Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-10 Thread Luke Iannini
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:09 PM, Philip Potter philip.g.pot...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: so we need :someone to manage the system, ok, but then I see that this problem is kinda well solved, right? But how do you all see the writting of articles? Is it

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread marius schebella
hi dmotd, your post is great, it reminded me of all the ideas I had before starting pdpedia. my main motivation for working on a pd(pedia) object database/documentation was to help users (including myself) find the right object for their purpose and help developers by preventing redundancy in

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread dmotd
yes, i agree that pdpedia/mediawiki has its place, however it is another resource for documentation that is currently competing with the plone wiki reference at puredata.org. This means that we have two distinct references, both apparently supported by the 'pd community', and frankly this just

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread Frank Barknecht
Hallo, dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: i am not at all convinced that pdpedia/mediawiki serves as a good method for object reference. it is difficult to maintain (a lot of manual copy and paste), its search/sort functionality is limited, the up/down stream api is severely lacking and

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread marius schebella
2009/4/9 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org: Hallo, dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: i am not at all convinced that pdpedia/mediawiki serves as a good method for object reference. it is difficult to maintain (a lot of manual copy and paste), its search/sort functionality is limited, the

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread dmotd
hey marius, okay, well i think we're on the same page here, what you describe and what's in my head seem to be somewhat aligned. i have a little bit of time spare at present and a fair bit of experience developing web based content management systems, so hopefully these ideas could gather a

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread dmotd
On Thursday 09 April 2009 23:55:11 marius schebella wrote: 2009/4/9 Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org: Hallo, dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: i am not at all convinced that pdpedia/mediawiki serves as a good method for object reference. it is difficult to maintain (a lot of manual

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread dmotd
On Thursday 09 April 2009 23:14:28 Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, dmotd hat gesagt: // dmotd wrote: i am not at all convinced that pdpedia/mediawiki serves as a good method for object reference. it is difficult to maintain (a lot of manual copy and paste), its search/sort functionality

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread Alexandre Porres
well, to host a convention here is definately and effort to put S.America in the game. What you are discussing feels to me like one of the best issues to raise up in Round Tables. Actually, Round tables were said to be proposed here on the list, so lets talk about this more later on. I am up

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-09 Thread dmotd
sorry, i meant wiki as a shorthand for software revision control, so that there is a trace history of edits and the database can be exported at a given revision. interesting ideas however, i admit i'm not completely familiar with the JSON format, but i do understand the basis behind this

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
There are lots of good ideas worth trying. We've talked about it a lot, we just need someone to take charge of it. I am just too overloaded to handle pdpedia on top of everything else. Who wants to own it? .hc On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Jean-Noël Montagné wrote: It would be

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-08 Thread dmotd
hi folks, i am somewhat interested in investing some time in pdpedia, but i have a few concerns with mediawiki as a container for pd related data. obviously mediawiki is an excellent versioning platform and has a strong following for many technical wiki's in the open-source community. i

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-08 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I don't think that pdpedia is a replacement or substitute for interactive help patches. But mediawiki is a great tool for getting lots of bits of information from a lot of people. So I think that pdpedia could be used as a place to orgnanize content, like reference info, links to

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-01 Thread Jean-Noël Montagné
It would be good to have standards on how articles should be formatted and what kind of information should be presented. yes I agree. At the origin in 2006..., I have suggested to some french PDers the following features:

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-04-01 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Alexandre Porres wrote: Do we want pdpedia to just be a reference manual of objects? I think it is a good start. To have a list of Every Object out there, and make clear which are written, and the ones who are not. does this mean that you want to make a reference manual of Every Object, no

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! afaik, pdpedia is poorly maintained at the moment. I think there will be a better solution in the future to get rid of spam and optimize searching and contributions. for now, your observation of burnout seems correct. marius. I think pdpedia has a lot of potential, but it needs

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread Philip Potter
2009/3/31 Georg Holzmann g...@mur.at: Hallo! afaik, pdpedia is poorly maintained at the moment. I think there will be a better solution in the future to get rid of spam and optimize searching and contributions. for now, your observation of burnout seems correct. marius. I think pdpedia has

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread Alexandre Porres
Hi, welll, so someone needs to take over? I would definately be interested on this. I do, nevertheless, feel I bit clueless as I dont know the way to the source of all objects. And cant really be an expert on things other than audio/music. I also consider rather unfair to be the work of only one

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread marius schebella
the someone would be in charge of the server space and the maintainance of the mediawiki (accounts, updates, spam, search functionality, synchronization with other documentations). this could also be done by several people, but usually the responsibility is with one person. all the rest can easily

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread olsen wolf
the server space the maintenance is currently done by claudio the sys-admin at the school here in zürich where the wiki is hostet atm. so far he's been trying to maintain it as much as possible - sometimes certain request take more time - queuing up on other things that need to be done. but so

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread Philip Potter
2009/3/31 olsen wolf sesselastron...@googlemail.com: the server space the maintenance is currently done by claudio the sys-admin at the school here in zürich where the wiki is hostet atm. so far he's been trying to maintain it as much as possible - sometimes certain request take more time -

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread Georg Holzmann
Hallo! I don't know what you mean by clean it up by hand but if you just mean users deleting spam edits then this is not sustainable. The spam edits are automated and so they will win any editwar. To combat spam, +1 we need something systematic: block the spam IPs, use MediaWiki Spam

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-31 Thread Philip Potter
2009/3/31 Alexandre Porres por...@gmail.com: so we need :someone to manage the system, ok, but then I see that this problem is kinda well solved, right? But how do you all see the writting of articles? Is it growing out well? I believe someone could also direct how things are going, and that a

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-30 Thread marius schebella
Philip Potter wrote: Hi all, First post to the list, very new to pd, hello to all. I have a few questions: 1) Is pdpedia a serious project? It seems like there was a lot of activity some time ago, but the people there got burned out and now is a target for spammers (particularly the myobject

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-30 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
On Mon, 30 Mar 2009, Philip Potter wrote: 3) Someone mentioned on the list a [pack 0 0 0 0 0] idiom for building large trees of maths in order to avoid weaving many [t b f] objects to cold inlets. How does this idiom work? It doesn't eliminate the [t b f], it makes them more manageable. it's

Re: [PD] Pdpedia and random generation

2009-03-30 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 30, 2009, at 5:46 PM, marius schebella wrote: Philip Potter wrote: Hi all, First post to the list, very new to pd, hello to all. I have a few questions: 1) Is pdpedia a serious project? It seems like there was a lot of activity some time ago, but the people there got burned out and