On 04/03/2014 04:00 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2014-04-03 03:05, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
[...]
btw: i would probably even recommend to use explicit *connections*
(rather than send/receive pairs) for anything local. then you
* when you run into nameclashes, you know your project
has outgrown Pd and it's time to choose another language
what's a nameclash? (maybe I haven't outgrown Pd yet)
2014-04-03 13:00 GMT-03:00 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com:
On 04/03/2014 04:00 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
Oops, I'll be dammed, but [text] doesn't seem to handle $0 in the same
way.
Although it looks like a super [qlist], giving [text] a $0 for an address
symbol, such as $0-test1, turns it into 0-test1... so no deal for it.
I'm assuming it's not supposed to be something regarding an object design.
For example, if you have two help patches open and each has an array inside it
named array1. One of the help patches will work, and the other won't.
That's because Put menu arrays assume you only have one array by that name.
Pd will use the first one it finds (probably the first one you
thanks for explaining it all
imagine trying to design something like that
which is also backwards compatible with the
crude namespacing tools that already exist in Pd.
It's not possible
ok, here's where I'm a bit confuse. You're not saying it'd be impossible to
make messages inherit the $0
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 16:13 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
thanks for explaining it all
imagine trying to design something like that
which is also backwards compatible with the
crude namespacing tools that already exist in Pd.
It's not possible
ok, here's where I'm a bit
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 12:00 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
* when you run into nameclashes, you know your project has outgrown Pd
and it's time to choose another language
That is a pretty bold statement. I never ever run into name clashes, no
matter how big the project was/is.
The
On 04/03/2014 04:14 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 12:00 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
* when you run into nameclashes, you know your project has outgrown Pd
and it's time to choose another language
That is a pretty bold statement.
It's meant as a shortcut to avoid wasting
Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead
for quite a while by now
I don't think this debate is going lead anywhere
please, cope with my lack of knowledge in computer science/languages
jargons. All I'm doing is asking to learn more about it and get what you
guys mean. I'm not debating,
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 17:33 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So yes, it's rather extreme of me to advise users to just use global
symbols and switch languages when they run into problems. But I think
there's an assumption on this list that most users know enough about
other programming
On 04/03/2014 03:13 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
thanks for explaining it all
imagine trying to design something like that
which is also backwards compatible with the
crude namespacing tools that already exist in Pd.
It's not possible
ok, here's where I'm a bit confuse. You're not
Hi Jonathan, I like it too, and the pedagogical concern is what gets me the
most. I find new users to be reluctant to the clunkiness.
Had never heard of the Nova system, is it available somewhere? Seems it's
not built on the core of Pd anyway, right?
thanks
2014-04-03 19:03 GMT-03:00 Jonathan
On 04/03/2014 05:42 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 17:33 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So yes, it's rather extreme of me to advise users to just use global
symbols and switch languages when they run into problems. But I think
there's an assumption on this list that most users
On 04/03/2014 06:33 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi Jonathan, I like it too, and the pedagogical concern is what gets
me the most. I find new users to be reluctant to the clunkiness.
Had never heard of the Nova system, is it available somewhere? Seems
it's not built on the core of Pd
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 18:32 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead
for quite a while by now
I don't think this debate is going lead anywhere
please, cope with my lack of knowledge in computer science/languages
jargons.
I'm sorry. I
I almost meant that :) you still have to send [text sequence] the values of
the $ variables you want to use (starting with $1). But the ability to
instance-ize sequences is there.
cheers
M
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 08:38:16AM +0200, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Wed, 2014-04-02 at 20:49 -0300,
not confusing, thanks
2014-04-03 19:54 GMT-03:00 Roman Haefeli reduz...@gmail.com:
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 18:32 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Wow, you keep beating that horse after its dead
for quite a while by now
I don't think this debate is going lead anywhere
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 18:41 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
On 04/03/2014 05:42 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Don, 2014-04-03 at 17:33 -0400, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
So yes, it's rather extreme of me to advise users to just use global
symbols and switch languages when they run into problems.
I almost meant that :) you still have to send [text sequence] the values of
the $ variables you want to use (starting with $1). But the ability to
instance-ize sequences is there.
hmmm, are you pointing to a solution where I can send $0 to textfile and
it would generate the number and do the
Yeah - for instance use a [pack] object to get a list of $ substtution
values into [text sequence] - then one of the arguments to [pcak] can be
$0.
cheers
M
On Thu, Apr 03, 2014 at 08:44:02PM -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
I almost meant that :) you still have to send [text sequence] the
On 04/03/2014 07:13 PM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
[...]
Thanks for your remarks. You probably caught me in the act of feeling
comfortable in an actually not so comfortable situation. It's true that
people get accustomed to the environment they grow up in. I've never
challenged myself into thinking
I think I got it, will try as soon as a I can. I have to properly study
this new object first anyway.
If I got it, that looks like a workaround I thought about before, still
thinking of [qlist], like storing all the sequence in the patch and then
send it to [qlist], where I could get the patch $0
HEY, I SEE HOW [text] WORKS NOW
Awesome, you can easily send arguments to it.
Perfect
2014-04-03 20:59 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu:
Yeah - for instance use a [pack] object to get a list of $ substtution
values into [text sequence] - then one of the arguments to [pcak] can be
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 18:54 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi there, I can't get messages from [qlist] to an object with $0. Is
this really a problem?
You can:
[nbx\
|
[t b f]
| \
[pack $0 f]
|
[add 500 $1-bla $2]
|
[qlist]
[r $0-bla]
|
[print]
The thing is you have to expand $0
On Tue, 2014-04-01 at 17:20 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
you might want to see the messages sent by [qlist]
the same as messages in msgboxes,
where you don't have $0-expansion either
Bummer. anyway, this brings me to a different topic then. Why is there
this lack of expansion
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On 2014-04-02 08:57, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 18:54 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi there, I can't get messages from [qlist] to an object with
$0. Is this really a problem?
You can:
[pack $0 f] | [add 500 $1-bla
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On 2014-04-02 09:08, Roman Haefeli wrote:
You're asking for inconsistency:
++
fmsda
IOhannes
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See also the 'text' object in 0.45 that does $ expansion :)
M
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 09:45:56AM +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
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On 2014-04-02 08:57, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Mon, 2014-03-31 at 18:54 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
See also the 'text' object in 0.45 that does $ expansion :)
on it ;)
Now, so it seems, at least [qlist] could be upgarded any time to do the
expansion, right? That wouldn't hurt, would it?
Cheers
2014-04-02 10:26 GMT-03:00 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu:
See also the 'text' object in 0.45
On 04/02/2014 03:08 AM, Roman Haefeli wrote:
On Tue, 2014-04-01 at 17:20 -0300, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
you might want to see the messages sent by [qlist]
the same as messages in msgboxes,
where you don't have $0-expansion either
Bummer. anyway, this brings me to a different topic
On 04/02/2014 05:43 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
See also the 'text' object in 0.45 that does $ expansion :)
on it ;)
Now, so it seems, at least [qlist] could be upgarded any time to do the
expansion, right? That wouldn't hurt, would it?
or you could build your own [qlist] based on
or you could build your own [qlist] based on [text]...
no need to change the old and rusty code of the original [qlist].
I get the workaround, but [qlist] is built for sequencing and simpler for
that (like, it can easily set the tempo), and I still think it wouldn't
hurt to make it more
By the way, haven't been really able to make it work well with [textfile].
If you get a symbol with $0-symbol from a text file, you can't use it to
work as an address for [send].
2014-04-02 19:00 GMT-03:00 Alexandre Torres Porres por...@gmail.com:
or you could build your own [qlist] based on
So, tried other things, and I see it won't be able to deal with messages
including $0 like [qlist]. So the reason must be not related to [qlist]
or [textfile], but the way Pd handles (or doesn't handle) $0 in messages.
The only workaround is to forcely insert $0 with [makefilename], but then
all
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On 2014-03-31 23:54, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:
Hi there, I can't get messages from [qlist] to an object with $0.
Is this really a problem?
yes (at least: yes, i expect that to make problems; you might want to
see the messages sent by [qlist]
you might want to see the messages sent by [qlist]
the same as messages in msgboxes,
where you don't have $0-expansion either
Bummer. anyway, this brings me to a different topic then. Why is there this
lack of expansion in messages?
I think I've raised this issue sometime ago. Sorry I don't
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